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In case you haven't noticed the imac is dead, played out,kaput! Apple should discontinue the line, and not waste any resources building an lcd model! Watch if apple developes an lcd imac it will go the way of the cube! A total waste of money and resources! No one wants an imac anymore! Your not going to convert pc users to the apple platform with an lcd imac! Try building cheaper computers! Their prices are insane! Case in point:Gateway sells an all in one lcd unit now the profile 3 model! It's not a big seller! An lcd imac=cube!
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[quote]Originally posted by rbald:
<strong>In case you haven't noticed the imac is dead, played out,kaput! Apple should discontinue the line, and not waste any resources building an lcd model! Watch if apple developes an lcd imac it will go the way of the cube! A total waste of money and resources! No one wants an imac anymore! Your not going to convert pc users to the apple platform with an lcd imac! Try building cheaper computers! Their prices are insane! Case in point:Gateway sells an all in one lcd unit now the profile 3 model! It's not a big seller! An lcd imac=cube! </strong><hr></blockquote>


Umm...no. the iMac is the reason Apple is still in business today. And, it DID convert MANY PC users when it was introduced.

It is time for refresh, and I big one at that. If no iMac, then what? They need to have a consumer line. The PowerMac is intended for Power Users and Pros.

Discontinue the iMac....yeah, SUPERB IDEA THERE.

How about someone discontinues his user account?
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post #3 of 87
obviously this is just flame bait but....

why would apple throw away one of the most recognizable electronic product names in american culture now?
post #4 of 87
I agree with Applenut.

Thread stays open though. Just let it drop out of sight.
post #5 of 87
Idiot.

And maybe Harley Davidson will drop the Sportster. And while we're at it, Volkswagon may as well drop the Beetle.

And I hear that McDonald's is getting tired of the whole Big Mac thing too.



The iMac isn't going ANYWHERE. What it's ABOUT to do, is come roaring back in a breathtaking, ass-kicking incarnation and will once again regain its rightful place as the symbol of all that is cool and right at Apple.



The product that saved Apple's bacon and is, in the eyes of MILLIONS, THE symbol of the company just doesn't get whacked because a few hammerheads think it's not cool anymore.

Doesn't work that way.
post #6 of 87
As long as the iMac gets an LCD and good specs why wouldn't it sell? Why wouldn't it convert PC users? I think the main reason why the iMac isn't selling as good as it used to is because it isn't worth the money right now.
post #7 of 87
By the way, it's iMac...not Imac or I-MAC or whatever.

If you can't write it correctly (it's only the most visible goddamn computer ever), then you don't get comment on its future and utility.

New rule.

post #8 of 87
[quote]Originally posted by pscates:
<strong>By the way, it's iMac...not Imac or I-MAC or whatever.

If you can't write it correctly (it's only the most visible goddamn computer ever), then you don't get comment on its future and utility.

New rule.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Good rule. When it comes to a thread like this and the starter spells iMac they way that he did it just makes the starter of the topic look like an idiot.
post #9 of 87
Following your logic, PC's should drop mIcrosOft M$ hasn't done shit, it's kaput, windows is played out. Time to move on and over to the real X. OS X.
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post #10 of 87
The iMac is a consumer desktop. Should Apple stop making consumer desktops? Should they drop the name "iMac?" Should they drop the idea of an all-in-one computer? Should they drop the idea of a an easy-to-use (and set-up) computer? Should they drop the idea of a computer as a fashion statement? Should they drop the current "jelly bean" form of the iMac? Aren't we assuming that the only thing that will change in the new iMac is its monitor? Isn't this a silly assumption?
post #11 of 87
The iMac, in its current incarnation, is "played out."

In practice, Apple isn't a company to keep products around for sentimental reasons (take a look at the Apple product history if you don't believe me).

The current iMac will stay around for probably two years. It still, as far as the education market goes, a lucrative money maker.

Apple needs a new consumer product. Whether this new product carries the iMac name, which it probably won't, or be called the iMac II, is a largely irrelevant semantic argument that has no bearing on Apple's future, financial or otherwise.

