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post #41 of 689
well, it says next-gen g5 ready, so you'd have to assume DDR
post #42 of 689
I can see why they would move the front drive bays near the middle - as a lot of people place these machines on their desk. But it better be real quiet then.
Not good though when you want to place it on the floor.

"Decorative air intakes" - looks kinda like my old s900. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
Not quite the minimalist design I like from Apple.

I hope Apple will not take these pictures down, I'd rather see something else coming.

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It's going to somewhat suck if the biggest surprise of the summer is ruined now. But I couldn't help but look when I saw the link, I had to click it, I couldn't help.
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Is there an Apple logo on the side, or just some sort of roundel? Could it be a really close 3rd party knock-off to which someone added a PPC (Amiga one?) board slopped in just to jerk our chains a little?

I hope not. I think the case is not too bad, but a little un Apple in the drive treatment and what I assume are 4 front facing ports?

I know I've seen that motherboard before.
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[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Is there an Apple logo on the side, or just some sort of roundel? Could it be a really close 3rd party knock-off to which someone added a PPC (Amiga one?) board slopped in just to jerk our chains a little?

I hope not. I think the case is not too bad, but a little un Apple in the drive treatment and what I assume are 4 front facing ports?

I know I've seen that motherboard before.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I see the Apple on the side. I already pointed out that it's basically the same board as the red board we saw on eBay, which is distinctly Apple. Those 4 holes on the front are vents.
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It looks like the PCI slots are on the top. That is different than the current machines. Also, two external drive bays are a definite improvement but doesn't the current internal arrangement allow for 6 drives (stacked)? I wonder how many people took advantage of that.

The PDF also says up to 4 Megs of RAM. That is better for some of the applications it is buying and the markets it is going after. No mention of the type of RAM or processor speeds. I guess we will have to wait until mid August to get the rest of the details. Unless this person spills some more
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Especially funny in the PDF is that it doesn't mention a processor, but it does give us some "clues":

- Turbine cooling
- Heat Sink (VERY LARGE 7lbs)
- the air intakes

This clearly has been made by someone (a) either in the know, but not courageous enough to post specs (b) someone just doing their best to convince us of the authenticity of their claims.

I go for option (b).
Hell, if I had had some more time I could have made the PDF myself. Looks like someone just had a longer peak at the photos before they were posted.
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No, I've seen that color board, with whatever that chip is, mounted diagonally like that... I've seen that sucker before, I'm sure of it.

Either I got a look at an Apple MoBo without knowing it, I had a premonition, or that thing is fake.

Someone do a quick scour of the PPC AIX/Linux/Amiga projects floating around the web. I'm absolutely certain I've seen that motherboard before.
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post #49 of 689
who cares what the case looks like

its the guts that really matter
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Wait, stupid me. Georgia, that might just be the real thing. The middle shot is not the motherboard, is it? It's the daughtercard. I've seen a motherboard with the PPC in that arrangement (and that board color) hmmm... the inner skeptic questions but the inner maclot wants to believe.
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[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>No, I've seen that color board, with whatever that chip is, mounted diagonally like that... I've seen that sucker before, I'm sure of it.

Either I got a look at an Apple MoBo without knowing it, I had a premonition, or that thing is fake.

Someone do a quick scour of the PPC AIX/Linux/Amiga projects floating around the web. I'm absolutely certain I've seen that motherboard before.</strong><hr></blockquote>

The CPU is not on the mainboard, it's on a riser. This is the third time I've said this.

You probably saw the pics of the eMac motherboard which has the CPU soldered directly onto the mainboard diagonally.



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post #52 of 689
First saw the design.

I say: 'Ugly son bitch'.

But now. Dunno. Could get used to it. It's different.

Cooling vents? I wonder why...

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post #53 of 689
No again, I saw an ATX style Mobo in that arrangement and color. It had AGP and PCI slots down the sides, and RAM down another such that it boxed the CPU in when everything was installed.

So, actually it can't be this motherboard shown here.

I'm starting to believe...

The QS looks better, but I'll take two full size front drive bays. Also, unless those things at the bottom are front facing ports, get rid of them.
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post #54 of 689
Front facing ports. I hope not.

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post #55 of 689
BTW, I don't see the programmer/reset buttons.
Unless they're on the back and the PDF is incomplete. Which it probably is.

