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Five months would be a lot of time for the competition to come up with something that at least resembles what apple is announcing. Like Rogifan I'm not sure what to make of this. Usually reliable source vs this huge gap between announcement and shipping. At least, they could announce it in a separate event before holiday season which would keep more people waiting and not give the competition that much time. Hm

My hunch is that Apple has spent so much time developing this because it is going to be a very rich product, including deep integration across services and some hardware components that are not easy to just up and duplicate.  Think of the failed example of Samsung's fingerprint sensor.  Heck, think of the 2-3 years it took to Android to really even get close to emulate an iPhone.  The resemblance won't nearly be enough given only a couple of months.  No problem.

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t's different in the sense that the iPhone was a completely new device category. In the meantime tech has evolved and powers all kinds of devices from tablets to watches making it easier for the competition to copy. Las example was touchID. so if they do this there better be a similar step change in tech involved.

Given the time Apple has been working on this, I'm expecting the iWatch to do to the smartwatch category exactly what the iPhone did to the smartphone category.  In other words, essentially create a completely new device category by comparison.

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Differences is, that wasn't launched right before the holiday season. Are they going to have a functioning device(es) for people at the event to try out? Or are they just going to show a computer render and say "coming in 2015"?

All the more reason to announce and keep the competition from selling a bunch of their watches over the holidays.

 

My guess is that Apple will demonstrate a (mostly) functional prototype but not let people put hands-on.  Just like the iPhone reveal.

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Wasn't it Re/code insisting just several days ago that both the iPhone and a wearable WOULD be revealed on the 9th?

REVEALED not SHIPPED.  That is still consistent with today's story.

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I guess they could be announcing it early to give developers lead time for apps and to prevent FCC leaks? I just hope if they do announce something there really is something to show and even demo; not vaporware.

It kind of makes me wonder though if this device really isn't ready for primetime. Otherwise wouldn't it have made more sense to announce it at WWDC (where the developers are) with availability for sale this holiday season?

Why not go with the simplest answer?  It was not ready for DEMONSTRATION 3 months ago, but now it is.  And (if the rumor is true) then it won't be ready for mass shipment by December.  Why do people act like Apple makes arbitrary decisions based on the calendar when their entire development history (i.e release a product when its ready) show otherwise.

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I think it'll have similar features as what the other smart watches claim now.  But just like everything Apple does- it will be easier and do it better.  We're 7 years into iPhones and the others still can't get it right.  I'm not worried about them copying- it'll be more like "Ours already does all that"- but no one will buy the others.

It will have more features and get them ALL right.

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Why are the delusions of a madman (aka, analysts) considered breaking? You know what's breaking? Appleinsider's journalistic integrity.

This is a rumor site.  Deal with the rumors or read something else.

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Yes, but they would have to open the kimono on the features of a new, unannounced product -- thus destroying the surprise.

When you are talking about enhancements to existing products (screen size, TouchID, 64-bit, Metal, etc.) the SDK does [very] little to destroy the surprise of the announcement of these new versions.
Then announce the device at WWDC and say it will be available for sale before Christmas.

I suspect that Apple might have announced the product at WWDC if they were sure it could be ready.

However, there are better venue's than the WWDC for announcing New [to Apple] product categories.


But, let's assume that they planned to announce at WWDC.

Have you every worked on the release of a new (to you and your cohorts) product release?

It's a funny experience: fits of progress, followed by false steps, delays -- exceeding, then missing schedules ... rinse and repeat.

More than once, Steve went into a Product Announcement and had to drop something because it wasn't ready.

I remember a Press event where all Steve had to show were three things: the iPod Hi-Fi, a leather iPod case ... and I can't even remember what the third thing was ... Obviously the "featured" product wasn't ready.


So, it easily could have been that Apple planned to announce the iWatch at the 6/2/14 WWDC Keynote -- but it was dropped because it wasn't ready. Then conducted WWDC sessions (then unannounced) without any iWatch sessions. Then released an iOS build without any iWatch components.


