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post #81 of 689
7/21/02 at 7:05am
It does seem from the one photo of the case like it would not be that hard to fake if you had a B&W G3 or G4 case laying around. I'm puzzled too since the red board had FW2, course it's been said it's a later board, seems kinda atrange. I mean they feel brave enough to take the heat sink off the processor card to get a picture but not brave enough to get a pic of the back of the inside of the case showing the vertical HD and the Slim PS?

It's interesting I'll give it that
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post #82 of 689
7/21/02 at 7:06am
DDR on the mobo?, mabey i will get a new p-mac before MWSF. this is why i come to this forum, shit like this.
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post #83 of 689
7/21/02 at 7:15am
I have to admit this thing seems real (unfortunately.) Maybe FW2's on there somewhere, but it doesn't seem to be.

This must be that stop-gap motherboard that someone mentioned (moki, dorsal? I don't know.) DDR isn't enough to make me buy a new machine.

I'm curious how they'll price this. Of course the CPU speed will make a difference, but with a $2000 iMac with a 17" monitor out there, they can't price it too low.
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post #84 of 689
7/21/02 at 7:15am
[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>No, I've seen that color board, with whatever that chip is, mounted diagonally like that... I've seen that sucker before, I'm sure of it.

Either I got a look at an Apple MoBo without knowing it, I had a premonition, or that thing is fake.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It looked familiar to me too. Were we thinking of the nForce 1/2 motherboard?
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It has a chip mounted like that but it's not the CPU.
And notice how this board says copyright 2001 and has a part number of what looks like 820-1309-02. Is that at least similar to a G4 mobo part number? And where are the RAM slots on this thing? Mounted on that odd looking board at the bottom?
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post #85 of 689
7/21/02 at 7:15am
[quote]Originally posted by mrkennedy:
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Why not a french site ?
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Yeah, that's what I thought. They should know Apple Europe is headed in France.
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post #86 of 689
7/21/02 at 7:17am
Hm, the big green card in the front is no PCI card, as you can see its only attached to the case only. It also "hangs" a little displaced on the left side.

What it is? Its in fact a Debugging card that enables to change a big amount of electrical connections and confiogurations without having to take the Mobo out or even create a new one.

My guess is that either this is the "old" DDR MoBo (kinda UMA2) that apparently was ready at MWNY01 in a new case,

or it is a new board in fact using an old CPU board.

As has been pointed out, the CPU on the board looks like a 7450 chip (OK, at least a MPC745x while noting I havent seen a 7460 Chip yet). The entire Daughtercard looks as it would fit a QuickSilver MoBo, its almost striking that the three mounting holes have the same geometry than my daughtercard in the QS. Why would they "insist" on this design ?

So... new Case, old CPU, new board.

Be aware that Apple sends dozens of Testboxes out with different configurations. AND, Motorola hasnt been know to have huge amounts of really new G4s around, so it might be easier to stick with an "old" 800 Mhz G4 to test the new MoBo...
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post #87 of 689
7/21/02 at 7:30am
A couple of observations... This thing does look real to me, however:

I think it is an unfinished test box. the "air vents" on the front are about as un-apple as you can get, and utterly impractical. I think they are "place holders" for ports, most likely 2X USB and 2X Firewire. Also, the aluminum panel at the front is pre-production. There are no optical drives in the box, and that aluminum plating is what the inside of all Apple towers is lined with. It is clear that this machine does not have drives, or the faceplate that covers them. The screws to remove the metal are clearly visible. All in all not too bad looking though!!

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post #88 of 689
7/21/02 at 7:35am
SEEMS to me this is just a prototype and we will have to wait until "August 14th" to get the real new powermac <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> :o
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post #89 of 689
7/21/02 at 7:48am
[quote]Originally posted by zoeph:
<strong>I hope Apple will not take these pictures down, I'd rather see something else coming.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Apple will take 'em down, even though these are NOT the new PMac...and the rumor forums (fora?) will start sprouting "New PMs **CONFIRMED**" threads!

