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post #1 of 41
7/9/02 at 4:47am
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After recent talks with our software developers (who have been contact with apple engineers) that their products is so slow on the iBook due to the lack of Altivec, they made an off hand comment that after MWNY this should no longer be a problem.

Too good to be true?

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post #2 of 41
7/9/02 at 4:48am
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[quote]Originally posted by alfredh:
<strong>After recent talks with our software developers (who have been contact with apple engineers) that their products is so slow on the iBook due to the lack of Altivec, they made an off hand comment that after MWNY this should no longer be a problem.

Too good to be true?

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post #3 of 41
7/9/02 at 5:05am
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Well they've done iMac & eMac against the PowerMac and they all have G4. So why not the iBook? This goes in line with the iMac G3 that will be discontinued. Why put outdated chips in such a handy sized Laptop? Not eveyone wants a huge screen.

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post #4 of 41
7/9/02 at 5:18am
Recent comments by Apple execs seem to indicate that the "Sahara" G3 will be here for a while to come. The move to that chip, involved a significant internal overhaul, and I suspect that it is fair to assume that it will remain for some time to come and eventually scale up to 1Ghz. I would really love a G4 12" iBook, and would buy one within 15 mins, but it does not look likely any time soon. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

[ 07-09-2002: Message edited by: warpd ]</p>
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7/9/02 at 7:09am
[quote]Originally posted by warpd:
<strong>Recent comments by Apple execs seem to indicate that the "Sahara" G3 will be here for a while to come. The move to that chip, involved a significant internal overhaul, and I suspect that it is fair to assume that it will remain for some time to come and eventually scale up to 1Ghz. I would really love a G4 12" iBook, and would buy one within 15 mins, but it does not look likely any time soon. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

[ 07-09-2002: Message edited by: warpd ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

The above is true, but that doesn't mean that Apple won't introduce a Special Edition G4 iBook on top of the current line up. I just hope it's not the 14" model. I want the small form factor.

[ 07-09-2002: Message edited by: navanod ]</p>
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post #6 of 41
7/9/02 at 7:43am
Not iBook SE; DuoBook.

Take one 12" iBook shell, fiddle it a little, G4, HDD, DVI-out, faster GPU.

No monitor spanning available, but rather than mirroring, closed book operation with single displays up to and including the 23" CinemaHD.

All the greatness of a Duo, without the dock! Price? 2099USD.
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post #7 of 41
7/9/02 at 8:12am
The comment that the software will run better after MWNY could be in reference to 10.2 (Quartz Extreme). My understanding of QE is that it frees up the processor somewhat by offloading the graphics to the video card. So I would think most apps would run better under 10.2.

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post #8 of 41
7/9/02 at 8:28am
[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Not iBook SE; DuoBook.

Take one 12" iBook shell, fiddle it a little, G4, HDD, DVI-out, faster GPU.

No monitor spanning available, but rather than mirroring, closed book operation with single displays up to and including the 23" CinemaHD.

All the greatness of a Duo, without the dock! Price? 2099USD.</strong><hr></blockquote>

can't quite decide if this is sounds true or is sarcastic!

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post #9 of 41
7/9/02 at 8:32am
That comment could mean *several* things:

- an iBook G4, as you think (whether it's just one iBook model or the whole line)
- AltiVec (in whatever form) for the G3
- just the fact that Jaguar will be generally faster
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post #10 of 41
7/9/02 at 9:38am
I highly doubt a G4 iBook at MacWorld. They've already commented about the G3 probably being around in the iBook even for the next release (whenever that is), and I can't see them using the Sahara as a stopover for just a couple months before dumping it to use the G4.

Besides, I just got a 700 MHz iBook a couple weeks ago, so it can't happen
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post #11 of 41
7/9/02 at 11:02am
[quote]Originally posted by MCQ:

Besides, I just got a 700 MHz iBook a couple weeks ago, so it can't happen <hr></blockquote>

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post #12 of 41
7/9/02 at 12:59pm
[quote]Originally posted by navanod:
<strong>

The above is true, but that doesn't mean that Apple won't introduce a Special Edition G4 iBook on top of the current line up. I just hope it's not the 14" model. I want the small form factor.

