New PowerMac pictures leaked - Page 4

[quote]Originally posted by eza:
<strong>i'm surprised no one's commented on the supposed "turbine cooling". considering fan placement, air intakes on the front, and what looks like a perforated back panel, air flow through the box has got to be sweet.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, whoever did that doesn't know what a turbine is.

If 512MB sticks cost under $100 each, does anyone know what 1GB sticks of DDR will cost?

NM

[ 07-21-2002: Message edited by: Spart ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by BJNY:
<strong>If 512MB sticks cost under $100 each, does anyone know what 1GB sticks of DDR will cost?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I think the 1gb sticks made by infineon are quite expensive, about the price of a eMac last time I heared. If I had the chance to buy a powermac I'd go with 2x512 now and again 2x512 a few months later.

Geez, if I think that my first computer had 2 mb of ram and around 20 mb of hard disk... sheesh!

[quote] The G4 is definately the most lackluster line ever. Rearranging the internals and replacing the front/back panels 3 times is hardly worthy of Apple.<hr></blockquote>

It's just that the current tower is such a kick-ass design. Many expect them to come up with something even better, which is almost impossible. If they do a total makeover, I fear that the result will be worse. Personally I'd like them to focus on the internals for the most part. The biggest problem with the PowerMac is what's (not) on the motherboard.

Gig PC133 DIMMS at Crucial weigh in at about $450. Not DDR, I know, but I'd expect it to be in the same ballpark.

[quote]Originally posted by wfzelle:
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It's just that the current tower is such a kick-ass design. If they do a total makeover, I fear that the result will be worse.</strong><hr></blockquote>


That is exactly what I am thinking too. No way I would buy something without the door anymore.
And if you take the door for given it's very hard to come up with something radically new. It may be square, with handles or without or higher or more cubic or whatever, but the door basically dominates the design.


bye.

It's a real pic guys and the botom is not airbrushed. The botton of the current towers is CURVED whith means it HAS NO EDGE. Also, the viewing angle in which the shot was taken is higer then the agnle needed to produce a shadow UNDER the CURVED edge. So, their is no shadow which creates a smooth edge that overlays the table. So you guys in haste immedialtely assume fake, it's airbrushed. Sorry, WRONG.

wonder why they didn't take off the plastic to take a picture of it and why the strange angle pictures of the insides. Photo illiterate or just trying to......

[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>It's a real pic guys and the botom is not airbrushed. The botton of the current towers is CURVED whith means it HAS NO EDGE. Also, the viewing angle in which the shot was taken is higer then the agnle needed to produce a shadow UNDER the CURVED edge. So, their is no shadow which creates a smooth edge that overlays the table. So you guys in haste immedialtely assume fake, it's airbrushed. Sorry, WRONG.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Also take into account the fact that the pics are a bit distorted. (not just height, but perspective etc.)

Hey all of your bitching folks:

See that the Mac is still in a plastic bag? The handles are no yikes/sawtooth handles and maybe the bottom of the front looks blurry, that's because of the bad resolution, the skewing of the page and the plastic bag.

I'm really convinced that this PowerMac is the real thing, just as I was convinced that the leaked Quicksilver pic was true.

Hopefully this time Apple provides good specs just as Superdrive even in the low end model.

Greets
olli_g

This thing is pretty ugly, but that's what I thought when I saw the leaked QuickSilver pics. I have a feeling this is fake though.

Even if the case is fake, who can explain away the motherboard?

If you look closely there is a large-ish black connector on the motherboard in the same place as the "FireWire 2" connector on the infamous red ebay mobo.

I rotatd that image to match these new photos and the connector is still there. There is a large "box" on the back panel ABOVE the connector (modem prolly) and the connector is obviously the same size, shape and position as the red ebay mobo.

Look closely, its there.

If this is all real (red ebay mobo, this) then damn thats some weird shit Apple. Whoa. Sorry for the cuss word. Thats just a WEIRD looking Mac style. Wow.

[quote]Originally posted by Telomar:
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I'm inclined to believe he's the real deal too. Lets just hope he has a job come tomorrow
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every time I read your sig, I just have to stop and laugh my butt off.
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[ 07-21-2002: Message edited by: tsukurite ]</p>

I've seen lots of talk about "how convenient" the plastic wrap is on "hard to fake areas" like the Apple logo and the metal drive bays.

Umm... how many of you guys have actually unpacked a G4 lately? Shit, even my old G4 350 AGP shipped with plastic sheets over the apple logo, drive bay, etc.

Taking the protecting plastic, bad lighting, and skewed height, I'd say this is one sweet looking case.

I'm not to fond of the style either but when I first saw pics of the quicksilver, I didn't think to much of it either until I saw it in person (same goes for the Dodge viper. To me, it looked ugly in person until I saw it in person). So maybe this white box will look better when seeing it in person. And, if by some slim chance in heck it does come with the G5, then I really don't care what it looks like.

Crap someone pressed the return key while I was making breakfast. Ah the power of kids running around like wild animals, they act like they haven't eaten in days.

Anywho.

