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not liking those bands


These bands are very strange. They almost look as some plastic to peel off – and I would like to peel it off ...

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Still very HTC.

No it isn't. HTC is about ridiculous bowed backs and brushed textures.

HTC took design cues from the iPhone 5 too, the HTC One was plastic before the iPhone 5 introduced metal.

Concerning the bands, the same comments were made about the two-tone look of the iPhone 5 in the leaks. It turned out ok. Gold with have gold bands, silver will have silver bands and black will have black, like with the black iPad mini:

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Looks like a slippery one again!
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not liking those bands

 

i remember when people said that about the screws and separators on the iphone4 leak. you dont hear it so much anymore...

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I do not like the bands either. I could understand if there were used for water proofing, impact mitigation but from the inside of the case you cannot see them so they appear to be purely decorative (sigh, ugly). With all the gaping holes i do not see this phone to be a waterproof - too bad my cheapo pebble watch is... so the technology is there. We shell see...

 

your pebble isnt a cell phone. there are some cell phones that are, but its not common yet.

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I don't mind the bands now, but I think they would look much better if they were made with radio-transparent liquid-metal instead of plastic.

Also I wish the side bezels on the front glass were thinner.

Overall, though, this is a fresh new look for the iPhone and I'm glad Apple didn't use glass inserts again. Everyone will have to get used to this new design.

Google "liquid metal electrical conductivity" for proof that radio-transparency is a myth. Liquid metal is prized for its electrical conductivity.

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I DO wonder however what the bands are made out of....given their location on the top and bottom....they look to be in a position that could bear the brunt of impacts....and if they are indeed plastic....crack or chip severely. I really hope this does not become like the iPhone 5's terrible chamfered edge which exposes sharp raw metal with smallest of dents.

 

er, no, chamfered doesnt have anything do w/ edge denting. its just a cosmetic bevel cut. where it not there, the outside corner-edge would be 90-degrees and just as susceptible to denting. 

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Apple has finally made the ugliest iPhone.

 

and your mom wants one.

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Previous iPhones give many DSLRs a run for the money

 

Dick, you need to try some better DSLRs. Seriously, the iPhone camera is amazing for a phone, but the detail, sharpness, noise and color accuracy are not even in the same ballpark as a decent DSLR. Putting cheap external lenses on a cheap integrated camera is a bit like putting a nice stereo in a Volvo -- it may improve enjoyment of the product but doesn't do anything to improve the fundamental performance of the underlying device.

 

I'm not complaining about the iPhone camera, I love it and am glad to have it, but let's stay realistic.

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A little lens wart is more than a small inconvenience if it means the iPhone doesn't sit flat on a table.

 

why? i never use my phone flat on a table -- its either in my hand, or propped up for viewing.

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After the financial length that Apple has gone to to secure the exclusive rights to liquidmetal on electronics, I refuse to believe that the use of liquidmetal is limited to the Apple logo on the back. And given Swatch's liquidmetal exclusivity arrangement on "time-pieces", my guess is that the iWatch won't be sporting liquidmetal like many suspect. Also, a few months back, The Swatch Group made a statement that revealed that they have Not been approached by Apple in regards to a partnership for the iWatch.

I'd be willing to bet good money that Apple will be using Liquidmetal for those antenna bands. The inventor of Liquidmetal predicted years ago that Apple might tweak an alloy that would make it suitable for use with the iPhone's antenna. My guess/hope is that Apple's liquidmetal alloy will be radio-transparent, allowing the signale to not only pass through, but remain unimpared when touched or held by the user. I also understand that Liquidmetal can also be anodized. So we may be looking at an iPhone with No visible bands whatsoever.

To be honest, I've always wondered why the bands are so much wider than previous models (and even HTC's, for that matter). I can't help thinking that they were made so wide (and rounded) to accommodate for pouring/stamping the liquidmetal. Anyway, this is just my theory. I may have to just get used the plastic bands like everyone else, but I'm still hoping I won't have to.
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i never use my phone flat on a table

 

I don't either but I know people who do. My wife and daughter both use their phones one handed with the phone laying on the table. I think it's a pretty common way of using a smart device.

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post #53 of 104

Is the Apple logo in these photos smaller than the ones in previous leaked photos?

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post #54 of 104
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A~nd... he’s immediately fired.

 

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I could understand if there were used for water proofing, impact mitigation... ...purely decorative (sigh, ugly). 

