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Which is exactly what Apple have been doing since 2007.

 

Profits last year: about $40 billion. 

 

But no doubt, you could do better.

From a business standpoint, yes, they are doing very well.

 

That does not mean that their products are perfect.  Popular, yes.  Perfect, no.  They are in business to make money, not necessarily great products.

 

Android is very popular, and Windows.  Are they great?


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From a business standpoint, yes, they are doing very well.

 

That does not mean that their products are perfect.  Popular, yes.  Perfect, no.  They are in business to make money, not necessarily great products.

 

Android is very poplar, and Windows.  Are they great?


Incorrect. They are in the business of making great products.

It turns out that people naturally want great products, thus, the profit flows.

 

In terms of what Apple has been up to? Who knows.

Anybody that thinks Apple has been slowing down over the past few years is an idiot. Of course they haven't. Is it really that easy to forget that they are extremely secretive? If they are working on something for 4 years, why would they start telling us now? Just because WE don't know what they're doing, doesn't make them any less busy or innovative. Patience.

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Android is very poplar, and Windows.  Are they great?

Because Android is supposedly "open" and free as in beer.

Windows: never was and I doubt ever will be great, because it tries to be good at everything... on everything, i.e. Good enough. I believe they have achieved that goal as unlofty as it is quite well.

I'll stick to the "insanely great" products from Apple thank you... 1biggrin.gif
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Incorrect. They are in the business of making great products.

It turns out that people naturally want great products, thus, the profit flows.

 

 

 

My opinion is an evaluation, based on my personal experience and is therefore not "incorrect."  You disagree with my opinion, and I think that is fine.  I would stay at (usually) very good.  Great would be a different level, but would be very expensive, which would truly cut into profits.  (There have been flops along the way.)

 

I love my iMac.  But, for example, why in the heck is the SD card slot around back where it is hard to reach?  That lowers the usability and thus greatness.  I think a very good design could be achieved where usability and form flow well.  They went for form first.

 

iOS is another story.  I find 7 very difficult to use because of how it looks (this past week I have spent a lot of time with it out of necessity).  I have a folder titled "Apple Useless" for the apps I simply cannot use because of their visual impression: Notes, Clock, Calendar, Contacts; pretty important apps.  I have 3rd party apps that look better.  I turn it on and quickly open an app where I don't have to view the OS level UI.  Sadly, many developers are "updating" their apps to have the feel of OS7 and I have started ditching those as well, as they have been rendered un-viewable (at least on an iPad mini with non retina screen).  Sadly, iOS7 elements are seeping into Mac OS. 


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My opinion is an evaluation, based on my personal experience and is therefore not "incorrect."  You disagree with my opinion, and I think that is fine.  I would stay at (usually) very good.  Great would be a different level, but would be very expensive, which would truly cut into profits.  (There have been flops along the way.)

I love my iMac.  But, for example, why in the heck is the SD card slot around back where it is hard to reach?  That lowers the usability and thus greatness.  I think a very good design could be achieved where usability and form flow well.  They went for form first.

iOS is another story.  I find 7 very difficult to use (this past week I have spent a lot of time with it out of necessity).  I have a folder titled "Apple Useless" for the apps I simply cannot use because of their visual impression: Notes, Clock, Calendar, Contacts.  I have 3rd party apps that look better.  I turn it on and quickly open an app where I don't have to view the OS level UI.  Sadly, many developers are "updating" their apps to have the feel of OS7 and I have started ditching those as well, as they have been rendered un-viewable (at least on an iPad mini with non retina screen).

Haven't you come to the conclusion yet that Apple products as they have evolved, are simply at odds with your desire for utmost usefuleness, regardless of what that contraption or design asthetic looks like? Would you not be better served by moving to an Android or possibly a Windows phone? Regardless of Über Fans like myself, I still think it is noble and certainly OK.... nothing to be ashamed of... to take a look at how you as a person works, and then find the tools that accomplish your goals to get things done.

There is no such thing and an unattainable goal for a designer to even attempt to make something that is perfect for everyone. It can't be done and you're desires and taste are evidense of that. I and very many millions get along very well with Apple's asthetic decisions and sometimes compromises to pure functionality for functionalities sake. You've stated many times your love for the obvious and literal interpretation of skeumorphism in design to reflect well-known objects of the past. It's still out there... go find it and make yourself happy. You deserve to be happy, don't you?
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Haven't you come to the conclusion yet that Apple products as they have evolved, are simply at odds with your desire for utmost usefuleness, regardless of what that contraption or design asthetic looks like? Would you not be better served by moving to an Android or possibly a Windows phone? Regardless of Über Fans like myself, I still think it is noble and certainly OK.... nothing to be ashamed of... to take a look at how you as a person works, and then find the tools that accomplish your goals to get things done.

