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post #401 of 689
Looks like you are spot on Eugene. Checking out the current AGP Mac cards the Nvidia Geforce 4MX fits the bill ( not conclusive without a view of the back of one of these).

But from the way Nvidia Geforce 4MX fits to metal bracket ( i.e. card over top of bracket) and side screw) and other component layout it looks pretty certain. I did a quick comparison of the similar details here:

[off site image] <a href="http://www.planetluna.org/graphics/NewG4-Geforce4MX.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.planetluna.org/graphics/NewG4-Geforce4MX.jpg</a>

Shame. I was looking forward to spying the new 9700 in there . Guess it points to it as the stock OEM card for the new G4 along with the recent iMac and current Powermac.

Bob TT:

I don't think Apple's posturing on the 'no press pass' would stop the bigger boys from posting such a strong a rumour'. It has not in the past. And Think Secret would have nothing to lose since they blew open the correct contents of the SJ presentation well before MWNY for instance.

I just have a feeling that they are aware of details of the new model and are quiet because of NDA etc or other similar reason. Not sure how this relates to Think Secret however. Perhaps MOSR will put it's money where it's mouth is and post further specs this week.

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[quote]Originally posted by apple.otaku:
<strong>Paging Dorsal Moki... Get your butt in here and tell us what you think of these developments!</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry, I've no idea. I haven't seen any of the new machines -- if I had, I'd be under NDA. I just know people who are using prototypes of machines in various stages of development.
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[quote]Originally posted by Mindtrics:
<strong>umm the pictures have disappeared. Can someone link them...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Here it is agian for those who missed it, your very own REBEL who STILL has not got a peep from "Apple Legal"

<a href="http://www.WebForever.com/AI/" target="_blank">Click to see photos</a>

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[quote]Originally posted by Moonraker:
<strong>I was surprised that despite updating the Think Secret web site this morning ( 23/07) Nick de Plume makes NO mention whatsoever about this :confused: . The latest article simply discusses some detail of Office X. Not even a comment in their forum.</strong><hr></blockquote>

They want to keep their passes for MWSF <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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post #405 of 689
Re: multiple processors and big heat sink.

As much as the notion of a quadG4 sounds like the DB, the current Kernel of Darwin only supports 2 processors.

On the other hand, the new PowerMacs are rumored to be released with 10.2 which maybe has a revised kernel. Hmmm. I think we would have heard about that by now. Enough people have played with Jaguar preview to have noticed and it is unlikely to be the kind of revision that is added at the last second before the product is shipped.

(Er, off the top of my head, I think hostinfo at command line will give you information like Kernel version (current release is 5.5) and number of processors supported.)

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[quote]Originally posted by Smircle:
<strong>Originally posted by Cipher13:


Maybe you could do us a favor and just shut the f u c k up or else give us reasons to believe its a photoshopped img. Is 13 your age or why are you constantly claiming "fake fake" without giving us telltale traces of image manipulation (misalignments, wrong shadows...)?

BTW I am quite sure the faceplate points to a new case design other than el Capitan. Looks like we'll see a more square design with a curvature similar to the TiBooks/iBooks.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Tell me, smircle, are you really as stupid as you appear?

I hope for your sake it's an act... but I have little hope of that. It seems that the most likely scenario is that you're either eleven years old, or your mind is equivalent regardless.

Whoa, that was a big word... three syllables... you okay with that one, or do you want me to tone it down a little?

I mean, I don't wanna throw the heavy insults at you... it's evident you're just a beginner... "is that your shoe size, or your IQ? HAHAHAHAHA". Yeah, funny.

If you were capable of reading and comprehending, you'd see that my first post in this thread were the exact reasons which you asked for. See?

Oh, what, you missed that post? You joined the thread late? Well, could somebody call a doctor to help Smircle remove his foot from his mouth? And maybe the pole from his ass, at the same time...

Eugene - I refer you to the same post of mine, more respectfully. I believe there is evidence that it's photoshopped... outweighing any reasonable doubt. If I'm wrong, I'll happily admit it... I just don't believe I am in this instance. Quite strongly.
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post #407 of 689
I strongly urge both of you to stop this flame war immediately.

Please keep the discussion on the topic at hand. Thanks.
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[quote]Originally posted by Cipher13:
Eugene - I refer you to the same post of mine, more respectfully. I believe there is evidence that it's photoshopped... outweighing any reasonable doubt. If I'm wrong, I'll happily admit it... I just don't believe I am in this instance. Quite strongly.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>

Yes we know that already , as stated earlier in this thread. The photo IS photoshopped, but probably only so to delete the background around the machine.
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post #409 of 689
The photos are not photoshopped.

