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post #161 of 689
Previous posts say the pics are gone. Not so at
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post #162 of 689
If there's ever a G5 in this thing it'll probably be the G5 equivalent of 'Yikes!'
post #163 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:
<strong>fake.

look at the bottom of the exterior picture.

it's airbrushed.

poorly airbrushed.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Whatever. There's no way to tell if it's faked from that pic. Are you in denial?
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post #164 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by BJNY:
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Shouldn't we expect that the silver square thingy be covered by a plastic faceplate the same color as the rest of the front?</strong><hr></blockquote>

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post #165 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by OverToasty:
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10 Points!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually, I don't expect that at all. There's no point in having that face plate then. It also looks flush with the rest of the face...and what about the power button?

The doors would definitely not be covered...maybe the rim...

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post #166 of 689
I am gonna throw this out again:

The face plate is the only piece we will see on the shipping version. Unlike the rest, it is too refined. The rest is just a mucked up test case to hold the internals.

My guess is that it actually is a part that belongs on a whole different chassis. It is used because there are no other Dual CD bay covers within Apple.
post #167 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
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Whatever. There's no way to tell if it's faked from that pic. Are you in denial? </strong><hr></blockquote>


I'm gonna go on record and saying this is a test mule.

The silver middle bits are all that we'll see in the new case.

El Cap is dead.

(btw, dig your new pension?)

edit: jsut saw the poswt ahead of me. yep.

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post #168 of 689
Guys this is the real thing, no doubt about it. There are plastics covering the whole thing and that distorts the whole reflective qualities of the case. A truer image would have been possible with the removal of the shipping plastic film. One Question though; do both flap doors flip up? Or do the attach to the CD-tray like the Sony VAIO?
post #169 of 689
Agree with the last few... though I'm not going to take a guess on the age of the box, it looks cobbled... the design isn't integrated.

Saw this thing for the first time this AM - and first thought was Sneaker Case. Make it look close enough to the current models that only a trained eye would look twice. (That and having seen a few hundred "spy" pictures from Auto makers testing new cars... all of the shape/detail hiding elements that are added - or putting an entirely different car underneath a common shell that will fit on the same frame.)

I'm **hoping** that this is a sneaker case, at least. Too unrefined otherwise...
post #170 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by Jonathan:
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I'm gonna go on record and saying this is a test mule.

The silver middle bits are all that we'll see in the new case.

El Cap is dead.

(btw, dig your new pension?)

edit: jsut saw the poswt ahead of me. yep.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It seems to me like they are at least going to use some evolution of the El Capitan case. They way the two boards we have seen are cut, those fit right into them. Also, Apple58 mentions the photos are old though he says the appearance changes are minimal.
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post #171 of 689
In regards to the DDR is SDRAM comment put out by several folks.

This is technically true, but not at all reassuring. Bus speed/data rate matter. SDRAM includes everything from the 66Mhz stuff in my iMac rev. A to the DDR (double data rate) 333Mhz (166Mhz X2) stuff that is just starting to get put into some quality Wintel PCs. The question with the new PMs is, is it going to be PC 133 SDRAM like in the current revs, or is it going to be either 266 or 333 DDR SDRAM.

Only the cheapest PC's are shipping with PC 133 SDRAM right now. Apple does have a bottleneck with processors, and we can blame Motorola, but with RAM they need to sort things out so that they're as cutting edge as they have been with wireless networking and Superdisks, or at least quasi-current like they were with CD-R/W. Frankly, if RDRAM was reasonably priced I'd expect Apple to be trying to use it.

4 GB of 266 or 333 DDR SDRAM would be awesome. 4 GB capacity for PC 133 SDRAM would be little more than a lame attempt to make up for including outdated technology in a $2000-$5000 system.

These things will sit on shelves if they don't have better memory, and a quasi-meaningfull speed bump. Unless, heaven forbid, Apple did a massive price drop on the PM line and acknowledged, at least for the moment, that their Pro handware is anything *but* cutting edge.