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post #90 of 689
7/21/02 at 8:01am
[quote]Originally posted by warpd:
<strong>A couple of observations... This thing does look real to me, however:

I think it is an unfinished test box. the "air vents" on the front are about as un-apple as you can get, and utterly impractical. I think they are "place holders" for ports, most likely 2X USB and 2X Firewire. Also, the aluminum panel at the front is pre-production. There are no optical drives in the box, and that aluminum plating is what the inside of all Apple towers is lined with. It is clear that this machine does not have drives, or the faceplate that covers them. The screws to remove the metal are clearly visible. All in all not too bad looking though!!

[ 07-21-2002: Message edited by: warpd ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


Look at the photo of the case again where the drive bays are. The surface is showing a reflection of another G4 type case. I see no drive bay face plates or screws.

I do find it od that apple would use such a mirror like surface on the front of a computer where you will be touching all the time to place cd's and dvd's. A brushed metal face like the xserver would make more sence.

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post #91 of 689
7/21/02 at 8:04am
I suppose that button above the drives is the power, but what is the button or watever it is to the upper left hand corner of this thing? I would say this is not the new machine because the PCI/AGP would hit the powersupply which must still be in the top of the back. That si why the PCI slots are at the bottom, also because if you add any extra IDE cards you don't have to run a cable across the computer from top to bottom. Also the computer looked vertically stretched and if you take it into photoshop and try to scale it, it doesnt scale properly. The pictures are conviently vague enough not to be able to tell anything for someone who would have access to a prototype or specially final product liek this. I don't think this is what you will see, the internal stuff just doesn't add up, and apple isn't in the market to make things taller, smaller is their style
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post #92 of 689
7/21/02 at 8:09am
i agree <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
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post #93 of 689
7/21/02 at 8:09am
[quote]Originally posted by ast3r3x:
<strong>it doesnt scale properly</strong><hr></blockquote>


it does scale properly, just keep in mind that this is not a frontal shot of it so the speaker is still oval when scaled.


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[edit:]Â*aargh, missed the most important part, it's NOT a frontal shot.

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post #94 of 689
7/21/02 at 8:10am
[quote]Originally posted by ast3r3x:
<strong>I suppose that button above the drives is the power, but what is the button or watever it is to the upper left hand corner of this thing? I would say this is not the new machine because the PCI/AGP would hit the powersupply which must still be in the top of the back. That si why the PCI slots are at the bottom, also because if you add any extra IDE cards you don't have to run a cable across the computer from top to bottom. Also the computer looked vertically stretched and if you take it into photoshop and try to scale it, it doesnt scale properly. The pictures are conviently vague enough not to be able to tell anything for someone who would have access to a prototype or specially final product liek this. I don't think this is what you will see, the internal stuff just doesn't add up, and apple isn't in the market to make things taller, smaller is their style</strong><hr></blockquote>

Look how wide the unit is relative to the 5 1/4 bays, it has to be a fair bit wider than the current QS case
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post #95 of 689
7/21/02 at 8:13am
The battery is missing too.

Otherwise I would say that this case means business. In otherwords it looks like a case designed to accomodate a rather more professional configuration than the El Capitan. Perhaps we are going to see a top end machine designed at the high end video industry with multple processors or possibly one large hot processor? Taking the comments above it seems likely that this case has been designed to take a different board to the one currently in situ.

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post #96 of 689
7/21/02 at 8:18am
The middle Button is indeed the on/off Button and the thing right of it is the headphone Jack.

The metal is shiny because there is still plastic foil on it, you can tell this from the edges of the metal part. It might be brushed and less reflective underneath, but it is covered in plastic like the rest of the case for proper transport.

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post #97 of 689
7/21/02 at 8:22am
fake.

look at the bottom of the exterior picture.

it's airbrushed.

poorly airbrushed.
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post #98 of 689
7/21/02 at 8:22am
I officially christen this a feeding frenzy, if it is the real thing how much does Apple gain holding on to it for another month?
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post #99 of 689
7/21/02 at 8:22am
As I posted at MacNN...:

[quote]Originally posted at MacNN by Cipher13:
<strong>Y'know, that picture looks quite fake indeed.

The external one, anyway.

The handles: they're the old Yikes! - V'Ger style handles... the hollow, ribbed ones.

The edges are terribly pixelated... many of them. It's really a terrible job, if it is a fake.

This is countered very cleverly covered by the tape, which Apple would not apply that way. Any prototype machine would come packaged as the production machines would.

It's a horrible chop-job done on the main panel. The speaker is misshapen, and smaller than the Hal-speaker.

