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post #1 of 114
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Googling around...

<a href="http://www.macobserver.com/editorial/2000/08/04.1.shtml" target="_blank">The original 2000 story.</a>

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The Mac Observer Spin: Apple is a paranoid company, but as the old saying goes, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you!

Worker bee is a bad apple for sure. But it is AppleInsider that encourages this type of criminal activity. AppleInsider's forums are a sewer for losers in search of their long lost self-esteem. The nature of AppleInsider's business is closer to a porno site than a legitimate news source. They are part and parcel of that dark underbelly of the Internet we all know exists.

It's a shame that AppleInsider provides a comfortable home for a cabal of twerps who wish they were on the inside at Apple. But it's even worse that AppleInsider is fed by a few truly demented individuals who really are malicious moles in Apple or Apple-related organizations. Apple certainly has every right to hunt down NDA or IPA violators and prosecute them to the full extent of the law.

The Mac Faithful community should pester AppleInsider to change its foul ways. AppleInsider does not support or offer useful critiques of Apple Inc. in any way. In fact, AppleInsider is offering a forum for those who hate Apple and would sell out the company's secret for the mere approval of their pseudonymous cohorts. Is it possible that Kasper might work for an eMachines and would like to meet worker bee to offer him real cash for information on future products?

It appears that AppleInsider's forums do harbor true corporate spies and the forum chatter leads this observer to believe that money has changed hands in the past for Apple's trade secrets. Can AppleInsider be held liable for aiding and abetting criminal activities and shut down -- much like a social club that is in reality a front for prostitution or drug dealing?

AppleInsider will claim full protection under the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights to conduct these forums which are an offense to common decency. We are big supporters of the First Amendment right to free speech and to peaceably assemble. They have the right to publish just about anything they want. And we are well within our rights to call a den of thieves a den of thieves!<hr></blockquote>

So who are the real old timers around here. Who remembers this? I joined in 2001 so this is a solid year before my time.
post #2 of 114
i remember it very vividly

pissed me off

hypocrits
post #3 of 114
I joined in January 2000, just prior to attending my first (and so far, ONLY) Macworld Expo in Frisco (the one that first unveiled OS X).

But I don't recall the nasty article above. I might not have been paying attention that week.
post #4 of 114
::gumming on a doughnut::

I remember that story like it was YESTERDAY! I remember being pissed off, but then laughing at the article....felt like they were doing a line from Star Wars...something about Mos Eisley being a "hive of scum and villany".

I joined AI in January '99 and shortly ordered my Blue & White G3 within the next month or two. The Yosemite case was BRAND NEW back then. In fact, it was AI that first broke the story of the new form factor. Back then I dropped some cash for a matching flat panel monitor for the machine. I was very excited about that machine...and I still love that machine.
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post #5 of 114
Been here since 1999, I remember it well.

Before that, I occasionally saw something interesting from macobserver.com, linked on macsurfer.com, and visited macobserver.

since then I don't give them my clicks, click-throughs, or eyeballs

damn self-important assho1es !!
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post #6 of 114
The funny thing is that whoever wrote that article most likely checked AI every day to see if there were any good leaks. That is just that sites attempt to be a "legit" site or just kiss Apple's ass.

I remember that like it was yesterday. Worker Bee telling everyone the new Mac looks like a Kleenex Box and everyone just telling him he is lying and full of it. Ahhhh...great times indeed.
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post #7 of 114
Wasn't the Kasper mentioned in that article the person that was with SlapTech.com (which seems to have a few billing problems at the time) when they put the main page back to the way it used to be before AI was just forums?

And on a little bit of a side note; a little bit ago when appleinsider.com stopped working and you had to go to forums.appleinsider.com (I think this was late summer) and nobody knew why for a while... does anybody know why? I was told by a friend that I think was told in appleinsider chat in iChat that it was because the MacNN server that AI is on was pinged to the point of crippling it. I also believe that they told me the ping came from Apple themselves... But, as you can tell by my extensive use of italics, I don't know how much of that I should believe.
post #8 of 114
Bryan Chaffin was generally cool back when the site was called Webintosh. I used to play Myth with him quite a bit. I don't know how involved he is with the site now.
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post #9 of 114
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I think the blackout came from the slaptech purchase of appleinsider from macnn. A dns fluke.

