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NEWSFLASH: the iPad isn't a laptop. You're still allowed to use both.

 
Do you suffer from ADHD? Apparently any post longer than a few words leaves you completely confusded. It was the post I was replying to that suggested that a larger iPad might be an attempted replacement for a notebook. I'm pretty sure the original poster was expressing doubts  and I'm certain I was not advocating such a strategy, so yes, if you want an iPad buy one, but not to replace a notebook. As far as your other insults are concerned it only demonstrates that you have no wit, no cleverness, no class, and no intelligence. Keep it up Ben you are making more and more  friends and allies with every post. Again you have no idea who you are calling names and insulting. 

Lol! Your self-righteousness is too much. I guess your problem is that once you get on a horse that high, you can't get off.
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I'd buy one right away!

To the people saying that this is useless. No it's not. Your comment is what's useless and you are dead wrong.

Plenty of people will buy an iPad 12.9". I already have the mini and the retina, so bring on the iPad Pro or whatever the hell it's going to be called! 

A lot of the things that people do on an iPad would be enhanced and become more enjoyable by having a larger display. 

I don't give a crap if it costs $1000 to start, make it powerful, make it extra large and make it sexy! Tons of people will be buying the 12.9" iPad!
You buy anything released by Apple, Inc. and then try to come up with ridiculous excuses as you why you think something would be so popular, but you are wrong most of the time.  The iPad mini outsold the iPad because people wanted a tablet that was smaller and lighter, not larger and heavier.  Suddenly the iPad Air was based off the mini to make it smaller and lighter because that is what a tablet should be.  An iPad 12.9" would be too large and too heavy, and that is not the way Apple works.  This rumor is probably based off the rumor of a MacBook Air 12" to replace the 11" and 13" models.  Most people would give a crap if an oversized tablet cost $1,000 to start, which in Apple terms is a 16GB iPad.  Apple likes to retain the same resolution for all iPads to make app development easier.  (The original iPad is on its way out soon enough and the iPad 2 is already gone).  If Apple retained the same resolution for a 12.9" display, the pixel density would drop below 300 and they would not be able to call it a "retina" display.  If they come up with another resolution, then app developers would have to re-write their apps again.

You have no proof that the iPad mini outsold the large iPad, as Apple have never released figures.

The iPad 2 is still supported in iOS 8, which is pretty amazing—that's at least four years of OS updates. How many Android tablets from 2011 will be supported in 2015?

Your comments about the iPad Air being reduced in weight because of the iPad mini make no sense. Apple were always going to reduce the weight and thickness of the iPad, regardless of the mini. Apple created a unified design for both models. If Apple can get a 13" iPad close to 1.5 lbs, the weight of the iPad 2, that would be acceptable for most people, I am sure.
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I'm waiting for sog35 to say how this proves there will be a 5.5" iPhone.

I wouldn't be surprised if by now he says it in his sleep.
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Lol! Your self-righteousness is too much. I guess your problem is that once you get on a horse that high, you can't get off.

You talk big but I bet you live in a tiny little room with your squirming little thoughts, wishing that you had some friends or respect. It is so clear even sog can see it.

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Lol! Your self-righteousness is too much. I guess your problem is that once you get on a horse that high, you can't get off.
You talk big but I bet you live in a tiny little room with your squirming little thoughts, wishing that you had some friends or respect. It is so clear even sog can see it.

You're reduced to such pettiness?

Grow up.
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At this point there is zero communication between you two that is moving the conversation forward and I don't think that's possible now for this thread.

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You're reduced to such pettiness?

Grow up.

Ha ha!.

 

Why do we know nothing about you, especially compared to the transparency of the long time posters.

 

Soli: entrepreneur and network admin

Mel: advertising agency, media expert

Digitalclips: entrepreneur computer sales, video expert

Lorin: Audio engineer

Gator: digital printing and technology expert

Dick: Apple authorized retail store, IBM and other

mstone: medical software engineer and entrepreneur

 

I'm not forgetting anyone...there are just many, many others who have shared their expertise

 

Let's see what you have. What is your story? Inquiring minds want to know.