 

Do you know what a phone is? Do you have any idea? Have you ever seen an iPhone before?

 
...too bad my cheapo pebble watch is... 

 

Take your FUD and shove it. Honestly, why you people are allowed to keep saying these things I’ll never know.

 

Originally Posted by AZREOSpecialist View Post
Apple has finally made the ugliest iPhone.

 

They did that eight years ago. There has always been an ugliest iPhone since the existence of the iPhone. It’s a different phone for everyone.

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Jony Ive: "We have elegantly implemented diamond cut, micron-precision fitted, unapologetic plastic bands, not only for superior reception purposes, but because Apple has scientifically proven that bands, do indeed, make her dance".

 

Introducing: the iPhone 6

 

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post #56 of 104
Still has that HTC look
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When I read your response, it triggered a memory of a homicide incident that occurred earlier this week at Foxconn. Here is the link to that story... http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2014/08/foxconn-homicide-related-to-new-iphone-6-security-measures.html.

Unsurprisingly, AppleInsider and other sites chose not to publish a story about this homicide since it just might make the sites look bad for pushing people to such extremes to leak confidential information for money. 

All leakers should be stabbed. They'd learn.

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post #58 of 104
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Previous iPhones give many DSLRs a run for the money -- except for the ability to attach external lenses.

iPhone cameras already provide geotagging, image stabilization, etc. that are only available on DLSR cameras costing several thousands of dollars.

It could expand the meaning of:  "The best camera is the one you have with you."

IMO, a little lens wart is a small inconvenience, considering the potential.

Yes, Chase Jarvis is correct with that statement.

As for lenses, many options available:




http://mashable.com/2012/08/17/iphone-lenses/

But as far as GPS goes, many cheap point and shoot have GPS included. If not, there are apps available for your iPhone which you can add to your Aperture as a track and then the photos get put on the map by timecode.
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post #59 of 104
I'm in agreement and hope this isn't the final version. The bands are horrible on this leaked photo.
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I'm highly suspicious.  See image below with contrast enhanced by Photoshop.  That logo has some faint lines around it.  Impossible to know where they come from.  But if I were going to add a cutout logo to the back of something, that effect could easily result if I was a bit careless.

 

Also, the lighter color at the top of the logo is the kind of thing that easily happens when cloning colors to make an addition blend in.

 

But impossible to conclude anything definitive without a better, high res image to work with.

 

 

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After the financial length that Apple has gone to to secure the exclusive rights to liquidmetal on electronics, I refuse to believe that the use of liquidmetal is limited to the Apple logo on the back. And given Swatch's liquidmetal exclusivity arrangement on "time-pieces", my guess is that the iWatch won't be sporting liquidmetal like many suspect. Also, a few months back, The Swatch Group made a statement that revealed that they have Not been approached by Apple in regards to a partnership for the iWatch.

I'd be willing to bet good money that Apple will be using Liquidmetal for those antenna bands. The inventor of Liquidmetal predicted years ago that Apple might tweak an alloy that would make it suitable for use with the iPhone's antenna. My guess/hope is that Apple's liquidmetal alloy will be radio-transparent, allowing the signale to not only pass through, but remain unimpared when touched or held by the user. I also understand that Liquidmetal can also be anodized. So we may be looking at an iPhone with No visible bands whatsoever.

To be honest, I've always wondered why the bands are so much wider than previous models (and even HTC's, for that matter). I can't help thinking that they were made so wide (and rounded) to accommodate for pouring/stamping the liquidmetal. Anyway, this is just my theory. I may have to just get used the plastic bands like everyone else, but I'm still hoping I won't have to.

I like the idea that the bands might be Liquid Metal. Most are taking these for "plastic" separators. We should consider that they are thick (or wide) because they need to be. With Ive and Apple, this stuff is all technical first, not aesthetic. But when it's explained that they're necessary, that should go a long way to make them acceptable, or even appreciated. To all but the most nit-brained, that is. But the way they are executed and finished is what elevates these kinds of details into aesthetic territory.
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Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post
I like the idea that the bands might be Liquid Metal. Most are taking these for "plastic" separators. 


I just wonder why they wouldn’t make the whole case out of LiquidMetal, then.

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I couldn't care less about the bands.

I also couldn't care less about waterproofing.

Guess this is the device for me!

Apple was very proud to show off iPhone 5's seamless joints and how the assembly robots match the best fitting parts when putting the phone together. The bands, if true, are a big departure and a lazy design.

