New PowerMac pictures leaked - Page 14

[quote]Originally posted by Agent Cooper:
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Acctually Spart, I would buy one of the current G4s, especially the Dual Gig, but I'd feel dumb buying it now when i can see that new ones are around the corner. I imagine I can buy one of those perfectly fine and dandy Dual Gigs for cut rate prices when these beasts are released...

as for xserve, Hmm.. wouldn't match the curtains... </strong><hr></blockquote>

The new powermac will probably have Xserve styling...

[quote]Originally posted by apple.otaku:
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Yes, Thank you. Not how I remembered it though. How did you find it? The search funtion never works for me anymore. It comes up as 0 topics found even when I search be member number.</strong><hr></blockquote>
They were from old AI, so they aren't in any of Dorsal M's posts. A while ago, someone posted all of Dorsal's posts from old AI, and I saved them. (I can send the rest to you if you want.) I think that the repost was long enough ago that it was automatically deleted.

[quote]Originally posted by Spart:
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The new powermac will probably have Xserve styling...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Nooooooooooo!

I want a glossy white powermac...

[quote]Originally posted by Agent Cooper:
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Nooooooooooo!

I want a glossy white powermac...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Don't bet on it.

Brushed Metal is the new graphite.

<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

There is no way the new powerma is going to be white....think about it.

Pro line :

Xserve : metal
PowerBook : metal
PowerMac : metal

there's no way they're going to make it white

Consumer Line :

iMac : white
iBook : white

what do you want them to call it an iPowerMac?

It's gonna be metal and it's not going to look anything like these old QuickSilver mockups.

And beige plastic is the new brushed aluminum......&lt;shudder&gt;....what a thought...sorry, going full circle there.

Back on track, shall we?

Ports instead of vents? Good idea, but with Apple's track-record the looks are more important than the functionality.

"We listened" is something that Steve said about something or other recently. Maybe it was about spring-loaded folders. Maybe it was about something else too. But the "we're listening" thing has yet to show up in a resounding thunderclap.

I'll expect front-mounted jacks when I see a faster system bus, a multi-button mouse, blah, blah, blah, (the usual running list of tricked out bits). THAT'S when I'll expect to see tricked-out bits.

This one can be then next one for all I care right now.


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[quote]Originally posted by Jay Contonio:
<strong>There is no way the new powerma is going to be white....think about it.

Pro line :

Xserve : metal
PowerBook : metal
PowerMac : metal

there's no way they're going to make it white

Consumer Line :

iMac : white
iBook : white

what do you want them to call it an iPowerMac?

It's gonna be metal and it's not going to look anything like these old QuickSilver mockups.</strong><hr></blockquote>

And we're supposed to see XServe styled Cinema Displays too?

It's going to be white.... or a light grey...

MSKR

[quote]Originally posted by Spart:
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Don't bet on it.

Brushed Metal is the new graphite.

<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Acctually I disagree with you there. I think Mr. Ives has a touch of sympathy for me and my ilk. The iMac and the iBook (which i proudly use and love) both have a very tasteful glossy look to them. I wouldn't assume so quickly that all the Pro equipment will be metal.

I don't think its an unreasonable assumption, the G4 Powerbook and the Xserve are both pro eqiupment and they both have metal styling. The iMac and iBook are both consumer and are both Consumer Grade, and both Glossy and White. Based on this it would be rational to assume that the Power Macs would be of Metal looks and curves.

However, is the Power mac an exclusively pro machine? No, it isn't. Many people buy the towers not for their specs but also for their expandablity, and at least partially out of style considerations. The PowerMacs are a line of Prosumer devices, intended to bridge the gap between the two schoold of devices.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were right, and i wouldn't be surprised if the prototype pics were closer to the mark. Personally I'm hoping for Glossy white - Have you seen that white keyboard? Its pretty slick.

haven't seen any metal keyboards, have you ?

Actually Colors are the new beige...and white is the new colors...white with chrome accents.

