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post #561 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by Spart:
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Power Mac: $2999
Curtians: $79

Hmm.

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It's no good,Spart! Even if I sell all the curtains in the house I still can't afford the PowerMac!
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post #562 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by johnsonwax:
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It's a non-admission.

Apple would expectedly send C&D letters to anyone violating copyright, NDA, etc. Here, my guess is that they are arguing that they are also being misrepresented by a product that is purporting to be an Apple product.

Basically, Apple is saying that the item in the photo, while not necessarily an Apple product, is sufficiently similar to an Apple product to be damaging to the brand.

So, they aren't saying that it's going to be a shipping product, rather that it's a prototype or hacked Apple product and don't want people to be misled. I wonder if I tore my iBook apart, painted it silver and tried to pass the photos off as an iBook Limited Edition if a similar letter would arrive.</strong><hr></blockquote>

umm apple has only sent cease and desit letters for products that turn out to be real history has shown this. they have never sent one for any other reason.

The only thing thats bothering me is the response time apple had and apple still hasn't gotten it off certain websites usually they are much much quicker. thats the only thing that bothers me
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post #563 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
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[ 07-24-2002: Message edited by: Eugene ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

HEY!?!?!? Where is this Cease & Desist letter, if you posted it why take it down. ::Grr:: I dunno, I for one still haven't gotten one and by posting the photos I've got over 10,000 hits. (and $72 in donations via my donation link ) My point is... if ya got one Eugene, can I see it so that I know what to expect? Thx mate!
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post #564 of 689
Eugene, thanks, I saw the letter this morning but I had to run to work, naturally, now that I'm trying to kill some time, it's gone. Why'dya take it down? Did you get more Apple Legal grief?

Maybe you could PM me about it, I won't post the letter in any public space, I'd just like to get an idea of the language used. IIRC, it's rather ambiguous on the matter of 'whom' Apple does not allow to publish product shots. With the logo obscured the way it is, and you not under any form of NDA, Apple Legal really hasn't any recourse. They can be as 'concerned' as they like but it's just mumbo-jumbo.

Please e-mail me the letter, or (anyone) point me to a link of someone who is posting a letter so I can verify the language. About 5 minutes after, I'll tell you (for certain) whether this thing is real or not.
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post #565 of 689
I saw the C & D letter posted this morning...

It seems to be exactly the same wording that was sent to spymac and the French site...

<a href="http://www.macbidouille.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2002-07-21#3087" target="_blank">The C&D from Macbidouille</a>

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post #566 of 689
ThanksI can now tell you both what that is and where it is, if you really wanna know that is.
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post #567 of 689
When the future XMac and XBook will be available ?

Announcement : August (mid to end of August)


I will play with in October ? November ?

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post #568 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by Appleworm:
When the future XMac and XBook will be available ?
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MacBidouille says today that the powermacs will be presented the 5th of August.

toi tu dois le savoir non ? t'es de France.
post #569 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by olli:
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MacBidouille says today that the powermacs will be presented the 5th of August.

toi tu dois le savoir non ? t'es de France.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well it says also that these powermacs will have 166*2 DDR bus
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but the information is not confirmed.
post #570 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by olli:
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MacBidouille says today that the powermacs will be presented the 5th of August.

toi tu dois le savoir non ? t'es de France.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Never trust a French website unless you speak French. Something always seems to get lost in the translation.
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post #571 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by olli:
<strong>toi tu dois le savoir non ? t'es de France.</strong><hr></blockquote>

turtois what?
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post #572 of 689
Could someone please send me the pics?
I'd like to thank every one who send me the pics!
Bless You, you guys are Great!

PS. Please do not send me anymore of them.
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post #573 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by sirheikki:
<strong>Could someone please send me the pics? </strong><hr></blockquote>

Check your email

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post #574 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>ThanksI can now tell you both what that is and where it is, if you really wanna know that is.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I wanna know....
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post #575 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by olli:
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MacBidouille says today that the powermacs will be presented the 5th of August.

toi tu dois le savoir non ? t'es de France.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Google translation yields:
There is a strong probability that the new machines pro are marketing (or presented) on August 5! - They will have, as one can expect a bus report GDR it. This Bus GDR will not be a 133*2, but a 166*2! The report exchanges will thus be done to "333

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post #576 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by O and A:
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umm apple has only sent cease and desit letters for products that turn out to be real history has shown this. they have never sent one for any other reason.</strong><hr></blockquote>

How do you know? What was the last photo of a prototype case that was posted to the web? The red mobo on eBay was yanked. Are you sure that's going to ship?

