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post #81 of 138
[quote]Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon:
<strong>...and free love That 'worked' too.

I'm sorry Rok that you're having a hard time coming to terms with the real world. I think it'll be a nice premium service to sell to switchers in Apple stores.



Y'know...like 'extended warranties'

Out numbered? Well, people do like a free lunch. Certainly, those 2 million subscribers will fall away dramatically. But many will bend over and take it.

We pay for 'bottled', sorry, 'Mineral' water don't we?



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that "real world" comment was a cheap shot, and i know a free lunch doesn't last forever. my fault for thinking that appel could stick to its guns regardless.

no, i don't pay for mineral water. i buy a brita pitcher, 'cause its a way better value. and i think i said i support a tiered system that's geared to what people need, too. i'm not totally unreasonable. premiums are fine, but i guess that i feel that at least one free email account these days is a damn-near right when you spend so much on isp's and operating systems and hardware already.

i guess i'll fix all of this once i get my web server and email server running from my mac one of these days. whenever i get the time.

also, from a pr standpoint, this hurts, and you can't deny that. now anything that is "free" that apple offers can suddenly turn not-so-free in the future. and now customers know that apple is not immune to that.
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post #82 of 138
Haven't read all of the posts in this thread, but I saw many people discussing free e-mail. I've been using Myrealbox, it gives 10 MB for e-mail, no spam (haven't received 1 junk mail yet), POP3/IMAP access, and it's free. One catch - Novell uses it as a testing bed for its NetMail product, so there's occasionally (maybe once every couple weeks for 30 min.) periods where you can't get the e-mail.

It's a pretty good e-mail service, and I'm very pleased with it.
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post #83 of 138
because it was promised for free, and now, once everyone has been using it as a switch selling point, it's now gone. it is NOT that same thing as whining about getting something for free.

Sorry, you have a point, but it's unproductive to take Apples' insensitivity on this personally. I've come to grips with the fact that in the future, nothing will be free, and I'm just going to work toward making sure that the good guys are rich enough to stay in the game. Other futures are just too depressing.
post #84 of 138
Whether this $99/year subscription service is good or bad for Apple, time will tell.

However, it signals to me that Apple have given up trying to make money in the PC business. You'll all remember that Apple floated free iTools as a very good reason why someone should by a Mac. Apparently, they no longer think that's the case or at least don't think any Wintel user would justify it as a reason to switch (or for a few to not switch to a Wintel box).

I've been as loyal of a Mac user that there is for 15 years now but all of the "throw-ins" that make owning a Mac a smart decision appear to no longer be "throw-ins" -- especially considering that the same $99 will get a Wintel owner a subscription, too (OK, it doesn't have Virex).

Take away the one time $50 discount for current iTools users and then you'll see that what Steve Jobs announced today was his plan to extract $228 from most Mac users in the next two months.

I don't think the loyal Mac users are going to be happy when they realize that they're being asked to pony up a lot of money and absolutely none of it is for what Apple has implicitely asked us to do in the past -- buy a new Macintosh computer.
post #85 of 138
Well I don't think I'll be paying this. And here are my reasons :

1.) I don't use my iDisk, iCards, or the "web hosting" that apple has.

2.) I won't use a Virus scanner. I won't use a backup utility.

3.) I won't pay 100 a year for an e-Mail address.

What they should've done is made it a big hosting plan. I use MediaTemple for my webhosting and e-Mail but I still use my mac.com e-Mail for family and friends so it doesn't get all spammed up. If Apple told me

100 MB and 5 e-Mail accounts. PHP and MySQL enabled, 10 GB transfer a month, web stats, and the rest of .mac services

then I'd be happy. I'd also be happy if they kept the original iTools service for people that don't need all that extra crap. Now my OS X apps won't function as well as they could because I don't feel the need for a .mac account. mail.app won't integrate so nice as it does with the mac.com mail, iPhoto, all that...you're kinda screwed now.

I guess that's their plan. Like your iApps? Want them to function correctly? Pay us 100 bucks a year.

So if I could tell them one thing....

Offer more, or give a discounted option.
post #86 of 138
What Apple should have done is keep iTools free, and start charging $$$ for iApp updates. I would gladly pay a software fee to OWN these apps (I paid my $29.99 for Quicktime pro), and this plan would at least give me the choice of using what I already have.

