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Review: Apple's mid-2014 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display

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While it's not a particularly exciting update, Apple's mid-2014 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display increases performance and offers more value, making it an enticing offer for those who may have been waiting to take the plunge on a thin-but-powerful high-resolution notebook.




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For our review, we opted to test the entry-level 13-inch model (model no. MGX72LL/A), featuring a 2.6 gigahertz processor, 8 gigabytes of RAM, Intel Iris integrated graphics, and 128 gigabytes of PCIe-based flash storage. This specific model represents arguably the greatest boost over the previous generation in Apple's 2014 refresh, as the company upped the value by doubling the included RAM and packing in a slightly faster dual-core Intel Core i5 processor, all while maintaining the same $1,299 entry price.

As part of Apple's mid-2014 refresh of the 13-inch models, customers can pay another $200 and get a 2.6-gigahertz dual-core Intel Core i5 processor with the same RAM and double the flash storage to 256 gigabytes. And a 2.8-gigahertz Core i5 with 512 gigabytes of flash memory starts at $1,799, with build-to-order options boosting processor and memory available.




And as always, those looking for more horsepower than the 13-inch models provide should consider Apple's 15-inch MacBook Pros, which were also recently updated to the latest Intel Haswell processors. The 15-inch notebooks start with 16 gigabytes of RAM, and users must upgrade to the larger form factor if they want to add a more powerful, dedicated Nvidia graphics card.

For comparison, last year we also took a look at the entry-level $1,299 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display. While the entry price had been reduced in 2013, Apple achieved that by offering just 4 gigabytes of RAM. Now in 2014, Apple is back where it started in 2012: 8 gigabytes of RAM, standard, but with a lower price.




Apple's new Macs all ship with with Mavericks, the company's latest OS X operating system, as well as free copies of the iLife and iWork suites. Because Apple's next-generation system, OS X Yosemite, remains in beta and does not ship with new Macs, we did not test it for this review.

Design



This year's update features the same great unibody chassis as last year. That means it's still slightly thinner than the 2012 model, coming in at 0.71-inch thick.




The 2014 MacBook Pro update carries the same 3.46-pound weight and has the same high-resolution 13-inch Retina display, which outputs a native 2,560-by-1,600 pixel picture, with a resolution desnity of 227 pixels per inch.

Ports on the outside also remain unchanged: The left side is home to a MagSafe 2 charging port, two Thunderbolt 2 inputs, a USB 3.0 port, 3.5 millimeter headphone jack, and two microphone holes. The right side has another USB 3.0 port, an HDMI out, and a full-size SD card slot.




As with last year, Apple's 13-inch model features the exact same ports found on the larger 15-inch model, so users who opt for the smaller form factor won't miss out on any connectivity.

Apple's standard island-style backlit keys and industry-leading glass Trackpad also remain untouched.

In short: The design is unchanged, and it's still great.




Performance



The mid-2014 13-inch MacBook Pro shows mild but noteworthy performance increases over last year's model. The new processor is 0.2 gigahertz faster than the 2013 variant, using the same underlying architecture but offering identical battery life.

We ran the latest entry-level model through a free 32-bit Geekbench test and found a single-core score of 2,865, besting last year's 2,597. The multi-core test also showed improvement from 5,587 to this year's new score of 5,975.




In the Novabench test, we also found that the RAM performance was improved over last year, with a speed rated at 8,351 megabytes per second. Last year's 4-gigabyte model that we tested had a slower RAM speed of 7,869 megabytes per second.

Unsurprisingly, graphics performance was essentially the same across NovaBench, Unigine Heaven and Cinebench. The new MacBook Pro uses the same Intel Iris graphics as last year's model, and the results were on par, and in many cases identical.




Strangely, in the Unigine Heaven ultra stress-test, the software reported that the Intel Iris GPU was only providing 256 megabytes of virtual RAM. Considering the scores were largely identical with last year's model, and our system's preferences indicated that up to 1.5 gigabytes should be assigned dynamically by OS X Mavericks, we presume this was simply misreported by the application.

And for a direct comparison to our tests from last year, we ran an older version of Cinebench, while also running the latest "R15" model. Scores for both are included in the chart seen above.




Finally, NovaBench also showed that the flash drive's write speeds on this year's model were essentially identical to last year's.