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But I'm willing to listen to what others think the advantage might be-

 

One right off the top of my head would be touch controller for desktop apps -- a touchpad on steroids. It could serve the role of second monitor for floating toolbars and inspector windows with the benefit of being controlled by touch with the free hand. Making it bigger makes it easier to select a specific tool or entry field. The existing iPad is already often used to present virtual faders for mixing sound -- a bigger screen would be even better for that application.

 

Then there's video editing. With tools, bins, video display(s) and timeline, a video edit session is a pretty screen-intensive space. Trying to select a point with a fat finger and make out details in a quarter-screen video window can be a challenge. Those who are inclined to subject themselves to editing on a tablet rather than a laptop, for reasons I don't begin to understand, would be better served by a larger display. The resolution wouldn't even have to increase -- just being physically bigger would solve the most serious "interface" issues.


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Gimme 1TB of Storage for our massive files, including 3-D walk thru models....

 

Does an iPad have sufficient graphics horsepower for applications like this?

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I just can't see this happening.  If you need larger than the iPad Air, why not just buy a MBA?

We've had seven years to get the point of the multitouch interface. Four years to get the point of making it larger than the iPhone or iPod touch. Three years to figure out that even a mini form factor can be a more popular piece of responsive glass in your hands. An even larger piece of interactive glass than the iPad in your hands or in your lap will also be screamingly popular, making a fool of those who said "it's just a big" this or that.

That there is no keyboard in the way is also the whole point. Mind your form factors. They are everything, and the reason that Apple gets it and Microsoft doesn't.
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That there is no keyboard in the way is also the whole point. Mind your form factors. They are everything, and the reason that Apple gets it and Microsoft doesn't.

I have yet to be convinced that a fat finger is superior to a pixel perfect mouse pointer. Touch is a mobile convenience not the the future of computing.

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I have yet to be convinced that a fat finger is superior to a pixel perfect mouse pointer. Touch is a mobile convenience not the the future of computing.

That's exactly right. If you need precision, you use a mouse or a trackpad, a desktop or a laptop, in other words. If you need or want to be on a computer at any or all times, including standing in line or sitting just about anywhere, then the tablet is a great liberator.

But I think it's more than a convenience. It means you can use hours more a day learning things, which to me is the whole point of this technology. Well, plus a little more communication.

Still the point is use cases matched with form factors. This is what Steve Jobs was so good at, and the primary lesson we can learn from Apple, and which other companies still don't always get. Even Apple misses once in a while.
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You buy anything released by Apple, Inc. and then try to come up with ridiculous excuses as you why you think something would be so popular, but you are wrong most of the time.  

 

That is clearly a false and delusional statement.

 

I do not buy anything released by Apple, as there are quite a few Apple products that I do not own.

 

And no, I am not wrong most of the time, I am more often correct than not. My post history speaks for itself.

 

As a matter of fact, I will bet that you are dead wrong, and that I am 100% correct on this topic. The iPad Pro would be great, and would also be a success, if it were to be released.

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I have yet to be convinced that a fat finger is superior to a pixel perfect mouse pointer. Touch is a mobile convenience not the the future of computing.

 

I was using a painting app on the iPad recently, and I get pixel perfect precision using my fingers. 

 

I like how you can keep zooming in and out while painting, and the more you zoom, the greater the precision becomes.

 

I haven't even touched a mouse in years. Mice are obsolete as far as I'm concerned. When I use OS X, I use magic trackpads.

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Does an iPad have sufficient graphics horsepower for applications like this?

 

Why not? The A8 is going to make the Xbone and PS4 look over their shoulders nervously. They’re pathetic when compared to a PC, but ARM is progressing faster than nVidia and ATI can crank out GPUs.

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I deleted my post.


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I predict Apple starts to use S-M-L-XL for their device lines, from phone to tablets to laptops... if they keep expanding the product line, it makes sense to help simplify how to differentiate and market their products. Different sizes for different people, different lives and different thinking.