As things go, with the chaotic cycle of a new product release -- all of a sudden, things fall into place -- and Boom, it's ready to show to the world.

That moment in time, when the iWatch was ready to show -- could have occurred just as Tim was thanking everyone for coming and walking off the stage (or any time since).

What's Apple to do? You have the WWDC in June, a planned iPhone event (which probably was planned to be an iPhone/iWatch event).

What would you do?
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If we don't get a product for sale this year that tells me Apple is far off from having a product good enough to sell.

I don't think that logically follows -- because there isn't a product for sale on 12/31/14 doesn't mean there won't be one for sale 1/1/15 (holidays aside).

There are lot of logistics involved -- and Tim and his successor have proven to be best in class!
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That's not fair - the poster clearly meant that the iPhone used hard-to-get-a-hold of parts because it was such a new category (not for Apple, but for the industry); Blackberry even called an emergency meeting where they thought that this thing can't be real IIRC.  No way any company could catch up in 6 months to iPhone in 2007.  (Still they only did it because it has to clear FCC, not because they had a jump on competition)

 

For an "iWatch" the competition could see the renders/demo product and in 6 months easily copy the design and turn out a production model with the ubiquitous availability of touch screens, mobile processors etc.  It's a different landscape for sure.

 

I think the only reason Apple would announce it early is because it has to go though FCC, because they promised stuff this year (sort of and I really doubt this would be a reason), or because it has to go through some other regulatory body (like a Health arm of the government or however it works down there).  Or MAYBE to show it to developers, but it seems like WWDC would have been the time for that, if it wasn't in production yet anyway.

In my opinion, the most difficult thing to reproduce in the iPhone was the user interface, not what you listed here.  It took years for Android to catch up.

 

Same thing will happen here.  Apple is going to drop a bomb on the industry (again).

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This is a rumor site.  Deal with the rumors or read something else.

The rumors are fine because, duh... it's a rumor site. That's why I read it.  There is nothing journalistically wrong with writing about rumors as long as you are reporting the facts as a journalist and not editorializing. It you do editorialize, then announce that is what you are doing. If you write about rumors... then yes, declare your intention, which this site does.

But I don't see how "breaking" can be attributed to "just another analyst" trying to shift the market. It's not breaking because it's not "breaking" news.  This has all been said before. I'd like to know from the editors WHY this particular story is more important or more urgent than any other rumor. I'd posit that it's because they are being paid to do so. If so, that's a strike against their journalistic integrity. Again, it's good to be paid as the fourth estate, but not good to be paid to prioritize the news.

 

"Breaking" should be reserved for actual news that is in the process or happening. You know, like "Apple Headquarters on Fire" or "Tim Cook in Serious Motorcycle Accident" or "Apple Surprises the World with Electric Car Announcement".  I can read rumors and rehashed analyst drivel for hours on end, but it's not BREAKING.

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Except, one of the big advantages to an iWatch is that the iPhone stays in your pocket or purse. If all a 3rd-party app can do is notify you through the iWatch to take out your iPhone ... why bother?

Rather, have a cloud or iPhone app that interacts with the iWatch, e.g.:

Here's a graph of your [whatever] activity * for today (tap to show graph against yesterday, week, month, etc.)

* Activity can be anything from a walk, workout, bike route, stock/portfolio performance, budget (can I afford to buy those ...).

I assume that you will be able to buy those ... with the iWatch (via the iPhone or cloud).

When it comes to other, headless, wearables it's a little difficult to predict what notifications, if any, the wearable can receive ... But, if an Apple-branded app can send those notifications, why shouldn't a 3rd-party app be able to do so too?

With apologies to Tony Orlando:  Buzz three times on the shoulder if you'll meet me -- twice on the hip means you ain't gonna' show ...