There is one box mockup that I really liked (with a little work) that is somewhat retro-ish. its a rounded corner box metalic looking up on posts or legs. Flat front, the longitudinal lines are rounded.

This is similar to a Sony G4-ish design that I liked except for the whole feature-overkill and Windoze inside. Simple, clean, efficient.

Then we have the current G4 case aka El Capitan.

All of the curves on the El Capitan really limits the usable space of the design. The front panel is limited vertically because the corners turn in on the top and bottom. You could fit three front bays in there (with a different mobo arrangement and power supply, rather like what we see in this newest "leak").

Are they even TRYING to improve the design or just fit more/new junk in there?

If the case was made taller and squared off they would not have to rearrage and CRAM all the drives and whatnot in there every revision.

Is Apple spinng its tires this year or are we just expecting way too much?

The only redeemer is the 4 gig. of RAM. How many other mid-level PeeCees max. at 4 gig (not 2, 3.5)? That will really help Maya, FCP, DVDSP and the compositing apps Apple bought up. Office will probably finally run okay too.

I love ya Apple, but this is turning into an unhealthy relationship. My needs are just not beeing met and I am starting to grow bored. Software may sell the hardware, but its the hardware that most people see first.

my perspective:
after having had a good long hard look at the pics (rescaled in photoshop) and the red ebay board, I think:

It's an old photo of an early prototype of the next revision, the unfinished externals and the date on the mobo of 2001 just seem to point to it being old. I'm not saying this case isn't what we;ll get in a slightly jazed up form, just that it is an old photo.

If you look at the red ebay mobo and the one from the french pics, many of the elements are in the same places, the only real difference is the french pics show that 45 deg placed chip (maybe a processor maybe not) but the connector for a daughtercard is still there, so my guess on this is: either it's an early board, again inidcated by the dating and had a G4 745x on it to test other components, or the other processor something else (i don't know what, unified controller chip? you tell me.

I think it might be a bit fatter than the current El Cap, to fit the 2 5 1/4 drives.
That PDF is cr*p too, written after seeing the pics secondhand and guessing at configuration.
I agree about it being a DDR board and that the big PCI board is diagnostic, although maybe it's an internal hardware RAID? oh please!

By the way, can anyone ID the graphics card in the AGP slot, that might help us date the pics better?...

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Well, at least the case picture looks authentic to me, even though it may indeed be a pic of an older mule. I'm glad to see double 5.25" drive bays. I trust that Apple will do just fine with the internals.

I'm also looking forward to a 17" wide-screen Studio/Cinema display.

I think this is the year my Rev.A iMac is going to be replaced by a PowerMac.

Escher

[quote]Originally posted by Cipher13:
<strong>As I posted at MacNN...:

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.... DDR is SDRam ....

Maybe the reason why the pictures are so bad as to look fake is that they guy who took them had about 4.2 seconds before he was caught.

He snapped a few quickies before anyone was looking,m and then bolted.

That's my theory.

And I think some of you will NEVER be satisfied.

Sheesh. DDR, full drive bays, faster proc (large heat sink), lots of RAM, and you are still saying it's not enough?

What more do you need?

ting5

Now one thing puzzles me, if the processor is so stinking hot that they have to redo the cooling system and they're going with a dramatic reshuffle of the internal arrangement why not put the processor (the hottest component) at the top so they can take advantage of the chimmney effect (the air being heated at the top rises and lowers the air pressure in the case and draws in cool air at the bottom). I mean they've been doing fanless solutions for a while, it seems like they'd be doing something a bit more sophisticated than the PCish mega heat sink msking up for so-so airflow.

The pictures have been taken down...is this a sign?

[quote]Originally posted by Yet Another Registration:
<strong>Maybe the reason why the pictures are so bad as to look fake is that they guy who took them had about 4.2 seconds before he was caught.

He snapped a few quickies before anyone was looking,m and then bolted.
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Stands to reason if we only had the external shots, but whoever did it had time to shoot the interior, pull the proc card and shoot it w/o the heat sink. I mean he could have snuck in a couple times over a few day period I guess and shot it as the engineers were at different stages of evaluation, but what 3rd party outfit Apple'd be dealing with would need to yank the proc card from the machine?

[quote]Originally posted by Yet Another Registration:
<strong>Maybe the reason why the pictures are so bad as to look fake is that they guy who took them had about 4.2 seconds before he was caught.

He snapped a few quickies before anyone was looking,m and then bolted.

That's my theory.

And I think some of you will NEVER be satisfied.

Sheesh. DDR, full drive bays, faster proc (large heat sink), lots of RAM, and you are still saying it's not enough?

What more do you need?

ting5</strong><hr></blockquote>

"What more do you need?"

A PM release in mid-August

I don't even find the case intersting.

The PCB and the electronics are MUCH harder, if not almost impossible, to fake.

The case is almost surely a test bed, much like the spy photos you see of cars in the Auto mags before production.

Every new 'hoax' we see is always a case only picture. This is highly elaborate and well beyond the abilities of a Simple PhotoChop.

At the very least it is hardware parts specifically crafted to match the 'red board' and photographed.