Regarding the waterproofing: iPhone is my always-in-my-hand camera - this means in the pool, on the yacht,  at the beach, and in the Jacuzzi - waterproofing is important to me and many others. I have a waterproofing case but its just not the  same. There is no excuse not to make it waterproof.

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You don't think they're ready with parts and photos of a purported iPhone 6.5 or iPhone 7?

Goophone hasn't made them yet.

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Excuse my ignorance, but how exactly do waterproof/resistant phones work? Does sound come out of the speaker holes? Does the microphone work? How is the headphone jack protected? All the buttons and switches that depress and move. How are these all sealed from water, but still operate correctly? Serious question.

Probably many different solutions.  Gaskets, hydrophobic materials, submerging contacts in plastic, etc... I do know that there solutions are available and Apple can do better job than anybody.

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Apple was very proud to show off iPhone 5's seamless joints and how the assembly robots match the best fitting parts when putting the phone together. The bands, if true, are a big departure and a lazy design.
Regarding the waterproofing: iPhone is my always-in-my-hand camera - this means in the pool, on the yacht,  at the beach, and in the Jacuzzi - waterproofing is important to me and many others. I have a waterproofing case but its just not the  same. There is no excuse not to make it waterproof.

"Lazy design." I look forward to you eating those words, and since you lead such a busy life, in the Jacuzzi would be about right.

Seriously though, you can't judge this kind of thing from a lousy picture. You have to hold it in your hands, and thereby engage your right brain.
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I just wonder why they wouldn’t make the whole case out of LiquidMetal, then.

I was basing that on the idea that the LiquidMetal pieces were themselves conducting antennas, not just transparent to antennas underneath in other words. And since there must be discrete antennas for different radios, so would there have to be a mosaic of LM elements. But this is all imagined. I know nothing but the fact that Apple doesn't do sloppy, lazy, ugly or useless design.
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When I read your response, it triggered a memory of a homicide incident that occurred earlier this week at Foxconn. Here is the link to that story... http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2014/08/foxconn-homicide-related-to-new-iphone-6-security-measures.html.

Unsurprisingly, AppleInsider and other sites chose not to publish a story about this homicide since it just might make the sites look bad for pushing people to such extremes to leak confidential information for money. 

First, stabbing someone who is trying to evade a metal detector is illegal even in China, and it isn't mandated by Foxconn nor Apple. FWIW, individuals are still responsible for their own behavior, and no, they weren't "just following orders."

And "pushing" people to extremes isn't a valid defense for industrial theft, even if working conditions are deplorable. Nobody sentenced these people to enter the Foxconn workforce. If you made your bed, you sleep in it.

I don't think money changes hands between rumor aggregator sites like AppleInsider and sites which are first to post "exclusive" leak photos like nowhereelse.fr. But the aggregators profit from the leak nonetheless, and we're individually responsible (in small measure) for creating demand for leaks in the first place by enabling the economic model for websites to exploit such information.

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Originally Posted by Flaneur View Post
I was basing that on the idea that the LiquidMetal pieces were themselves conducting antennas, not just transparent to antennas underneath in other words.


How can something transparent to a frequency conduct it?

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I was basing that on the idea that the LiquidMetal pieces were themselves conducting antennas, not just transparent to antennas underneath in other words.


How can something transparent to a frequency conduct it?

It can't. No metal can be transparent—to visible light or radio waves. We all laugh at Star Trek IV's "transparent aluminum", but it's the same thing. For something to be a metal, it means there's a gas of electrons not attached to any particular atom, free to move at will through the bulk of the material. They absorb and reemit incoming photons, and also conduct electricity (and heat). Without that, it's not a metal. "Liquid Metal" is not "radio-transparent". By definition. How these fantasies get started, I can't imagine.

Now if you want transparent aluminum, you turn it into aluminum oxide, grow crystals of it, cut it into sheets, and Bob's your uncle; there's your transparent aluminum. It's actually alumina (and they are somehow allowed to call it "sapphire", despite the fact that it doesn't have the titanium impurities to make it blue), and it's not a metal. Metallic aluminum, or metallic anything else, is not, and cannot be, transparent to light or radio waves. Period.
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It can't. No metal can be transparent—to visible light or radio waves. We all laugh at Star Trek IV's "transparent aluminum", but it's the same thing. For something to be a metal, it means there's a gas of electrons not attached to any particular atom, free to move at will through the bulk of the material. They absorb and reemit incoming photons, and also conduct electricity (and heat). Without that, it's not a metal. "Liquid Metal" is not "radio-transparent". By definition. How these fantasies get started, I can't imagine.