Besides, it would be a cool insider joke on the Rem Koolhaas and Bruce Mau S-M-L-XL book.

 

From a previous post of mine:

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This year the iPhone…

  • 4 will be dropped entirely.
  • 4S (3.5") with 4GB storage replaces the 4 as the "developing markets" phone.
  • 5C (4.0") will continue with Touch ID and two new patterned backsides - flowers and blue with white polka dots.
  • 5S (4.0") will continue with minor updates.
  • 6 (4.7") as rumored.
  • 6L (5.5") as rumored.

 

Next year the iPhone…

  • 6S (4.0") will have  performance and feature upgrades in the same style as the original 6 and replace both the 4 and 5 series.
  • 6M (4.7") will have performance and feature upgrades and replace the 6.
  • 6L (5.5") will continue with minor performance and feature upgrades.
  • The entire iPad line will get cell phone capability and get the designations XL, XXL, and XXXL.​ (emphasis added)

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I have yet to be convinced that a fat finger is superior to a pixel perfect mouse pointer. Touch is a mobile convenience not the the future of computing.

No surprise to see you spouting complete nonsense once again.

Touch is the future of computing and it's already arrived. The desktop was reduced to a truck some while ago. For most people, their iPhone and iPad are their main or only computers, Tim Cook included.

As to your redundant 'fat fingers' reference: if you're struggling with a touch-screen, lose some weight.

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we have a mini....

So would this be a MAXI....Ipad...

MaxIpad?

flashbacks of the original iPad release

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I would LOVE a large iPad. I have a mini for browsing, reading some books, apps, etc (Pinterest is far better on an iPad than the computer, IMO), and I would definitely get the large one to complement it. No, it wouldn't replace my 13" Macbook Pro, but I wouldn't want it to. It would be perfect for drawing (I love the Paper app and they sell a great stylus that they say will be pressure responsive when iOS 8 comes out), and I'd read magazines and put cookbooks with lots of photos on it. It would be awesome for textbooks and taking notes/drawing all over PDFs in OneNote. That would be perfect for students. I could think of a lot of ways to use it, so I hope it becomes a reality.

 

Yes, I have cookbooks/magazines on my Mini, but the bigger screen would be much better for that, IMO. Especially when I'm in the kitchen and using it.

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I would LOVE a large iPad. I have a mini for browsing, reading some books, apps, etc (Pinterest is far better on an iPad than the computer, IMO), and I would definitely get the large one to complement it. No, it wouldn't replace my 13" Macbook Pro, but I wouldn't want it to. It would be perfect for drawing (I love the Paper app and they sell a great stylus that they say will be pressure responsive when iOS 8 comes out), and I'd read magazines and put cookbooks with lots of photos on it. It would be awesome for textbooks and taking notes/drawing all over PDFs in OneNote. That would be perfect for students. I could think of a lot of ways to use it, so I hope it becomes a reality.

 

Yes, I have cookbooks/magazines on my Mini, but the bigger screen would be much better for that, IMO. Especially when I'm in the kitchen and using it.

 

Great reasons.

 

Too many people get hung up on the idea of the iPad replacing a laptop, and rabbit on with wrong-headed comparisons. On a forum like this, there are bound to be a higher than normal number of people that place high demands on a laptop. For those, an iPad is a complement to a laptop. For most other people, it's a replacement.

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I was using a painting app on the iPad recently, and I get pixel perfect precision using my fingers. 

 

I like how you can keep zooming in and out while painting, and the more you zoom, the greater the precision becomes.

 

I haven't even touched a mouse in years. Mice are obsolete as far as I'm concerned. When I use OS X, I use magic trackpads.

Who has the time for constant zooming in and out to overcome the inaccuracy and limitations of touch input. For example, if you are trying to draw a path around an object to clip it out, you need to see the image at no more than 1:1 because if you are zoomed in too far you can't discern the edge of the object.