Does anyone know whatever came of this? What happened to worker bee? How the trial turned out? Has this always been Jon's board?
post #10 of 114
See what happens when you believe silly rumours iBrowse <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" />
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post #11 of 114
The really funny thing is that MacObserver had a really good mole who allowed them to post detailed specs of products that Apple was going to release. For a good while there they were one of the most accurate last-minute-revelation sites. They stopped very shortly before that article ran. Ha!

The guy responsible for writing it normally seems to have a good head on his shoulders, but he definitely went tilting at windmills that time. Ah well. Luther said, if you must sin, sin boldly.
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post #12 of 114
[quote]Originally posted by Mount_my_floppy:
<strong>See what happens when you believe silly rumours iBrowse <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, I have stupid friends anyway.
post #13 of 114
I've been on AppleInsider since very early 2001.

Not the most impressive, but not a n00bie.

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post #14 of 114
I've been a member since late 1998. I remember that article and the hate mail and messages that followed. They issued an apology shortly after.

I remember telling worker bee that I didn't believe him about the PowerBook G4 because Apple would *never* be crazy enough to drop a firewire port from the then current PowerBook G3 (Pismo). Still waiting for the first PowerBook G4 with more than one Firewire port to ship.
post #15 of 114
I was here starting sometime late in 1999 (gEEk at the time). I had alot more time on my hands for posting back then!

Vividly remember the whole WorkerBee thing. (but I think I miss MaDToOL/68K/Mrs.Tron more... )
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post #16 of 114
[quote]Originally posted by Fran441:
<strong>I remember telling worker bee that I didn't believe him about the PowerBook G4 because Apple would *never* be crazy enough to drop a firewire port from the then current PowerBook G3 (Pismo). Still waiting for the first PowerBook G4 with more than one Firewire port to ship. </strong><hr></blockquote>
The 17" PowerBook has 2 (one 800 and one 400 specifically)
post #17 of 114
[quote]Originally posted by serrano:
<strong>Has this always been Jon's board?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Jon only came on board after the 'great blackout'. Administration before that went roughly Kasper/Jeff (original founders) -&gt; Mark -&gt; EriMac -&gt; seb/robo -&gt; seb/Amorph -&gt; Jon/Amorph -&gt; Jon/Amorph/Brad
post #18 of 114
[quote]The 17" PowerBook has 2 (one 800 and one 400 specifically) <hr></blockquote>

Yes, but I said I'm still waiting for it to ship.

post #19 of 114
I first registered at AI in Feb. 2000, Feb. 20th to be exact. 3 years and 5 days ago. That's crazy, I didn't even think about it.

Anyway, I remember when that happened. I never really believe what Workerbee had to say at the time.
post #20 of 114
I joined July or August of 1999, but lurked and read the forums and front page since it was actually a part of MacNN called "Reality".

I remember some of the oldies that never returned after the Great Blackout such as PowerMac G4 and PeterB and BarrySharp and...

Anyhow, I remember that article too. A number of people are still pissed at Mac Observer about it even today. I do indeed remember it well. It reeked of bullshit.

[ 02-25-2003: Message edited by: Brad ]</p>
post #21 of 114
Gee. . . I registered all the way back in the summer of 1999. I had a bit over 1000 posts then, and now a bit over 1000 posts. . . Pre and post blackout.
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post #22 of 114
How could I forget Workerbee....I arrived here right as the first Kormac debates were happening, I remember there was a huge thread where many people refuted his ideas, and many bought in.
I've been here since 1999, but I was never a very active poster, and I used a different name back then.
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post #23 of 114
Registered early 1999. I think it was January. Had zillion posts before the Great Blackout. Was in the top five or ten. because of the very relaxed job I had back then ($20/h customer service job with the largest mobile phone service provider) Took 25-30 calls a day so had a lot of time on my hand.

Remember the WorkerBee thing clearly. Refuted it as the usual attention seeking animals that hang around FH. So I was wrong only one out of at least 50 times. It was not until he posted the picture of the Cube I thought "Hmm this could be something".
post #24 of 114
I think I stumbled upon that article about 6 months ago and that's how I found out about AI!
post #25 of 114
gEEk?!
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post #26 of 114
Wow :eek: Missed that one.

Trying to get in here undercover
post #27 of 114
I was here when the likes of barrysharpe et al were regulars. However, I have changed my screen-name since then. I guess it must have been 1999 when i first registered.