Instead, we get iBackup that only works after it has checked with Apple to see if it is OK. I downloaded Backup and tried it, and the first thing that happened was a verification of my iTools account.
post #87 of 138
"The first hit is always free."

I usually don't have a problem spending more money than I should. It's a rather nice talent I have, actually. Heck, I even have a *.*.name address that I never use.

What bugs me about this is Apple gave it to you, let you get comfortable with it, and now they're saying:

"You like-a da email? You wanna more email? You wanna 100MB? Let's see some cash."

So, what's next?

If dot-mac goes over well, what will we pay for next?

iTunes?
iMovie?

"You like-a da iSync? $25, cash, please."

I don't mind Apple running their business the way they see fit. I just don't like my chain getting yanked.

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post #88 of 138
I wont be doing the .Mac thing anytime soon.

I woke up to this news this AM and was disgusted at Apple. Then, after the keynote, I saw where they are going.

.Mac doesn't make any sense today, its basically the same thing we have been getting for free. But Apple will continue to release SW the relies on .Mac (iCal, iPhoto). Then we will all get it because it will offer some real value.

I am irritated at the fact that there is no basic (no-frills) membership that comes w/the purchase of OSX. They could have decreased the iDisk size (say 10MB), limited the number of webpages you could have, and still included basic email for free. Yes, F-R-E-E.

It would have been a very cool extension of the Mac. After all, there is a keyboard shortcut for iDisk. What happens if you dont pay? Does the key-combo not work?
post #89 of 138
[quote]Originally posted by Retrograde:
<strong>

poor taylor obviously isn't very poor!

I, on the other hand, am in no position to pay for this even if I would like to. You people complaining at the whiners for not looking at the "reality" of times ought to reflect upon the fact that perhaps they are: reflecting upon the reality of their own financial situations.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Wait a second!
:eek:

You are actually arguing that Apple run its business according to your financial situations?

They are a business.. not a government charity hand out program.

Don't make get all 'Atlas Shrugged' on you.
post #90 of 138
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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$8.30/mth for what?
A POP e-mail account.
Anti-virus software. (Crappy anti-virus software at that)
A backup application. (Yet-to-be-seen, guaranteed to be not worth $50 as quoted on their site)
Webhosting
100MB online storage.
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You can find both Backup and iDisk Utility in your iDisk (~/Software/Apple Software). I'm installing Backup now...

Okay, it's preconfigured to automatically backup:
Address Book contacts
Internet Explorer settings
Keychain
various file types in user home folder (AW, Excel, ppt,FMPro...)
iTunes playlists
files on desktop

You can schedule your backups (default is between midnight and 2am!), and there's a graphic display showing how much iDisk space you're using.

Looks, er, okay. Utilitarian, as a utility should be!
post #91 of 138
[quote]Originally posted by craig12co:
<strong>i understand that those services cost money. but i don't WANT them. i just want free email.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Who says email is FREE? It was because Apple gave it to you; now they ask you to pay. If you don't want to pay, then go out and sign up for one of the zillions of free and reliable email services you seem to think ring the planet. <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
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post #92 of 138
[quote]Originally posted by Fluffy:
<strong>What Apple should have done is keep iTools free, and start charging $$$ for iApp updates. I would gladly pay a software fee to OWN these apps (I paid my $29.99 for Quicktime pro), and this plan would at least give me the choice of using what I already have.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think we took the free iTools accounts for granted. When first announced at Macworld SF 2000, everybody yawned and griped because there were no hardware announcements at that particular expo. Now we're all whining about how mac.com is our lifeblood and should remain free.

The problem in the first place was that it was free. It was easy to abuse. It was easy to create multiple accounts. I think a reasonable solution, or stop-gap would be for a pricing plan like I outlined above.
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post #93 of 138
[quote]Originally posted by murbot:
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It does cost them money, that's for sure. I also know people with 5 or 10 iDisks set up - that's got to cost them alot.
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that's ridiculous.

well apple should limit it to *1* account per person <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

why should we suffer because apple messed up in the first place

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post #94 of 138
[quote]Originally posted by zaz:
<strong>

Wait a second!
:eek:

You are actually arguing that Apple run its business according to your financial situations?

They are a business.. not a government charity hand out program.

Don't make get all 'Atlas Shrugged' on you.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Can you say "overdetermination"?

