New PowerMac pictures leaked - Page 12

[quote]Originally posted by macaddled:
<strong>Just to speak up as another Photoshop retoucher (not now but for most of the 90s)...

I think it's real. The jaggies are pretty consistent.. it's just a heavily compressed jpeg.

But the bottom has most definitely been airbrushed in photoshop. It has a finer pixel pattern than the rest of the image. Would have been very easy to do right... maybe it's a really fantastic hoaxer trying to psych us out (cue Dr. Evil pinky to mouth)? nah. Maybe there was something identifying down there.

besides, the motherboards are obviously real. Occam's razor would say, take the whole thing. In fact, I'll take two, please.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> SAY THE MAGIC WORD AND WIN A PRIZE! Haven't seen Occam's razor invoked for many moons. This Board is getting WAY Too Intelligent.

[quote]Originally posted by Moonraker:
<strong>Those are NOT ports on the front for three good reasons.

1. You already have 2 firewire ports (to rear of case and 4 USB ports (2 to rear of case and 2 on keyboard). Why add 2 more of each??</strong><hr></blockquote>

How about for convenient front access? Other than cost (which is certainly something to consider), the number of ports isn't the issue, it's how easy the ports are to get at for temporary connections.

[quote]<strong>2. The pictures despite being not great quaility show that the 'holes' are not flush as such but set at an angle up with the aluminium part at the top.

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There is no other Apple port like that and no reason to have downward facing ports.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I can think of two reasons:

1) So that plugs and cords drape downward nicely.
2) So that, for aesthetic reasons, the ports are partially hidden and more regular in outward appearance, despite differing connector types. If these were indeed ports rather than vent holes, they could be an elegant alternative to bare ports or a fold-down flap covering ports.

[quote]<strong>3. No Macs have front mounted ports because it ruins the clean lines of the design ( important to Apple and explained in the design of the LCD iMac). 'Most' people will have a Powermac under the desk and leads out of the front would just get in the way with leads running out of the rear up the back of the desk neater. Sure it would be useful for some people but they can always add external hub. This is Apple.</strong><hr></blockquote>

If Apple wants us to think of the Mac itself as the digital hub, it makes more sense if you can simply sit down in front of your Mac with your iPod or your digital camera, and plug it right in.

To tell you the truth, I'm actually inclined to believe those four holes are just vent holes too. I'm just saying the idea of of them being ports is not so unreasonable.

If any of you "experts" actually looked at the photos you would see there is nothing behind the area where the vents are i.e. no boards, no cables no nothing. There is no connector on the mobo for a front panel board or individual cable connections is there?

If thats a photoshop job these guys should work for ILM to increase the bust size of Natalie Portman for the next Star Wars movie.

According to the PDF diagram there are two HDs right behind those vents AND the CPU heatsink is directly behind the HDs.

The vents would allow a lot of air to come in, move over the HDs and exit over the heatsink. The power supply is much smaller this time around (look at the Xserve's). And according to the diagram it has a bunch of fans on itself.

Then there's the fan on the door panel for the PCI slots.

The whole design is about moving AIR. The entire back panel is one big vent.

Apple doesn't put any ports on the front of ANYTHING - the iMac and eMac the most obvious choice for front plugs have them around on the side or back. G4s are usually put under a desk so why would I want cables hanging out in front so I can crush them with my chair or trip on them?

On top of a desk they are again in THE WAY. It looks MESSY and that is not what Apple wants (the Cube was a big mess of cables and bricks, ugh, they killed it for all kinds of reasons - it just didn't *work* as a concept).

Lastly I bet Dual 1.2, 1.3 or 1.4 G4s will put out a fair amount of heat. How this compares to Pentiums or AMDs is a moot point - Apple doesn't use Pentiums so who CARES how they are cooled or wrapped in silly black cases with holograms on the front and dual fans on the back (never shown since that would make it look rather bulky and heat producing).

Apple = original designs for cases, motherboards, ASICs, PLCs, and custom engineering on the CPU.

DELL/Gateway = assembled cookie-cutter boxes with Intel motherboards and components to be as cheap as possible.

[quote]Originally posted by Cubit:
<strong>

<img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" /> SAY THE MAGIC WORD AND WIN A PRIZE! Haven't seen Occam's razor invoked for many moons. This Board is getting WAY Too Intelligent.</strong><hr></blockquote>

A healthy application of Occam's Razor on this board would mean you'd see about 5 posts a month, so it's probably just as well.

