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Big Picture, put up or shut up, hold 'em or fold 'em time.

Format: Product Line, odds of an update, prediction of specs. Ready? I'll go first.

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Mac OS X - 1 in 3 - Jaguar has an outside chance of being released at MWNY in my opinion, because of the Switch campaign. A good way to keep it rolling.

Powermac - 4 in 5 - Powermacs are coming, too many magic 8-ball's indicate "yes." G4 1.2 GHz, Xserve-style DDR. FSB stays stuck at 133, much wailing and gnashing of teeth commences.

iMac - 1 in 2 - iMac probably stands to benefit from the Powermac bump by sucking up some of the cheaper G4's. Up to a 1 Ghz. No 17" LCD, price drops to origian levels.

Powerbook - 1 in 8 - in the unlikely event there is a Powerbook upgrade, it will be basically just a Bluetooth upgrade.

iBook - 1 in 10 - in the event of an IBook update, we'll see 100 MHz across the board faster iBooks, and Bluetooth.

iPod - 1 in 10 - Price drops, addition data functionality.

Xserve - 1 in 100 - faster cpu's.

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post #2 of 24
OS X - 2 in 3 - Early reports indicated a late summer release, but recent rumours give me hope that Jaguar will surface this month. Hopefully the upgrade scheme will be a repeat of 10.1.

Power Mac - 9 in 10 - Dual G4 processors around 1.4 GHz, 800 Mbps Firewire, DDR SDRAM, and a tweaked enclosure. A big "if" is FSB speed; I am betting on 133 MHz.

iMac - 2 in 5 - Since supplies of 1 GHz G4 chips are (apparently) so good, a speedbump is possible. GeForce4 MX graphics and a 133 MHz FSB are badly needed, but depend on how drastic the Power Mac revision is.

PowerBook - 1 in 2 - Retailers don't seem to have many TiBooks in stock, but I can't imagine why the 800 MHz model needs an upgrade so soon. Again, this depends on what Power Macs we get.

iBook - 1 in 5 - A G4 processor and decent graphics subsytem are overdue, but probably won't appear until late summer/early fall.

iDevice/iApp - 1 in 3 - With the iPod such a success, Apple must have other gadgets in the pipeline. I doubt the next is ready, though. An new or upgraded "digital hub" app is somewhat likely, however. iTunes 3, anyone?

[Edit: We already have iDVD 2. Where have I been? <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" /> ]

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Mac OS X - 15% - Jaguar may be released at MWNY, but I seriously doubt it.

Powermac - 95% - Powermacs need an update, either dual 1.2 or 1.4, I'm think 1.4's. 40% chance of new motherboard.

iMac - 25% - Probably won't be speed bumped, I think they need to get it further away from the Pmac. (80% chance of price drop)

Powerbook - No idea

iBook - no idea

iPod - 75% -Price drops, mp4 support announced for the future.

Other iDevice - 40% - I want a digital camera. or even better a digital camcorder. or both.


Side note:While I seriously doubt apple will ever release a two button mouse, their Warcraft III page has a huge add that claims
"Competitive Advantage"

"If you dont already own a
multi-button mouse with a scroll wheel, Warcraft III may be the best reason youve ever had to try one out. Aside from the multitasking the second button offers for in-game actions, the scroll wheel allows you to move the camera (your view of the action) right down to the level of the battlefield. "


<a href="http://www.apple.com/games/articles/2002/06/warcraft3/" target="_blank">Apple's Warcraft III page</a>

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post #5 of 24
Mac OS X - Jaguar will be demoed during the keynote. Shipping at the end of August. Free upgrade.

PowerMac - Dual 1.5GHz G5s (32-bit varient). 2GHz RapidIO bus. DDR266. Audio in. Slightly updated case. 128MB Radeon 8500 or R300 (BTO).

New iMac - 1GHz G4. 133MHz bus. 1MB L3 cache. No DDR. No 17" display. 64MB GF4MX. No price change.

eMac - Talk about how great it is. Price drop.

iMac - Discontinued.