What matters, is that Apple produces an entirely new prodcuts, that encapsulates the best design and engineering principles of the iMac, yet is informed by circa 2002 design principles.

Don't be so hard on the thread starter. Some of what he says is correct. The iMac is played out. The major purchasers of the iMac do so in bulk quantities, like schools and businesses who need cheap, reliable terminals. Its clear that the market increases Apple seeks cannot and will not be obtained in these markets. Such increases will, by most measures, come from gains in the consumer markets. Hence Apple's emphasis on retail stores--and such redoubled efforts into this market will require products that are clearly distinguishable, both in the marketing and engineering senses, from the low-margin, low-value products that HP, Compaq and Sony push at BestBuy and CompUSA. Taking market share from these PC OEMS will not be possible by waging a price war: this much is evident from Gateway's financial woes and Dell's shift to a income scheme that places a higher reliance on the sales of service and peripherals. Stealing market share will require value-adding in the form of new features and compelling features. One of the most instantly visible features that instills value in a computer is the LCD screen. Practical or not, its difficult for consumers to distinguish between processors and buses (why else would P4s on a SDRAM bus sell so well?)...and they are coming to rely on other features to distinguish computers from one another. Adding a G4 or a fast bus or a superdrive won't help iMac sales...because consumers (most anyway) fail to understand that the difference between such an iMac and the one that debuted almost four years ago. Such advanced features need a marker...be it a new name and/or a new enclosure. Only by enticing consumers with looks and style, can Apple engange the consumers in a technical argument about the advantages of the Apple experience.

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post #12 of 87
Agreed, except for that SuperDrive part. If the average Joe Schmoe knows he can burn DVD movies via the SuperDrive on a $1499 machine as cool as the new LCD iMac, he will more than likely be sold, as opposed to just being like "Whoa cool! I like that." with a SuperDrive-less iMac.

Let's just hope there IS a SuperDrive.

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post #13 of 87
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[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>As long as the iMac gets an LCD and good specs why wouldn't it sell? Why wouldn't it convert PC users? I think the main reason why the iMac isn't selling as good as it used to is because it isn't worth the money right now.</strong><hr></blockquote>Apple has 3% of the market! So how many pc users has it converted? Dah! Answer 0!!! What Apple keeps doing is reselling to the installed base!

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[quote]Originally posted by pscates:
<strong>Idiot.

And maybe Harley Davidson will drop the Sportster. And while we're at it, Volkswagon may as well drop the Beetle.

And I hear that McDonald's is getting tired of the whole Big Mac thing too.



The iMac isn't going ANYWHERE. What it's ABOUT to do, is come roaring back in a breathtaking, ass-kicking incarnation and will once again regain its rightful place as the symbol of all that is cool and right at Apple.



The product that saved Apple's bacon and is, in the eyes of MILLIONS, THE symbol of the company just doesn't get whacked because a few hammerheads think it's not cool anymore.

Doesn't work that way.</strong><hr></blockquote>Oh yea your the guy who kept telling everyone what a big seller the cube was going to be! Ha,Ha, what a joke that was!
post #15 of 87
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[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
<strong>


Umm...no. the iMac is the reason Apple is still in business today. And, it DID convert MANY PC users when it was introduced.

It is time for refresh, and I big one at that. If no iMac, then what? They need to have a consumer line. The PowerMac is intended for Power Users and Pros.

Discontinue the iMac....yeah, SUPERB IDEA THERE.

How about someone discontinues his user account?</strong><hr></blockquote>Oh really! How many pc users got converted with Apples market share at a pathetic 3% sherlock?

post #16 of 87
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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>obviously this is just flame bait but....

why would apple throw away one of the most recognizable electronic product names in american culture now?</strong><hr></blockquote>Your problem is that you can't take any criticism! Apple's not converting any pc users to the mac os with the imac! Or any other computer! What Apple does is keep selling to their installed base over and over again! Which bears out 3% market share!

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[quote]Originally posted by rbald:
<strong>Apple has 3% of the market! So how many pc users has it converted?