In terms of battery life, Apple has rated the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display at up to nine hours of wireless web, up to 9 hours of iTunes movie playback, and up to 30 days standby time. In our tests, the MacBook Pro could easily get through a full workday as advertised. In a more extreme battery test, streaming YouTube videos at maximum brightness, the notebook made it over six hours before shutting off.

Conclusion



With the positives unchanged, but better performance and value than last year's excellent model, we have no problem recommending the mid-2014 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display. Frankly, in a professional-grade machine, 8 gigabytes of RAM should be standard, and we're happy that Apple met that mark without raising the price.

If you already have a 2013 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display, we see no reason to upgrade here. The clock speed on the new processor is indeed faster, but you won't notice any more zip in day-to-day use without running benchmark tests to prove it.

Owners of the very first 13-inch Retina model from 2012 should probably also wait. While the jump to Intel's Haswell processors did boost performance and battery life and make this an enticing machine, an even more significant upgrade is likely coming next year with the company's next-generation Broadwell chips.




Since all of the 13-inch models from 2012 came with 8 gigabyte of RAM standard, the upgrade potential here is also lessened for most prospective buyers.

But if you're still running a legacy MacBook Pro, or you're looking to slim down from a bulkier 15-inch model, or you want to transition to more power from a MacBook Air, or you are entirely new to the Mac family, this is as good of a time as any to pull the trigger and opt for the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display.

Buyers in the market for this size and level of horsepower won't be disappointed. The build is best in class, the performance is excellent, and the features and built-in software are exactly what you buy a Mac for. And with OS X Yosemite coming this fall as a free upgrade, your new Mac will gain even more functionality.




Finally, if you're ready to buy a MacBook Pro with Retina display but can't decide between the 13- and 15-inch models, it's simply a matter of power versus portability. The svelte form factor of the 13-inch model is ideal, and if you can get by without a dedicated graphics card, it's an easy recommendation.

If you need more pixel pushing power, or like to game occasionally, the 15-inch model --?along with the optional Nvidia GPU upgrade?--?are probably a better bet. And in terms of what you're paying for, while this year's 13-inch model is a better value than last year, we still see the greatest dollar-to-performance ratio in the 15-inch MacBook Pro.

But many professional users simply don't need that much performance or screen size, and they don't want the added bulk. Road warriors looking to maintain some portability will come away pleased --?the 13-inch MacBook Pro with Retina display hits a specific and ideal mix of size, performance and style.

Score: 4 out of 5



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Pros:



  • 4 more gigabytes of RAM at the same entry price
  • Faster CPU
  • Same great design


Cons:



  • Still no discrete graphics option
  • 15-inch still offers more performance for your buck, albeit with more bulk


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Readers looking to purchase a mid-2014 MacBook Pro can take a look at our Price Guides to find the lowest possible prices. Through partnerships with some of Apple's largest Authorized Resellers, AppleInsider is proud to offer the industry's best pricing on MacBook Pros, MacBook Airs, and virtually all other Macs Apple offers.

As of press time, several resellers are selling the $1,299 entry-level 13" MacBook Pro we tested (model no. MGX72LL/A) for $1,234.99, including B&H Photo, which throws in your choice of either a free copy of Parallel's Desktop for Mac or a 1-year subscription to LoJack for Laptops. You can also save another $69 by bundling a discounted 3-Year AppleCare Extended Protection Plan with this Mac from B&H by selecting it from the "Protections Plans" drop down menu. The two together price out to $1,414.98 -- a savings of $133 off Apple's price for the bundle, and the lowest price for this Mac with AppleCare anywhere by $32, according to our Macs + AppleCare Price Guide. And as long as you do not live in NY state, B&H won't collect any sales tax on your order, which will add roughly another $100 in savings for a combined savings of over $233.

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Another cost saving option is to consider a handful of closeout specials on the 2013 MacBook Pros that remain in Apple's sales channel, given that these models are nearly identical in architecture and performance to the models released in 2014.

For additional offers, models and tax-saving options, check out or Price Guide insert below or jump over to the full Price Guides. Also, if you're planning to upgrade but don't have a plan for your existing MacBook, consider selling it to one of the top-tier buyback services for some cash, which you can then use to offset the cost of your new MacBook Pro.
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I got the previous edition, 2.3GHz 16GB RMBP 15, and it's the nicest laptop that I've ever owned. I only have two complaints about the machine: I wish that it had one more USB port, and it is useable but uncomfortable in economy seats in airplanes (not sure what Apple can do about the latter). Surprisingly though, it's not uncomfortable to lug around.