Powerbook - SuperDrive.

iBook - Talk about how great it is. No update.

Xserve - Talk about how great it is. No update.

Server G4 - No longer its own product line. Now a custom PowerMac configuration.

iPod - Software update allowing it to play MPEG4 audio.

iTunes 3 - MPEG4 support. Some minor tweaks.

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post #7 of 24
Mac OS X 90% - Jaguar released in August with full demo at MNWY

Powermac 50% - Someone other than Motorola will be supplying next gen chips

iMac 80% - Speed bump35% for 17 version

Powerbook 60% - Bluetooth built in

iBook 70% - A whole lot of nothing

iPod 30% - Price drop and additional gigs

Xserve 99% - Nada

iDevice 6% - Tivo-esque device

 

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iPod - price drops 75%, new on-cord remote and new headphones 50%, addition of 20GB model 25%

If there is an iTunes 3 I hope they do more than merely tweak it plus MP4. By all accounts it's not a very well written program, it hogs CPU and a lot of people have problems with stability. Needs better multithreading as well as live window expanding.
post #9 of 24
OS X - Will be shown, pretty much feature complete. Shipping in 30 days.

Powermac - 90% - Speeds up to 1.5 GHZ. Will have double pumped Ram and FSB. I am an optimist so shoot me. Firewire 2 will also be present.

iMac - 40% - Slim chance. I think more like Paris on this one.

TiBook - 0% - Ain't going to happen.

iBook - 0% - Ain't going to happen.

iPod - 25% - Slim chance of an update.

New iDevice - 50% - Decent chance of something new here.

Updated or new iApps - 75% - At least one of the apps will get updated and I see a slight chance of a new iApp.

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Jaguar is demoed, announcement that Apple is on time for the "end of summer" shipping date, and pre-orders taken.

The iMac keeps the CD-RW, Combo, Superdrive model lineup. 133MHz MPX. 800MHz & 1GHz G4s. GeForce 4 MX. Price drops to original levels.

The Power Mac: 166MHz MPX, DDR333 RAM. 66MHz, 64-bit PCI, AGP 8X. 1GHz, 1.5GHz and dual 1.25GHz G4s. FireWire name stays, but it now runs at "800Mb/s!". New, slightly larger, white, squarer case. Audio stays the same. New ATi graphics card BTO, GeForce 4 MX on low-end model, GeForce 4 Titanium on top-end (Quartz very Extreme).

eMac gets a price cut, G3 iMac is plain cut [EDIT :o riginally had iMac G3 as a price cut] (to keep the minimum specs for the Mac platform high).

I'm not a wimp, its either 100% or 0% with me.

AppleInsider forum members slam Apple for not introducing a new iDevice, call the iMac "dead" because it doesn't have a GF4 Ti (so it won't attract the miniscule hard-core gaming market) and call the Jaguar/Cleaner/Dual benchmarks rigged (even though such a system would obviously kick-butt). At least one person will post "At least Steve didn't throw a camera at someone".

Announced in the 6 Months until Mac World SF:

Updated laptops, FireWire 5.1 speakers, iTunes 3 is Jaguar-only, plays AAC (the correct name for MP4 Audio), iPod AAC Firmware update and 20GB hard drive, new Apple camera, Xserve RAID, 17 & 19" iMacs. Power Mac line will go all-dual.

Around May 2003 will be either a Power Mac G5, or an "Apple Power4 Macintosh". IBM will make either CPU.

The rest of 2003 will see the G5/Power4 phased into the rest of the product line.

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post #11 of 24
Oh ya..forgot about the old iMac...

I hope they keep it and charge 400 bucks for it.

 

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post #12 of 24
Steve opens the show with a recap of last quarters numbers. The point being that Apple makes a profit even amongst the moribund tech sector's dreary performance in general. Steve announces several minor bumps (and price cuts) to the product line-up. He then points to innovation in OSX and spends much time demoing Jagwire, ending up with new iApps: iChat and iCon. Working together, these new apps provide instant messaging and video conferencing.