Now if you want transparent aluminum, you turn it into aluminum oxide, grow crystals of it, cut it into sheets, and Bob's your uncle; there's your transparent aluminum. It's actually alumina (and they are somehow allowed to call it "sapphire", despite the fact that it doesn't have the titanium impurities to make it blue), and it's not a metal. Metallic aluminum, or metallic anything else, is not, and cannot be, transparent to light or radio waves. Period.

1) Don't we call it a metal because of the elements within it are called metals?

2) I don't think impurities are required for something to be sapphire, and there are many different colors for sapphire. I think it just needs to be aluminium oxide.

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Originally Posted by Mac-sochist View Post
"Liquid Metal" is not "radio-transparent". By definition. How these fantasies get started, I can't imagine.

 

Perhaps the association with Apple’s patent for radio transparent ceramics...

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1) Don't we call it a metal because of the elements within it are called metals?

2) I don't think impurities are required for something to be sapphire, and there are many different colors for sapphire. I think it just needs to be aluminium oxide.

1) Those elements are called metals because they have at least one loosely-held electron in the outer shell that in bulk material becomes free to move at will anywhere and behave as a "gas" of electrons, absorbing and reemitting photons ("reflecting" EM radiation), conducting electricity and heat. That's what the word "metal" means.

2) There are different colors for sapphire, caused by different impurities. Pure aluminum oxide is colorless. In the US, at least, there's a certain minimum chromium content before you're allowed to call it "ruby", why wouldn't the same thing be true of sapphire?
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"Liquid Metal" is not "radio-transparent". By definition. How these fantasies get started, I can't imagine.

Perhaps the association with Apple’s patent for radio transparent ceramics...

That could be. I still remember the furor over the curved plastic back of the iPhone 3G being replaced with sintered alumina, now the hysteria is over crystalline alumina. Like I said before, I think alumina is the new unicorn fur.
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I do not like the bands either. I could understand if there were used for water proofing, impact mitigation but from the inside of the case you cannot see them so they appear to be purely decorative (sigh, ugly). With all the gaping holes i do not see this phone to be a waterproof - too bad my cheapo pebble watch is... so the technology is there. We shell see...

 

The iPhone 6 will have a million times the technology of your pebble, as well as many, many more design considerations. I own a pebble too (and love it) but the "my pebble is waterproof so the iPhone should be too" is a pretty weak and naive argument. The pebble is made entirely out of plastic, and has zero ports- no headphone ports, charging ports, speaker holes, microphone, sim card slot, etc. The only reason the S5 is "waterproof" is because it has ugly ass plugs for the ports, which I don't think is an approach anyone would want Apple to take. I've owned 6 iPhones and have NEVER had any water damage, so although in theory the feature would be nice, its not worth all the compromises. 

 

And for those calling this phone "ugly", the iPhone 3G was called the same thing when shown off, the iPhone 4 was labelled an atrocity based on leaks (and now considered the benchmark and probably the most gorgeous phone of all time), and the iPhone 5 was called ugly too. Enough with the kneejerk reactions. 

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not liking those bands
5.5" nowhere to be found lol
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Enough with the kneejerk reactions.

Fixed that for you.

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And for those calling this phone "ugly", the iPhone 3G was called the same thing when shown off

 

True, but only because it was ugly. :)

 

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and the iPhone 5 was called ugly too.

 

Again, true, but only because it was ugly. :)

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We have no confirmation of anything at this point.


We don't? I would vehemently disagree. I'm sure you're paying close enough attention to know the actual cover glass for the 4.7" has leaked, and it indeed curves at the edges, to match up to the curving sides.

 

Case closed as far as I'm concerned.

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Apple was very proud to show off iPhone 5's seamless joints and how the assembly robots match the best fitting parts when putting the phone together. The bands, if true, are a big departure and a lazy design.

Regarding the waterproofing: iPhone is my always-in-my-hand camera - this means in the pool, on the yacht,  at the beach, and in the Jacuzzi - waterproofing is important to me and many others. I have a waterproofing case but its just not the  same. There is no excuse not to make it waterproof.

:lol: Yes there is! It compromises the entire design, for an incredibly stupid reason!

 

Don't use your phone in the pool! Unbelievable.

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