[ 07-09-2002: Message edited by: navanod ]</strong><hr></blockquote>
Problem is, if a G4 appears in the existing form factor it is likely to be used only in the 14" model because of possible overheating issues with using the G4 in the smaller 12" model (with the design as it stands). I desperately want a G4 in a 12" iBook - and many others must feel the same - but I suspect we may have to wait for the next form factor revision (whenever that is) for our dream to come true.
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post #13 of 41
7/9/02 at 1:05pm
Another alternative is that the G3 iBook will get a speed bump. Unlikely, but I could see Apple engineers passing this off as a "solution"..
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post #14 of 41
7/9/02 at 1:13pm
[quote] Another alternative is that the G3 iBook will get a speed bump. <hr></blockquote>

That brings up an interesting point-- the 750FX that the iBook uses is capable of running its bus at 200MHz. Could a bus speed bump be in line for the next revision? I'd imagine it wouldn't go all the way to 200MHz, but 133 wouldn't be out of line. Of course, that means Apple would have to bump the TiBook's bus (probably something like the Xserve) in order to differentiate between the two. If Apple plans to do something like this, I'd imagine it won't happen until September or October. The last bump was too recent. Hmmm... iBook @ 733 & 867MHz and 133MHz bus.
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post #15 of 41
7/9/02 at 1:22pm
[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>Another alternative is that the G3 iBook will get a speed bump. Unlikely, but I could see Apple engineers passing this off as a "solution"..</strong><hr></blockquote>

Wasn't the last speed bump in late May? Why would they speed bump it again less than two months later? <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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post #16 of 41
7/9/02 at 2:09pm
[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Not iBook SE; DuoBook.

Take one 12" iBook shell, fiddle it a little, G4, HDD, DVI-out, faster GPU.

No monitor spanning available, but rather than mirroring, closed book operation with single displays up to and including the 23" CinemaHD.

All the greatness of a Duo, without the dock! Price? 2099USD.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Love it . There is absolutely nothing wrong with being able to carry about your computer easily and everywhere. My 1st gen Japanese iBook 500 combo has been a wonder, but G4 is necessary. If PowerBook cannot come down, then boos the iBook and keep the form. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> Is it possible?
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post #17 of 41
7/9/02 at 5:34pm
If the rumours of no new towers at MWNY, then I'd be inclined to believe a G4 iBook is a possibility.

If the focus is on the consumer rather than the pro, we will see speedier iMacs with a larger display and hopefully the end of the G3.

Jobs always claims that Apple listens to it's customers. When he announced the LCD iMac, he said the top feature wanted was for it to use the G4 chip.
I would guess that to be one of the top demands for the iBook.

And if they do, I'll be the first in line to buy one.
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post #18 of 41
7/9/02 at 5:43pm
Interesting theory, satch.

I am getting an iBook shortly, and this would be a NICE surprise.

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post #19 of 41
7/9/02 at 5:54pm
A G4 iBook would totally rock, and it would catch EVERYONE off guard!

It also would make sense, considering recent moves by Apple. They've got plenty of G4s, the problem is that they aren't fast enough. So the Powermacs stagnate, while everything else is updated to rule except for lame mobo/cpus...but everyone forgives Apple because it's "only" consumer products.

Awww, fu[k it Apple, just drop the Powermac from your lineup until the G5 is ready!
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post #20 of 41
7/10/02 at 9:05am
If they up it to a G4, i'll be PISSED! I'll have to find a way in my lease to swap my iBook 700 for one. Either that or sell it on eBay for way over what it's worth! =)
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post #21 of 41
7/10/02 at 10:12am
What do you think the chances would be for a true video-out instead of the current video output which can only mirror? That's about the only thing holding me off replacing my old Pismo with an iBook. I know, I could get a TiBook but it's just a tad out of my reach right now...
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post #22 of 41
7/10/02 at 10:28am
[quote]Originally posted by Pixelpusher:
<strong>What do you think the chances would be for a true video-out instead of the current video output which can only mirror? </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah that's a real pisser for me too. Unfortunately, Apple feels it needs to cripple the iBook in order to distinguish it from the Powerbook.
But I figure with the Powerbooks now offering a DVI output, that should be enough of an advantage. So please give us true video out. We may not be able to enjoy it on Apple's LCD's but at least get rid of mirroring.
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post #23 of 41
7/14/02 at 7:06am
Is this rumor dead?