At the end of this someone off stage tosses Steve a small device that turns out to be an iCam, a Foveon equipped digital camera that does both still and video imaging, recording both to a built in hard drive. FireWire 2 is announced at this point and as used in this device, can not only transfer images and movies to iPhoto and iMovie on the Mac, but also uses any external FireWire hard drive (including iPod) to extend it's capacity.

The PowerMac is next up and it's a tweeked El Cap case with duals across the board, starting with dual Gig's on the infamous ebay "Red Board" with DDR a la Xserve. GigaWire is announced at this point, it turns out to be a built in clustering technology that allows any number of Macs to be connected together under Jagwire to spread CPU intensive tasks to connected Macs.

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post #13 of 24
[quote]Originally posted by Daver:
<strong>Power Mac - 9 in 10 - Dual G4 processors around 1.4 GHz, 800 Mbps Firewire, DDR SDRAM, and a tweaked enclosure. A big "if" is FSB speed; I am betting on 133 MHz.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why do most think that there will be 1.4ghz G4's when speed bumps have been far less in the past? Have moto moved to a 0.13 fab? Apart from that i think you're on the money.
post #14 of 24
iMac 0%
With channel inventory so backed up a 'speed boost' would only make the machine in channel less desirable. Look for discounts/bundles on iMac until inventory is back to normal levels.

powermac 100%
Powermac like the iMac may have been ready 1 show ago. The iMac got pushed back a show. To avoid releasing both at the same time, the powermac was given an extra 4 - 6 months of developement.
post #15 of 24
Apple will surprise and disappoint. This always happens when the expectations are SO high.

I expect a new G4 (G4.75 aka G4/DDR) in an updated case (El Capitan can be completely changed on the outside by replacing all panels/handles).

I expect a lot of OS X Jaguar info (see how fast it is when I run it on a dual 1.4 G4 w/nVdia monster graphics).

I expect some kind of software iApp news (maybe more details on iChat than what we have known so far).

A bombshell? Nah. Apple is struggling like everyone else. The kid gloves with MS are off now that the non-compete agreement ended, Steve's message will be "lets get it on" and all efforts are now focused on getting peope to ditch Windoze.

Notice that all third-party products Apple just bought immediately dropped Windoze support. The message is "the Mac way or the highway" which is pretty good if the Apple software/hardware can support the users properly.

Full steam ahead, lets do this.
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The unique thing about this show is that Apple will be opening a new store in New York at the same time as Macworld. What ever they unvail would have to be on display, and for sale at that store at it's grand opening. New York is the media capital and Apple wouldn't waste this opportunity on just new software, or information about a future product. I believe it's not only a new set of machines, but a new production system for delivery. Dell computers have a good production process, and they save money with it. Apple is getting wiser, why fight what works...learn from those who do things better than you. Microsoft did...or did they just steal it?
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I agree for the most part with what everyone is saying. But how many times do we have to say it?

I think you all are really missing the most important picture(s)

There will be a MAJOR update/improvement to the iTools suite. As sick as it sounds, picture .NET done right.

The next iDevice. it has to be a camera. recording video direct to HD ( formatted as DV streams) and with iMovie enhancements is AWESOME. Shoot , edit, play. No time spent importing from tape to HD, then from HD to tape.

Also in line with the new iTools, a PDA - thing. It's not just a palm with an apple logo on it.
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Jaguar: long demo, shipping date announced (mid-August).

Power Mac: 100 percent certain for updating, and my guess is 7470 chips, POSSIBLY as high as 1.4Ghz, duals across the board but top model not shipping until fall (other models shipping in two weeks, orders for all being taken now). Faster FSB, DDR, new enclosure. No USB2 or 800Mps FireWire yet.

iMac: 3 in 10. High inventories make me think the iMac will get a price drop now and a quiet update (faster processors, but NOT a faster bus) in September, possibly August if the channel is clear. No motherboard changes until the next revision.

iBook and PowerBook: 2 in 10 for any revision. I wonder if the recent updates were slated for MWNY but released early to improve sales in the second quarter. It's possible we'll see a price drop on the PowerBook, maybe back to the $2,399/$2,999 scheme.