Clearly the complaint about .mac is a financial one: either people don't think Apple ought to be charging for it at all or they think they are charging too much for it. I haven't heard many complaints (if any) about what .mac does; in fact, I have heard plenty of people comment on the services as they stand positively.

If money wasn't a concern for people I doubt we would hear complaints. And I merely thought it was ironic that someone with the name "poor taylor" should have forked out the cash for it already--funny, don't you think?

What really bugs me on threads like this is those people who like to get on threads and complain about whiners: a little double standard seems evident if you go back and read through the thread. As far as I'm concerned there is something worse than whiners: people who like to bitch about whiners.
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post #95 of 138
[quote]Originally posted by Hudson:
<strong>Whether this $99/year subscription service is good or bad for Apple, time will tell.

However, it signals to me that Apple have given up trying to make money in the PC business. You'll all remember that Apple floated free iTools as a very good reason why someone should by a Mac. Apparently, they no longer think that's the case or at least don't think any Wintel user would justify it as a reason to switch (or for a few to not switch to a Wintel box).</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think Apple found that iTools wasn't giving people enough of a reason to switch and that it was expensive to maintain. iApps get great press all the time for their functionality and ease of use. They are the 'free' reason to switch these days.


[quote]Originally posted by Hudson:
<strong>
I've been as loyal of a Mac user that there is for 15 years now but all of the "throw-ins" that make owning a Mac a smart decision appear to no longer be "throw-ins" -- especially considering that the same $99 will get a Wintel owner a subscription, too (OK, it doesn't have Virex).
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What throw in? I don't remember throw-ins. I have used Apple's since 82 (granted I was a kid) and I don't remember throw-ins. I hope you don't mean the mouse pad And Wintel uses don't have access to the .Mac, iApps intergration, ie iCal over .Mac etc, they just get the email and storage. They also miss out on iDisk Utility, HomePage Maker etc, all software tools specifically for .Mac.

[quote]Originally posted by Hudson:
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Take away the one time $50 discount for current iTools users and then you'll see that what Steve Jobs announced today was his plan to extract $228 from most Mac users in the next two months.

I don't think the loyal Mac users are going to be happy when they realize that they're being asked to pony up a lot of money and absolutely none of it is for what Apple has implicitely asked us to do in the past -- buy a new Macintosh computer.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So Apple is trying to make money on their service...is this a new idea to anyone? How can anyone bitch that Apple is trying to make money? Their prices for these services aren't astronomical, they are inline with most of the industry. (tell me those other free services don't have some way to make money..like spyware etc..which i would gladly pay to avoid.) Apple never promised iTools forever. Obviously it wasn't doing for Apple what it was intended to do, which is bring in new users. What it was accomplishing was draining resources from Apple. Apple announced a $32 million dollar provide yesterday. Does that sound like a lot for a large tech company? If MS is charging for net based services, and they have what, 40x that money Apple does for spending far less for the basic business expenses, how is unrealistic to expect Apple to charge?

I would like a tiered program, but if Apple doesn't release it, I won't hold it against them...they are trying to make money in a very difficult time. This is a premium service, and deerves to cost money.

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post #96 of 138
"I think we took the free iTools accounts for granted. When first announced at Macworld SF 2000, everybody yawned and griped because there were no hardware announcements at that particular expo. Now we're all whining about how mac.com is our lifeblood and should remain free."

Too true. Same today. People wanted super hardware. To some degree, they got it. Kind of.

It's a shame Jaguar is being over looked in the storm of .Mac controversy.

Irony.

...because we got great software today.

Yeesh. Wasn't Seybold the traditional 'power'Mac venue anyhow?

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post #97 of 138
"So Apple is trying to make money on their service...is this a new idea to anyone? How can anyone bitch that Apple is trying to make money? Their prices for these services aren't astronomical, they are inline with most of the industry. (tell me those other free services don't have some way to make money..like spyware etc..which i would gladly pay to avoid.) Apple never promised iTools forever. Obviously it wasn't doing for Apple what it was intended to do, which is bring in new users. What it was accomplishing was draining resources from Apple. Apple announced a $32 million dollar provide yesterday. Does that sound like a lot for a large tech company? If MS is charging for net based services, and they have what, 40x that money Apple does for spending far less for the basic business expenses, how is unrealistic to expect Apple to charge?

I would like a tiered program, but if Apple doesn't release it, I won't hold it against them...they are trying to make money in a very difficult time. This is a premium service, and deerves to cost money."