Otherwise, it's everything that I could want - great battery life, fast as heck and buttery smooth. I wish that Apple would make the 13" match the 15" in specs, because the 13" feels quite underpowered in comparison.
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A "review".....which also includes prices and exclusive deals?

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A "review".....which also includes prices and exclusive deals?

 

Gotta get that MacMall plug in! Wouldn't be an article with MacMall around it somewhere. Who the hell would order from MacMall anyways?

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An Apple product reviewed on this site.

A refreshing change from the random hardware you guys 'review'.

I'd add a smiley, but the images are currently all broken links. :no:

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Gotta get that MacMall plug in! Wouldn't be an article with MacMall around it somewhere. Who the hell would order from MacMall anyways?

They can at least report on whether users of these machines have experienced any problems or if they require any firmware updates since they've been in the wild for about a half-year.

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[...] While the entry price had been reduced in 2013
 

 

Grammar error in the article. The price "was" reduced, not "had been" reduced.

 

The word "had" has enjoyed an incredibly surge in popularity in the last couple years. More and more writers are using it superfluously and incorrectly.

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I'd add a smiley, but the images are currently all broken links. :no:

 

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Grammar error in the article. The price "was" reduced, not "had been" reduced.

The word "had" has enjoyed an incredibly surge in popularity in the last couple years. More and more writers are using it superfluously and incorrectly.

Had been sounds better because the price reduction is still in effect.

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Grammar error in the article. The price "was" reduced, not "had been" reduced.

The word "had" has enjoyed an incredibly surge in popularity in the last couple years. More and more writers are using it superfluously and incorrectly.

Had been sounds better because the price reduction is still in effect.
 

Not to mention that language neither is nor was,

nor ever has been, a static proposition.

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Not to mention that language neither is nor was,

nor ever has been, a static proposition.

 

Of course not, but rules of grammar don't change overnight and definitions of tense modifiers don't change at all.

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Had been sounds better because the price reduction is still in effect.
 

 

First, I think that page says the opposite of your interpretation.

 

Second, the answers are from forum users, not necessarily anyone who really knows, and are thus somewhat less than authoritative. The contributors might be right, but I'd probably hesitate before putting money on random, anonymous opinions.

 

Third, the context is different.

 

"Had been" suggests that a condition existed for a while and now doesn't.

 

But of course, ANYTHING posted on this site is subject to argument.

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Grammar error in the article. The price "was" reduced, not "had been" reduced.

 

The word "had" has enjoyed an incredibly surge in popularity in the last couple years. More and more writers are using it superfluously and incorrectly.

Hey be grateful you don't have to hear / read "do the needful" like 20 times a day ...!!

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[...] While the entry price had been reduced in 2013
 

 

Grammar error in the article. The price "was" reduced, not "had been" reduced.

 

The word "had" has enjoyed an incredibly surge in popularity in the last couple years. More and more writers are using it superfluously and incorrectly.

 

Had you not been incorrect, I wouldn't correct you, but you were, so I will.

 

'Had been' is fine; they could have used 'was' too, had they so wished.


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I'd add a smiley, but the images are currently all broken links. :no:

 

Speaking of which, next time AI has to reboot the forums could you turn on avatars and allow users to edit their user title themselves? There’s already an option to turn off signatures/avatars for those who don’t want to see them, but for those of us who do...

 

For the past two weeks or so, I have found AI incredibly slow to use on my iPad, to the point of being impractical. It's a bit better on my iPhone and fine on my iMac. Maybe it's due to the ads, but I feel there's another reason. Seems as though they've made some changes, as the funny faces don't work.

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An Apple product reviewed on this site.
A refreshing change from the random hardware you guys 'review'.
I'd add a smiley, but the images are currently all broken links. 1oyvey.gif

It sure is, unfortunaly most MacBook reviews are very boring, it's faster, the end.
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For the past two weeks or so, I have found AI incredibly slow to use on my iPad, to the point of being impractical. It's a bit better on my iPhone and fine on my iMac. Maybe it's due to the ads, but I feel there's another reason. Seems as though they've made some changes, as the funny faces don't work.