The colors branched off into greyish colors which denoted pro line...or SE. Which turned into metal and gleaming silvery stuff you have on the current PM. Which will go metal pretty soon.

[quote]Originally posted by drewprops:
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Ports instead of vents? Good idea, but with Apple's track-record the looks are more important than the functionality.
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If all of the vents are not needed for cooling, might this be a (probably unintentional) "third party opportunity"? Might we see expansion cards which utilize them?

[quote]Originally posted by Agent Cooper:
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Acctually I disagree with you there. I think Mr. Ives has a touch of sympathy for me and my ilk. The iMac and the iBook (which i proudly use and love) both have a very tasteful glossy look to them. I wouldn't assume so quickly that all the Pro equipment will be metal.

I don't think its an unreasonable assumption, the G4 Powerbook and the Xserve are both pro eqiupment and they both have metal styling. The iMac and iBook are both consumer and are both Consumer Grade, and both Glossy and White. Based on this it would be rational to assume that the Power Macs would be of Metal looks and curves.

However, is the Power mac an exclusively pro machine? No, it isn't. Many people buy the towers not for their specs but also for their expandablity, and at least partially out of style considerations. The PowerMacs are a line of Prosumer devices, intended to bridge the gap between the two schoold of devices.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were right, and i wouldn't be surprised if the prototype pics were closer to the mark. Personally I'm hoping for Glossy white - Have you seen that white keyboard? Its pretty slick.

haven't seen any metal keyboards, have you ? </strong><hr></blockquote>

No but you have to admit that a keyboard like the current Apple Pro Keyboard with chromed over keys would look pretty cool. But the keys might turn into 108 little concave mirrors that would burn out your eyes...I can see the law suits coming.

[quote]Originally posted by Jay Contonio:
<strong>There is no way the new powerma is going to be white....think about it.

Pro line :

Xserve : metal
PowerBook : metal
PowerMac : metal

there's no way they're going to make it white

Consumer Line :

iMac : white
iBook : white

what do you want them to call it an iPowerMac?

It's gonna be metal and it's not going to look anything like these old QuickSilver mockups.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah I agree, whole heartedly. I am especially fond of the XServe style mock up of the next PowerMac. As for displays, it is possible for brushed aluminum ones, but seeing as most people keep their tower under a desk and monitors on top, it wouldn't be a problem.

[quote]Originally posted by Spart:
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No but you have to admit that a keyboard like the current Apple Pro Keyboard with chromed over keys would look pretty cool. But the keys might turn into 108 little concave mirrors that would burn out your eyes...I can see the law suits coming.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Maybe a dark grey, like Quicksilver would be closer to the truth there.

I dont know... It looks good, but it doesnt flow very well.. Oh well. Could someone tell me why there is an image overlayed on the screen? And what would be the purpose of the 'vents' on the front? The current cooling system would be sufficient for any G4.... those would almost certainly have to be ports, and why are the bays so tall?I'm 50/50 on this....

hmm.... we'll all know in about a month..

-ARW

[quote]Originally posted by Spart:
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No but you have to admit that a keyboard like the current Apple Pro Keyboard with chromed over keys would look pretty cool. But the keys might turn into 108 little concave mirrors that would burn out your eyes...I can see the law suits coming.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Yeah, a chrome keyboard would rock, but that would mean i would need to buy new curtains again ...

[quote]Originally posted by Agent Cooper:
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Yeah, a chrome keyboard would rock, but that would mean i would need to buy new curtains again ...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just curtains!? With every Apple product refresh I buy a new house.

[quote]Originally posted by glurx:
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Just curtains!? With every Apple product refresh I buy a new house.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, glad to know I'm not the only apple-addict who cares about color co-ordination.

[quote]Originally posted by Agent Cooper:
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Yeah, a chrome keyboard would rock, but that would mean i would need to buy new curtains again ...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Power Mac: $2999
Curtians: $79

Hmm.

