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With Apple design chief Jony Ive reportedly confident of the so-called "iWatch's" chances when pitted against the famous Swiss watchmakers, a new report from analyst Ming-Chi Kuo suggests that Apple will offer its upcoming wearable -- which is unlikely to hit shelves before 2015 -- in at least two sizes with 8 gigabytes of internal storage and a variety of color and material options, including gold

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AppleInsider was first to discover an Apple patent filing describing a watch design with flexible display.


Apple is believed to have readied between two and four options for casing material, KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo wrote in a Thursday morning note to investors, a copy of which was provided to AppleInsider. The company might also offer a gold option, matching the color unveiled with the iPhone 5s and expected to make its way to the iPad Air.

On the technical side, Apple will likely equip the iWatch with 8 gigabytes of internal storage and 512 megabytes of built-in memory. Unlike the rest of Apple's product lines, consumers are not expected to be given a choice of capacities.

The supposedly rectangular device is expected to ship in two sizes, one with a 1.3-inch display and another with a 1.5-inch display. Those dimensions match up with numerous previous rumors that had Apple offering both men's and women's variants, though it is unclear whether that is the manner in which they will be marketed.

Finally, echoing previous rumors, Apple is believed to have packed numerous health and fitness sensors -- including a rear-mounted sensor for measuring heart rate -- into the wrist-worn device.

While the iWatch will likely be unveiled at Apple's Sept. 9 event, Kuo believes that "both software and hardware design challenges" will contribute to a mass production delay that could push availability to 2015. AppleInsider will be on hand at next week's event in Cupertino, Calif., and will bring live coverage of Apple's announcements from inside the Flint Center. For up-to-the-minute alerts, be sure to install the official AppleInsider app on your iPhone and iPad.
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and 512 megabytes of built-in memory

So now what? After displaying the little hand it needs to reload to show the big hand¿

Seriously, apart from RAM, I wasn't expecting it to have any storage at all. So I was wrong.
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So now what? After displaying the little hand it needs to reload to show the big hand¿

Seriously, apart from RAM, I wasn't expecting it to have any storage at all. So I was wrong.
That's assuming Kuo is right. 1wink.gif I swear he's as bad as Samsung throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks.
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8GB seem to be alot, so it must have aps installed beside OS and 8GB is alot of App storage. that is its collecting lots of data which can be transferred later via some means like WiFi.

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OMG, if iWatch doesn't have at least 2GB of RAM, I'm not going to touch it.
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OMG, if iWatch doesn't have at least 2GB of RAM, I'm not going to touch it.

3 would be better.  And a quad-core Snapdragon processor with discrete GPU. ;)

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3 would be better.  And a quad-core Snapdragon processor with discrete GPU. ;)

 

Now, you're talking! 

 

I was thinking 2GB would be the absolute bare-bones minimum - 4GB would rate a 'meh', and 8GB would be getting close.

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If they announce on 9/9/14 but don’t ship till 2015 that’s a big problem for me. It reminds me of Microsoft’s tactics of announcing vaporware in order to stifle a competitor’s sales. If they announce on 9/9/14 they better damn well ship within a reasonable period of time (weeks not months).

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More specs but no hardware/software leaks. Smells fishy. Like halibut.

Yeah 8 GB memory seems like a lot. I can understand the RAM if it is to constantly monitor vitals and such so likely half the RAM will be dedicated to such activities. But it's not like you're going to be running Safari on it. Didn't the first iPad come with 512 RAM?
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So now what? After displaying the little hand it needs to reload to show the big hand¿

Seriously, apart from RAM, I wasn't expecting it to have any storage at all. So I was wrong.

1) Every now and this "leak" game seems to mess up NAND capacity because they read the component value does in bits as bytes, so perhaps what they think are 8 GiBytes are actually 8 Gibits, or 1GiByte.

2) Remember the A7 has 2MiB of RAM on the chip that's separate from the chip with the 1 GiB of RAM? I wonder if that sort of setup could offer speed and power efficiency for a specialized chip for an iWatch.

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If they announce on 9/9/14 but don’t ship till 2015 that’s a big problem for me. It reminds me of Microsoft’s tactics of announcing vaporware in order to stifle a competitor’s sales. If they announce on 9/9/14 they better damn well ship within a reasonable period of time (weeks not months).