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hey, idiot. Apple has 5%, not 3%. And thats the overall market. In education, they're % is much higher. And please dont scuff at 5%. As apple has said and i agree with, thats just as much as Mercedes has in America. Dont be such an ass.
post #18 of 87
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[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>Following your logic, PC's should drop mIcrosOft M$ hasn't done shit, it's kaput, windows is played out. Time to move on and over to the real X. OS X.</strong><hr></blockquote>
In case you haven't noticed Microsoft has 95% of the pc market and rules the world! Apple has a pathetic 3% and is always one quarter away from going out of business!!
post #19 of 87
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[quote]Originally posted by SameOldSht:
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Hey, idiot. Apple has 5%, not 3%. And thats the overall market. In education, they're % is much higher. And please dont scuff at 5%. As apple has said and i agree with, thats just as much as Mercedes has in America. Dont be such an ass.</strong><hr></blockquote> No, it's down to 3%! Their pathetic!
post #20 of 87
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What Apple needs to do is lower their prices, and stop ripping people off! That's what Apple does best! Ripping off their installed base!!!!!!!!! What a circle jerk! What person in their right mind would buy an Apple computer when they can have a windows computer for half the price! Remember the cube it went for $1700 and didn't sell! Then Apple lowered it to $1299 and the piece of junk still didn't sell! What a laugh!!

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post #21 of 87
I like your new troll, 68K. He actually makes sense this time.

There is no point in arguing with a troll, so leave this thread alone.
post #22 of 87
[quote]Originally posted by rbald:
<strong>Oh yea your the guy who kept telling everyone what a big seller the cube was going to be! Ha,Ha, what a joke that was!</strong><hr></blockquote>

You got me confused with someone else, pal.

As cool as I thought the Cube was, I had my doubts about it from day one (due to the pricing and all).

I dug it (and wish I had one, actually), but I was by no means "the guy who kept telling everyone how big it was going to sell...".



Wrong guy...check the archives, Sparky.
post #23 of 87
As a matter of fact, I seem to recall using terms like "overpriced Sharper Image toy" and so forth to describe it.

I wasn't that generous to the Cube, actually.
post #24 of 87
Do I see a MaDToOl 2?
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[quote]Originally posted by rbald:
<strong>What Apple needs to do is lower their prices, and stop ripping people off! That's what Apple does best! Ripping off their installed base!!!!!!!!! What a circle jerk! What person in their right mind would buy an Apple computer when they can have a windows computer for half the price! Remember the cube it went for $1700 and didn't sell! Then Apple lowered it to $1299 and the piece of junk still didn't sell! What a laugh!!

[ 12-13-2001: Message edited by: rbald ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think most of the people here at AI have Macs so obviously people buy them.
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[quote]Originally posted by rbald:
<strong>Oh really! How many pc users got converted with Apples market share at a pathetic 3% sherlock?

</strong><hr></blockquote>

don't know the latest numbers but in the past 30% of the iMacs sales were to first time mac users and that 30 percent was split about evenly from new users and wintel switchers. that's not bad at all.

but where Apple excels in is their core markets which are education, creative professional and consumer. in those three areas they do extremely well. if you don't include enteprise in marketshare numbers Apple would have a much more significant market share. And considering they really don't go after the enterprise market at all that's not too bad
post #27 of 87
[quote]Originally posted by rbald:
<strong>Oh really! How many pc users got converted with Apples market share at a pathetic 3% sherlock?

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Wow guys...he just took us ALL to school, didn't he?

Listen up youngster, uncle sdw2001 is going to teach you a few things:

1) Their market share is 5% overall, over 50% in education...50 ****ing percent and growing....

2) The percentage of market share is not an appropriate number to use when answering the question of "how many pc users have been converted" or even "how many people bought an iMac instead of a PC" . The reason is that you, like the troll you are, are assuming that the total number of PC users stayed the same while Apple's percentage shrunk. Not true. Though they have lost a few points in recent years, the total number of PC users over the last five years has SKYROCKETED. It is just that more people have bought PC's than Macs.....in other words, the PC market grew at a faster rate than the Mac market did.