*sigh* and no, I'm not flame bait. I want to buy a new Mac as soon as there's something worth my money, and I'm hoping for either a price dump or an awesome system, because I'm not buying another all-in-one system. iMac was an awesome deal in it's time, but I'm not buy a new display every 2 years, especially if it's an expensive LCD.
post #172 of 689
This is my first post ever, but I had to say something.
If you look at the picture that somebody resized to look right (ie. shorter and fatter) you will see that it is a standard El Cap case with a new faceplate and probably a new backplate to accomodate the new motherboard. As for the metal front, could this be what a build-to-order unit that hasn't had the optical drive of choice and accompanying faceplate installed yet?

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post #173 of 689
The case looks white to me. I like it.

The more I look at it. The more I think. 'G5'.

I hope so.

a 32 bit G5.

I'd take that.

Yeah. I'd blink.


On 400 ddr ram.

Oh yeah.

Give it to me.

Baby.

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The more I see that case...the more I say. Okay.

I just hope it's more than a dual 1.2 G4 bump.

Those 'air vents' indicate a monster is going in there. Unless they hope to cut down on the tower noise by having a fan that works some of the time. Convection cooling ala cubey?

Hmmm. C'mon, Apple. Stop teasing me...you know I can't take it...

HEY, Macrumors have a source that confirmed the appearance of these pics as the new Towers aesthetia!!!

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post #174 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by Outsider:
<strong>One Question though; do both flap doors flip up? Or do the attach to the CD-tray like the Sony VAIO?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I thought the PDF said they were hinged
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post #175 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by zaz:
<strong>I am gonna throw this out again:

The face plate is the only piece we will see on the shipping version. Unlike the rest, it is too refined. The rest is just a mucked up test case to hold the internals.

My guess is that it actually is a part that belongs on a whole different chassis. It is used because there are no other Dual CD bay covers within Apple.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If it's just a test case why bother with some styled vent holes in the front with Polished aluminum inserts? It'd make more sense to just dremel some vent holes in the front of the thing since it's just an internal prototype. I can buy it's a prototype but the holes had some design effort expended on them
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post #176 of 689
For the last time.

The Power Mac will have DDR SDRAM. I don't know if they're going to use the Xserve interim solution or if they have something new, but it WILL have DDR.

The slots in the red motherboard ARE DDR. anybody who isn't blind can see this. They are keyed for DDR DIMMs. You cannot physically fit a regular 168-pin SDRAM module of ANY kind into it.

The board in the other photos is basically the same as the red board.

DDR is almost as inexpensive as PC133. There's no point in holding it back.
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post #177 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by WilsonStark:
<strong>In regards to the DDR is SDRAM comment put out by several folks.

This is technically true, but not at all reassuring. Bus speed/data rate matter. SDRAM includes everything from the 66Mhz stuff in my iMac rev. A to the DDR (double data rate) 333Mhz (166Mhz X2) stuff that is just starting to get put into some quality Wintel PCs. The question with the new PMs is, is it going to be PC 133 SDRAM like in the current revs, or is it going to be either 266 or 333 DDR SDRAM.

Only the cheapest PC's are shipping with PC 133 SDRAM right now. Apple does have a bottleneck with processors, and we can blame Motorola, but with RAM they need to sort things out so that they're as cutting edge as they have been with wireless networking and Superdisks, or at least quasi-current like they were with CD-R/W. Frankly, if RDRAM was reasonably priced I'd expect Apple to be trying to use it.

4 GB of 266 or 333 DDR SDRAM would be awesome. 4 GB capacity for PC 133 SDRAM would be little more than a lame attempt to make up for including outdated technology in a $2000-$5000 system.

These things will sit on shelves if they don't have better memory, and a quasi-meaningfull speed bump. Unless, heaven forbid, Apple did a massive price drop on the PM line and acknowledged, at least for the moment, that their Pro handware is anything *but* cutting edge.

*sigh* and no, I'm not flame bait. I want to buy a new Mac as soon as there's something worth my money, and I'm hoping for either a price dump or an awesome system, because I'm not buying another all-in-one system. iMac was an awesome deal in it's time, but I'm not buy a new display every 2 years, especially if it's an expensive LCD.</strong><hr></blockquote>

This is all true, but a complete redesign of a motherboard brings with it certain fundamental certainties.