Notably, when Apple enters a new product category for the first time, they have announced considerably before they shipped. Both the iPhone and iPad were previewed months before their respective release dates. Also, the current Mac Pro was pre-announced about six months before it actively started shipping in limited quantities.

 

An piece of wearable technology would indeed be a foray into a new product category, and it would not be out of character for Apple to preview the product months before it actually ships.

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I've never bought a first gen product from Apple ever nor intend to begin with this iWatch. It will have to prove itself must-have-worthy within a year to get me interested in buying gen2 which will most likely be thinner, lighter and faster anyways.
 
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8GB seem to be alot, so it must have aps installed beside OS and 8GB is alot of App storage. that is its collecting lots of data which can be transferred later via some means like WiFi.

On an iPhone, iOS 8 beta 5 takes 8GB. I suspect the released version will take 6-7GB.

Certainly, an iWatch will have less hardware to support (no GPS, cell radio, etc.?) smaller buffers, less sophisticated multitasking and device management ...

I suspect that iOS iWatch will take 3-4GB storage. That leaves 4-5GB for apps and data ... not too bad ... and the iPhone/iPad in your pocket/purse/backpack can be used for supplemental data storage for the iWatch (mail, messages, calendar, HealthKit, etc.).
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I've never bought a first gen product from Apple ever nor intend to begin with this iWatch. It will have to prove itself must-have-worthy within a year to get me interested in buying gen2 which will most likely be thinner, lighter and faster anyways.

I stood in line on day 1 and bought 2 8BG original iPhones.

Didn't you buy an original iPhone?
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I've never bought a first gen product from Apple ever nor intend to begin with this iWatch. It will have to prove itself must-have-worthy within a year to get me interested in buying gen2 which will most likely be thinner, lighter and faster anyways.

I have, and almost always switched to the next variant when it became available. I didn't get the original AIR (2008) - but did get subsequent ones.

Sure the gen2 are almost always better - but then you have to wait a year or so. Life is short, enjoy what you can when you can.

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Lots of breaking news today that isn't really breaking.  Or news.  But I hope Kuo is right.

 

I will find it a bit odd if they announce an updated iPad Air on the same day as the iPhone 6, along with an iWatch.  If they're doing this, there must be something big(ger) planned for October...

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I've never bought a first gen product from Apple ever nor intend to begin with this iWatch. It will have to prove itself must-have-worthy within a year to get me interested in buying gen2 which will most likely be thinner, lighter and faster anyways.

 

Then you're going to miss out on a lot of fun. We bought our first iPhone the first day they were available back in June 2007, and not only did our phone operate perfectly for the two plus years we used it (still have it safely tucked away), we had fun being in line with all the other early adopters. The excitement in the air was truly palpable. The only hitch in the whole matter was having to wait for a couple of days for AT&T to get their stuff together so we could use the iPhone. 

 

Also, I bought my first iPad the day they went on sale. Worked perfectly for two years when we passed it on to our granddaughter and we bought my iPad "3".

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Does anyone else realize that all the Apple news/rumors blogs report on Ming-Chi Kuo when we really have no idea who this person is?

 

What investment firm does Ming-Ching Kuo work for? Does this company and this person actually exist? For all we know Kuo might be a pseudonym. Do we know what this person looks like? Do we even know if Ming-Chi Kuo is a man or woman (not that it really matters)?

 

We give so much weight to this analysts predictions and notes when we have no idea of the persons background and qualifications.

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Does anyone else realize that all the Apple news/rumors blogs report on Ming-Chi Kuo when we really have no idea who this person is?

 

What investment firm does Ming-Ching Kuo work for? Does this company and this person actually exist? For all we know Kuo might be a pseudonym. Do we know what this person looks like? Do we even know if Ming-Chi Kuo is a man or woman (not that it really matters)?

 

We give so much weight to this analysts predictions and notes when we have no idea of the persons background and qualifications.

 

 KGI Securities...we know as much about him as we do Katy Huberty, Brian White or Gene "Apple TV is coming this year!" Munster.

 

A simple search could have told you this.

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OMG, if iWatch doesn't have at least 2GB of RAM, I'm not going to touch it.

Perhaps we aren't support to touch her, but only talk to her. Her being Siri, that is.

