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post #41 of 225
Maybe we'll get new Power Macs at MWNY, maybe we won't. But the logic of the Think Secret article is far from compelling, and contradictory when it comes to the 17" iMac.

We've all heard that sales of Power Macs are way down, but I've heard nothing about where the inventories are. Sales have been slow enough long enough that Apple's had probably geared down, if not stopped, production of the old Power Mac line some time ago.

Current Power Mac inventories could already be quite low, with "Crystal Clear" simply meant to help move what's left. You can bet that if new Power Macs are announced at MWNY, they won't be ready to ship immediately (or, in classic Apple fashion, they'll have way too few ready to go and quickly slam into massive backorders). The already-depleted inventory of old Power Macs could still be sold after such an announcement to anyone who's in a hurry, or who wanted to save a few bucks.

Why not stretch the promotion until to August 12, only for the current Power Macs, even if the new Power Macs have been announced at MWNY? I don't think anything can be read into the August 12 date at all.

iMacs, however... There have been plenty of stories about those piling up in warehouses. Even if Apple cuts the price to help get those inventories moving, it doesn't make sense to confuse the issue with a new iMac model until more of the old stock has been unloaded.

Good reasons to believe or disbelieve in new Power Macs at MWNY would have more to do with the readiness of the hardware, not trying to second guess the meaning of promotional offers.

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post #42 of 225
Wow thanks for your evidence.
post #43 of 225
That post was in reference to the aptly-named penhead BTW.

Keep in mind that de Plume was wrong about MWSF. He said to expect G4's based on the 7460 and if I remember correctly something way off about the iMac.
post #44 of 225
[quote]Originally posted by Buis:
<strong>No, this is not Apple disinformation. If it were, Apple would have to prematurely end the new Crystal clear savings. Has Apple ever done that before?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, as a matter of fact, yes, they have ended promos early in the past. I can recall late last summer when apple was running a promo where you would get a free CD-RW drive when you bought a Titanium Powerbook, they ended it about two weeks early, and, shortly thereafter came new PowerBooks with built-in CD-RW drives.

And the fact is, they really wouldn't have to end the promo. If you read all the paperwork for the Crystal Clear rebate it rather specifically ties the promotion to the current specifications, 800, 933 and dual 1gz. So, Apple could easily introduce new machines, the promotion simply wouldn't apply to the new apples, and it would help clear the inventory of the old models.

But anywho What was the last thing Think Secret was wrong about? I mean like totally dead wrong?

[quote]Originally posted by Spart:
<strong>Keep in mind that de Plume was wrong about MWSF. He said to expect G4's based on the 7460 and if I remember correctly something way off about the iMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Um, actually, this is exactly what Think Secret had to say about PowerMacs at MWSF

[quote]Originally at:
<a href="http://www.thinksecret.com/features/mwsf02.html" target="_blank">think secret</a>
<strong>We're hearing various reports on this front even this close to Expo, and we simply do not have enough confidence to confirm there will be a 1GHz G4 announcement. We are confident Power Macs with a G5 processor will not be announced, despite ridiculous reports from other places.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Gee, sounds pretty good to me. And he was actually quite spot-on about the flat panel imacs, though he stated that the G3 imac would get a speed bump and new colors, along with new colors for the iBook. While he was off on that note, it is important to note that they did get the Flat panel iMac specs right, and they were expecting *something* to happen to the ibook, when no one else saw a revision coming.

Overall, ThinkSecret is a pretty damn conservative rumor site. What does strike me is the change of tone in that new article. It really doesn't read the same as what's usually on the site. It feels more emotional, more urgent.

I don't doubt that we'll see a 17" iMac, it makes perfect sense, and if they introduce that, along with slightly enhanced specs, maybe an iMac Special Edition of sorts, and then slash the price on the current models by $200 or so, I think we'll be good. Of course, they don't call the iBook 14" a "special edition" so maybe not.

Anywho, I really don't think a 17" iMac and a Jaguar demo are going to be enough to keep the crowd going, so I really expect we'll see somethign new going on in the digital device arena.

I mean, really though, who knows until next wednesday anyway.

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post #45 of 225
[quote]Originally posted by Spart:
<strong>That post was in reference to the aptly-named penhead BTW.

Keep in mind that de Plume was wrong about MWSF. He said to expect G4's based on the 7460 and if I remember correctly something way off about the iMac.</strong><hr></blockquote>

yeah, in Mid/Early Dec dePlume said we would have 1.4Ghz G4 PowerMacs at MacWorld SF, with 266MHz DDR SDRAM, and Firewire 2.
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post #46 of 225
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post #47 of 225
Well Cnet is saying basically the same thing and they have been RIGHT ON for over a year now, seriously. They are the only ones that nailed the iPod at least a week before it was unveiled.
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post #48 of 225
CONFIRMED: No new Powermacs!