 

On a Mac, track pads are way too slow and inaccurate. High end drawing applications like AutoCad, Illustrator, and even Photoshop have really tiny controls, way too small to precisely manage with a track pad. Track pads are trial and error to actually get the pointer to hit the exact point you want. Mouse or stylus are the only way to be 100% accurate 100% of the time in those types of programs. Track pad works fine for surfing the web and selecting form fields, etc. not for precision drawing. Even for typing it is cumbersome, like when you are trying to drop the cursor between two characters, especially if they are "ll" to "il" or "Il" or just before a period. Hit and miss at best.

 

Apparently Apple still thinks a mouse is useful. They include one with every iMac.

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I was using a painting app on the iPad recently, and I get pixel perfect precision using my fingers. 

 

I like how you can keep zooming in and out while painting, and the more you zoom, the greater the precision becomes.

 

I haven't even touched a mouse in years. Mice are obsolete as far as I'm concerned. When I use OS X, I use magic trackpads.

Who has the time for constant zooming in and out to overcome the inaccuracy and limitations of touch input. For example, if you are trying to draw a path around an object to clip it out, you need to see the image at no more than 1:1 because if you are zoomed in too far you can't discern the edge of the object.

 

On a Mac, track pads are way too slow and inaccurate. High end drawing applications like AutoCad, Illustrator, and even Photoshop have really tiny controls, way too small to precisely manage with a track pad. Track pads are trial and error to actually get the pointer to hit the exact point you want. Mouse or stylus are the way only to be 100% accurate 100% of the time in those types of programs. Track pad works fine for surfing the web and selecting form fields, etc. not for precision drawing. Even for typing it is cumbersome, like when you are trying to drop the cursor between two characters, especially if they are "ll" to "il" or "Il" or just before a period. Hit and miss at best.

 

Apparently Apple still thinks a mouse is useful. They include one with every iMac.

 

And people use mice with laptops; you're missing the point.

 

An iPad is always going to be superior to a laptop for drawing, because of the form factor.

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Who has the time for constant zooming in and out to overcome the inaccuracy and limitations of touch input. For example, if you are trying to draw a path around an object to clip it out, you need to see the image at no more than 1:1 because if you are zoomed in too far you can't discern the edge of the object.

 

On a Mac, track pads are way too slow and inaccurate. High end drawing applications like AutoCad, Illustrator, and even Photoshop have really tiny controls, way too small to precisely manage with a track pad. Track pads are trial and error to actually get the pointer to hit the exact point you want. Mouse or stylus are the only way to be 100% accurate 100% of the time in those types of programs. Track pad works fine for surfing the web and selecting form fields, etc. not for precision drawing. Even for typing it is cumbersome, like when you are trying to drop the cursor between two characters, especially if they are "ll" to "il" or "Il" or just before a period. Hit and miss at best.

 

Apparently Apple still thinks a mouse is useful. They include one with every iMac.

 

There is definitely room for other forms of input with the iPad. iBrush, anyone?

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you're missing the point.

What point was that Ben? I addressed each and every topic in Apple II's post. You have to start trying to read the content of the quoted text not just base your remarks on the reply taken out of context. I've noticed you do that quite often.

 

Your comments make no sense in regard to anything I wrote in my post. If you are just trying to disagree with everything I write, please put more effort and thought into it.

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There is definitely room for other forms of input with the iPad. iBrush, anyone?

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Too many people get hung up on the idea of the iPad replacing a laptop…

I agree. But no one has made a case that there is a great need for a 13" tablet. Oh yes, some people have made the case that they could use a large iPad for this or that. I'm not saying there is absolutely no need at all for a larger device; I'm just saying that none of the ideas presented so far make the case that a 13" iPad will be a success in the marketplace. Don't tell me that the device is good for the Enterprise, show me how. Don't tell me that the device enhances productivity, show me how. Don't tell me the device can replace or compliment another device, show me how. Show me how Apple will sell millions of these things. Show me how a 13" Apple iPad will sell better than Samsung's Galaxy Tab or Microsoft's Surface Pro 3. Just show me.