1. At the very least among these would be DDR. Whether ala' xServe or different, you can be sure it will come.

2. This board is identical in almost all ways to the 'red board' we have already seen and we know it to have DDR.

If this is all fakery, whomever did it went to extremely great lengths to copy and redesign a previous leak and then add to it.


We only knew little about the 'red board' and its dimensions, yet this is identical in shape and after observation may seem as though it is just a copy, but contains angles that were not previously measurable with any accuracy.

Just because you can see it and nod does not mean you could physically reproduce it.

Forget the case.

The board alone is proof for me enough.

Some of you are so worked up on the abilities of Photoshop you have forgotten there needs to be certain known variables to accurately extrapolate a different angle of the object. They were never available from the red board...

...and the detail of the photo is reproducible in PS with only an extreme about of patients and reference numbers.

Ask any 3D artist.
post #178 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by philbot:
<strong>This pic is a fake.

A very poor photochopped fake.

Do not waste you time getting excited.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If this is a photoshopped fake I'll eat my hat.

This is a real photograph of a real chunk of plastic. If someone made a fake piece of plastic (Maybe some bored Product Design students at RIT with access to one-off plastic forma making equipment?) and then took a picture of it. Maybe then it is a fake.

But there is no phtoshopping here.

I keep looking at those vent and want them to be USB-Firewire ports that are angled up to obscure them from sight.

Then they would be elegant looking cable ports, instead of over-emphasized air vents.

Someone has probably made this observation already but I have not read the entire thread so apologies if this is the case.

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post #179 of 689
Perhaps someone has already mentioned this, but are we to assume that this PM we are seeing has no optical drives in it? If it does, I can't really think of an elegant way to flip those huge "brushed aluminum" doors out of the way for the tray...

The current QS doors are quite big enough, thankyouverymuch. I could go for a nice slot-loading drive on my QS. Okay, sure, I'd back down if they sill can't get the SuperDrive to slot-load...
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post #180 of 689
[quote] The slots in the red motherboard ARE DDR. anybody who isn't blind can see this. They are keyed for DDR DIMMs. You cannot physically fit a regular 168-pin SDRAM module of ANY kind into it.

The board in the other photos is basically the same as the red board.<hr></blockquote>

Okay, sorry. I never read much about the red board. As for being blind, some, maybe a lot of us can't just look at a board and visually know what kind of DIMM it takes or even what DDR DIMMs look like. I am able to see, I just don't know what to look for except a flashing neon sign that says "Apple PowerMac G4, now with 333Mhz DDR SDRAM"


[quote] DDR is almost as inexpensive as PC133. There's no point in holding it back. <hr></blockquote>

Amen. But then there are a lot of relatively cheap improvements Apple could have made to any number of models in the past year or two that they didn't. I'll believe the specs when I read the Apple PDF some time in August.
post #181 of 689
THE RED BOARD MAY BE REAL BUT THE PICTURE FLOTING AROUND AND THAT IS POSTED HERE IS A MIRROR IMAGE (FLIPPED) THE PDF IS BASED ON THAT BOARD BEING FLIPPED (INCORRECT) THE PCI SLOTS WILL!! BE ON THE BOTTOM. THUS THE PDF IS A FAKE MOST LIKELY.
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post #182 of 689
When I saw the photos I thought aloud, why the new mobo, why the new layout? Surely theres a reason, its not just a whim, that the PMs parts are rearranged within.

Then I saw the reason that got me to think its cause of the weight, the seven-pound heatsink. Putting it low makes the case more stable, although I dont know how theyd route the cables.

So why do they need such a big chunk of steel? Is it cause our G5 dreams are real? Will the current G4 justify the expense, to change all boards from this day hence?

Maybe, as someone has suggested, the case is a mule, just to be tested. Or they may keep it for one revision, until its replaced by a brand new creation.

But now its time for bed, where Ill let gigahertz visions dance in my head.
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post #183 of 689
I like zaz's guess, that the middle thingy may be the only bit of real stuff, providing that this whole thing wasn't cooked up by a bored industrial design student.