The old one's are selling so terribly that channels are clogged up and Apple cannot announce new Powermacs until the old are sold. Hah! That is so funny, Apple is shooting themselves in the foot by offering such antiquated hardware. The tit's run dry! Apple must produce competitive Powermacs or suffer the consequences....they are going to go belly up if they don't get out a new mobo and faster CPUs soon, as in, before Sept.
post #49 of 225
C-Net and Think Secret make a big to do about there being HUGE inventories of Powermacs.

Well, from what I have been reading, there are HUGE inventories of 15'" iMacs as well.

If they are not selling, how is a 17" model going to sell?

Maybe its just me I guess.

Oh, and here:

<a href="http://www.macminute.com/lib/020709imac.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.macminute.com/lib/020709imac.shtml</A>

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post #50 of 225
You know what, I guess I need to start thinking logically here.

What better place to show off a new iMac with a bigger screen then MacWorld Expo?

"Look everyone. Look at the awesome larger screen".

Yeah, Macworld would be a lousy place to intro new PowerMacs. You know, there is only like a hundred thousand people who will be there.

Why show a new Powermac with faster clockspeeds, faster frontside bus, DDR ram, Firewire 2, new cases to match new LCD displays?

That would be pretty stupid of Apple.

And not to mention the new Apple Store opening up the next day. Apple will get to put up huge banners touting the new big iMac display. What a technological feat! Apple jacked up the screen display by 2" and costs only 2 grand now!

Whew! I thought I was smoking some serious crack or something. Apple has a great plan here.

MacWorld, the world debut of the 17" iMac.

That will be the front page news on all the world newspapers. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

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post #51 of 225
Oh, and now this will be the second straight MacWorld where the iMac is the star of the show.

Tells you in what regards Apple places the Powermac.

Well, don't expect clockspeeds of better than 1.2 GHZ now. I had truly expected better.

Don't see Firewire 2 or a faster FSB either now. I give in on the DDR ram as it is out on the X Serve.

No wonder why this pathetic turd is not going to be shown.

Is another 3-4 weeks really going to matter?

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post #52 of 225
[quote] Tells you in what regards Apple places the Powermac. <hr></blockquote>

huh? give me a break. you have no idea why this may or may not happen and why or why not the powermac line is in the state its in. but since you think you know please send in an application to apple.com so they can use your "skills" in getting the next powermac out the door and that you alone can tell them in what regard they should place the powermac.

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post #53 of 225
I'm still trying to figure out how the discounts are going to help clear out the extra inventory. They only apply if you buy a tower and a nice expensive LCD monitor. What about all of us who just want the tower and already have a very nice monitor? I don't see a huge market for monitors priced at $1k, $2.5k and $3.5k.
post #54 of 225
Hey, I was totally jacked about a Powermac intro at MWNY.

I know, this might not be true but seems to be the most credible tidbit to date.

If a 17"iMac wins over a new Powermac, something is certainly wrong.
post #55 of 225
[quote] Now wonder why this pathetic turd is not going to be shown <hr></blockquote>

&lt;sarcasm&gt;

and if it is delayed by 3 WHOLE weeks then shame on apple for not wanting to sell out their current inventory and earn as much for their shareholders and they can.

&lt;/sarcasm&gt;
post #56 of 225
Yeah, but look at what hit they are taking to do it.

Either they were to expensive to begin with or people are looking for more performance.

One of the two.
post #57 of 225
Thanks jeff!

You got a point.

What if you don't need the freakin screen?

No discount for you!

It doesn't help the inventory situation alot, IMO.
post #58 of 225
[quote] If a 17"iMac wins over a new Powermac, something is certainly wrong.<hr></blockquote>

yes. there is. turns out apple can't predict the future sales patterns in an uneasy economy just like the gateways and dells.

A shareholder might say there is something right about apple trying to blow out as much inventory as possible before having to take a major loss by delivering them to the dump.

I hope for new machines as much as the next guy but didn't we here for over a year that they were trying to move away from macworld annoucnements HAVING to be about big new products. I did. that mean we have no one to blame but ourselves for a letdown that may or may not happen in a week.
post #59 of 225
Keyboard,

I repeat what Jeff brought up.

You HAVE to buy a overpriced display ranging from $1000.00 to $3500.00 to enjoy the big savings.

Whats wrong with that picture?
post #60 of 225
even if dePlume doesnt know what he is talking about, MacMinute, who is almost always right, just posted there own version of the "no Powermac/ 17" iMac" story. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> That is always a bad sign.