Use Opera, it's faster. Ironically my Nexus 10 and Kindle HDX is a lot quicker with AppleInsider.
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For the past two weeks or so, I have found AI incredibly slow to use on my iPad, to the point of being impractical. It's a bit better on my iPhone and fine on my iMac. Maybe it's due to the ads, but I feel there's another reason. Seems as though they've made some changes, as the funny faces don't work.

Use Opera, it's faster. Ironically my Nexus 10 and Kindle HDX is a lot quicker with AppleInsider.

 

I’ll give it a go, thanks. It's an iPad 2, so pretty venerable; still, AI was fine until recently.

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'Had been' is fine

 

No, it isn't.

 

Many people all doing something the wrong way doesn't alter the definition to make it the right way.

 

Next you'll tell me that saying "begs the question" is synonymous with "leads one to ask."

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'Had been' is fine

 

No, it isn't.

 

Many people all doing something the wrong way doesn't alter the definition to make it the right way.

 

Next you'll tell me that saying "begs the question" is synonymous with "leads one to ask."

 

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree, let bygones be bygones and let sleeping dogs lie.

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Wow. Thought I was on reddit.

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Wow. Thought I was on reddit.

 

Nope; this is AppleInsider. 

 

Type 'reddit' into a search engine on a website like Yahoo! or Bing and it will help you to find the site you are looking for. Hope that helps.

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Seems as though they've made some changes, as the funny faces don't work.

 

Yeah, that's terrible!

 

Smilies are an important tool in my arsenal, and I hope that they fix them soon again.

 

I guess that people could always link to outside smilies, but that's too much work to be bothered with.

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Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree, let bygones be bygones and let sleeping dogs lie.

 

Nope. I do not agree to disagree. It's not a matter of opinion or interpretation. The author made a mistake.

 

I liked the rest of the review though. Uncommonly frank and unbiased.

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Many people all doing something the wrong way doesn't alter the definition to make it the right way.

The only thing wrong I see in this thread is trying to assert how you think English, of all languages should work. The goal should be for better communication and I had no problem understanding what was written. If you didn't understand it then you can see it's not as good as it should be but you can't assert it's wrong outside of a narrow scope of an individuals specific desires. Language is probably the only thing that can keep up with the speed CE technology evolution.

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Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree, let bygones be bygones and let sleeping dogs lie.

Nope. I do not agree to disagree. It's not a matter of opinion or interpretation. The author made a mistake.

I liked the rest of the review though. Uncommonly frank and unbiased.

Frankly, you're wrong.

The author didn't make a mistake; you did.

As you're so keen to point out grammatical errors, here's one for you: you need a comma before 'though' in your sentence above.

Now that we've seen that your criticism of the author's grammar comes from a place of baseless authority, it would be wise of you to pipe down on matters pertaining to the English language.
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Seems as though they've made some changes, as the funny faces don't work.

Yeah, that's terrible!

Smilies are an important tool in my arsenal, and I hope that they fix them soon again.

I guess that people could always link to outside smilies, but that's too much work to be bothered with.

You know that emoji are built into iOS; you just have to add the keyboard in settings. They are also built into Mac OS X; they're under Character Viewer.
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Grammar error in the article. The price "was" reduced, not "had been" reduced.

The word "had" has enjoyed an incredibly surge in popularity in the last couple years. More and more writers are using it superfluously and incorrectly.
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The only thing wrong I see in this thread is trying to assert how you think English, of all languages should work.

 

Oh fer cryin' out loud, it's got nothing to do with what *I* think! I didn't write the freakin' language.

 

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The goal should be for better communication and I had no problem understanding what was written.

 

As a proponent of clear communication I would have expected you to support everyone using the same words to mean the same thing, and following the guidelines established to make sure we all know what other people mean. They have a name for that: rules of grammar.


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You know that emoji are built into iOS; you just have to add the keyboard in settings. They are also built into Mac OS X; they're under Character Viewer.

 

If you use the emoji keyboard in iOS to insert a smiley in a post here, what will the reader see?

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You know that emoji are built into iOS; you just have to add the keyboard in settings. They are also built into Mac OS X; they're under Character Viewer.

If you use the emoji keyboard in iOS to insert a smiley in a post here, what will the reader see?

Glad to see the offensive part of your post has gone, now I've reported it. Try not to insult people directly here, or you may get the post deleted or yourself banned.

As to your question—the reader will see what he chooses to see.