[quote]
If thats a photoshop job these guys should work for ILM to increase the bust size of Natalie Portman for the next Star Wars movie.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>

I thought they already did that for episode 2...



Everyone talks about a photoshop hoax...isn't it possible that this could in fact be a hoax but not involving photoshop?

Think of it some crafty guy decides to build the front of a fake tower and places it on his own tower or something like that.. is that possible? then u wouldn't notice photoshopping
because he didn't fake it that way. Then again the mobo seems legit.

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Im voting for it being real too. As for the holes, if they are really ports, then where is the air intake?

As computers get faster, they produce more heat, which means a need for better cooling. Any good and silent case has air intakes on the front and dual fans on the power supply. (This goes double for PCs, Athlons have been known to melt!)

If Apple is going for silent operation with passive CPU cooling, they are going to have to push a helluva lot of air through the system meaning air intakes a big fans (big fan=less rpm=less noise)

Even if the G4's might not need a lot of cooling, a new enclosure needs headroom for future processors, which will be faster and warmer. So if the holes are ports, you would need air intakes somewhere else.

Therefore, logic dictates that they air intakes not ports.

Um... while all of you were wondering what was in those little vents, and whether it would be safe to stick your fingers and/or cables in them, I was thinking about what could possibly be behind those two doors.
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hahahaha

oh, that's great.


As a mock up, it's also excellent.

I think the vents would be a good place for tentacles to come out and drag you towards the mouth...

The 5 1/4 bay area before they open is very good. Perhaps you could expand that design to the rest of the enclosure.

Vents are for the mind controlling rays of steve jobs!

bleh

enough of the case MORE SPEC talk

No one has brought this up yet.

If both those things on the front of the computer are drive bays, then when the one on top is opened, the flap will be resting on top of the tray that you want to put your CD into...

This means that either you have to pick it up by hand to fit your CD in, the tray comes out really far, there is some other mechanizm to raise the door, or apple has already scrapped this design.

You don't think it would hinge from the bottom?

[quote]Originally posted by macaddled:
<strong>You don't think it would hinge from the bottom?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Looks to me like the hinge is on top

umm look at the current powermacs

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Also keep in mind that if the flap just freely flops open, the end of the cd tray would get stuck on it. If it is hinged from above there must be some mechanism to keep it all the way open when the tray is extended.

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umm look at the current powermacs <hr></blockquote>

I've got one. When I look at the leaked design it looks to me like the sides with the rounded edges are the hinges, I guess they aren't .
I'll shut up now.

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could some one clear tihs up please? i don't get what u people are talking about how is ithe cd tray and door any different from the current powermac .

These people seem to think that the top drive's door hinges from the top and not the bottom. I seem to think they are wrong.

My hope is that this case came with no optical drives (as it is a test model) and that the drives, once installed, will be slot-loading. Screw the flaps, especially if they're as big as the b&w G3 drive flap.

olli, that someone at macnn is me

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I posted it in the spymac gallery too, but it has disappeared now. Hmmm <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> .

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Wish there would be a speaker grill (cover) to protect the speaker.

The tower will look a lot better with that

Maybe if Apple had some inovative way of positioning the speakers.... Positionging them oddly...

Anywho

Can someone post a summary of this post , what has been discussed and what are the opnions and options for people who do not want to read all of this..... <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

[quote]Originally posted by lucid_one:
<strong>The photos are not photoshopped.

The pdf seems dodgy. If it was produced by apple, it would feel like apple. Apple font, logo, graphics.

The pdf seem to have been drawn from the photos - and a little off at that. The speaker in the pdf is higher than that in the photo. The vents/ports at the bottom are lower on the pdf than the pic. For something having very little tech detail - to have the weight of the fan is not consistent with the vague nature of the page.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Again: The pdf was made by AppleP58 who submitted the photos.

Well, the new PowerMacs look okay to me. I really can't think of a more accessible case than what they have now with the flip out side on the QS. I really wish I knew the specs.

I think the firewire/usb connections in front are prettly slick. You know apple has been reluctant to put connectors in the front because they look tacky. They seem to have solved that problem. Plus angling the cables downwards makes since anyway. The cables will take less Desktop space because they won't arch away from the box like they would if they came straight out. They quickly angle to the desk. Nice touch in my opinion. It's the ttention to detail that Apple is known for.

Now if the specs are decent enough, they could have some winners.

I don't really understand the push to have totally redesigned cases. The flip-out design is fantastic.