There is no such thing and an unattainable goal for a designer to even attempt to make something that is perfect for everyone. It can't be done and you're desires and taste are evidense of that. I and very many millions get along very well with Apple's asthetic decisions and sometimes compromises to pure functionality for functionalities sake. You've stated many times your love for the obvious and literal interpretation of skeumorphism in design to reflect well-known objects of the past. It's still out there... go find it and make yourself happy. You deserve to be happy, don't you?

 

Having a nice day?

 

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You deserve to be happy, don't you?

 

No. :D

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My opinion is an evaluation, based on my personal experience and is therefore not "incorrect."  You disagree with my opinion, and I think that is fine.  I would stay at (usually) very good.  Great would be a different level, but would be very expensive, which would truly cut into profits.  (There have been flops along the way.)

I love my iMac.  But, for example, why in the heck is the SD card slot around back where it is hard to reach?  That lowers the usability and thus greatness.  I think a very good design could be achieved where usability and form flow well.  They went for form first.

iOS is another story.  I find 7 very difficult to use (this past week I have spent a lot of time with it out of necessity).  I have a folder titled "Apple Useless" for the apps I simply cannot use because of their visual impression: Notes, Clock, Calendar, Contacts.  I have 3rd party apps that look better.  I turn it on and quickly open an app where I don't have to view the OS level UI.  Sadly, many developers are "updating" their apps to have the feel of OS7 and I have started ditching those as well, as they have been rendered un-viewable (at least on an iPad mini with non retina screen).

Haven't you come to the conclusion yet that Apple products as they have evolved, are simply at odds with your desire for utmost usefuleness, regardless of what that contraption or design asthetic looks like? Would you not be better served by moving to an Android or possibly a Windows phone? Regardless of Über Fans like myself, I still think it is noble and certainly OK.... nothing to be ashamed of... to take a look at how you as a person works, and then find the tools that accomplish your goals to get things done.

There is no such thing and an unattainable goal for a designer to even attempt to make something that is perfect for everyone. It can't be done and you're desires and taste are evidense of that. I and very many millions get along very well with Apple's asthetic decisions and sometimes compromises to pure functionality for functionalities sake. You've stated many times your love for the obvious and literal interpretation of skeumorphism in design to reflect well-known objects of the past. It's still out there... go find it and make yourself happy. You deserve to be happy, don't you?

No, he doesn't deserve to be happy. Nor do you.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's life. 😃
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No, he doesn't deserve to be happy. Nor do you.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's life. 😃

A rather cynical and judgmental thing to say to anyone for any reason if you don't know more about them.

Please note I did not say that he (or anyone else) has the "right" to be happy... and deserving is thoroughly objective. If you don't think you deserve to be happy, you'll probably never experience the sensation.... and remain bitter outwardly towards others and in retrospect... towards yourself.

You need better drugs... 1smoking.gif
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Having a nice day?

Whether sincere or not... yes, thank you I am... and I really hope you do as well!

*** Has the world really come down to people only being sincere in their anger and bitterness, rather than being taken at literal value if you wish them good will or simply a "good day"?

My my... we're really not getting anywhere as a civilization are we... 1oyvey.gif
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@Benjamin Frost - just because I've been disparaging, rather scathing and intolerant in regards to some of your antics in other posts, if you care to look a fair number of your up-votes over the last week have come from "Yours Truly".

I may not be the most persuasive or eloquent in my argumentation, nor someone you would take the time to listen to... but I am a very, very... fair man, and call it like I see it, and do not hold grudges very long for past discrepancies of opinion.

Continually beating people over the head with their mistakes sometimes doesn't help them see the error of there ways... so I'm embarking on a different tact... in the hope that you may soon find the error in yours.

"Kill 'em with kindness" is also an effective tactic. Sometimes... 1smoking.gif
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Hoping to stay up for this event.  That building they are building (if indeed it is Apple's) makes this event seem to be too big to miss for something as lame as living on the other side of the planet where the event starts at 2:00 am and being at least close enough to being human as to require sleep daily.  Will require a lot of coffee and popcorn.
 
I am really excited now that Dell has launched their new display; I really, really want a retina display iMac.  This time around I want a VESA mount.  Hopefully they produce it close to release, unlike last time around (but I had not yet discovered the freedom of display arms at that time so it didn't matter).  Retina, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD, VESA and they get my order, even if the darned SD card slot is still in the back.  The VESA arm will make swinging the machine around a piece of cake!
 