Again, I don't think we are in disagreement here. I just think that for release they do not require dev support. Bit they can have exactly what you laid out read plus the usual two or three invited debs to showcase their apps. That's will be sufficient for starters. Then it can roll out and give the debs the chance to develop and fully exploit the new features.

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Interesting ...

My grandson's birthday is 9/5. He wants a new watch. He is trying to decide on popular watches costing between $80 and $150 (the family would all contribute).

I suggested that he might want to wait for the 9/9 announcement as Apple is rumored to be announcing a watch.


After thinking about it for a while, he said: "No, if I got the new iWatch -- it'd only get ripped off at school."


He has an iPhone 5 and about 80% of his friends/classmates have iPhones ...

I guess being first with the latest iDevice has its risks ...

Go ahead and get your grandson a watch for his birthday.  Then get him the iWatch on Xmas, because he wants it like all his other friends do.

 

Problem solved.  :)

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This seems reasonable to me considering the lead times between Apple's other major new product categories of major changes within a product category.

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Wasn't it Re/code insisting just several days ago that both the iPhone and a wearable WOULD be revealed on the 9th?
REVEALED not SHIPPED.  That is still consistent with today's story.

'been reading your series of posts ...

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Interesting ...


My grandson's birthday is 9/5. He wants a new watch. He is trying to decide on popular watches costing between $80 and $150 (the family would all contribute).


I suggested that he might want to wait for the 9/9 announcement as Apple is rumored to be announcing a watch.



After thinking about it for a while, he said: "No, if I got the new iWatch -- it'd only get ripped off at school."



He has an iPhone 5 and about 80% of his friends/classmates have iPhones ...


I guess being first with the latest iDevice has its risks ...
Go ahead and get your grandson a watch for his birthday.  Then get him the iWatch on Xmas, because he wants it like all his other friends do.

Problem solved.  1smile.gif

That's a pretty likely outcome!
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That's a pretty likely outcome!

I agree, so long as you're not talking about this Christmas. With no leaked parts and Apple's typical demo months before the release of a new product category I think a early 2015 launch would be most likely.

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In my opinion, the most difficult thing to reproduce in the iPhone was the user interface, not what you listed here.  It took years for Android to catch up.

 

Same thing will happen here.  Apple is going to drop a bomb on the industry (again).

Fair enough.

 

the arguments for lead times for developers are pretty convincing in this thread as well.  Still, seems weird to announce it before Christmas and ship after, but what the hell do I know about anything.

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So Apple's getting in the game of vaporwear? It seems odd that they would announce something in the fall but not have it available to ship for the holidays. If it's not ready why announce it now? Unless Apple is that worried about it leaking? Or are they getting in the business of showing off prototypes so Cook can say to Wall Street "see we are innovating"? I'd love to call this rumor bunk, but the source is usually very accurate.
Apple annoced something like this ahead for developers apps, as well keep market pointed away from competitors waiting on a release.
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The rumors are fine because, duh... it's a rumor site. That's why I read it.  There is nothing journalistically wrong with writing about rumors as long as you are reporting the facts as a journalist and not editorializing. It you do editorialize, then announce that is what you are doing. If you write about rumors... then yes, declare your intention, which this site does.

But I don't see how "breaking" can be attributed to "just another analyst" trying to shift the market. It's not breaking because it's not "breaking" news.  This has all been said before. I'd like to know from the editors WHY this particular story is more important or more urgent than any other rumor. I'd posit that it's because they are being paid to do so. If so, that's a strike against their journalistic integrity. Again, it's good to be paid as the fourth estate, but not good to be paid to prioritize the news.

 

"Breaking" should be reserved for actual news that is in the process or happening. You know, like "Apple Headquarters on Fire" or "Tim Cook in Serious Motorcycle Accident" or "Apple Surprises the World with Electric Car Announcement".  I can read rumors and rehashed analyst drivel for hours on end, but it's not BREAKING.

