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Photos purport to show 2915 mAh battery for 5.5" 'iPhone 6,' twice the capacity of Apple's iPhone 5s

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The stream of component leaks surrounding the rumored 5.5-inch variant of Apple's next-generation iPhone has begun to kick up just one week before the company makes its official announcement, with a new high-capacity battery said to be destined for the "phablet" device appearing from Asia.




The pictured component -- bearing an advertised 2,915 mAh capacity -- is show as having been manufactured by Chinese firm Desay Battery, a supplier long rumored to have won contracts for the "iPhone 6" lineup. French blog NWE indicated only that the part was sourced from China.

A similar battery was included in a list of parts that leaked from Taiwanese sources in mid August.

Apple had previously been rumored to have chosen a smaller, 2,500 mAh unit for the 5.5-inch device. That capacity would have placed it in the middle of the pack when it comes to battery capacity in large-screened handsets, but the new 2,915 mAh figure would bump it toward the top, and would be nearly double that of the 1,560 mAh battery found in the current flagship iPhone 5s.

The battery has also been repeatedly singled out as a source of manufacturing problems, with Apple said to have run into trouble making the power reserve slim enough to fit in the new iPhone's more svelte chassis. Those problems are thought to have been resolved now, however.

Apple will put the rumors to rest at a media event on Sept. 9, and AppleInsider will be on hand in Cupertino. We will bring live coverage from inside the Flint Center as well as hands-on time with any new hardware the company may introduce.
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Can not wait for this to be released. This is the iPhone I've been wanting for a long time now. With NFC and a 5.5" screen, it'll be the perfect iPhone.

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How much are nowhereelse.fr paying for each leak? Anyone know?

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How much are nowhereelse.fr paying for each leak? Anyone know?


I heard it was around about enough.

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How much are nowhereelse.fr paying for each leak? Anyone know?

I have to take a leak... How much are they paying?

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2,915 is "nearly" 2880?
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2,915 is "nearly" 2880?

 

It makes sense if you don't think about it.  ;-)

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This battery size, and the smaller one for the 4.7" model, seems to be just enough to maintain the 8 hour LTE talk time. While that's enough most of the time, there are times when I've wished I've had an extra two hours.

There was a time when iPhones had the best battery life of all normal smartphones. I mean that without including one or two models that have been heavy and bulky because of enormous batteries.

But now, iPhones are atuck right about in the middle of the field, lagging even behind mid range phones. I really don't see why that has to be. With batteries being so thin, even one thin mm thicker could add 25% more life between charges. I strongly believe that most people would trade that 25,4th of an inch thickness for an additional 25% battery life.

Truthfully, phones are thin enough.
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2,915 is "nearly" 2880?

except is is actually 1,560 mAh. 1,440 mAh was iPhone 5. 

so, it is actually not even doubled. 

 

(http://arstechnica.com/apple/2013/09/ifixits-iphone-5s-teardown-finds-larger-battery-improved-lte-transceiver/)

(http://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/02/2915-mah-iphone-6-battery/)

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It's weird how every year Apple has all these production production problems that all magically get resolved right before the release of the iPhone¡

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It's weird how every year Apple has all these production production problems that all magically get resolved right before the release of the iPhone¡

I wish that were completely true. If it were, there wouldn be all the long term shortages we constantly see. Of course, part of that is conservative sales estimates, but still.
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How does the leaks on this new iPhone compared to previous versions match up in quantity? If you add the Russian video seems like this one got leaked quite a bit. iPhone user starting with 4s so not here from the start of the device.

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If the battery size doubles , won't the battery life be a lot more something like at lest 1.5 x? yes the display is larger so it will gobble up power, but all things being equal this will take the overall battery life up from current 8-10 to over 12 to 15 hours I would guess based on a simplistic calculation, more than enough! This does not include any allowance for battery power saving optimization with new OS either.

current iPhone 5 Internet use: Up to 8 hours on 3G, up to 10 hours on LTE, up to 10 hours on Wi-Fi
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I'm finally believing the 5.5" is a real thing. Really look forward to owning one- hoping it's released at the same time!

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This battery size, and the smaller one for the 4.7" model, seems to be just enough to maintain the 8 hour LTE talk time. While that's enough most of the time, there are times when I've wished I've had an extra two hours.

There was a time when iPhones had the best battery life of all normal smartphones. I mean that without including one or two models that have been heavy and bulky because of enormous batteries.

But now, iPhones are atuck right about in the middle of the field, lagging even behind mid range phones. I really don't see why that has to be. With batteries being so thin, even one thin mm thicker could add 25% more life between charges. I strongly believe that most people would trade that 25,4th of an inch thickness for an additional 25% battery life.