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So now what? After displaying the little hand it needs to reload to show the big hand¿

Seriously, apart from RAM, I wasn't expecting it to have any storage at all. So I was wrong.

1) Every now and this "leak" game seems to mess up NAND capacity because they read the component value does in bits as bytes, so perhaps what they think are 8 GiBytes are actually 8 Gibits, or 1GiByte.

2) Remember the A7 has 2MiB of RAM on the chip that's separate from the chip with the 1 GiB of RAM? I wonder if that sort of setup could offer speed and power efficiency for a specialized chip for an iWatch.

Good points, these differences can indeed be screwed up by analysts. Actually an understandable mistake, I mean, how are they supposed to the the difference between b and B without much IT knowledge?

I'm already having a hard time figuring out what an iWatch will do (yes yes Relic, little hand is for hours, big hand for minutes lol) But somehow I don't think it'll be a truly standalone type of device. I still think it'll work in congruence with an iPhone
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OMG, if iWatch doesn't have at least 2GB of RAM, I'm not going to touch it.

As long as it comes with a USB and Thunderbolt connectivity I'm happy. 

 
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... 8 GiBytes are actually 8 Gibits.

You mean Giblets, right? An iWatch with a reversible USB and 8 Giblets.... Awesome!

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As long as it comes with a USB and Thunderbolt connectivity I'm happy. 

You mean Giblets, right? An iWatch with a reversible USB and 8 Giblets.... Awesome!

 

I'm totally expecting iWatch to have a serial port as well. If it doesn't > epic fail !

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On an iPhone, iOS 8 beta 5 takes 8GB. I suspect the released version will take 6-7GB.

 

Wait! You're saying iOS 8 will take up about 6-7GB of storage space?

 

I find that extremely hard to believe when iOS 7 uses less than 3GB.

 

I'm going to guess the beta is a "catch-all" and is not optimized for each particular model like final releases are.

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For those of you that are wondering why the 8 GB of storage space is needed, consider the enhanced dictation space requirements on the Mac. Siri will be fully functioning on the watch without the need to process speech remotely.

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If they announce on 9/9/14 but don’t ship till 2015 that’s a big problem for me. It reminds me of Microsoft’s tactics of announcing vaporware in order to stifle a competitor’s sales. If they announce on 9/9/14 they better damn well ship within a reasonable period of time (weeks not months).

 

Two points. First, unlike some other vendors Apple is not really in the habit of announcing vaporware; anything they announce tends to come out. Second, it will by definition be several months before it can come out since it hasn't gone through FCC yet. Even if Apple is sitting on a stockpile of watches that are ready to sell, they can't do so until they have approval from the FCC, and they haven't submitted it to prevent the FCC from leaking its specifications early.

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For those of you that are wondering why the 8 GB of storage space is needed, consider the enhanced dictation space requirements on the Mac. Siri will be fully functioning on the watch without the need to process speech remotely.

 

Not to mention that they will want storage space for at least some apps. The device isn't a phone, but it is likely to integrate with various home automation services, Apple's new financial service, all the health stuff, and so on. Then there is the matter of alternate clock faces and so on~

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I'm thinking this is kind of a smart dumb terminal for the iPhone. With that much storage, it could probably cache data without needing a network connection like BTLE.

Or, yes, this could all be bogus conjecture.
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Two points. First, unlike some other vendors Apple is not really in the habit of announcing vaporware; anything they announce tends to come out. Second, it will by definition be several months before it can come out since it hasn't gone through FCC yet. Even if Apple is sitting on a stockpile of watches that are ready to sell, they can't do so until they have approval from the FCC, and they haven't submitted it to prevent the FCC from leaking its specifications early.
And likely they haven't stockpiled the devices as they may have to change something to get FCC approval. Unlikely, but still possible.
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Announcing this product now, with delivery in 2015 is bad news for other other vendors who rushed their "smart watch" products to market. Apple's product will effectively freeze the market, and won't hurt any current Apple product sales, since they don't currently compete in the category.

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Seriously, apart from RAM, I wasn't expecting it to have any storage at all. So I was wrong.

 

I pretty much assumed that if it has anything to do with fitness it will at the very least have storage for music.

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You mean Giblets, right? An iWatch with a reversible USB and 8 Giblets.... Awesome!

 

Sounds like it's coming pre-loaded with Quake.