I've seen a number of prototype cases in person over the years but never seen a photo of one posted. If I had snapped pics of them and posted them, I'm pretty sure that Apple legal would have sent a nice letter along... and some of those systems didn't ship in the form that I saw them.
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post #577 of 689
I thought this thread had been deleted <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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[ 07-24-2002: Message edited by: Matsu ]</p>
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[quote]Originally posted by BobtheTomato:
<strong>I thought this thread had been deleted <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

It was...its topic number is different now. Also, one post appears to be missing, judging from my recollection of which post was at the top of the page before....
post #580 of 689
This thread was gone for what? 20 minutes? And you freaks act like 5-year-old ninnies.

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post #581 of 689
it's alive...it's alive


thxs mods
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AI... DON'T EVER TAKE OUR BELOVED SPECULATION THREADS AWAY AGAIN

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Thank you.
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Gosh .. What ... happened ...?
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post #585 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>This thread was gone for what? 20 minutes? And you freaks act like 5-year-old ninnies.

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That's the only reason it IS back in 20 minutes as far as I am concerned. The only way to get service, as I am sure many have learned in what is known as the real world, is to yell and bitch until your point is heard. So now, back on topic.

Macbidouille says new powermac by the 5th and DDR333. Truth or fiction?
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The thread is back! Hoo-ray!

Hey Mods and Admins? Just curious about why it was removed in the first place. Did apple ask(via lawyers) you to remove any pics and links to pics? Would this kind of maintenance require taking the thread down while you removed them?

Thats My guess. But I'm kind of slow.

Anyway, I wanted to point out, that despite the fact that the pictures apparently don't exist anymore, that there are some suspect dark patches on the side panel of the case.

I showed the pictures to my brother yesterday and he pointed to the side panel, the folding door, and asked "Does that say G5?"

It took me a little while to see it, but on the side panel there are hints of something dark on the door. I personally think they are just shadows, but they are in the places where a G and a 5 would be, if apple were to copy its design scheme of the old B&W G3s. Anyone else see this?

For the record, i think its a CO-INCIDENCE, but I am interested in what you all think.
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post #587 of 689
hey, I just wrote a seriously long ass reply to the question of whether or not the pics in question were real and when I went to post the whole F-ING thread was gone.
In my opinion they are real and the letter, the pics and other net sources prove it (to my mind) conclusively.

Furthermore, I believe that the units in question are already being mass produced and that the pictures had to come from someone working on the assembly or on final quality control/packaging (due to the poor/hasty quality) It follows reasonably that enough people are now daily seeing these macs that it is impossible to pinpoint the source from the picture, many would have had similar opportunity to leak this photo by now, which is why someone did.

TO ANYONE CONSIDERING BUYING AN OLD POWERMAC (QUICKSILVER) DO NOT BUY ANY POWERMAC PRODUCT UNTILL THE MACHINES ARE UPDATED. I BELIEVE A MAJOR UPDATE IS EMMINENT.

Further evidence the cease and dissist as it appears on <a href="http://www.macbidouille.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2002-07-21#3087" target="_blank">this Macbidouille page</a>:


This letter is on behalf of our client, Apple Computer, Inc. ("Apple"), and relates to the public postings and display of photos and files purporting to be depictions of future Apple products ("Material") on your web site at .

Pursuant to Apple internal policies, this type of Material is not permitted to be disclosed or published to any unauthorized persons. By continuing to publish, display, or link to the Material, you and your company may be disclosing Apple confidential business information and/or Apple trade secrets and also may be held liable for infringing Apple's rights under various federal and state laws.

Therefore, we request that you cease and desist from displaying the Material on all web sites and servers under your control, including any hyperlinks to other locations where the Material may be available.

Because this is a matter we take very seriously, we ask that you immediately confirm in writing that you have removed the Material from your web site.

Sincerely,

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Notice the passive voice? This is legal speak for we haven't any actual power but we'll try our best to sound authoritative. "...is not permitted?" Really? Not permitted by whom? What law? Which state? Where the law and remedy are clear, the cease and desist is also equally clear. In this case it's just carefully worded to sound that way.