Yo! I'm not saying they are ports for sure. But the arguments against them being ports are kind of lame.

Arguments I've heard against them being ports:

1) Apple doesn't put ports in the front of anything --- ever!

rebut: While the statement is true to date. I believe the main reason Apple hasn't put ports in front is because of the 'ugly' factor. However, with this model you can't see if they are ports or not because they've managed to conceal them, hence removed the 'ugly' factor. You remove the 'ugly' factor, you remove the main reason Apple has refused to put them on front. Hence, they could be ports. (the hinged door is not a elegant solution for 'easy' access ports).

2) The holes face downward.

Rebut: Well, IF they are ports, this accomplishes two things. 1) hides the ugly asymetric ports (USB/firewire = asymetric). 2) Allows for the cables to angle down towards the desktop nicely, instead of arcing away from the machine. Which will not only look better, but also take up less space and decrease the chances of knocking cables with your elbows or knees.

3) There are already ports on the back.

rebut: Well, why not have them on the back and front. These are Power machines, not consumer models. And we are not sure about the connectors on the back.

4) The machine requires ventilation.

rebut: Is that were the current machines are vented? If not, then why couldn't these be vented from the bottom or back?

5) There is no motherboard connection where the ports would be on front.

rebut: Well, if this is true... then they aren't ports!! Oh well.

[quote]Originally posted by IQ78:
<strong>Well, the new PowerMacs look okay to me. I really can't think of a more accessible case than what they have now with the flip out side on the QS. I really wish I knew the specs.

I think the firewire/usb connections in front are prettly slick. You know apple has been reluctant to put connectors in the front because they look tacky. They seem to have solved that problem. Plus angling the cables downwards makes since anyway. The cables will take less Desktop space because they won't arch away from the box like they would if they came straight out. They quickly angle to the desk. Nice touch in my opinion. It's the ttention to detail that Apple is known for.

Now if the specs are decent enough, they could have some winners.

I don't really understand the push to have totally redesigned cases. The flip-out design is fantastic.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree, since this design came out on the PowerMac G3 B+W, I think it is the best design ever. I would like to see more HD drives in this version though. I think I read that it can fit 4, is that right?

All they really need to do to keep everyone happy is change the external plastics, but they can not give up on the door for such easy access to the inside of the computer.

The final design will sport handles that show the influence of Ives early career.

Also ,I bet the heatsink weighs 1.7 lbs.


Image deleted at the request of Apple legal....

MSKR

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I think its interesting that the main point of contention in this thread has shifted from "are these pics real?" to "are the holes on the front og the new PowerMacs for Vents or Ports"

I think its also interesting to note that this contention shifted almost as soon as the very nice glossy photoshoped adaptation of the case design was posted.

So, when its a grainy espionage-looking digital photo - IT MUST BE FAKE!

But, when some one takes some time and turns out a glossy mock up (that I must admit looks Fab-U!) We're suddenly more willing to believe...

Well, i for one have no idea, but i hope its real because I've been waiting for three months to buy a Powermac, and I've been holding out for these new fangled units.

See you all in line at the apple store when they're released

i think they are ADB ports! <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

To all those concerned about the way the newer metal piece functions:

It's design is not an different than the BW G3s or Graphite G4s. In fact it is almost identical save for the power button on the top row.

The quote citing Occum's Razor is a wonderful usage of the term....

what if the holes are both ports and vents?

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Hey...Maybe those holes are what a Gigawire port looks like! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

I find it interesting that a photo of the keyboard or mouse wasn't taken. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> Are there going to be two eject buttons on the keyboard now? Using ribbon cable, I don't think it would be that hard to connect the front ports to the MB. The "minor" revision to the case, could be the result of Apple keeping costs down on the production side during this downturn.

Why can't they use the same mechanism as the quicksilvers... It's much more sexier in my opinion.

LOL!

Heh, that LOL was meant to apply to michael grey, but hell, this is like IRC! Before I got back 3 post sprouted. This sure is exciting. When will we find out if it's real? I'm still not sure what to think.

[quote]Originally posted by the cool gut:
<strong>Are there going to be two eject buttons on the keyboard now?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Good point. Perhaps like others have mentioned they will be slot loading, or maybe have x-server type buttons. Or maybe I have no idea. In any case. I am just reposting the links for the original photos.

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Still no word from Apple to take um down so I guess I can presume that they don't read here, or that they are fake. ::sigh:: Unless they intentionally leaked them, but then that theory has been explored already.

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