OK, I can understand and respect your preference for not wanting a rumor to be referred to as "breaking".  However, I, for one, don't have a problem with using the word "breaking" as an adjective for a rumor that is fresh.  Reserving certain adjectives for use only with specific nouns reduces the flexibility of the English language.  But then, to each his own.

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But when people like me have complained about most if not all hardware being announced in the fall the response is that it makes total sense because the holiday season is when people buy things. I'm not arguing that Apple should announce everything in the fall, far from it. It just seems odd to announce something in the fall and not have it available for Christmas. This seems like the kind if device that would be a great Christmas gift.

If the rumor is true, the reason is as simple as it gets:  while Apple would love to have the new device available for the holidays, it simply isn't ready to meet the production schedule.  Why obfuscate the simple?  (<--- he said with irony)


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I agree, so long as you're not talking about this Christmas. With no leaked parts and Apple's typical demo months before the release of a new product category I think a early 2015 launch would be most likely.

One year my Mom wanted to buy my Dad a boxed set of WWII history DVD set but it wasn't going to be available by Christmas so I Photoshopped a really nice authentic looking certificate with a picture of the compilation set and his name on it, as well as the announced release date. Worked fine. He was very happy.

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One year my Mom wanted to buy my Dad a boxed set of WWII history DVD set but it wasn't going to be available by Christmas so I Photoshopped a really nice authentic looking certificate with a picture of the compilation set and his name on it, as well as the announced release date. Worked fine. He was very happy.

I did something similar for my mother for the original iPad with cellular. It wasn't out at either her birthday or Mother's Day when I gave her the card I made with an iPad image on it.

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Totally disagree ...

Your answer assumes that only Apple has the answers for these devices -- and that only Apple can innovate with these devices.

If you look around, you can see evidence that those are bad assumptions.

Remember that Steve said that 3rd-party apps for the iPhone would be limited to web apps ...

The original Touch Screen tech and later TouchID tech come from 3rd parties.

Then there's the free Hyperlapse app from Instagram that synchs an iPhone camera and gyroscope to create the equivalent of a $15,000 video setup:

http://www.wired.com/2014/08/hyperlapse-instagrams-new-app-is-like-a-15000-video-setup-in-your-hand/


IMO, Apple should open its tech as much as possible ... if only, to determine which tech companies it wants to buy!

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I remember Bill Atkinson and a couple of other Apple employees came into our Sunnyvale store after a trip to evaluate the Commodore Amiga APU (which was superior to Apple's 68000 APU). Paraphrasing Bill: "It was nice -- but we can do that in software"

I think that Bill's statement rings more true to day than back in the mid 1980s -- because hardware advances have far outstripped the software's ability to exploit them.

Said more succinctly: Apple cannot possibly hire and manage enough programmers [developers] to exploit their hardware ... And, I think they know that!

Timing! Timing! Timing!

I think that the previous poster's point was that Apple will probably have enough apps ready to provide a drool-worthy device on day one, even without third party developers, but he didn't say it would remain that way.  Third party development will certainly be greatly encouraged, for all the reasons you laid out, so the ecosystem flourishes that much more.  And it certainly won't take long.

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Then announce the device at WWDC and say it will be available for sale before Christmas. If we don't get a product for sale this year that tells me Apple is far off from having a product good enough to sell.

If they weren't ready for announce in June and sale by (say November), then the only thing that an announcement in September and sale by (say) February can tell you is that they are three months behind the schedule that you wish they met (and that they probably  wish they had met too).  That's it.  A few months is not that far.

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No problem with that!

I misunderstood your position.

And that approach avoids the very difficult situation where the SDK release destroys the product announcement surprise.

And, it encourages developers to innovate to where they become a member of the select few!


We're in agreement!

And now we're all in agreement!  (I should have read the entire thread through first, rather than answering each comment as I came across it.  (Maybe this is my first rodeo!!!)