The pdf seems dodgy. If it was produced by apple, it would feel like apple. Apple font, logo, graphics.

The pdf seem to have been drawn from the photos - and a little off at that. The speaker in the pdf is higher than that in the photo. The vents/ports at the bottom are lower on the pdf than the pic. For something having very little tech detail - to have the weight of the fan is not consistent with the vague nature of the page.

I say disregard the pdf and the 7lb heatsink, etc.

I read the number on the board as: 820-1309-02 if that helps anyone.

The photographed machine is apple - but a prototype of the latest g4, or a revision we are yet to see? Who knows...
post #410 of 689
Someone at MacNN made an Apple pic of it with photoshop , look s good.

<a href="http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=12;t=005790;p=2" target="_blank">http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=12;t=005790;p=2</a>


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<a href="http://members.maclaunch.com/ajprice/newg4.jpg" target="_blank">http://members.maclaunch.com/ajprice/newg4.jpg</a>

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post #411 of 689
If the specs are good, then I'm buying that.

If the specs are okay I'm buying that.

Can't wait to see pricing.

$1499 for the 1 Ghz??

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post #412 of 689
Anyone see anything that could resemble a mini-dsp on the mobo?


BTW, I'm beginning to think that this was a sanctioned Apple leak, intentionally made to look as if its not one. Comes right after a weak MWNY, everyone is pissy, etc. The guy had his hands on this machine obviously, yet all we get are tantalizing generic and only semi-useful info from him. It seems too coincidental. Oooh, look, there's a big heatsink! Whatever could it be? The only thing it shows is DDR, which is a given since its on the Xserve. Of course, it doesnt tell us if its faux DDR (bandwidth to the CPU remains the same) or not.
post #413 of 689
Quote:
Originally posted by olli:
<strong>Someone at MacNN made an Apple pic of it with photoshop , look s good.

<a href="http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=12;t=005790;p=2" target="_blank">http://forums.macnn.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=12;t=005790;p=2</a>


[off-site image] <a href="http://members.maclaunch.com/ajprice/newg4.jpg</strong><hr></blockquote>" target="_blank">http://members.maclaunch.com/ajprice/newg4.jpg[/qb]

</a>

...Wow! so it's not butt-ugly after all.

Whew!

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We still don't really know how fast the bugger's gonna be yet do we?

damn

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post #414 of 689
That speaker is annoying me. It's like a 3rd eye or something. Maybe its not a speaker at all. Maybe thats where the RDF emanates from. Never thought of that, did you?
post #415 of 689
Dear Friends

Do you really think Apple will release a pro box that&rsquo;s as inelegant as what&rsquo;s depicted above?

The last Power Mac that Apple released that looked so unfinished was the original Power Macintosh G3.

Depicted above is another rehashed version of El Capitan, which, though long in the tooth, is still the best pro desktop case ever designed. (I&rsquo;m saying &ldquo;best&rdquo; to mean the best combination of functionality and aesthetics.)

Sincerely,
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post #416 of 689
Let me say a few words about the holes in the front.

I think they are USB/firewire ports. It's already been mentioned that to plug a digital camera or something like that into the back of a computer is a pain, and it's not 'user friendly'. I think apple will be putting at least one of each in the near future. It would make sense.

Now it's not in the apple style to put a little plastic hatch like i've seen in pc's. Nor would it be apple's style to have ugly bare plugs at the front. The sockets are hidden by the tilt of the hole.

I don't really like the way it's done on these photos, but i couldn't think of a way to do it any better and prettier...

And can someone ring the number on the cease and desist and check if it's genuine for this case?

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post #417 of 689
Well, the new iMac has the ports on the back and its a machine that is suppose to be "user friendly".

Form over function I guess.
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[quote]Originally posted by Jaddie:
<strong>Dear Friends

Do you really think Apple will release a pro box that&rsquo;s as inelegant as what&rsquo;s depicted above?

The last Power Mac that Apple released that looked so unfinished was the original Power Macintosh G3.

Depicted above is another rehashed version of El Capitan, which, though long in the tooth, is still the best pro desktop case ever designed. (I&rsquo;m saying &ldquo;best&rdquo; to mean the best combination of functionality and aesthetics.)