Amen.

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post #98 of 138
A major ease-of-use point emphasized during the presentation of iChat was that the userÂ*can log on using her mac.com username.

Now that users has to pay in order to retain that username, REFusers need to become AOL users to get access to iChat.

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post #99 of 138
Why? I like the new .mac, even though I won't be signing up, I don't see why you need to boycot it.
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post #100 of 138
I'm not gonna boycott .Mac. I'm just not gonna pay for what I already paid for by buying my iBook. Apple said, (I'm paraphrasing here) "Hey look, if you buy a new Mac, you get this cool iTools stuff including your very own free Mac.com email address. Now you can tell everyone you use a Mac every time you send an email". Sounds like Apple's been getting something for free, too. Free advertising. Mac.com was a win-win situation. I used the service and Apple subtly advertised the Mac with every email I sent. But .Mac? No thanks, I said, and have already emailed everyone I know from my new, free, pop.email address. No more mac.com at the top of my emails, not unless, that is, Apple is willing to pay me 10 cents for every mac.com email I send off. Maybe I should ask for 50 cents. What's wrong with a little profit?
post #101 of 138
False alarm.

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post #102 of 138
.mac, has a really nice ring and look to it, though existing iTools memebers, should get it free the first year. Did anyone notice how it was sometimes .mac and sometimes .Mac?
post #103 of 138
[quote]Originally posted by zaz:
<strong>Don't make get all 'Atlas Shrugged' on you.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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post #104 of 138
Stop your bitching!


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Converting your .Mac trial account to an email-only account

IMPORTANT: If you choose to convert your trial account to an email-only account, all your data files on Apple's servers (except for email messages) will be removed.

Other .Mac services, such as iDisk, HomePage, Backup, and Virex, are not accessible to email-only accounts.

To convert your trial account to email-only, go to <a href="http://www.mac.com." target="_blank">www.mac.com.</a> Click Account in the .Mac menu bar, then click the Email Account Management button. Enter the member name and password of the trial account you'd like to convert, then click Convert.

Print your account information for future reference, then click Continue.
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post #105 of 138
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[quote]Originally posted by Scooterboy:
<strong>Now you can tell everyone you use a Mac every time you send an email". Sounds like Apple's been getting something for free, too. Free advertising.</strong><hr></blockquote>

amen to that. i liked having the @mac.com e-mail. but that's all i want. and yes, hotmail and yahoo do the same, scaled down e-mail for free, which would be fine by me if Apple followed suit. and i think iDisk deserves a subscription. but when everyone talks about 8 bucks a month for e-mail, let us all remember that you still have to provide your own internet connection. and most of the ones i know of come with free (and multiple) e-mail accounts. to paying for the privilege and joy of @mac.com e-mail seems above and beyond what i want or need. I LOVE Apple, i just wish I didn't have to pay to share that with the world every time I send an e-mail.

as for the e-mail only, i have yet to see it or use it, but if true, i will convert my account right away.
post #106 of 138
They seem to forget that everytime someone emails someone using their mac.com email account it's basically advertising for Apple, so they should at least continue to offer free email accounts.

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post #107 of 138
I understand that Apple has to make money out of .mac, but wouldn't it be better for everyone (Apple included) if they were more reasonable about the price? The least the could do is offer a free .mac lite service for people who only need email. Considering that they are not actually providing internet access, for $99 per year they should at least allow you to have more than one email address. A lot more families would jump on it that way. The way it is now, .mac is nothing more than a PR disaster. I haven't seen so many ticked off mac users in a long time!
post #108 of 138
This is weird! Its differentto offer free applications than free internet services. Once you have developed an application, there is no more costs involved, other than distribution, (meaning no ongoing costs, unless you are working on an upgrade). So developing applications is more of an one time expence (more or less - and I know this isnt what we learn from Software Engineering, but think about it). With internet services there are ongoing costs for hardware maintenance, software development and bandwith. Its natural that Apple dont want to lose all this money. You still get all the iApps for free, and if you dont want .mac to host your iPhoto pics or your iMovie movies, i encourage you to find something cheaper that 100 dollars per year to host this kind of service. Remember, you are paying for ease of use here too!

And dont think .Net will be free either - it most likely wont. <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />

And its funny, I always considered iTools for the iDisk and Homepage ability. Ive been using iTools to host my digital images, to share with family and friends - The email address always came with it - and ive never acctually used it..