That doesn't mean Apple failed at winning over users. In fact there, installed base has most likely increased in terms of actual numbers. Although, they do sell quite a bit to their installed base and I for one do think they need an increase in marketshare.

What good was Apple's 7-10% share when they lost $700 million one quarter? Now, with a 5% share they are consistently profiting.

Also, you write:

[quote] Apple is always one quarter away from going out of business <hr></blockquote>

umm...no. They have $4B in the bank and aren't going anywhere.

The last part of our lesson today is: please don't reply-quote to to EVERY freakin person whilst making the SAME point in every one of your posts. We can all read ALL of your posts if we choose, though I may not choose to in the future. We can see your lame-ass comments for EACH reply, so there is no need to make the same GD argument each time in the same thread......

Your homework is to read "how to stop being a troll", chapter 16: "Not posting on mac-centric web sites". Your understanding of Apple and computer's in general, expressed in percentage terms, is lower than Apple's market share.

Class dismissed.

[ 12-13-2001: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]</p>
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post #28 of 87
***RINGGGGGGG*** Go catch the bus, rbald!

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[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>

don't know the latest numbers but in the past 30% of the iMacs sales were to first time mac users and that 30 percent was split about evenly from new users and wintel switchers. that's not bad at all.

but where Apple excels in is their core markets which are education, creative professional and consumer. in those three areas they do extremely well. if you don't include enteprise in marketshare numbers Apple would have a much more significant market share. And considering they really don't go after the enterprise market at all that's not too bad</strong><hr></blockquote>Yea! You believe that? Sounds like another steve jobs megahertz don't count speech! What a joke that is!!!! The creative professional is the only market that apple has complete control of! Which accounts for about 2% of their total 3% market share!
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[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
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umm...no. They have $4B in the bank and aren't going anywhere.

The last part of our lesson today is: please don't reply-quote to to EVERY freakin person whilst making the SAME point in every one of your posts. We can all read ALL of your posts if we choose, though I may not choose to in the future. We can see your lame-ass comments for EACH reply, so there is no need to make the same GD argument each time in the same thread......

Your homework is to read "how to stop being a troll", chapter 16: "Not posting on mac-centric web sites". Your understanding of Apple and computer's in general, expressed in percentage terms, is lower than Apple's market share.

Class dismissed.

[ 12-13-2001: Message edited by: SDW2001 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yea i can't understand why anyone would pay twice as much for an apple computer with very little software,and on top of that most of the software is ported over from windows! Which means it runs like crap! And you pay more for the apple version of software than you would for the windows version!! What is that about??? It's insane!!!!!
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post #31 of 87
[edit: never mind...sigh...]

[ 12-14-2001: Message edited by: pscates ]</p>
post #32 of 87
dude, you're so not worthy of the stoner smilie. stoners don't use PCs. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
post #33 of 87
[quote]Originally posted by rbald:
<strong>Your problem is that you can't take any criticism! Apple's not converting any pc users to the mac os with the imac! Or any other computer! What Apple does is keep selling to their installed base over and over again! Which bears out 3% market share!

</strong><hr></blockquote>

He still cannot get "iMac" right...LOL

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post #34 of 87
if you dont like apple buy a pc and **** off.Me im geting a mac.


You should be happy using youre stupid white boxes and windows softare.

Me ill be using the coolest OS ever.

Like they say

Apple thinks different.
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[quote]Originally posted by rbald:
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Yea i can't understand why anyone would pay twice as much for an apple computer with very little software,and on top of that most of the software is ported over from windows! Which means it runs like crap! And you pay more for the apple version of software than you would for the windows version!! What is that about??? It's insane!!!!!
</strong><hr></blockquote>

1) The pro towers are overpriced, I agree. But that is because they have an update that is coming....maybe even a very big update.