So either the PDF is incomplete, or Apple must have great trust we don't need those buttons anymore: any kernel panic can be solved by pushing the power button alone.
This is exactly what is suggested from the screenshots from Jaguar which show a new screen after a kernel panic.
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[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>antaisce1, DDR SDRAM is also SDRAM.

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What type of memory & bus is probable since the .pdf says "next generation G5 ready".
Does this also make the forthcoming towers the in-between "Yikes" transition model?
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post #57 of 689
Check this thread at macrumors.com:

<a href="http://www.macrumors.com/forums/showthread.php3?threadid=8083" target="_blank">MacRumors Thread</a>

An user (APPLEP58) pretends to know something about this design and even claims he made the PDF:

[quote] DAMN the internet moves fast! I just made that PDF in CorelDRAW last night! and e-mailed it to macrumors.com webmaster but after getting no reply I posted it on the boards earlier; THAT WAS FRIGGIN FAST!

but perhaps I've said too much.

By the way it's not white it's the same silver color G4s are now, teh image is distorted (stretched, but you knew that) the sides, top, and handles are indistinguishable from P57 (QuickSilver); just A COMPLETE change of the internal design, and front and back panel are different.

...

BTW the french site has very old pics of what's called a DVT or EVT model, many components aren't seen, like the massive heatsink; and teh MPU die is not at a 45 degree like that in the final product; the boards are blue like th XServe's...

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post #58 of 689
If those are front facing ports, they at least serve some purpose to some people. It does make pluging in a camera or a portable firewire drive much easier. They're quite ugly to me, and if they're not doing anything useful, they should get rid of them.
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My only problem with the PDF is it isn't quite the quality I would expect. That said it doesn't mean it isn't real.

If this is their design it says two things though:

1. They should be trying harder. They could have done better.

2. The G5 is close enough that they are starting to plan for it.

Edit: Actually it says several more things but I'm just mentioning these for now

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post #60 of 689
They are vents.

I'm inclined to believe Apple58. He mentions those photos are very old. It's possible the brown board is older than the red board. He indentifies the color of the tower...it's not clear in the photo. He talks about stuff we can't see.

I love the Xserve's deep blue colored motherboard.
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post #61 of 689
The slots on the red board are indeed DDR SDRAM slots. regular PC-133 slots are keyed with two notches.

Here is a board that has both.



here is a board with onboard FireWire, USB 2, Serial ATA and DDR-400. Note this board has an AGP Pro slot, distinguished by the extra pins. Regular AGP 4x and AGP 8x look the same.



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After all the effort Apple went to in order to hide ports on the iMac and conveniently put them out of the way and to the side on the iBook, I'd be surprised if Apple had them sticking out the front on a Tower all ugly and cables everywhere.

Hmm. Shame it aint white. Still. No matter. I quite like the current Quicksilver design. Just STICK a 'G5' in it!!!

Next gen' 'ready' eh?

Der-rool, der-rool.

Specs, anyone?

Macuser seem to think that G5s would be ready by the years end...around September.

Could...could the 'massive' heatsink be an indicator of this?

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Why...why would they need 'air vents' on a 'power'Mac?

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[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>I'm inclined to believe Apple58. </strong><hr></blockquote>
I'm inclined to believe he's the real deal too. Lets just hope he has a job come tomorrow
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[quote]Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon:
<strong>Why...why would they need 'air vents' on a 'power'Mac?

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[quote]Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon:
<strong>Why...why would they need 'air vents' on a 'power'Mac?</strong><hr></blockquote>So it goes faster...oh wait no that is painting it red. Nevermind
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[quote]Originally posted by Lemon Bon Bon:
<strong>Why...why would they need 'air vents' on a 'power'Mac?

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Two possibilities why they neet airvents and that monstrous heatsink.

1. They have new processor that puts out lots of heat. (not likely)
2. They want to make the new towers more silent.
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[quote]Originally posted by Telomar:
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I'm inclined to believe he's the real deal too. Lets just hope he has a job come tomorrow </strong><hr></blockquote>

I hope so too! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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[quote]Originally posted by Decurion:
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1. They have new processor that puts out lots of heat.</strong><hr></blockquote>


must be the Power4 or 5

Nahh, kidding aside, if they had one of the new G4s with 0.13µ fab process shouldn't that alone make it run a lot cooler?
So really, why does it need to have such a huge heatsink and fan?