I wont say im happy to pay 100 dollars a year for .mac, but i think its definately worth it!
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post #109 of 138
I think that if Apple set a more reasonable price and/or made .mac more family friendly (so you don't have to pay extra to have your wife and kids use it) a lot more people would sign on to it and it would actually make more money for Apple. Right now, I don't see a whole lot of people eager to sign on. Most are either pissed or they never used iTools to start with so they don't care. So even if .mac is worth the $99 per year it doesn't look like it will bring as much revenue as it potentially could. 100,000 mac users paying $99 translates to less revenue than than 1.5 million paying $40.
post #110 of 138
I'm too lazy to scan this entire thread, so if it's been posted, sorry to be redundant.

There's a bunch of weirdass music in iDisk/Software/Extras/FreePlay Music.
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post #111 of 138
[quote]Originally posted by Shanny:
<strong>I'm too lazy to scan this entire thread, so if it's been posted, sorry to be redundant.

There's a bunch of weirdass music in iDisk/Software/Extras/FreePlay Music.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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post #112 of 138
...BTW, after I buy some AAPL in the next day or two, I planning on making enough to keep myself in .mac for many years to come in the next 3-4 weeks

Love those crazy sell-offs. Apple has $12/share in cash.
post #113 of 138
[quote]Originally posted by Shanny:
<strong>I'm too lazy to scan this entire thread, so if it's been posted, sorry to be redundant.

There's a bunch of weirdass music in iDisk/Software/Extras/FreePlay Music.</strong><hr></blockquote>

...its been there for a while, its nice *ahem* royalty free music cuts you can use for *ahem* free when you are making videos with your *ahem* free iMovie software and burning them to DVD with your *ahem* free iDVD software.

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post #114 of 138
To better convey my thoughts than my previous post:

I'm not sure that DotMac is going to do for Apple what they are hoping for it to do. Yes, a number of those who live and breath Macintosh will pony up the $100 per year for this. The vast majority of Mac users don't fit into this category. Heck, out of the alleged 25M Macs out there, only 10% are on OS X.

So what does this mean? I think it's going to be increasingly difficult for Apple to go after more than a token share of the PC market now. The industry-leading ability to integrate apps and functions will be somewhat dependent on people paying a far more than trivial sum per year to derive the benefits that the apps can provide. So, in some ways the whole thing strikes me as a message that "we know you don't need a new computer, we're putting an increasing effort into services, and we're going to get your money that way." The risk that I see that creating is that people may decide they don't need all of this stuff with its associated cost and then they may conclude that they might as well just buy a Wintel box now.

And who really needs DotMac for simple webpage hosting anyway? Just about every ISP are already providing that as part of their monthly fee.

I know this may come across as whining -- that's not my intent at all. My real concern is that this effort will be net negative for the platform and hence ultimately bad for us Mac users.
post #115 of 138
[quote]Originally posted by Hudson:
<strong>To better convey my thoughts than my previous post:

I'm not sure that DotMac is going to do for Apple what they are hoping for it to do. Yes, a number of those who live and breath Macintosh will pony up the $100 per year for this. The vast majority of Mac users don't fit into this category. Heck, out of the alleged 25M Macs out there, only 10% are on OS X.

So what does this mean? I think it's going to be increasingly difficult for Apple to go after more than a token share of the PC market now. The industry-leading ability to integrate apps and functions will be somewhat dependent on people paying a far more than trivial sum per year to derive the benefits that the apps can provide. So, in some ways the whole thing strikes me as a message that "we know you don't need a new computer, we're putting an increasing effort into services, and we're going to get your money that way." The risk that I see that creating is that people may decide they don't need all of this stuff with its associated cost and then they may conclude that they might as well just buy a Wintel box now.

And who really needs DotMac for simple webpage hosting anyway? Just about every ISP are already providing that as part of their monthly fee.

I know this may come across as whining -- that's not my intent at all. My real concern is that this effort will be net negative for the platform and hence ultimately bad for us Mac users.</strong><hr></blockquote>


...I don't think Apple is trying to focus soley on software (although that could portend a platform switch from PPC to Intel, ie. more income derived from software, less from hardware- I mean if they were gonna do it, they'd have to do it like this to make up for hardware revenue shortfall), but I think that they know hardware won't be back up to par for another 12-18 months. So why blow your wad on hardware when you are waiting on Moto. IBM will be here with the goods eventually, but its gonna be til the Power5 rev most likely before it gets here, and that is MWSF 2004 at the earliest.