If Think Secret is right about the original iMac dropping out, that means that the iBook is the only computer to use the G3. Making the iBook look pretty outdated (Consumer's perception).

I'm in the market fo one, and from all the rumors it looks like it's not going to happen.

With only 1.5hours to present, Steve will have his hands full with the new iMac 17" LCD, 20GB iPod, and Jaguar. There is a small small chance though.

Just think if Apple announced that their whole line is now with G4's! That would be sweet! I know everyone will say that it will eat into powerbook sales. Well for all those people that think this what about eMac and iMac, do they eat into PowerMac sales?

What do you think about the all G4 concept?

[ 07-14-2002: Message edited by: navanod ]</p>
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post #24 of 41
7/14/02 at 7:45am
Wouldn't that burn a hole through it's milky white ass?

come on, the g5...i mean g4, generates a lot of heat, a lot...

like, you are "Oh baby, you are hotter than a g4 without a heat sink!" and she says "Boy,you must think i am hotter than the sun!" <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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post #25 of 41
7/14/02 at 8:02am
I think the possibility of seeing a G4 iBook at MWNY is very slim.
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post #26 of 41
7/14/02 at 8:15am
Apple seems set to go with 3 desktops -- consumer, prosumer/high-end consumer AIO, and pro. IOW, eMac, iMac, Powermac.

While I'm not a matrix symmetry nut, I do think there's room for a third laptop, especially if the PB's keep their current high price tags.

A G4 'iBook'ish computer to split the difference between a iBook14 and the PB667, so that they go from 1799 to 2499 on the laptop side, to an extra step in the middle. 1799, 2099, 2499. iBook, somethingbetween book, powerbook.

Maybe not for MWNY though.
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post #27 of 41
7/14/02 at 1:56pm
[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Apple seems set to go with 3 desktops -- consumer, prosumer/high-end consumer AIO, and pro. IOW, eMac, iMac, Powermac.

While I'm not a matrix symmetry nut, I do think there's room for a third laptop, especially if the PB's keep their current high price tags.

A G4 'iBook'ish computer to split the difference between a iBook14 and the PB667, so that they go from 1799 to 2499 on the laptop side, to an extra step in the middle. 1799, 2099, 2499. iBook, somethingbetween book, powerbook.

Maybe not for MWNY though.</strong><hr></blockquote>

People might not realise but the iBook (white) is the 3rd laptop.

When the Cube was released we had:

PowerMac -&gt; Powerbook (graphite)
iMac -&gt; iBook (colours)
Cube -&gt; ??? (white/clear)

At the time there were rumours of a sub-notebook, but the Cube was canned (Apple: it was $500 overpriced, that's all!) and so the empty matrix box was never filled.

The current white iBook is really a CubeBook sub-notebook, which is why it never really matched the iMac line.

IMHO anyway
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post #28 of 41
7/14/02 at 2:18pm
In the near future we will see a little speedbump of 100 mhz of the i book . But don't expect it to have a G4. The ibook will stay G3 until the sahara 2 chip is coming.

Do you really think that after 2 months of use of sahara chip, Apple is going to include a new chip ? <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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post #29 of 41
7/14/02 at 2:19pm
[quote]Originally posted by navanod:
<strong> Just think if Apple announced that their whole line is now with G4's! That would be sweet! I know everyone will say that it will eat into powerbook sales. Well for all those people that think this what about eMac and iMac, do they eat into PowerMac sales?
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes, I think they did, at least the G4 iMac did. Just remember: After the introduction of the G4 iMac in January, Apple had about two months to the next MacWorld in Tokyo. But only one month after MacWorld San Francisco the dual Gigahertz G4 PowerMac was announced. I think that this announcement would have perfectly fit for the MacWorld Tokyo, but obviously the G4 iMac sales were hurting the pro line too much.