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[quote]Originally posted by GnOm:
<strong>Nahh, kidding aside, if they had one of the new G4s with 0.13µ fab process shouldn't that alone make it run a lot cooler?
So really, why does it need to have such a huge heatsink and fan?</strong><hr></blockquote>It's possible that the G4 has been significantly redesigned and now produces a lot more heat.

More likely the explanation lies in the G5 ready part. Everything I have heard and know of the G5 says it is a hot chip by PPC standards.
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Heat issues? 4 CPUs? Just kidding.
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[quote]Originally posted by iBrowse:
<strong>Why a French site? I'm not sure, such a sketchy event is so convincing.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Why not a french site ?
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the pdf suggests that drive 1,2 would have to be stacked vertically. Now I have never seen a computer that required you to stack the hds vertically. That's DEFINITELY not going to help the longevity and reliability of the drive mechanism.

Also that case is downright butt-ugly.

I'll conclude when everything is official, but until then, SDRAM and that case are shunning me off about as much as the 99$ fee on .mac.

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[quote]Originally posted by G-News:
<strong>the pdf suggests that drive 1,2 would have to be stacked vertically. Now I have never seen a computer that required you to stack the hds vertically. That's DEFINITELY not going to help the longevity and reliability of the drive mechanism.

Also that case is downright butt-ugly.

I'll conclude when everything is official, but until then, SDRAM and that case are shunning me off about as much as the 99$ fee on .mac.

G-News</strong><hr></blockquote>

1) HDDs are stacked vertically all the time in racked server environments. Xserve RAID will have HDDs stacked vertically.

2) Those slots are not PC133. You can see that those slots are keyed like DDR SDRAM slots and not like older SDRAM slots.

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[quote]Originally posted by G-News:
<strong>the pdf suggests that drive 1,2 would have to be stacked vertically. Now I have never seen a computer that required you to stack the hds vertically. That's DEFINITELY not going to help the longevity and reliability of the drive mechanism.

Also that case is downright butt-ugly.

I'll conclude when everything is official, but until then, SDRAM and that case are shunning me off about as much as the 99$ fee on .mac.

G-News</strong><hr></blockquote>

We'll Apple engineer have deemed it fit to stack them vertically, I won't argue.

As for the SDRAM, the PDF is wrong. This machine has DDR RAM. Whoever did the PDF didn't recognize DDR RAM. I have a picture of the eBay logic board with DDR RAM on it and its identical to the one in this machine.

We are getting DDR RAM, mark my words.
post #76 of 689
How difficult is it for Apple to make test boards to run say a Power4 or other processors they want to test?

They must do this sort of thing, if so how professional do these test boards look, or are they more of a Heath Robinson affair.
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you would have thought Apple might have pulled it by now........... <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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[quote]Originally posted by DevNull:
<strong>As for the SDRAM, the PDF is wrong.</strong><hr></blockquote>


not wrong but lacking.
It is Synchronous and Dynamic (SD) RAM anyway, no matter if it is Single Data Rate or Double Data Rate.


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I for my part find the aluminium bay doors butt ugly. either all white or all aluminium, but this photo looks more like a hack than a product of industrial designers.
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Correct, DDR is also considered SDRAM.
I like how the PDF says "Next Generation G5 Ready"
The case design/info I believe is genuine. The "red eBay mobo" is practically the same as the mobo in the pictures/PDF.
I believe all of this is very close to what we will see within the next month.

Personally, I don't really care what the outside looks like, as long as I get 2 external 5.25" CD drive bays.

The 4 ports on the bottom of the case are air inlets (not USB/Firewire ports) though I'm not sure if they're functional.

I'm jazzed about this.

EDIT: One thing that does worry me - Where's the Reset Switch? Unless Apple turned the Power Button into a PC style button, where if you hold the Power button on PCs for about 4 seconds, the unit reboots.

The missing Programmer's button also seems to indicate that it may not be needed anymore.

[quote]Originally posted by GnOm:
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not wrong but lacking.
It is Synchronous and Dynamic (SD) RAM anyway, no matter if it is Single Data Rate or Double Data Rate.


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