Of course they could all be running of the same source, which is what I think is happening. Now I have no idea what to believe. Please give us new Powermacs apple!

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post #61 of 225
cobra, i think that makes sense for you and me. but there are a lot of people that do not come to these boards before buying a mac.

and what if they are not only trying blow out powermacs but they are also try to blowout OLD STYLE lcds. maybe the new ones will be white and they are trying to kill 2 birds with one stone.

i'd say thats at least possible...
post #62 of 225
Maybe Apple wants to get both the current PowerMacs and ACD/ASD(HD)'s out of inventory...and that is the perfect way to do it.

de Plume is full of it.
post #63 of 225
[quote]Maybe Apple wants to get both the current PowerMacs and ACD/ASD(HD)'s out of inventory...and that is the perfect way to do it.<hr></blockquote>

Well, its not enough. $300-500 for just the TOWERS would be nice.

need the same for the LCD's.

Anyways, DePlume is full of it. He is basically reprinting C-nets story.

Amazing how Think Secret, C-Net, and MacMinute latched onto the same stuff within minutes. Literally.
post #64 of 225
[quote]Originally posted by Junkyard Dawg:
<strong>Sounds reasonable to me. IMO, a powermac delay can only mean that something great is in the works (or more negatively, that Apple can't sell the inventory they have, so they can't release any new product...ouch!).

A 17" iMac would make for an awesome show, IMO. I've been clamoring for such an iMac since forever, and finally Apple would have a great consumer desktop offering. As long as the price is right, a 17" iMac would fly off the shelves IMO.

So if no Powermacs at MWNY, then chances are better for 1.5 GHz G4s.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Is Nick de Plume's (hahaha funny name NOT) anger at his lack of a press pass so great that he posts something like this?

Is this exactly what Apple wants because it will get rid of Power Mac inventory?

I'm inclined to believe both are true, and that JYD is right, 1.5GHz machines announced in the month or two after MacWorld.

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post #65 of 225
[quote] posted 07-09-2002 09:36 PM Â*Â*Â* Â*Â* Â*Â* Â*Â* Â* Â* Â*Â*
Well, its not enough. $300-500 for just the TOWERS would be nice. <hr></blockquote>

not enough in your opinion. obviously apple marketing teams "think different"

yes. that is weird how fast the other sites posted the same stories. i think this is another case of the lazy media using other site's rumors as "confirmation"
post #66 of 225
Well, in order to get the $500 discount, you need to outlay at least $4000.00. Thats for the 1 GHZ dualie and a 17" display. Now its just $3500.00.

Man, a 17" iMac is a STEAL now.

The Powermac is DOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!!
post #67 of 225
[quote]Originally posted by Cobra:
<strong>

Well, its not enough. $300-500 for just the TOWERS would be nice.

need the same for the LCD's.

Anyways, DePlume is full of it. He is basically reprinting C-nets story.

Amazing how Think Secret, C-Net, and MacMinute latched onto the same stuff within minutes. Literally.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The more I think about it, the more I think that this leak is sanctioned by Apple. C-Net didn't post the crap about "sources believing thier own hype" either.

This confirms (new style monitors for a new style case) at least a new case for the next MacWorld. Probably an all-new one, as the current QuickSilver looks better than a theoretical white QuickSilver.

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[quote] The Powermac is DOOOOOMED!!!!!!!!! <hr></blockquote>

yes, yes. we know. the power mac is doomed, apple is doomed, wester civ. is doomed.

a delay of three whole weeks will doom us all...

&lt;cough&gt;

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post #69 of 225
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[quote]Originally posted by Cobra:<strong>
Yeah, Macworld would be a lousy place to intro new PowerMacs. You know, there is only like a hundred thousand people who will be there.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Ok, everyone needs to take just a moment and think about marketing here.

Pro hardware is generally for Pros. Not always, but generally. Pros don't need an expo to learn about a new product. They don't need to see it on the cover of Time magazine. Because Pros make money from their use of the hardware, they have an incentive to keep up on what's out there. If there's an IT staff, they'll keep up. Apple can afford to announce Xserves and eMacs and PowerMacs at special events because the people that buy these items tend to pay attention to what Apple is doing. These people, like us, read Macintouch or Maccentral every day or every week.

The expos bring a whole other dynamic. They bring large number of attendees - many of which are pros, mind you, but they also bring a large media presence - including CNN and other more mainstream outlets. For consumers, this is how they discover Apple products. You have to bring the news to them. You need stores that they'll walk past, you need magazines in their mailboxes, you need above-the-fold articles in newspapers. These people don't buy PCI cards, they don't do RAID, they don't spend $3,000 on computers. They buy MP3 players and sub $1500 computers on impulse and they want to be assured that the computer they buy won't be the usual nightmare. They want simple, stable, useful.