I really envision the next computer being metallic, rectangular with rounded corners, and fast as a scalded-ass ape. This one says YIKES to me too.

and XYPE:
don't go talking about your first computer havng 2Mb of memory and a 20Mb hard drive.....some of use grew up on Atari's and Commodores sporting 64k of on-board memory! We were lucky since the sinclair people had two ants and a beetle in lieu of RAM. Hard drives? In your dreams.

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post #184 of 689
[quote]fast as a scalded-ass ape<hr></blockquote>

Can I steal this line?
post #185 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by bernard:
<strong>THE RED BOARD MAY BE REAL BUT THE PICTURE FLOTING AROUND AND THAT IS POSTED HERE IS A MIRROR IMAGE (FLIPPED) THE PDF IS BASED ON THAT BOARD BEING FLIPPED (INCORRECT) THE PCI SLOTS WILL!! BE ON THE BOTTOM. THUS THE PDF IS A FAKE MOST LIKELY.
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Uh, OK, if we're done shouting, the PCI slots do rather look to be on the top:


Edit: I just notice one thinh that's bugging me, nothing's screwed in, it looks like the motherboard is missing all the screws that attach it to the standoffs, the Cards aren't screwed in either on the back of the case either (though that's not critical), what is holding it in place when the door is closed?

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post #186 of 689
true I see no screws on the logic board. I bet they removed them to look at the underside of the board. They did say that the fan along side the logic board was used to cool the three layers that made up that side of the case. How would you know about that without taking out the logic board.

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post #187 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by Yet Another Registration:
<strong>What more do you need?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Quad 1 THz G5, 16GB DDR 1GHz (effective 2GHz) RAM, 1 GHz FSB (HyperTransport 2), 8 PCI slots, AGP 16X, GeForce 7 Plutonium with 1GB RAM

[Edit: All for only $3999 US!]

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post #188 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by Derrick 61:
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Quad 1 THz G5, 16GB DDR 1GHz (effective 2GHz) RAM, 1 GHz FSB (HyperTransport 2), 8 PCI slots, AGP 16X, GeForce 7 Plutonium with 1GB RAM

[Edit: All for only $3999 US!]

[ 07-21-2002: Message edited by: Derrick 61 ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

My sources say that those aren't coming until MWSF 2003.
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post #189 of 689
I like it.

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post #190 of 689
Okay, I have a couple of questions.

Why is the case fan mounted on the side door? Won't it make more sense if the case fan was placed near the back (and facing the opposite way) so that air flow would go from front to back? Why are the case fan power cables built into the side door?

In the back of the picture you can see two (maybe three) IDE cables. One simply looks unplugged while the other appears to be neatly tie-wrapped together but no where near where it should be.

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post #191 of 689
OK, FWIW, here's my take on these awful, awful pictures.

1.) They're real. (Unfortunately.)

It seems like whenever photos like this get leaked, there are some people who analyze them to DEATH and start to see flaws that aren't there.

These people are simply looking too hard.

Remember when the QuickSilver photos were leaked, and everyone was all "Fake! Fake! Fake!"?

And then they turned out to be right? (Except in the leaked photos, the drive bay doors were clear.)

In the current batch of leaked photos, sure, I too see the pixellated edges on the machine and the blurred portion above the bottom handle, but I think these reflect the source's desire not to reveal any environmental clues that would give him up.

Plus, in the drive bay area, you can see the reflection of another PowerMac. It too appears to be wrapped in plastic. The bottom just behind the handle seems to show this.

Also, the Apple logo in the reflection is blurry like it's behind plastic, too, just like the main unit's Apple logo is.

This is a real Apple PowerMac enclosure, I'm afraid.

The only question is, is it the final production unit? Or is it just a prototype enclosure that won't actually be used?

God I hope it won't, because it looks ugly and awkward.

2. I thought Apple built and circulated prototype machines using beige box enclosures so as not to reveal the industrial design?

But I guess they need to beta test the enclosures (heat management, are the drives conventient to use, etc.)

Any thoughts?

3. I analyzed the current leaked shots of the motherboard and they match the "red eBay motherboard" very closely.

Rotate these images as necessary and they line up part for part.

Everything adds up!