 
Off topic:  My Block list has grown by one.

 

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@Benjamin Frost - just because I've been disparaging, rather scathing and intolerant in regards to some of your antics in other posts, if you care to look a fair number of your up-votes over the last week have come from "Yours Truly".

I may not be the most persuasive or eloquent in my argumentation, nor someone you would take the time to listen to... but I am a very, very... fair man, and call it like I see it, and do not hold grudges very long for past discrepancies of opinion.

Continually beating people over the head with their mistakes sometimes doesn't help them see the error of there ways... so I'm embarking on a different tact... in the hope that you may soon find the error in yours.

"Kill 'em with kindness" is also an effective tactic. Sometimes... 1smoking.gif

I'm very like you in many respects!

I agree with all you say. I do appreciate your likes, too. Believe it or not, even when mstone and I were at each other's throats, I was still giving him the odd like.

I'm afraid that sometimes it's fun to goad people, and you're such a good person to goad! But I should try to resist. Your phrase 'deserve to be happy,' I just find so broad as to be meaningless. Who can say what any of us deserve? Our Creator alone, dare I say it. 😃
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Thanks, Bing.

No, really, thanks for spreading this nonsense.

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This time around I want a VESA mount.

The iMac already has that:

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The iMac already has that:

 

 

It wasn't available when I bought my current iMac, and I didn't know how great an arm was at that time anyways, so I wouldn't have gotten one, probably.  I discovered the arm after the arrival of the nMP, which I wanted to provide a small screen for.  Along the way I also changed out my desk and now have less room than before (down from 80 x 150 cm to 65 x 130).  With the iMac sitting atop two bags of A4 paper taking up a lot of space, yeah, now I want a VESA mounted iMac.  

 

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I'm very like you in many respects!

I agree with all you say. I do appreciate your likes, too. Believe it or not, even when mstone and I were at each other's throats, I was still giving him the odd like.

I'm afraid that sometimes it's fun to goad people, and you're such a good person to goad! But I should try to resist.

So you you see.. we're getting somewhere by simply being forthright and honest about our intentions. To be honest, I don't find that kind of sarcastic and often times humorous discourse offensive, and secretly chuckle to myself when cleverly used. However................... there is a fine line longer than which I typed, when goading and unnecessary provocation can be considered... even if it is misinterpreted... as trolling.

Now that I know better that you're just having some fun... I'll probably continue chuckling at most, and shaking my head at others, and let the powers that be here decide whether it's offensive or thread-killing or not.

As I mentioned in a different reply, there was definitely a "positive" to be taken from your "goading"... in that we all got to know a little bit more about those that frequent these threads here. And now we know a little bit more about you too... which is good. Civil discourse working it's magic 1smile.gif
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Your phrase 'deserve to be happy,' I just find so broad as to be meaningless. Who can say what any of us deserve? Our Creator alone, dare I say it. 😃

"You deserve to be happy... don't you?"... a rhetorical question that only the person it was asked of can answer. I nor anyone else can determine that. We can debate the merits if and once he/she answers publicly... but even then, it would take too long to digest a person's entire history to know if his or our opinion of the answer is justified.

I suppose it would have better left "un-asked".... and ... I was also guilty of "goading". So it does seem we are more alike every post... 1tongue.gif

PS. I would like to postscript my posts with the Countdown to Apple 3.0. Anyone disagree?

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It wasn't available when I bought my current iMac, and I didn't know how great an arm was at that time anyways, so I wouldn't have gotten one, probably.  I discovered the arm after the arrival of the nMP, which I wanted to provide a small screen for.  Along the way I also changed out my desk and now have less room than before (down from 80 x 150 cm to 65 x 130).  With the iMac sitting atop two bags of A4 paper taking up a lot of space, yeah, now I want a VESA mounted iMac.  

Aha, i see. Well, I hope you can get a good price for your current one so this upgrade won't cost you an arm and a leg.

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Aha, i see. Well, I hope you can get a good price for your current one so this upgrade won't cost you an arm and a leg.

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LOL

 

The current one is a good machine, so a replacement would have to be a pretty nice update to warrant the cost.  

 

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What "if" they are never exposed to the "true" path to "heaven", or the teachings of Jesus? Where do they end up? Instinct tells me it can’t possibly be purgatory or hell, or how could you ever consider your god just? 


Yes, there are certainly considerations made for these situations. I can probably find citations in the relevant scripture...

 
*** Heads up to TS... since I'm still unclear whether I want to visit his "dimension" our not, or whether I'm already there and should be looking for a way out?! But sounds cool! 