That, and it's UGLY. Plastic with brushed aluminium? Please...

Now, it states "G5 ready" - you think Apple would allow people to swap from the G4 to G5 like that? Yeah right... unless it's a G5 already.

Same pin count as a G4? I don't know about that...

SDRAM feeding a G5? Yeah right... the G4 is starved as it is.

They NEED DDR to feed the damn things to get any performance increase, or it'll seem just like a G4 with a fancy new name.

EDIT: Oh, and the bottom is also airbrushed.</strong><hr></blockquote>
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post #100 of 689
7/21/02 at 8:29am
The g4 in the powermac is three years old, I think Apple would think of redesigning, if not the whole case, the g4....to create the g5

just imagine, if Apple came out with a dual g5 1.7Ghz machine....I think I would buy it, it would really be the last machine i would need until the next three year point rolls around!

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post #101 of 689
7/21/02 at 8:42am
This pic is a fake.

A very poor photochopped fake.

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post #102 of 689
7/21/02 at 8:46am
do you guys remember how bad we thought the leaked quicksilver photos looked? they looked nasty and none of us believed that they were real, i hope that this isn't the same!
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post #103 of 689
7/21/02 at 9:03am
Ah hell, I can't tell now if the connector for "FireWire 2" or just some reflections/traces are on that new board photo. Hard to see.

Plus I just woke up and my eyes are blurry.

If this is all real (red ebay mobo, this) then damn thats some weird shit Apple. Whoa. Sorry for the cuss word. Thats just a WEIRD looking Mac style. Wow.

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post #104 of 689
7/21/02 at 9:16am
I am waiting for ThinkSecret's take on the .pdf and pictures since they nailed the predictions for MWNY. If you look at their archives, you'll find that they are very accurate.
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post #105 of 689
7/21/02 at 9:18am
Okay unless Apple engineers physically MOVED both USB and FireWire ports over about an inch, there has to be a gap between the Ethernet and FireWire ports.

The diagram doesn't indicated this. Is this board slightly different? The diagram lists SDRAM - are they just not aware of DDR RAM?

That would majorly suck if it were not DDR RAM yet.

And on the CPU daughter card it has the year '2001' on it. If this were a production unit why would it be marked 2001 and not 2002? More questions than answers. Damn it all. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
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post #106 of 689
7/21/02 at 9:20am
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I informed dePlume of the picutures'/pdfs' existance just a while ago, if it helps.

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My take on the pics: they arent airbrushed. Just poor scanning/photos.
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post #107 of 689
7/21/02 at 9:22am


This thing can't be real. It's not very attractive - not very Apple-like. Also, look at the bottom of the this picture. Not only is the bottom of the front of the case fuzzy, but the plastic (loop) bottom stand is uneven and lopsided compared top the top one. Perhaps a photchop job?

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post #108 of 689
7/21/02 at 9:31am
they are "speed holes" like in the simpsons....those holes could easily end up being front ports for usb, firewire, firewire2, usb2....there are only 2 usb and 2 firewire ports on the back of this tower...perhaps apple is giving this new tower more...would have to see an unstretched version, but it is not either overly attractive nor overly ugly...liked the iServe themed mockups of a new tower better, but it is easy to make a design, much harder to make one that fits everything, handles heat well, opens and moves easily...g
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post #109 of 689
7/21/02 at 9:32am
You can see another quicksilver being reflected on the metal plate
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post #110 of 689
7/21/02 at 9:38am
What seems fake to me is where it says "next generation G5 ready" in the PDF. If you look at it, the font for G5 is huge. Seems like this would be done by somebody who faked it but wanted us to see it.

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post #111 of 689
7/21/02 at 9:42am



Looks better at only 390 height.

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post #112 of 689
7/21/02 at 9:42am
Whether fake or not, the real deal will be unveiled in md-August. As usual, everyone says "photoshop", yet every photo Apple puts on its website is altered to make it look better. I think this is just an early prototype of a possible design, not what's coming.
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post #113 of 689
7/21/02 at 9:45am
There very likely is a trend at Apple to move ports in as attractive a manner as possible to the front, thanks to the increase in focus of hot pluggable "digital-lifestyle" devices ... which certainly bodes well for this picture.