You mean not permitted by Apple? Well yes. You have the right to your secrets. But look also to the state and federal laws alluded to in the letter. More legal gobbledygook. Yes, apple has remedy against those that 'disclose' private information in violation of contracts (not I, you, AI, or Macbidouille have any such contract). Furthermore, the publisher of the information is not disclosing a trade secret, which has by the very admission implicit in this letter already been disclosed. It is now a news item that Apple has no ability to control outside of legal intimidation. Any recourse Apple has is against the individual who made the disclosure in violation of some contract or agreement. I had cited examples as diverse as Ford Motor Company and the Pam and Tommy Lee sex tape, but I'm too lazy to type it again.

Rest assured, it is the opinion of this poster, that those pics are both real and in production, and that the models they depict are due soon, probably being stock-piled for immeadiate availability of at least some models once they are announced. Furthermore, the Aug 5 date mentioned in the old thread makes sense in that it gives enough time for Apple to invite people to a special event and debut the new machines.

I WOULD ADVISE YOU NOT TO BUY ANY CURRENT POWERMAC UNTILL SUBSTANTIAL UPDATES ARE RELEASED.

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post #588 of 689
Matsu - You have made your point.
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This thread has been edited to comply with the requests of Apple's attorneys at Arent Fox.

Please refrain from posting images in this thread, or it will be deleted.


"Matsu", I would suggest calming down a bit.
post #590 of 689
Well, I was perfectly content to post it here (the kinder original) but after a much more lucid account of the information and the letter got lost in the 'wait it's here, no it's gone, wait, it's back again' thread flux I typed up that thing above your post, Bohdi, and I started a new thread. Then that dissapeared so I started another one, then that got moved, so I started redirecting, then that dissapeared too, but this finally reappeared so I'm happy to post this back here.

Steve, you really are an a$$, I think I'm going to have to change my sig again.
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[quote]Originally posted by sysadmin:
<strong>This thread has been edited to comply with the requests of Apple's attorneys at Arent Fox.

Please refrain from posting images in this thread, or it will be deleted.
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Easy enough We're an easy bunch to please you know...
post #592 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>PS, F-you Steve, we'll teach you to fvck with our press passes.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Matsu, get your head out of your ass. AI doesn't have anything to do with press passes.

We're a messageboard, we have no reporters or anything.

Consider this a warning. We don't suffer fools.
post #593 of 689
Can we get this thread back on course, I need my fill of rampant and baseless speculation.
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...We don't suffer fools.</strong><hr></blockquote>

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Personally, i'm Glad the pics have been removed.

Not only does Apple's reaction confirm our suspicions that the pics are real, but it makes those of us who saw them and downloaded copies of them as soon as they appeared feel justified.

As for those of you who DIDN'T see them, too bad! Thats what you get for having a life, and not cruising the web for mac-rumors constantly!
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post #596 of 689
[quote]That's the only reason it IS back in 20 minutes as far as I am concerned.<hr></blockquote>

All the weeping and wailing from the morons did was make the process more tense and slow, actually.

Have you ever had to deal with a young child who wanted a bottle but kept screaming and breaking things to show his displeasure all the while you're trying to get the bottle ready so you have to neglect fixing the bottle to tend to the child?

It's like that.
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post #597 of 689
Apple Fools! Now we know the pics are REAL! Hahahhah in the end we get what we want.

Confirmation!

Now I expect G4 procs at 1.6Ghz with DDR 400.

Thank you Arent Fox!
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post #598 of 689
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
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All the weeping and wailing from the morons did was make the process more tense and slow, actually.

Have you ever had to deal with a young child who wanted a bottle but kept screaming and breaking things to show his displeasure all the while you're trying to get the bottle ready so you have to neglect fixing the bottle to tend to the child?

It's like that. </strong><hr></blockquote>


But in this case the "child" didn't know you were preparing the "bottle." Maybe if that were known, things would have been much different. And only children on the internet like to make insults purporting someone's juvenile nature. I have yet to see my fellow adults call someone childish when they know not the person's age.

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ummm,

is that expressed breast milk or formula?
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post #600 of 689
Enough Flames!

I for one am glad the thread is back. I say we return to our rampant and baseless speculation.
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