Prediction: the new logic board will have this shape and and layout. The new case will have this metal door. Other than that similarities to these photos will be few.

[quote]Originally posted by G-News:
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Looks better at only 390 height.

[ 07-21-2002: Message edited by: G-News ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Which one is it do you think? BRING BACK THE G4 Cube.

I was actually hoping for the G4 Sphere

well, they are down, so either the site is looking to fool us, or they were real

EDIT: Hey, i was the last on this page. I was the first and last on this page <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

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[quote]Originally posted by BobtheTomato:
<strong>Now one thing puzzles me, if the processor is so stinking hot that they have to redo the cooling system and they're going with a dramatic reshuffle of the internal arrangement why not put the processor (the hottest component) at the top so they can take advantage of the chimmney effect (the air being heated at the top rises and lowers the air pressure in the case and draws in cool air at the bottom). I mean they've been doing fanless solutions for a while, it seems like they'd be doing something a bit more sophisticated than the PCish mega heat sink msking up for so-so airflow.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Hehe. Maybe it's gotta be somewhat hot to work properly, just not melting.

[quote]Originally posted by mrkennedy:
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Why not a french site ?
What a dumb post !</strong><hr></blockquote>

I was just saying that if the person works in Cupertino, why would they choose a site based out of France. It wasn't anyhting against France.

...well, cipher, to respond....

...the reason the tape is all over it is because it a new puter straight out of the box, most likely. If you have ever unpacked a new G4 that plastic is covered with protective plastic on all parts. But those are defintiely the same handles as the ones on the QS sittin right here in front of me.

And the reason I think its a new puter is because, most likely is was supposed to ship at MWNY, but either sales were too slow to clear out the old models, or there is a shortage of chips to fill orders. More than likely, its a channel inventory problem. So, could be this photo comes from a dude in a warehouse somewhere.

As for the front panel everyone is asking about, I'd say it has to do with plastic quality issues. Anyone who has a QSG4 knows what I'm talking about. The QS forms little flow lines around and between the front panel drive bay doors. I'm sure this is to reduce or prevent these unsightly blemishes.. Its easier to mold the plastic around a large opening like this than two small openings like on the current QS.

But, its definitely a real and different case on the inside. And as for SDRAM, DDR RAM is SDRAM.

Also, the speaker is defintely a different design than on the current QS. It looks more flush than the deeply setback one on my QS.

Oh, and to those wondering about vertical HDs, anyone who has owned a Cube knows that Apple has shipped vertically mounted HDs before.

No doubt, this is the exact same board that appeared on eBay a while back. And, it will be nice to have hardware RAID on board, if that chip set supports it (which I would think it would, why else put 2 IDE ports for HDs).

All in all, I'm excited to see this case. Still has the great easy open design of the current design, but throws in DDR, dual IDE, and 2 5.25 external drive bays. Very nice, very nice.

BTW, the front panel may be polished, Apple is moving in that polished chrome direction with the iPod, iMac, etc.

I guess we'll know for sure August 13th?

A lot of people are saying that it is very "un-Apple", but untill the 1998 iMacs, "Apple" was a beige box like everyone else.

[quote]Originally posted by Nebagakid:
<strong>well, they are down, so either the site is looking to fool us, or they were real</strong><hr></blockquote>

or they got an email from your source: "You guys are such goobers..." or words to that effect

[quote]Originally posted by BobtheTomato:
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Stands to reason if we only had the external shots, but whoever did it had time to shoot the interior, pull the proc card and shoot it w/o the heat sink. I mean he could have snuck in a couple times over a few day period I guess and shot it as the engineers were at different stages of evaluation, but what 3rd party outfit Apple'd be dealing with would need to yank the proc card from the machine?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Unless they've been testing a new mobo with older CPU for a while, and Apple just FedExed them a new daughtercard and heatsink.

[quote]Originally posted by xype:
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I think the 1gb sticks made by infineon are quite expensive, about the price of a eMac last time I heared. If I had the chance to buy a powermac I'd go with 2x512 now and again 2x512 a few months later.

Geez, if I think that my first computer had 2 mb of ram and around 20 mb of hard disk... sheesh!</strong><hr></blockquote>

I know what you mean, my first had 64k, and that was WITH a $300 extra memory card. I keep remembering that "640k is enough for anyone" comment......

Dang, somehow I missed the pics (and now can only see the remenants. ) Oh well.

Anyone have the leaked Quicksilver pics still? If so post em. We all thought those were fake and photoshopped.

By the way...how long till Dorsal shoves his head in here saying that he has been testing these machines?!? <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan Brisby:
<strong>Dang, somehow I missed the pics (and now can only see the remenants. ) Oh well.</strong><hr></blockquote>

:confused:

They are still here:

<a href="http://www.macbidouille.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2002-07-21#3087" target="_blank">http://www.macbidouille.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2002-07-21#3087</a>

They just changed the image names.

[ 07-21-2002: Message edited by: JLL ]</p>

in the PDF, at the very top the following text appears (behind a white block it seems)

--Apple PowerMac G4 (& G5 Concept)--

you can copy and paste to check it out...