Now the G4 will probably scale to 2Ghz, given the newer G4s extra stages, but after that the G4 is definitely dead end. So the G4 should be petering out about the time Apple gets the supremely bad-ass Power5 derivative and puts Apple at least back on par with the X86 side of the fence.

So, in short, putting a ton of R&D into hardware ain't gonna make the Power5 get here any sooner, so why not focus on user experience until we get ther real goods in 18 months. Smart management, IMHO. Focus attention on your strength while you work below the surface on making the next leap forward in hardware a damn good one. Then we can start strapping P4 or Itanium derivatives on top of snails again in advertisements.
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[quote] I'm not sure that DotMac is going to do for Apple what they are hoping for it to do. Yes, a number of those who live and breath Macintosh will pony up the $100 per year for this. The vast majority of Mac users don't fit into this category. Heck, out of the alleged 25M Macs out there, only 10% are on OS X.<hr></blockquote>

Doesn't really matter. 10% paying customers is better that having %100 non paying customers. Apple has already accomplished one goal. Weeding out the users taking advangtage of iTools in an unfair way.

[quote]So, in some ways the whole thing strikes me as a message that "we know you don't need a new computer, we're putting an increasing effort into services, and we're going to get your money that way." The risk that I see that creating is that people may decide they don't need all of this stuff with its associated cost and then they may conclude that they might as well just buy a Wintel box now.
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You give most customers far too much credit LOL. I've seen Platform decisions revolve around a Color(iMac) or the fact that xx game is only on this platform or a particular application. Most people have needs defined by themselves and it's up to them to assess these needs and make a decision. Apple will win some and lose some. But I can tell you that OSX is becoming a must have and is highly functional out the box. That bodes well for Apple regardless.

[quote] And who really needs DotMac for simple webpage hosting anyway? Just about every ISP are already providing that as part of their monthly fee. <hr></blockquote>

Show me an ISP that gives you 100MB of Online Storage for $8. It's unheard of. The question can also be phrased "who doesn't need .mac for simple webpages?" it makes it very simple.

[quote] I know this may come across as whining -- that's not my intent at all. My real concern is that this effort will be net negative for the platform and hence ultimately bad for us Mac users.

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You're not whining...just voiceing your concerns. I'm not as concerned because as a former Salesperson I learned he hard way that people equate FREE with substandard. Human Nature tells us "if they're giving it away free...it must not be worth that much" this attitude causes people to balk at the idea of actually "spending" money on a service they find substandard. These same people might not see ANYTHING wrong with spending $4 on a Latte however.


You cannot "tell" people they can be empowered using your products..you have to show them. That's always been the magic of Macintosh. It's not always easy to describe why it "Feels" right but you know it when you sit down and think "someone at Apple has been through what I have and has fixed that annoying problem" I never really get that feeling with MS.
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According to this article in todays Seattle Times Microsoft is planning to charge more for much less then .mac offers: <a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/134494912_msn17.html" target="_blank">http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/134494912_msn17.html</a>

This idea of a boycott is absurd. If .mac was required in order for your computer to work then maybe that would make sense, but it is a service, and like any service the customer has the choice to make use of it or not. If it does not offer value for the money then people won't buy, which is a huge incentive for Apple to keep improving it to make more sales. With iTools being free there wan't much return on the investment of time and money for Apple to make dramatic improvements. I think we will see a lot coming out in .mac in the next year that we can't even imagine yet. That is why I will spend the $50 and keep it for now...in a years time if I find it worth another $100 to keep it I will, if not I will move on.

It also appears from links posted here that you will be able to keep your .mac email address for free, but without any of the other .mac services. That should satisfy all those here who just want a free email address.
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[quote]Originally posted by rentedmule:
<strong>Why on God's green Earth would you think you get that for free?</strong><hr></blockquote>

because we as mac users pay a premium for the hardware we buy...
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The only .mac service I use is email & I'm not going to pay $100 per year to continue it.
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[quote]Originally posted by towelie:
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because we as mac users pay a premium for the hardware we buy...</strong><hr></blockquote>

We we should seeing as how we get a Premium Operating System in the deal
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