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Too many people get hung up on the idea of the iPad replacing a laptop…

I agree. But no one has made a case that there is a great need for a 13" tablet. Oh yes, some people have made the case that they could use a large iPad for this or that. I'm not saying there is absolutely no need at all for a larger device; I'm just saying that none of the ideas presented so far make the case that a 13" iPad will be a success in the marketplace. Don't tell me that the device is good for the Enterprise, show me how. Don't tell me that the device enhances productivity, show me how. Don't tell me the device can replace or compliment another device, show me how. Show me how Apple will sell millions of these things. Show me how a 13" Apple iPad will sell better than Samsung's Galaxy Tab or Microsoft's Surface Pro 3. Just show me.

 

Fair enough.

 

Once could make a list of all the benefits, but I don't think that would sway you either. And anyway, no-one, not even Apple, can truly tell until they release something into the wild. The thing with screen size is that it's such a general thing. When I went from a 15" iMac to a 24", it was amazing! It wasn't due to a particular use-case, but because of everything. If they released a big iPad this year, I would snap it up like a banshee, because I know I would love it. Everything bigger! Photos, films, books, magazines, sheet music, notes, documents, more space to type, bigger keyboard; overall, a more immersive experience. Really, portability is the only question mark, but as long as they get the weight to about the iPad 2, I'm sold.

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But no one has made a case that there is a great need for a 13" tablet.

 

You’re joking, right? 

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Apparently Apple still thinks a mouse is useful. They include one with every iMac.

I don't believe I received one with mine. It's a couple years old so perhaps it's a recent thing. ...or I got cheated.
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Apparently Apple still thinks a mouse is useful. They include one with every iMac.

I don't believe I received one with mine. It's a couple years old so perhaps it's a recent thing. ...or I got cheated.

Maybe yours was stolen.

Apple include either a Magic Mouse or a Magic Trackpad with the iMac.
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...Magic Trackpad...


That’s what he’s saying. No mouse.

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I agree. But no one has made a case that there is a great need for a 13" tablet. Oh yes, some people have made the case that they could use a large iPad for this or that. I'm not saying there is absolutely no need at all for a larger device; I'm just saying that none of the ideas presented so far make the case that a 13" iPad will be a success in the marketplace. Don't tell me that the device is good for
the
Enterprise
, show me how. Don't tell me that the device enhances productivity, show me how. Don't tell me the device can replace or compliment another device, show me how. Show me how Apple will sell millions of these things. Show me how a 13" Apple iPad will sell better than Samsung's Galaxy Tab or Microsoft's Surface Pro 3. Just show me.

When you see it in the flesh, you will be shown. If you're susceptible, you will get it. It will be a matter of sex appeal, pure and simple, not the kinds of needs you are talking about above. At worst, you could call it techno-lust. It will sell very well.
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Maybe yours was stolen.

Apple include either a Magic Mouse or a Magic Trackpad with the iMac.

My mistake. I was curious enough to go the the confirmation emails. I asked for the trackpad, because I already had a mouse I believe.
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My mistake. I was curious enough to go the the confirmation emails. I asked for the trackpad, because I already had a mouse I believe.

No my mistake. Mouse is the default but you can opt for the trackpad instead. I haven't purchased any iMacs for a while. I want to, but I'm stuck trying to decide what to do about the delay of the next gen cpus.

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I've been skipping on buying an Air because of the low resolution screen, and I think a lot of people are waiting for a Retina MB Air, which won't happen without a lot of battery tech advances.

So if a larger iPad is in the works, it'll fit in the Macbook Air line alongside existing MB Airs, and it'll either come with a keyboard cover or it'll look just the MB Air(attached keyboard, maaaybe detachable).

The difference to a MB Air will be it'll run iOS instead of OSX(until Apple unveils iOS 8 "Pro" with split-screen multitasking), offering much better battery life, larger storage and of course a higher price between the current iPad's price and the Air price(around $700 for 64GB and $800 for 128GB). Weight should be closer to the iPad line 1.3-1.4 pounds(600-650g) with the keyboard, compared to the current Air which is 2.38 pounds(1.08kg).

That should satisfy anyone looking to use an iOS device for work.

Source: speculation, gut feelings of an iOS developer.
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