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All Apple has officially announced is an event and a new product catogory, please check your facts people

We are discussing the potential ramifications of a rumor on a rumor site.  Are there specific facts being misrepresented here?

 

And by the way, Apple hasn't officially announced that there will be a new product category.  They promised in interviews over the last year that they are working on such and will show something this year.  If that's what you mean by "announced", then I agree.

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I am so tired of seeing that same mannequin hand illustration.

I am so tired of conflicting bloggers being called "well-connected." What's the value of being called "well-connected" if you disagree with other "well-connected" bloggers?

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Why not go with the simplest answer?  It was not ready for DEMONSTRATION 3 months ago, but now it is.  And (if the rumor is true) then it won't be ready for mass shipment by December.  Why do people act like Apple makes arbitrary decisions based on the calendar when their entire development history (i.e release a product when its ready) show otherwise.
3rd gen iPad begs to differ. Hence why we got 4th gen in the same year with the A6X chip.
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Apple annoced something like this ahead for developers apps, as well keep market pointed away from competitors waiting on a release.
Unless Android Wear is comparable with iPhone I'm not sure how this impacts the competition. Unless it's something so mind blowing that people who own an Android phone or were thinking of getting one go iPhone instead?
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But yesterday people here were calling LG's new watch vaporware even though it apparently will be shipping before Apple's wearable device does.

So what?
Why does that bother you?

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So what?
Why does that bother you?
Yes it bothers me when people are hypocritical.
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So if Apple shows it September, and doesn't ship it until 2015, wouldn't that be the "vaporware" that everyone accuses other manufacturers of pulling off?

Regardless, I can't wait to see it the iWatch and the new iPhone. I already sold my iPhone 5 in anticipation of the iPhone 6's arrival, and am making do with a $40 Nokia Lumia 520 that I got from Amazon in the mean time. 


Vaporware is when you show off a product that ships in "6 months" and it never ships.

 

That said, I don't understand why Apple would create distraction at their iPhone event, if the wearable is not shipping until 2015. Pointless.

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Wonko, how are things outside the Asylum? Are you still disturbed by the instructions on a packet of toothpicks?

 

In any case, the iPhone wasn't a new device category - there were smartphones before it.  What made it different was the implementation.  I think the FCC theory has some merit - after all it likely has a radio device of some kind in it which will need approval.

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Concur. The key is that the design and features are all settled, and that they will actually make this. It does not interfere or interrupt a current product; and perhaps makes the iP6 even MORE desirable. And it makes some sense to release it before the holidays, even if they can't deliver them. People will buy gift cards, particularly if they print cards with the iWatch/iTime on it. I can even see AAPL getting agressive and offering Kickstarter-esque queuing for production spots.
I just hope I can wait in a really long line to buy one. That would be awesome.
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Why (assuming rumors are correct) is Apple announcing the iWatch on 9 September? The Food and Drug Administration has an approximately 90 day queue for the approval of 510k Premarket Approvals.
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Pointless.

I can see a point.

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Why (assuming rumors are correct) is Apple announcing the iWatch on 9 September? The Food and Drug Administration has an approximately 90 day queue for the approval of 510k Premarket Approvals.

Even without considering FDA (and approval in other nations) we should also consider leaked components from China, which may be why we haven't seen any leaks of it yet, as well as Apple's history of introductions and demos of new product categories months before they go on sale.

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Why (assuming rumors are correct) is Apple announcing the iWatch on 9 September? The Food and Drug Administration has an approximately 90 day queue for the approval of 510k Premarket Approvals.


Maybe Apple submitted it on June 11.

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Maybe Apple submitted it on June 11.

The FCC has been good about keeping their test results under wraps until Apple tells them they can release the data.

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The FCC has been good about keeping their test results under wraps until Apple tells them they can release the data.


Well, fairly. That new Apple TV that was never released for example.

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