G3 iMac: price drop to $599 (CD-ROM) and $699 (CD-RW). I think we'll see the old iMac for at least a while longer (and there are no indications that current machines have been EOLed).

eMac: just released to the public, no changes.

Xserve: no changes.

Displays: 15-inch dropped.

Steve will lay out Apple's strategy for leveraging their software acquisitions in video and music and talk about how the new Power Macs, Xserve and RAID will make Apple the dominant force in those fields. Details to come at Seybold, but he will give us the vision here so we go away feeling better about the somewhat limited introductions. Apple continuing to innovate, etc.
post #19 of 24
No Apple camera. There is already 37,567,988 camera on the market. A timid PowerMac and iMac update, no iBook and PowerBook update. Be prepared: MWNY is gonna suck!
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[quote]Originally posted by Jerome:
<strong>No Apple camera. There is already 37,567,988 camera on the market.</strong><hr></blockquote>

how many Mp3 players are out there?
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[quote]Originally posted by canyon24:


I think you all are really missing the most important picture(s)

There will be a MAJOR update/improvement to the iTools suite. As sick as it sounds, picture .NET done right.
<hr></blockquote>

I agree. All your data on all your devices all the time, but through Apple's .Mac system. Microsoft can only provide the protocols for Wintel hardware engineers; Apple can give us the whole enchilada -- hardware and software. Think Rendevous -- walk in to an Airport-equipped cafe and boom: your iDisk pops up on your wireless iPod.

[quote] Originally posted by Barto:

The Power Mac: 166MHz MPX, DDR333 RAM. 66MHz, 64-bit PCI, AGP 8X. 1GHz, 1.5GHz and dual 1.25GHz G4s. FireWire name stays, but it now runs at "800Mb/s!". New, slightly larger, white, squarer case. Audio stays the same. New ATi graphics card BTO, GeForce 4 MX on low-end model, GeForce 4 Titanium on top-end (Quartz very Extreme). <hr></blockquote>

I think this could happen. The MPX went from 100 to 133MHz; another 33MHz bump isn't out of the question. 1.5 GHz would be an impressive jump; 1.33 might be more realistic. With DDR RAM and the faster bus, this should be a good update. Perhaps the cache will get bumped too.
post #22 of 24
New iMacs?

Read this which I found on <a href="http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/Article.asp?IR=N&datePublish=2002/06/27&pages=09&seq=057" target="_blank">Digitimes</a>


[quote] Sources said Apple is remodeling certain iMac components as part of its plan to launch an upgrade version. The company is also considering cutting prices to boost sales, but improved demand probably will not be seen until August, according to sources. <hr></blockquote>

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post #23 of 24
So, I think apple has an iDevice more like the Moxi Media Center in the works. If Rendezvous can do what apple says, an IP-capable set-top box that can store, stream, and serve up just about every entertainment experience you can think of would be sweet. A sort of big brother to the iPod.

Apple even said you could use Rendezvous to make iTunes into a music jukebox for your whole house. You could keep all your music on the iMac in the den, and then listen to the iMacs playlists via the living room stereo. Acting as the hub of digital content for the home, this device could play your DVDs CD and MP3/4s, act as a cable or DSL router, store your digital music, and function as a PVR, all at the same time. Add to this the ability to browse webpages, send instant messages (thanks to iChat), and provide video-on-demand services. This would really complete the digital hub!
post #24 of 24
"Notice that all third-party products Apple just bought immediately dropped Windoze support. The message is "the Mac way or the highway" which is pretty good if the Apple software/hardware can support the users properly.

Full steam ahead, lets do this."

Let's get it on...

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I wonder...is the 'green' Apple learning to get 'down and dirty' in order to win that extra 5%? Certainly...learning from Dell's production techniques might be interesting to get prices more competitive. An ultra cheap line of Macs to 'Switch' the wintel folk on...

Apple have shown over the last few years that they are learning from previous mistakes. They've done great with the software...if they can make their hardware specs more competitive price wise...then we've got a full scale assault on Windows on our hands...

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