Truthfully, phones are thin enough.

I believe, at least according to Apple spec., the LTE talk time on iPhone5  is up to  10 hours not 8

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This battery size, and the smaller one for the 4.7" model, seems to be just enough to maintain the 8 hour LTE talk time. While that's enough most of the time, there are times when I've wished I've had an extra two hours.

There was a time when iPhones had the best battery life of all normal smartphones. I mean that without including one or two models that have been heavy and bulky because of enormous batteries.

But now, iPhones are atuck right about in the middle of the field, lagging even behind mid range phones. I really don't see why that has to be. With batteries being so thin, even one thin mm thicker could add 25% more life between charges. I strongly believe that most people would trade that 25,4th of an inch thickness for an additional 25% battery life.

Truthfully, phones are thin enough.

 

I imagine it would add several hours to the talk time, why do you believe the battery increase will not increase battery life? During a phone call, the screen is off, thus the extra battery will power the chips MUCH longer. Also, the chips are more efficient, thus, even better battery life.

 

 

 

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If the battery size is doubles , won't the battery life be a lot more something like at lest 1.5 x? yes the display is larger so it will gobble up power, but all things being equal this will take the overall battery life up from current 8-10 to over 12 to 15 hours I would guess based on a simplistic calculation, more than enough! This does not include any allowance for battery power saving optimization with new OS either.

current iPhone 5 Internet use: Up to 8 hours on 3G, up to 10 hours on LTE, up to 10 hours on Wi-Fi

 

 

Am I the only one thinking IGZO? Much like the iPad Air?? The screen size increase should easily be offset by the IGZO technology. The screen will be thinner and use anywhere from 30 to 50 percent less power. Thus, I feel like the screen increase is a push in terms of battery life. 35% increase coupled with more efficient chips and OS. I see about a 35-40% bump in screen time and a 50% bump in talk time.

 

Am I alone on this or missing something?

 

See with the iPad, you got IGZO and a smaller battery = thinner iPad with same battery life. 

iPhone 6 = IGZO, bigger screen, bigger battery.   Likely a good bump in battery life.  I would be surprised if anything less than 30% over the 5S. 

 

Am I missing something?

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If the battery size is doubles , won't the battery life be a lot more something like at lest 1.5 x? yes the display is larger so it will gobble up power, but all things being equal this will take the overall battery life up from current 8-10 to over 14+ hours I would guess based on a simplistic calculation, more than enough!

current iPhone 5 Internet use: Up to 8 hours on 3G, up to 10 hours on LTE, up to 10 hours on Wi-Fi

I wish that were true. But it's not just the size of the display, but the resolution. The higher that goes, the bigger battery.

For those of us who have been buying iPads, the answer is obvious. Higher resolution and a stronger SoC adds up to much more battery drain. When Apple went to the iPad 3 Retina model, they had to add several ounces just to maintain the same battery life as the older iPad 2, but even then the battery life was about 10% less. They did an amazing job with the Air, but that maintains the same screen.

But let's get to the actual sizes, assuming that what we've been reading is correct.

4" diag.
3.49x1.96=6.8404 sq inches

4.7" diag.
4.1x2.3=9.43 sq inches

5.5" diag.
4.79x2.7=12.933 sq inches

So a 5.5" screen is just about double the size of the current 4" screen, area wise. This would need a batter that much larger. It's true that the screen doesn't eat up all of the battery, but a faster SoC will use more as well. But the higher Rez will add a good 25% to that battery size! just going by what happened to the iPads.

So it seems to me that unless Apple has done something very clever here, we'll see about the same battery life. We know that Apple was hoping to use a higher quality backlight film that would have required less battery useage than the two films currently used, but QC issues prevented that from being used.
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I believe, at least according to Apple spec., the LTE talk time on iPhone5  is up to  10 hours not 8

Not that I know of.

Just checked, yeah, it's 8 hours on 3G. Still, that doesn't change the fact that Apple's battery life is mediocre these days.
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I have to take a leak... How much are they paying?

Depends. Is it a golden leak?

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I imagine it would add several hours to the talk time, why do you believe the battery increase will not increase battery life? During a phone call, the screen is off, thus the extra battery will power the chips MUCH longer. Also, the chips are more efficient, thus, even better battery life.





Am I the only one thinking IGZO? Much like the iPad Air?? The screen size increase should easily be offset by the IGZO technology. The screen will be thinner and use anywhere from 30 to 50 percent less power. Thus, I feel like the screen increase is a push in terms of battery life. 35% increase coupled with more efficient chips and OS. I see about a 35-40% bump in screen time and a 50% bump in talk time.