That's why we usually won't see pro hardware at an expo. We won't see hardware at WWDC. We probably won't see hardware at Seybold or any other specialized show. Consumer products at the consumer shows. Repeat that a few times. And don't take my word for it, take Steve's - he's the one that said they wanted to get out of the expos driving the product cycles.

Put another way, Apple would be f'ing stupid to ship dual 1.33GHz PC133 boxes to meet the 'Expo Deadline' when another 2 months might permit dual 1.5GHz DDR nForce 2 boxes to go out. And we'd be f'ing stupid to ask Apple to do this for us, just for the warm and fuzzy feeling that accompanies an insanely great keynote.

MWNY might bring the same 'ol boring rehash of Jaguar, but unless you tuned into WWDC (and I assure you, my mom missed it) then this really is the big rollout.
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post #70 of 225
The one thing Apple can say about a 17" iMac is that the screen will now be BIGGER than the eMacs 17" CRT.

post #71 of 225
These powermacs are almost 6 months old and somewhat obsolete. Seems to me that if Apple needs to move excess inventory, they could lower the price by 20% or so instead of offering rebates that require you to spend more money in order to save money.
And I thought Apple was doing a fairly good job of maintaining a 2 week inventory on their product lines. What happened?
post #72 of 225
Dumb for me to think there would be no "Pros" at MacWorld.

I guess Apple will pack in all the "Pros" at a Apple Special Event.

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post #73 of 225
[quote]These powermacs are almost 6 months old and somewhat obsolete.<hr></blockquote>

Somewhat?

The eMac/iMac are steals compared to these overpriced turds.
post #74 of 225
Short conversation between me and de Plume:

Me: man...its not like apple has ever ended a promo early, the cd-rw drive with the powerbook for instance. they probably just want to clear inventory of BOTH the PM and the displays because the displays are overdue for an overhaul. besides, apple has loads of imacs in inventory and you say they will update those as well...kind of contradicting point
de Plume: iMacs -- indeed, the channel will be a mess.
de Plume: Power Macs -- no update. Sorry. August.
Me :heh did you know cnet is quoting you?
de Plume: Yes.
Me: any idea how they get rid of the extra imacs or do they just drop the price and continue selling them?
de Plume: no idea
post #75 of 225
My sources confirm a iMac Promo starting on the 12th.

I will send de Plume an e-mail on this.
post #76 of 225
Looking on the bright side for a moment:

A 17" speed-bumped iMac would be a really nice machine. Dare we hope for 1 GHz on a 133 MHz bus?

Jaguar is the big news and Apple will rightfully want to play it up. It's everything people have been asking for in OS X (and then some).
post #77 of 225
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[quote]Originally posted by Cobra:
<strong>Dumb for me to think there would be no "Pros" at MacWorld.

I guess Apple will pack in all the "Pros" at a Apple Special Event.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

There are tons of Pros at the expo, but they aren't necessarily there to see what Apple intros. We send people to check out the other hardware and software vendors that can't send people to visit us. I had an Apple engineer out 2 weeks ago to show off the Xserve. I have a different guy coming tomorrow to talk about what they can do to get me to buy more stuff. I can't get Steltor to do that, or Mathematica, or Waves In Motion, or Bare Bones. But I can go to the expo and usually see all those folks.

If Apple intros pro hardware, bumped Xserves, etc. in August, I'll know it.

The non-tech people that work for me that only use the hardware, have no clue of what comes out when. They find out through mass-media outlets and always ask around expo time if they should upgrade their machine at home, etc. They get the word on the consumer stuff and I get the word on the pro stuff. In other words, it works very well this way.
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post #78 of 225
Are the folks at Spymac out to dinner right now?

No "update" yet?

post #79 of 225
I wonder what the specs will be on the 17in iMac.

The only way I see the 17in iMac having a good rollout is if there is a price drop or incentive on the 15in iMacs.

Hopefully the 17in iMac will have at least a 1GHZ G4, 133 mhz bus, Superdrive and a Geforce 4mx.

As for Powermacs, no biggie if they don't show. Macworld is for consumers. I would preface that by saying that the new Powermacs in August had best be nice machines!
post #80 of 225
Argh. The waiting game continues. Looks like this MWNY will be a coming out party for Jaguar. I guess I would rather a couple of months for a better Powermac than have Apple release some lame exscuse for an upgrade. I just hope the wait is worth it. Apple will have to sweeten the pot with much better prices than the current LCD discounts to get rid of their inventory. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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