Wow, nostalgia

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post #28 of 114
I remember her, I was under the name of SchillerFat at the time.
post #29 of 114
gEEk!

I was (drum roll) Amorph. I can't remember when I registered. How sad is that? I've been following AI since it was Reality, though.
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post #30 of 114
was applenut, am applenut, will be applenut.

registered nov 99 after being a looker for a while. i think i first came because i was looking to buy a G4 when they were released and started to read rumors to see when they would be.


used to have the most posts.... but then EmAn came along and blew me away in a week with his one liners

Probably best moment for me was Mercury Rising )

although it was also the most dissapointing
post #31 of 114
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>was applenut, am applenut, will be applenut.

registered nov 99 after being a looker for a while. i think i first came because i was looking to buy a G4 when they were released and started to read rumors to see when they would be.


used to have the most posts.... but then EmAn came along and blew me away in a week with his one liners

Probably best moment for me was Mercury Rising )

although it was also the most dissapointing</strong><hr></blockquote>

hey hey it was "Mercury Rising ("
post #32 of 114
Yeah, I called BS on that whole crazy "cube" idea....I mean, Apple had to know that nobody would want such a weird niche product.

So I was wrong.

But I was right too....


I remember a lot of the old screen names, and when the Great Blackout occurred I was JONESing for the AI messageboards. I think I stumbled across a broadcast from one of the old members over at MacNN who told all the AI regulars to show up over at the Bad Flamingo board.

In the space of a month we had a lot of "reunions". It was a very nice bolt hole during the dark days. I almost decided to stay there until I saw that everybody zoomed right back over here again.

I was disappointed to see that my screen name had been lost in the shuffle...having to start back with ZERO posts and Junior Member status sucked.

During that time we heard a lot of scoop and poop about what was happening with AI. We heard a lot about someone by the name of "Monish" who was supposedly letting AI die a lingering death because of a crappy server.

Never found out exactly what happened THERE.
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post #33 of 114
Yeah, I went to Bad Flamingo. I remember than the minute AI went back online, BF was deserted. I'm pretty sure the last post ever there was "AI is back up!".

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post #34 of 114
[quote]Originally posted by Barto:
<strong>Yeah, I went to Bad Flamingo. I remember than the minute AI went back online, BF was deserted. I'm pretty sure the last post ever there was "AI is back up!".

Barto</strong><hr></blockquote>

scary place... I was a moderator
post #35 of 114
I'm just checking in. I've been here since Spring '99.

I remember when this grey look was new.
post #36 of 114
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>
Probably best moment for me was Mercury Rising )

although it was also the most dissapointing</strong><hr></blockquote>

AFAIR you got yer ass kicked royally in that thread But thats okay. You were still old Applenut back then.

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[quote]Originally posted by drewprops:
<strong>Yeah, I called BS on that whole crazy "cube" idea....I mean, Apple had to know that nobody would want such a weird niche product.

So I was wrong.

But I was right too....


I remember a lot of the old screen names, and when the Great Blackout occurred I was JONESing for the AI messageboards. I think I stumbled across a broadcast from one of the old members over at MacNN who told all the AI regulars to show up over at the Bad Flamingo board.

In the space of a month we had a lot of "reunions". It was a very nice bolt hole during the dark days. I almost decided to stay there until I saw that everybody zoomed right back over here again.

I was disappointed to see that my screen name had been lost in the shuffle...having to start back with ZERO posts and Junior Member status sucked.

During that time we heard a lot of scoop and poop about what was happening with AI. We heard a lot about someone by the name of "Monish" who was supposedly letting AI die a lingering death because of a crappy server.

Never found out exactly what happened THERE.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yes speaking about Cube. The rumours said that AI was hosted on a Cube and everything was lost when it disappeared.

Anyone can confirm that now?
post #38 of 114
[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>gEEk?!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, in the flesh! After the Great Blackout, I was kinda out of the loop, being extremely busy at work on a new gigabit ethernet board.

My earliest memory of AI is of late 1999 when I posted a question of what the deal was with watermelons and cats. Amalgam of the responses: "if you don't know, you don't deserve to know!"
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post #39 of 114
We're not going to bring up Mercury Rising ( again, are we?
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[quote]Originally posted by serrano:
<strong>What happened to worker bee?</strong><hr></blockquote>

<a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1040-271221.html" target="_blank">See here</a>
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