<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

Can some one post that X-Serve Style Tower against the mock-up of this one...
WHAT I BELIEVE: <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
THIS IS A PROTOTYPE AND REAL---- BUT NOT ANYTHING THAT WILL EVER BE RELEASED <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

[quote]Originally posted by Nebagakid:
<strong>Can some one post that X-Serve Style Tower against the mock-up of this one...
WHAT I BELIEVE: <img src="graemlins/surprised.gif" border="0" alt="[Surprised]" />
THIS IS A PROTOTYPE AND REAL---- BUT NOT ANYTHING THAT WILL EVER BE RELEASED <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

[quote]Originally posted by Spart:
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Power Mac: $2999
Curtians: $79

Hmm.

<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Bah! I've never paid that much for curtains...!

[quote]Originally posted by Aquatik:
<strong>To maximize data bandwidth and reduce memory latency, Motorola Inc. said it will likely integrate a DRAM controller directly onto a future high-end PowerPC processor ... By doing so, the processor could bypass an external bus and have a direct link to the DRAM. ... "It makes a lot more sense to add high-speed memory controllers on processors," ... "Anytime you have a bus, you have to arbitrate for the bus. Rather than let it go hungry, you could feed the processor as fast as it can be fed."

Anyone who knows about this stuff think this is possible, in this case depicted here? Or in the next PowerMac revision?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Absolutely -- the case is irrelevent for this aspect of the design. Whether this could show up in the next PowerMac is a function of whether Motorola has developed a new G4 variant with an on-chip memory controller...

Here is a bunch of what we think we know:

• Motorola has talked up on-chip memory controllers for some time now.
• They have a working on-chip memory controller with DDR266/333 support on the 8540. Shipping or damn close.
• They have said that the G4 will retain its MPX bus, MPX will not change substantially except for a possible speed bump to 166 MHz at some point in the future.
• Various sources claim that Apple's next machine will have gone a long way toward addressing the bandwidth problem.
• A new version of the G4 is coming, based on the 0.13 process, which provides an opportunity for design changes.
• The 7455's transistor count is relatively low for a modern processor... leaving plenty of room on-chip for something like a memory controller (and a larger L2 cache on-chip).
• The Register has been talking about a confusing array of new G4s, one (or more) of which include an on-chip memory controller.
• This prototype case includes a significantly improved cooling system, which may hint at a processor that run hotter... possibly due to higher clock rates and/or greater on-chip complexity.

Possible? Yes. Likely? You decide...

[quote]Originally posted by Agent Cooper:
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Bah! I've never paid that much for curtains...!
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Any ammount of light striking the new chrome keyboard will cause you to go blind for some reason....

Those curtians are from NASA.

<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

Apart from memory bandwidth, is there any real need for the FSB pipe to be as large as we want it to be? Or is it mere, "he's got a bigger..." psychology?

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Maybe the graphics card...

[quote]Originally posted by Spart:
<strong>Maybe the graphics card...</strong><hr></blockquote>

But say, you have an on-chip DDR memory controller, then would a 133MHz or maybe 166MHz MPX bus be enough for everything else. I don't know if the high-end graphics cards could saturate the pipe.

[quote]Originally posted by Animaniac:
<strong>But say, you have an on-chip DDR memory controller, then would a 133MHz or maybe 166MHz MPX bus be enough for everything else. I don't know if the high-end graphics cards could saturate the pipe.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It could (saturate it)... but the MPX's 850 MB/sec would probably handle the situation in the short term (i.e. next year) just fine. I/O system bandwidth would have to cross the MPX as well, as would any interaction between processors. This wouldn't be the end-all-be-all, but it would be a substantial improvement in processor performance over the current situation.

They should use duct tape...