Am I alone on this or missing something?

See with the iPad, you got IGZO and a smaller battery = thinner iPad with same battery life. 
iPhone 6 = IGZO, bigger screen, bigger battery.   Likely a good bump in battery life.  I would be surprised if anything less than 30% over the 5S. 

Am I missing something?

People use the phone for many more things than phone calls. In fact, that's why talk time is unlimited these days, and you buy data plans instead. People are using their phones less and less for actuall phone calls, and are texting much more. Phones these days are used far more for Internet than calling.

We haven't heard anything about IGZO screens for these, unlike all the talk last year for the iPad Air.
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People use the phone for many more things than phone calls. In fact, that's why talk time is unlimited these days, and you buy data plans instead. People are using their phones less and less for actuall phone calls, and are texting much more. Phones these days are used far more for Internet than calling.

We haven't heard anything about IGZO screens for these, unlike all the talk last year for the iPad Air.

I do not see how Apple could hit all their targets without an IGZO screen, including the thinner body and larger battery. Mark my words, IGZO or this will be a big miss in the battery life department. 

 

Additionally, we haven't had any screen leaks at all, given we don't know the resolution.

 

 

Also, notice I said a 35% bump in screen time. The savings of an IGZO will easily offset the bump in screen area and likely most of the resolution increase (processing).

 

 

Calling 14 hours or better on LTE, I wouldn't be surprised to see 15


Edited by Seankill - 9/2/14 at 8:41am
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I guess i won my bet.

 

VINDICATION.

 

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I guess i won my bet.

 

VINDICATION.

 

hello? paging tallest ski....paging tallest ski.

Since you have a hard time comprehending anything- let me express to you what a "bet" is and isn't.

A bet is two parties agreeing to terms

A bet is not one person saying "bet me, bet me" like a child- and the other person never betting.

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 would be nearly double that of the 1,560 mAh battery found in the current flagship iPhone 5s.
 

 

So as long as the 5.5's power needs are not also double that of iPhone 5s, we should see a nice bump in battery life.

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I do not see how Apple could hit all their targets without an IGZO screen, including the thinner body and larger battery. Mark my words, IGZO or this will be a big miss in the battery life department. 

Additionally, we haven't had any screen leaks at all, given we don't know the resolution.


Also, notice I said a 35% bump in screen time. The savings of an IGZO will easily offset the bump in screen area and likely most of the resolution increase (processing).


Calling 14 hours or better on LTE, I wouldn't be surprised to see 15

I still haven't seen a good forward-looking write-up on screen technologies. Does no one have a vantage point on the industry? (Raymond Soneira of Display Mate is way too disorganized in his thinking, so it's hard to decipher what he's trying to say.)

Anyway, I seem to remember reading that IGZO was more appropriate for tablet-sized screens and larger, and that LTPS was the technology of choice for smaller screens. And it seems I read that both technologies offer about the same energy efficiencies. I'm a big fan of the whole IGZO concept, though, so I hope these generalizations were oversimplified, being as how i'll be in the market for the 5.5" maxiPhone/microtablet.
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It would be very nice if Apple were to release two versions of the iP6, identical in every way except for thickness and battery--one would be 3mm thicker and have twice the battery life. Give consumers the option, and see what they REALLY value--thinness or battery.  Personally, I'd rather hug trees than walls.

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I still haven't seen a good forward-looking write-up on screen technologies. Does no one have a vantage point on the industry? (Raymond Soneira of Display Mate is way too disorganized in his thinking, so it's hard to decipher what he's trying to say.)

Anyway, I seem to remember reading that IGZO was more appropriate for tablet-sized screens and larger, and that LTPS was the technology of choice for smaller screens. And it seems I read that both technologies offer about the same energy efficiencies. I'm a big fan of the whole IGZO concept, though, so I hope these generalizations were oversimplified, being as how i'll be in the market for the 5.5" maxiPhone/microtablet.

I actually have not heard of LTPS but if it is as efficient, then it could possibly be that screen.

 

I also haven't heard that it works better for tablets, what is the reasoning behind that? Just curious.

 

It may have been because early on, yield rates were poor? My understanding is that Sharp got the kinks ironed out.

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This is the clearest and most detailed video for the iPhone 6 I've come across yet! What happened to doubling down on secrecy... I wonder what Apple has to say about the physical design being all over the internet.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=657UeODW178


Edited by simtub - 9/2/14 at 9:30am
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If these leaks are legitimate, Apple needs to find the source of these leaks from the factory where these parts are manufactured, and penalize the factory for allowing them.

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The iPhone 5.5 is going to be a beast.

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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post
...a new high-capacity battery said to be destined for the “phablet” device appearing from Asia.
 