When that red motherboard leaked, everyone was marvelling at the so-called "mystery port" between the FireWire ports and the Ethernet jack.

I tried to break it to everyone that this was probably the modem port because it resembles a mini version of the Ethernet jack.

But everyone ignored my comments choosing instead to believe the dream.

I felt like the guy in the room telling everyone the pro wresting they're watching is fake; they don't disagree with me, it's just taboo to talk about it.

So when I said the mystery port was probably a modem jack, all the other posters were like, "Yeah, whatever. So what's that mystery port?" Choosing to ignore the truth.

One thing I'm fairly certain of, the new PowerMacs will not sport USB 2 yet.

It just isn't in Apple's interest what with FireWire and all.

Apple wants FireWire to be THE high-speed standard and USB to be the standard for peripherals that don't need such speed, like keyboards, mice, printers, etc.

No USB 2.
post #192 of 689
[quote] quote :o riginally posted by Derrick 61:

Quad 1 THz G5, 16GB DDR 1GHz (effective 2GHz) RAM, 1 GHz FSB (HyperTransport 2), 8 PCI slots, AGP 16X, GeForce 7 Plutonium with 1GB RAM

[Edit: All for only $3999 US!]

[ 07-21-2002: Message edited by: Derrick 61 ]

My sources say that those aren't coming until MWSF 2003. <hr></blockquote>

and thus, of course, Apple is doomed. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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OK, I am on record as saying the original images at the top of this thread are real, but a only a mule case. The shipping version will be very Xserve-like.

Still, for those that asked about QS:

Were these fake?









It is like some of you won't ve happy without a batch of professional photos and PDF technical schematic signed by Steve Jobs and digitally encoded.

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post #195 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by Dave K.:
<strong>Okay, I have a couple of questions.

Why is the case fan mounted on the side door? Won't it make more sense if the case fan was placed near the back (and facing the opposite way) so that air flow would go from front to back? Why are the case fan power cables built into the side door?

In the back of the picture you can see two (maybe three) IDE cables. One simply looks unplugged while the other appears to be neatly tie-wrapped together but no where near where it should be.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

The fan next to the logic board is just one of four fans in the box. there is one bhind the hard drives, one on the logic board door, and two up by the power supply.

The cables are all unpluged and all the screws have been removed. They where brobaly taking the unit apart to see how it was built. I would do the same thing with a new box and would not be suprized if there are more photos to be seen.

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post #196 of 689
if those are air vents on the front i would rather have some LED's behind it to throw light about under the desk, any excuse to crack the case open an crash about, besides i already have Firewire and USB hubs on the desk now.

but what i really want is a glowing red lens on the front, just like hal from 2001. you could put it where that useless speaker is on the upper front of the case.
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[quote]Originally posted by zaz:
<strong>It is like some of you won't ve happy without a batch of professional photos and PDF technical schematic signed by Steve Jobs and digitally encoded.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

I seem to have misplaced my copy of those, could you forward a set back over please
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post #198 of 689
so, any photoshop wizards up to the task of virtualy taking off the plastic rap and trying to get it to look like it might with it off?

it might be interesting to see an example of a really good photo job of what it COULD really look like

btw, my opinion is that this is the standarized apple testing case.

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[quote]Originally posted by zaz:
<strong>

Still, for those that asked about QS:
Were these fake?

[ 07-21-2002: Message edited by: zaz ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

no, they weren't, but they also WERE NOT THE FINAL QS, either. they changed the colour scheme to the silver look, opaqued the doors, and you'll notice the handles on those pix have the "ribs" of the graphite sawtooths and yikes models, whereas the final QS had beautiful no-rib handles.

so, suffice it to say that this is a fairly good indicator of at least 80% of the upcoming redesign. but might not be totally 100% legit.

but FINALLY we get a scoop before an announcement!

bet steve will up the price $1000 just to spite us. or, maybe, steve: "I WAS going to sell this model for $1100, but just because Joe had to be a dumbass, we'll be asking $4500... Oh, and Joe? You're fired."



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oh, and by the way...

why in god's name do they insist on a simple single speaker? why can't they toss in a free set of external orb speakers, and just save the space in the tower for something else? am i the only one who feels like this?
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