It would go into <a href="http://duluthpack.com" target="_blank">Duluth Packs </a> well <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

Remember these Dorsal tidbits?
<a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=001420" target="_blank">http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=001420</a>

emphasis mine.....
[quote]Originally posted by Dorsal M:

the interesting part is that the motherboard is a cheaper 4 layer variety while the CPU daughter card is made on a more expensive 8 layer board.
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The reason for this is the fact that the G5 CPU has a built-in memory controller that interacts with high-speed DDR-SDRAM.
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To run at these fast speeds you must utilize 2 dimensional PCB space efficiently.
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On the CPU daughter card you will find 3 slots for DDR-SDRAM DIMMS.
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They are distanced from the actual CPU core to allow for the heatsink placement, but in this configuration (since on the card the CPU is hard soldered to the PCB) you can design DIMM slots that can operate at 133, 166, and quite possibly 200MHz at DDR speeds.
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In fact, I believe the impedence should be low enough to allow for 4 DIMM slots.
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So It sounds like he was at least partly right. As far as the CPU being on a seperate daughter card. It appears to be that way in the recent pix. Though it sounds like he is saying the ram slots were on the daughter card also (and only 3 of them), at least on his boards. It appears in the new pixs that the ram is on the main board and there are four slots. Interesting.

[ 07-24-2002: Message edited by: havanas ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by Programmer:
<strong>It could (saturate it)... but the MPX's 850 MB/sec would probably handle the situation in the short term (i.e. next year) just fine.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So I guess a G4 with a on-chip memory controller and 266 mhz FSB (DDR) could well overtake similiar clocked athlons in terms of performance? Or if we fantasize a bit about a 166 MPX bux and 2 G4s at 1.2 ghz each that could pose a "threat" to Athlon MP systems, right?

I am just wondering how much such a solution would "make up" in terms of noticeable performance when working with big photoshop files or 3D rendering and games since for Apple it's basically about bragging rights in front of the customer and then Steve's fingers surely itch to do a Shake bake-off.

Anyway a MPX 166 bus and a G4 with on-chip memory controller would probably be great, but I wonder what chances do "we" have to really get both and not a hack solution that doesn't really give a significant boost to performance.

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[ 07-24-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</p>

Programmer thanks for the info! This whole controller-on-chip theory sounds great, but as we know all too well Motorola is great at designing chips, but when it comes to making them.... I'm worried about their huge losses now.

Eugene said:
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"...purporting to be a
depiction of a future Apple product part ("Material")...
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What's that supposed to mean?

I have to say that this spectulation is getting tiresome.
Time can't pass fast enough so that this thread will die.

But maybe that's just me. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

this thread will not die, i mean we got at LEAST another page talking about that C&D letter.

[quote]Originally posted by Aquatik:
<strong>Eugene said:

What's that supposed to mean?</strong><hr></blockquote>

It's a non-admission.

Apple would expectedly send C&D letters to anyone violating copyright, NDA, etc. Here, my guess is that they are arguing that they are also being misrepresented by a product that is purporting to be an Apple product.

Basically, Apple is saying that the item in the photo, while not necessarily an Apple product, is sufficiently similar to an Apple product to be damaging to the brand.

So, they aren't saying that it's going to be a shipping product, rather that it's a prototype or hacked Apple product and don't want people to be misled. I wonder if I tore my iBook apart, painted it silver and tried to pass the photos off as an iBook Limited Edition if a similar letter would arrive.

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[quote]Originally posted by k_munic:
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[ 07-24-2002: Message edited by: k_munic ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Amazing... the next logo for xlr8yourmac.com!

ok drawing an incredibly long bow here..seen on a site somewhere


"Hmm. This apple I'm eating is pretty good...
posted by xxxxxxxx at 3:33 PM"

(name x'ed out)

3.33pm hey hmm... 333 DDR

[ 07-24-2002: Message edited by: gsxrboy ]</p>

This is good stuff. har har har
we've seen the next powermacs.....spent eons debating likely innards to these beauties(I like this new design alot) and still we are clueless....okay well not necessarily clueless...OMG! its 3 AM...what hte hell am I still doing up!
stupid warcraft 3 addictivness....you'll rue the day....you hear me!
RUE!!!!!

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