Sincerely,
Jaddie</strong><hr></blockquote>

We all said the same thing when the QS's were leaked. They looked aweful then too.


[quote] Let me say a few words about the holes in the front.

I think they are USB/firewire ports. It's already been mentioned that to plug a digital camera or something like that into the back of a computer is a pain, and it's not 'user friendly'. I think apple will be putting at least one of each in the near future. It would make sense.

Now it's not in the apple style to put a little plastic hatch like i've seen in pc's. Nor would it be apple's style to have ugly bare plugs at the front. The sockets are hidden by the tilt of the hole.

I don't really like the way it's done on these photos, but i couldn't think of a way to do it any better and prettier...

And can someone ring the number on the cease and desist and check if it's genuine for this case? <hr></blockquote>

The french site that broke the stories with the pics has since rmoved the pics and in place is the cease and desist letter from Apple legal.

Also, 4 ports on the front, assuming 2 USB and 2 FW would not look clean in the ducts as the plugs are different sizes. Not sure why they'd be just air vents but someone has said because possibly the processor is huge.
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post #419 of 689
It's a lot harder with a tower. you have to to crawl under your desk, walk around to the other side, or pull it closer and turn it. Pain in the arse.

The imac is always going to be within reach. i do see your point though, and think they should have one of each port on the front of the imac. But this bring us back to the problem that no other computer maker seems to have worked out - how to make it look good.

This is better than anything i've seen before.
post #420 of 689
Those holes are not vents or ports!

They are on the back as well, and will be used for the new (TEHP) "Turbine Enforced, Hover-Propulsion" technology that will allow the G4 to hover above your desk.

Its very cool!
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post #421 of 689
Apple should just release a keyboard with USB & Firewire. Plug it into two ports in back and have one cable coming out to the front. The ports could be positioned below the USB ports and since the FW electronics wouldn't actually be integrated with the USB Keyboard, they could even draw power.
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post #422 of 689
Where the hell is Dorsal M anyway?
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post #423 of 689
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> Now THAT, get's a cool point for style.

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post #424 of 689
I was under the impression the current ADC displays all already have USB ports...
Why add more? to give users the port in the front, even if they don't buy an Apple screen? That'd be something new for a change: think of the users.

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[quote]Originally posted by apple.otaku:
<strong>Where the hell is Dorsal M anyway?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Either laughing his ass of or keeping his mouth closed because this thinkg is real
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[quote]Originally posted by Blizaine:
<strong>Those holes are not vents or ports!

They are on the back as well, and will be used for the new (TEHP) "Turbine Enforced, Hover-Propulsion" technology that will allow the G4 to hover above your desk.

Its very cool!</strong><hr></blockquote>

pic below:

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post #427 of 689
The case design is pretty decent but i only care about the inards

this sucka better have a low end of at least 1ghz cause i'm buying a powermac next month and it better have DDR ram and a friggin screaming FSB
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[quote]Originally posted by O and A:
<strong>this sucka better havea friggin screaming FSB</strong><hr></blockquote>

Actually I hope the Frontside bus is silent.
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post #429 of 689
Let's assume that the case is designed for a very HOT processor and consequently needs lots of cooling. How much does one of those refrigerant cooling devices weigh? I've seen them in PC's and they involve a bit of plumbing, I am not sure that they would weigh 7lbs but they would be heavy.

Rembering the last few Dorsal posts he has predicted good news in August and much better news early next year. Perhapps we are going to see two new machines, an uprated PowerMac range based on the current enclosure 1.2-1.4 with DDR etc. Then early next year a new G5/Power* machine in the new enclosure which requires industrial strenght cooling and will in all probability be very noisey.

This would probably fit in with all the moves to establish Apple firmly at the front end for video and 3D. The new January/March 03 UltimateMac would cost a lot more if an IBM Power* processor was used, but that wouldn't matter beacuse it would be aimed at a market that is used to paying thousands more for SGI based machines.
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post #430 of 689
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[quote]Originally posted by BobtheTomato:
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Actually I hope the Frontside bus is silent.</strong><hr></blockquote>

BWAHAHAHA. k

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post #432 of 689
Just to speak up as another Photoshop retoucher (not now but for most of the 90s)...

I think it's real. The jaggies are pretty consistent.. it's just a heavily compressed jpeg.