Just my two cents though...
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7/14/02 at 2:56pm
Not that anyone ever listens to what Apple actually says (what fun would that be?), but they were pretty clear about this recently (June 17):

[quote]<strong> Although it's the only Apple portable product remaining that sports a G3 chip, Apple's iBook line is right where it needs to be and continues to be a hot seller in the consumer and education markets, according to Dave Russell, Apple's director of consumer-education mobile products. Don't expect any major changes anytime soon.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Full story <a href="http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0206/17.ibook.php" target="_blank">here</a>.
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post #31 of 41
7/14/02 at 8:40pm
Thanks for the hardlink!

I agree that due to the fact that the iBooks/TiPBs got a speedbump in May, MWNY will be solely desktop-oriented (as far as computerproducts go).

Besides, look at the Apple Store (online): you see the little "new" tags next to the iBooks and TiPBs?

Yeah. Those.
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post #32 of 41
7/14/02 at 10:28pm
Get a clue. An ibook with a G4 would just be a smaller TiBook. It would require a complete redesign from the ground up just to handle the extra heat and power consumption, and it would no longer be the neat and trim little book that it is. Look at the specs between G4's and the G3 Sahara. The power and heat differences are "dramatic". What you will see is faster G3 Saharas and maybe faster bus but no G4's yet, and you won't see it at MWNY.
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post #33 of 41
7/16/02 at 8:28am
FWIW, Amazon is running a quiet little sale on iBooks... $100 off. And it doesn't appear to be tied to the printer promotion.

<a href="http://dealmac.com/articles/38096.html" target="_blank">http://dealmac.com/articles/38096.html</a>

Purging the channel?

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post #34 of 41
7/16/02 at 8:34am
Look at the difference between the new SOI G4 and the old (non-sahara) G3. The old G4 fit in the Ti (it was much hotter) and it still worked fine. The new SOI G4 is comparable to the OLD G3 which is what the iBook started out with. An SE model iBook could very well stand a redesign anyway, it wouldn't replace anything, it would slot in between the top iBook and the bottom TiBook -- quite a large price gap there. iBook 12 and 14 would continue with the G3.
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7/16/02 at 8:51am
[quote]Originally posted by Bit twiddler:
<strong>FWIW, Amazon is running a quiet little sale on iBooks... $100 off. And it doesn't appear to be tied to the printer promotion.

<a href="http://dealmac.com/articles/38096.html" target="_blank">http://dealmac.com/articles/38096.html</a>

Purging the channel?

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Not purging the channel, it's merely part of a general promotion by Amazon, $100 off on all new notebooks. It's on the computers area front page.
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post #36 of 41
7/16/02 at 8:57am
Any heat issues related to using a G4 in an iBook would evaporate with the introduction of a G4 using HiP7(re: 0.13µ process).

Not saying it will happen, because it probably won't, but when the heck is the G4 going to use HiP7 for crying out loud.
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post #37 of 41
7/16/02 at 9:19am
I posted this in another thread yesterday, but yesterday (monday) an Apple rep was here and he said Apple would release a new ibook and a 17" imac on wednesday. unfortuantely, he wouldn't say if it was a g4 or not...but he said "new", not "updated"...but maybe I'm reading to much in to that...he was kinda dorky anyway.
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post #38 of 41
7/16/02 at 9:23am
I don't see any of these 'G4 in everything' posts panning out. The processor difference is the only thing seperating the iBooks from the Powerbooks, and the iMacs and eMacs with the PowerMacs. Why would Apple condense their diverse product matrix into fewer target markets? I thought they needed lower end machines to court 'consumers' and 'walmart shoppers'. The G3 is beautiful so don't knock it THAT hard. The G4 is great but I don't think well get it in consumer machines until the pro machines get G5s or something else similar or better. MHz distinction between G4s wouldn't be enough to seperate the market. Once you could get a G4 in an eMac at the same price they are now I'd have my order phoned in in 2 seconds flat.
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post #39 of 41
7/16/02 at 9:24am
Spymac is reporting that there WILL be iBook and TiBook updates at MWNY.

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7/16/02 at 10:50am
[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan Brisby:
<strong> Once you could get a G4 in an eMac at the same price they are now I'd have my order phoned in in 2 seconds flat.</strong><hr></blockquote>

eMacs have G4's. Happy shopping.
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