Be good. 🙏
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Had you not been incorrect, I wouldn't correct you, but you were, so I will.

 

'Had been' is fine; they could have used 'was' too, had they so wished.

"had been" is past perfect continuous

"Was" is just simple past (i think always passive, but maybe not?)

 

They are different.  Past perfect continuous generally is used to for something that happened BEFORE something else that also happened in the past:


I had been waiting for someone when she arrived

 

I agree with Lorin about the phrase "the price had been reduced to XX." would be more by the book if it used simply "was," but I probably wouldn't have noticed if the Lorin didn't bring it up.  (cf "the price had been reduced to XX before they raised it to XX)

 

I find it comical that people are getting on someone for his "interpretation" of language.  Have people read this site?  I remember fondly the matte screen debate days

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Glad to see the offensive part of your post has gone, now I've reported it. Try not to insult people directly here, or you may get the post deleted or yourself banned.

 

I didn't know you reported it. I decided on my own to remove it five minutes after I posted it. I figured it wasn't worth arguing with people who shoot the messenger.

 

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As to your question—the reader will see what he chooses to see.

Be good. 🙏

 

Interesting. When viewed in Internet Explorer it's a different image -- a little black & white guy's face with the hands -- but obviously close enough. Good tip!


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Glad to see the offensive part of your post has gone

 

By the way, I didn't think what I wrote and subsequently removed was offensive at all. That wasn't why I removed it.

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Grammar error in the article. The price "was" reduced, not "had been" reduced.

 

The word "had" has enjoyed an incredibly surge in popularity in the last couple years. More and more writers are using it superfluously and incorrectly.

 

 

As this thread seems to be primarily focused on language due to this post, it would only be logical to follow suit and point out there is an error in this post.

 

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The word "had" has enjoyed an incredibly surge in popularity in the last couple years. More and more writers are using it superfluously and incorrectly.

 

The underlined part in red should read: "incredible surge."  


Edited by Bergermeister - 8/24/14 at 10:14pm

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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You wrote:

The word "had" has enjoyed an incredibly surge in popularity in the last couple years. More and more writers are using it superfluously and incorrectly.

 

The underlined part in red should read: "incredible surge."  

 

Yes, thank you. Typographical error. Had I noticed, I would have known it was wrong. I need a proof reader.

 

Speaking of that, it sometimes feels like I have to fight with the auto-correct on this forum. It often substitutes a word I didn't intend. Anyone else having that problem?

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A "review".....which also includes prices and exclusive deals?

Gotta get that MacMall plug in! Wouldn't be an article with MacMall around it somewhere. Who the hell would order from MacMall anyways?

I order from MaMall and have never had an issue with doing so. I've ordered hardware and software from there since the 1980s without a problem. MacMall staff can easily supply answers as well... not just a bunch of order takers. I don't know what your problem is. It's a good company.
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You wrote:
The word "had" has enjoyed an incredibly surge in popularity in the last couple years. More and more writers are using it superfluously and incorrectly.

The underlined part in red should read: "incredible surge."  

Yes, thank you. Typographical error. Had I noticed, I would have known it was wrong. I need a proof reader.

Speaking of that, it sometimes feels like I have to fight with the auto-correct on this forum. It often substitutes a word I didn't intend. Anyone else having that problem?

No problem here. You need to have a talk with your fingers. :-)
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Yes, thank you. Typographical error. Had I noticed, I would have known it was wrong. I need a proof reader.

 

Speaking of that, it sometimes feels like I have to fight with the auto-correct on this forum. It often substitutes a word I didn't intend. Anyone else having that problem?

 

 

I don't know about the auto-correct here at AI, but I know that my Mac tries to auto-correct everything I type into British English spellings.  I have to go back and fix them.  Things like "colour" instead of "color."  I have nothing against British English, but I use American English and hope the spellings follow suit.

 

Edit: the prefs were set at "automatic by language" so I changed that to "U.S. English."  Hopefully that will help!

 

System Prefs >> Keyboard >> Text


Edited by Bergermeister - 8/24/14 at 10:39pm

 

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

 

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

 

 

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You need to have a talk with your fingers. :-)

 

They don't listen. They've seen that my mouth gets away with ignoring what my brain tells it to do, and now they're incorrigible.

 

I don't dare put my hands in my pockets. Or worse, anyone else's pockets.

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