 

If you like the USA, like first world standards of living, and would like to be able to visit anywhere on Earth safely, without a passport, and while retaining said standards of living, join me in my quest for a world united under the stars and stripes.

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The current one is a good machine, so a replacement would have to be a pretty nice update to warrant the cost.  

That's very understandable. Just thinking about the iMac I don't see anything revolutionary happening. Speed increase is all I can imagine, but hope for all iMac buyers I am completely off and they come up with something that will be all so obvious...once it is shown to me.

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If you like the USA, like first world standards of living, and would like to be able to visit anywhere on Earth safely, without a passport, and while retaining said standards of living, join me in my quest for a world united under the stars and stripes.

Hmm, that sounds awfully...confined.
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Hmm, that sounds awfully...confined.

 

Suit yourself, but I’d love to be able to walk through Mecca without being killed or the Indonesian rainforest knowing that even if I get yellow fever a hospital that can cure me is only a 10 minute helicopter ride away.

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Yes, there are certainly considerations made for these situations. I can probably find citations in the relevant scripture..

I'd certainly be interested if you found those conditional statements or footnotes, because I don't recall any according to my Catholic upbringing. And if that is true, then why such a fervent need to convert souls? Why not leave it to those "other considerations" and god to sort it out?

Also, why do I have the funny feeling that it is some other place other than heaven? Which would put your god in the awkward position of being a segregationist, based on whether a soul standing before him didn't agree with, or follow a missionaries teachings... but was as good of a person as anyone else walking through those pearly gates we've heard about.
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If you like the USA, like first world standards of living, and would like to be able to visit anywhere on Earth safely, without a passport, and while retaining said standards of living, join me in my quest for a world united under the stars and stripes.

I'm just.... woah... ?!? If anyone else stated that... I would think they're "goading" me.... but I'm taking you seriously.

If you drop the "flag waving" part, and your on a quest for peace and prosperity for the entire world... OK and I'm all for it. However, I assume you meant what you wrote and chose your words carefully, and by wrapping up that whole package rather tidily in "stars and stripes"... you're ringing a Nationalist danger bell in my head.

I can't abide or agree with that part of your "dimension". No apologies, and I won't ever be joining you in that part of your journey in this lifetime... or any other metaphysical one. 1oyvey.gif

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Hmm, that sounds awfully...confined.

Suit yourself, but I’d love to be able to walk through Mecca without being killed or the Indonesian rainforest knowing that even if I get yellow fever a hospital that can cure me is only a 10 minute helicopter ride away.

I see. That I get. It was merely the Stars and Stripes that made me believe you wanted 'everything to be American'. That made me write 'confined'. I think ThePixelDoc got a similar feeling from that as well.

But please, let's leave it at this, as it would be a crying shame if we were to engage on a long and winding discussion that'll end up being erased from all servers after moderation, like in that other thread. (nothing wrong with doing that, mods, BTW)

Goodnight everyone!
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Originally Posted by PhilBoogie View Post
I see. That I get. It was merely the Stars and Stripes that made me believe you wanted 'everything to be American'. That made me write 'confined'. I think ThePixelDoc got a similar feeling from that as well.

 

Well, I do. Republican government, equal states, belief in the American economic dream, etc. But if you’re thinking I’d want everything Americanized (or multiculturalized), that couldn’t be further from the truth. A global America would celebrate the same diversity seen in the OTL one–the south is the south, New England’s New England, and southern India would be southern India. Just all the US, all free, and all equal.

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This is a discussion that belongs in another thread and will likely lead to a heated debate. 

 

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Hmm, that sounds awfully...confined.

 

Suit yourself, but I’d love to be able to walk through Mecca without being killed or the Indonesian rainforest knowing that even if I get yellow fever a hospital that can cure me is only a 10 minute helicopter ride away.

 

I was going to say "if you can afford it" but then I remembered that you all have guns, so you could probably arrange what you need without money...

 

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Well, I do. Republican government, equal states, belief in the American economic dream, etc. But if you’re thinking I’d want everything Americanized (or multiculturalized), that couldn’t be further from the truth. A global America would celebrate the same diversity seen in the OTL one–the south is the south, New England’s New England, and southern India would be southern India. Just all the US, all free, and all equal.

I see that my instincts are still tack sharp. Not going to go beyond that statement.

Note: I personally don't agree with the deletion of threads. Closing off further comments is certainly OK, but it is a record of opinion that can be accessed to find out more about a forum member. If the opinions shared at the time were embarrassing at a later date, maybe it will cause people to think twice next time? Naw. Knee-jerk spontaneity built the internet + a whole lot of porn.
Edited by ThePixelDoc - 9/8/14 at 12:34am
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