But the bottom has most definitely been airbrushed in photoshop. It has a finer pixel pattern than the rest of the image. Would have been very easy to do right... maybe it's a really fantastic hoaxer trying to psych us out (cue Dr. Evil pinky to mouth)? nah. Maybe there was something identifying down there.

besides, the motherboards are obviously real. Occam's razor would say, take the whole thing. In fact, I'll take two, please.
post #433 of 689
Everyone talks about a photoshop hoax...isn't it possible that this could in fact be a hoax but not involving photoshop?

Think of it some crafty guy decides to build the front of a fake tower and places it on his own tower or something like that.. is that possible? then u wouldn't notice photoshopping
because he didn't fake it that way. Then again the mobo seems legit.
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post #434 of 689
Personally, I think the jaggies and inconsistencies, not to mention the distortion, leads to the conclusion that the pics are actually DV captures (done poorly).

Somewhere out there, is the original video.....when the video goes online, AI'ers will go apeshjt.

Just my theory.

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post #435 of 689
Those are NOT ports on the front for three good reasons.

1. You already have 2 firewire ports (to rear of case and 4 USB ports (2 to rear of case and 2 on keyboard). Why add 2 more of each??

2. The pictures despite being not great quaility show that the 'holes' are not flush as such but set at an angle up with the aluminium part at the top.

[off-site image] <a href="http://www.planetluna.org/graphics/g4_vents.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.planetluna.org/graphics/g4_vents.jpg</a>

There is no other Apple port like that and no reason to have downward facing ports.

3. No Macs have front mounted ports because it ruins the clean lines of the design ( important to Apple and explained in the design of the LCD iMac). 'Most' people will have a Powermac under the desk and leads out of the front would just get in the way with leads running out of the rear up the back of the desk neater. Sure it would be useful for some people but they can always add external hub. This is Apple.

The gloss aluminium finish of the vents would marry well the front panel and apple logo on sides.

It seems that as has been said, air cirulation and effecient cooling are main features on the new G4 photos and details. I would not be at all surpirsed for Apple to be shooting for much quieter machines especially after the noise issues on the QS.

Speakers

It is pretty obvious where the speakers will be coming from too:



Look no further than the eMac. Improved output with 16 watts and the protection of the speaker grills provided with them if needed.

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post #436 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by Blizaine:
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The hovering pic,...<hr></blockquote>

That was worth the price of admission!
post #437 of 689
My votes:

1) pic is real
2) holes = ports

After seeing that great mock up I think this is definately an Apple design. And why not have four Firewire ports on the front? Apple is pushing digital video and digital audio so hard now. And may still come out with another digital device before the year is out. Besides, it's literally an 'in your face' to USB2.

Besides there are already four USB ports up front (Jobs' Math...two on keyboard + two on ASD).

Of course, my opinion + $13.75 will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

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[quote]Originally posted by Gregory Paul:
<strong>Gah. For all you people questioning the heat sink, can you all say with me "Apple had a computer called the Cube."?

Come on people. Don't tell people to tell each other to pull their heads out of your asses...sit down, have a nice cup of java and THINK. Jeez. I know you are all excited considering the state of rumors the past couple of months....

OK, back to the heat sink. The cube was a beast---much heavier than you'd expect for it's size. AND the power supply was separate. What do you think made that thing like 20 lbs? THE HEAT SINK. (It was a at least a quarter of the volume too.) And this new powermac has a variable speed fan. EXCELLENT I say. Now most of the time this thing will be really quiet...who gives a crap if it weighs 5 pounds more than normal?

ciao-- GP</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> Hate to admit that, but you are right. Of course, I personally just pretend the power supply doesn't exist and hide it deep under the desk where it fries the mice. I always thought the Cube was heavy so that the desktop wouldn't blow away when I fired up my Cinema Display. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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Actually, the holes for ventilation make sense, given the layout of the internal drives and fans.

The fan on the bottom behind the front drives has to pull air from *somewhere*, and the ports make it a straight shot over the drives for maximum cooling, then over the heatsink, and out the back.

If, in fact, this thing is designed for the next generation of CPU, and if, in fact, Apple is really considering the POWER line from IBM, they're going to need all the ventilation they can get - those suckers run much hotter than the G4. Think about the possible future requirements of much hotter chips.
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[quote]Originally posted by Moonraker:
<strong>1. You already have 2 firewire ports (to rear of case and 4 USB ports (2 to rear of case and 2 on keyboard). Why add 2 more of each??</strong><hr></blockquote>

How do you know that there are two firewire at the rear of the case? I wouldn't trust the PDF if that's what you're going by.
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