2) Very little software---See, if you believe that, then you are just not very well informed. Yes,there are more total titles for Windows. But, the number of good, usable software is not much different. You are just like every other stupid PC troll that comes in here...you think that because there isn't much Mac software in, say, Best Buy, then there must not be that much. The fact is that even with a 5% market share Apple has tons of apps available. You can buy from them, the mac distributors, and soon Apple retail locations. You can also find almost anything online. Do a search on cnet downloads under Mac and see what happens. I don't even want to think of all the shitty, non-functional system destroying windows software I have used.

3) Software runs like crap? What software? Office runs great even in classic mode. Games almost never crash for me. Ported over from Windows? I don't even think you know what that means. Even if it has been, it still runs and usually runs just fine. Try photoshop and see what it runs like compared to Windows.

Does Windows have usable, stable apps like iTunes and iMovie? These may sound like kiddy play to you, but I have used them and share the opinion of many that they are not only easy to use but are GREAT apps that just keep getting better. Internet Explorer's interface is awesome on the Mac. It is even more stable than before. How about developers like Adobe, Macromedia, Disney and Blizzard...do THEY ignore the Mac?

This isn't just my opinion and every one else's here against yours. It is that your arguments just aren't true. Not even a litte bit! You are totally uninformed.

FINAL GRADE IN ANTI-TROLL CLASS: 12%

Stuff I use:

Office 2001
Office 98
AOL Instant Messenger for OSX
Internet Explorer
Quicktime (ported TO Windows, BTW)
Mail (included and free storage/retrieval of msg's)
iTunes
iMovie
TextEdit
Photoshop
Music Time Deluxe (for notation of music)
StarCraft
Acrobat Reader

..and that is just the everyday stuff I use. This represents probably 1/10,000 of what is available. Ever heard of Filemaker? How about Final Cut Pro? Appleworks? iDVD? Norton Anti Virus? (not that we need it, troll). After Effects? Illustrator? InDesign?

Yep, your right. No software. Bad software. My mistake!

Don't even get me started on Web software and education software. We'd be here all day.
Have a nice day, Mr. Troll.

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post #36 of 87
more importantly....how many computer companies have been around as long as apple?? where's packard bell?? how much longer will compac be around?? what profits are dell and gateway making?? apple basically started the personal computer "and" the professional-user computer...they have a very loyal user base and make a profit with lots of cash in the bank...yipee for them...i know everyone would like them to sell their computers cheaper (so would i), but even if they are more expensive than wintel systems, but run better, are more stable and look a hell of a lot better; i know i'll, and many others, will keep buying them..g
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[quote]Originally posted by thegelding:
<strong>more importantly....how many computer companies have been around as long as apple?? where's packard bell?? how much longer will compac be around?? what profits are dell and gateway making?? apple basically started the personal computer "and" the professional-user computer...they have a very loyal user base and make a profit with lots of cash in the bank...yipee for them...i know everyone would like them to sell their computers cheaper (so would i), but even if they are more expensive than wintel systems, but run better, are more stable and look a hell of a lot better; i know i'll, and many others, will keep buying them..g</strong><hr></blockquote>


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post #38 of 87
What an entertaining thread. A 10 year old with a crappy user name gets his knickers in a twist for the fact his slut mother bought him a cheap pc, now he's trying to justify his denial by saying apples are sh!te..... and we all bite and answer the mutherfvck... What a laugh, keep it coming, who need dope when you can smoke this!

BTW, I used to use a PC laptop before I bought an iMac.
post #39 of 87
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[quote]Originally posted by Robby:
<strong>if you dont like apple buy a pc and **** off.Me im geting a mac.


You should be happy using youre stupid white boxes and windows softare.

Me ill be using the coolest OS ever.

Like they say

Apple thinks different.</strong><hr></blockquote>Apple computers are more for women! What with all those goofy and pretty little colors!
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[quote]Originally posted by Robby:
<strong>if you dont like apple buy a pc and **** off.Me im geting a mac.


You should be happy using youre stupid white boxes and windows softare.

Me ill be using the coolest OS ever.

Like they say

Apple thinks different.</strong><hr></blockquote>
NO! The bottom line is 3% market share!!!
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