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On an iPhone, iOS 8 beta 5 takes 8GB. I suspect the released version will take 6-7GB.

Certainly, an iWatch will have less hardware to support (no GPS, cell radio, etc.?) smaller buffers, less sophisticated multitasking and device management ...

I suspect that iOS iWatch will take 3-4GB storage. That leaves 4-5GB for apps and data ... not too bad ... and the iPhone/iPad in your pocket/purse/backpack can be used for supplemental data storage for the iWatch (mail, messages, calendar, HealthKit, etc.).

Okay that does not make sense since Apple claimed that iOS 8 will work in the iphone 4 and they came in 8GB configs. I doubt apple will say it only works on the 16GB models 

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Two points. First, unlike some other vendors Apple is not really in the habit of announcing vaporware; anything they announce tends to come out. Second, it will by definition be several months before it can come out since it hasn't gone through FCC yet. Even if Apple is sitting on a stockpile of watches that are ready to sell, they can't do so until they have approval from the FCC, and they haven't submitted it to prevent the FCC from leaking its specifications early.

Tends to come out, sure, but new product categories have not come out right away.

Apple TV reveal: 12-SEP-2006
Apple TV release: 21-MAR-2007
Time between release: 175 days

iPhone reveal: 09-JAN-2007
iPhone release: 29-JUN-2007
Time between release: 171 days

iPad (WiFi) reveal: 27-JAN-2010
iPad (WiFi) release: 04-APR-2010
Time between release: 66 days

iPad (3G) reveal: 27-JAN-2010
iPad (3G) release: 30-APR-2010
Time between release: 93 days


And even for major revamps of an existing product category.

Mac Pro reveal: 10-JUN-2013
Mac Pro release: 19-DEC-2013
Time between release: 192 days


Only the iPod was announced and released on the same day but you need remember Apple's business was considerably smaller back then, had much fewer people scrutinizing every move they make, and was only available for Mac users. That simply isn't feasible today which is why we have leaks from China every year. Furthermore, if Apple wants to get various companies on board they will need some lead time to get everything ironed out.

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Munster is to Apple TV set as Kuo is to the iwatch. Any day now they might be right. Hahahaha.
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I pretty much assumed that if it has anything to do with fitness it will at the very least have storage for music.

I like reading everyones take on what it can or may do! Tnx
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Munster is to Apple TV set as Kuo is to the iwatch. Any day now they might be right. Hahahaha.

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On an iPhone, iOS 8 beta 5 takes 8GB. I suspect the released version will take 6-7GB.

Wait! You're saying iOS 8 will take up about 6-7GB of storage space?

I find that extremely hard to believe when iOS 7 uses less than 3GB.

I'm going to guess the beta is a "catch-all" and is not optimized for each particular model like final releases are.

Here's my 64 GB iPhone 5:




Oddly, my iPhone 5S shows .6GB less for OS 8 -- probably dropping 32-bit cruft.


In any case, this is a beta with lot's of extra code for debugging, etc. I suspect that the released version will be skinnied down quite a bit -- but don't have any idea how much,

Since we don't have a GM, I assume that there are things in the iOS8 to be shown on Tuesday that are not in the developer beta -- sophisticated payment/security capability, 2-up app display, drag and drop, stylus support, advanced 64-bit graphics support ...

It could well be that iOS 8 will run close to iOS 7 size on all current iDevices -- and be larger for new A8 iDevices -- which, likely, will have larger minimum storage.
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I've never bought a first gen product from Apple ever nor intend to begin with this iWatch. It will have to prove itself must-have-worthy within a year to get me interested in buying gen2 which will most likely be thinner, lighter and faster anyways.

 

Thats amazing. Please keep us posted on what Apple needs to do, for the possibility of getting you personally interested in their products, I'm on the edge of my seat here. I'm sure everyone at Apple is sweating night and day about "proving themselves" to you. 

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Is it going to have a Lightning port for charging/restoring?

 

I imagine so. I just don't like the idea of taking it off every day to charge it. My iPod Nano watch did not last long with me for that exact reason.

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I pretty much assumed that if it has anything to do with fitness it will at the very least have storage for music.


Why on earth would an iPhone accessory that you wear on your wrist have storage for music?

 

Explain how that makes any sense at all.

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