 

Okay, where is our sense of scale? How do we know where this thing goes?

 

Originally Posted by SirLance99 View Post
...itll be the perfect iPhone.

 

Except useless as a phone, so I doubt it.

 

Originally Posted by gilly33 View Post
If you add the Russian video...

 

That’s 100% a fake.

 

Originally Posted by sog35 View Post
I guess i won my bet.

 

That’s funny. I seem to remember the iPhone 6 not being released at all. Not even announced. Mind showing me the product page on Apple.com?

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If these leaks are legitimate, Apple needs to find the source of these leaks from the factory where these parts are manufactured, and penalize the factory for allowing them.

 

Not gonna happen. I've been calling for harsher measures for years now, and security is actually getting worse, with more and more leaks happening.

 

I am even in favor of workers being strip searched when entering and leaving the premises.

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That’s funny. I seem to remember the iPhone 6 not being released at all. Not even announced. Mind showing me the product page on Apple.com?

 

I'm not taking any sides in this, as I probably wont even be getting any iPhone this year, but I do think that come Sept 9, we will find that the iPhone 5.5 is real, and then you will have to acknowledge that it is indeed for real.

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It would be very nice if Apple were to release two versions of the iP6, identical in every way except for thickness and battery--one would be 3mm thicker and have twice the battery life. Give consumers the option, and see what they REALLY value--thinness or battery.  Personally, I'd rather hug trees than walls.

 

Won't happen.  You do realize that each additional model Apple manufacters will hurt gross profits if the sales price remained the same?  Apple would need to have DOUBLE the machines to product 2 phones that have a different shell, battery, ect.  That's why Apple can keep prices low.  Yes I said low. 

 

Look at Samdung's flagship S5.  It released with the same retail price as the iPhone5S ($199 contract).  Yet it has a POS plastic body and 32 bit chip.  Why?  Because Samdung makes so many different phones they can't afford to sell metal phones at $199. 

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Since you have a hard time comprehending anything- let me express to you what a "bet" is and isn't.

A bet is two parties agreeing to terms

A bet is not one person saying "bet me, bet me" like a child- and the other person never betting.


Huh? 

 

Accepted or not Tallest Ski lost. 

He was adamant that Apple would not release a phablet sized phone because phablet's are a fad and no one wants them.

 

Another member on this forum did agree on my bet.  Thankful he seems true to his word and will self ban for 3 months.  Of course I will probably tell him forget it and be a nice guy.  We need as many good poster here as possible.

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I do not see how Apple could hit all their targets without an IGZO screen, including the thinner body and larger battery. Mark my words, IGZO or this will be a big miss in the battery life department. 

Additionally, we haven't had any screen leaks at all, given we don't know the resolution.


Also, notice I said a 35% bump in screen time. The savings of an IGZO will easily offset the bump in screen area and likely most of the resolution increase (processing).


Calling 14 hours or better on LTE, I wouldn't be surprised to see 15

There have been screen leaks. One of them that is reported to be true shows approximate resolution possibilities. But iOS 8 shows possible resolutions as well. So we do have a pretty good idea of what we might get.

Well, it would be nice if you were correct. But without some real reason to think otherwise, I wouldn't count on more than 10%, and I hope we get that.
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Not that I know of.

Just checked, yeah, it's 8 hours on 3G. Still, that doesn't change the fact that Apple's battery life is mediocre these days.

 

compared to what?  What other normal sized phone (under 5 inches) has a battery that out performs the 5S?

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This is the clearest and most detailed video for the iPhone 6 I've come across yet! What happened to doubling down on secrecy... I wonder what Apple has to say about the physical design being all over the internet.

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=657UeODW178

Apple can't prevent the extremely rare smuggled part. They don't own the factories.

But, did you hear anything at all about Swift before Apple announced it at the developer's conference? No one else did either, and Apple had been working on it for almost three years.
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That’s funny. I seem to remember the iPhone 6 not being released at all. Not even announced. Mind showing me the product page on Apple.com?

 

Denial to the very end.  Impressive.

 

It will be sweet when Apple sells 60,000,000 phablets in its first year and Tallest Ski will be forced to admit that phablets are in demand.

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I do think that come Sept 9, we will find that the iPhone 5.5 is real

 

Same here, unfortunately. Lost potential in an iPod touch.

 

Originally Posted by sog35 View Post

Accepted or not Tallest Ski lost. 

 

Can’t lose what you don’t attempt.

 
He was adamant that Apple would not release a phablet sized phone because phablet's are a fad and no one wants them. 

 

That wasn’t my reasoning.

 
We need as many good poster here as possible.

 

So leave, please.

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