The fact that it's butt-ugly unfortunately doesn't. Still, maybe the silver square thingy in the middle is just a proto-type place-holder until something more aesthetically reasonable comes along.

&lt;pondering&gt;

I wonder if Apple would be willing, just to save face, to come out with a completely unreasonable computer for a kind of separate "super-hi-end" space ... for all those 3-D weenies at Pixar, WETA and the like ... the thing might sell in the $6000+ range, and be completely incapable of booting in classic - because the chip inside the thing is a Power4 of some type which requires huge amounts of heat dissappation, thus the stretch case and stoopidly huge heat sinks - but for places running Shake 'n such, well W.G.A.F. - 6 G's is chump change and all they care about is a super fast 'puter runing some form of compatible Unix anyway.

The advantage to Apple? They can claim the speed throne, and show the world there's nothing inherintly wrong with Apple's OS as far as speed is concerned.

Oh, yeah, and they could probably own the 3-D rendering/video/audio production market ... minor point.

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post #114 of 689
7/21/02 at 9:47am
A few things.

0 0 THE PDF IS KNOWN TO NOT BE AN APPLE DOCUMENT

1. It is the red Logic Board. After study there can be no question the basic geometry is next to identical. The dip-switches are still present next to the IDE connectors. I really don' think that is a production element

2. This is probably a beta or dev seed case. The internal shot looks real but not refined. The IDE cable and such are not organized like normal production models, it contains a full length PCI card which is part of the test seed, and when produced all the PCB boards will be the same color.

3. If the board is fake it is one hella PS job. Cases are on thing... PCB is a whole other matter to fake.

5. 7lbs heat sink? WOW. um, either that is one dense mofo and dissipates A LOT of heat big time or the PDF author guessed and didn't weigh it. Ventilation does seem to be a pretty important thing with this case.

All in all, having tech'd G3/G4s for 3 years I say this is spot on if we include my above comments. The attention to detail is far beyond any hoax. Cases are one thing, electronics are a whole other matter.

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post #115 of 689
7/21/02 at 9:50am
I'm not going to debate whether it's real or a fake - but the quicksilver pic at least had the surrounding deleted so Apple couldn not trace it back as easily.

Anyway, if that's the "next" design I would definately paint the aluminium drive bays white. It just looks ugly as it is.

Btw, how hard would it be to hand-assemble such a G3/4/5 tower? I guess painting a G4 quicksilver white wouldn't be that hard, or?
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post #116 of 689
7/21/02 at 9:51am
i'm surprised no one's commented on the supposed "turbine cooling". considering fan placement, air intakes on the front, and what looks like a perforated back panel, air flow through the box has got to be sweet.
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post #117 of 689
7/21/02 at 9:53am
[quote]Originally posted by OverToasty:
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The fact that it's butt-ugly unfortunately doesn't. Still, maybe the silver square thingy in the middle is just a proto-type place-holder until something more aesthetically reasonable comes along.
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[conjecture]

Other way around, I'd bet. The face plate is production and the remainder of the case is the dev seed.

The rest of the case is what we have not seen. This is an internal El Cap case for hardware testing.

Only reason the new face plate is on this unit is because there has never been anything like it in Apples parts bin.

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7/21/02 at 9:54am
[quote]Originally posted by OverToasty:
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The fact that it's butt-ugly unfortunately doesn't. Still, maybe the silver square thingy in the middle is just a proto-type place-holder until something more aesthetically reasonable comes along.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Shouldn't we expect that the silver square thingy be covered by a plastic faceplate the same color as the rest of the front?
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post #119 of 689
7/21/02 at 9:55am
Someone mentioned that this motherboard may be "older" than the red eBay mobo. I don't think so.

I think the guy who made the PDF really saw the next G4 and it does NOT have the mystery port plus he drew the back panel out of proportion (happens all the time).

So this is both good and rather bad news. Nothing really earth shattering in the next G4 other than the front panel now has a big ass metal plate and the internals are completely rearranged to accomodate the exact same stuff as before.

At least the AirPort card is more accessable to install being on the top of the door panel than down in the bottom (requiring fully open doors to get at it).

And I can't believe how much STUFF is crammed into the PC mobo that Eugene posted. What a pain it must be, two different RAM styles with only two slots for each, single ports of each style. No wonder they need so many PCI slots, they have to add a bunch of boards to get more ports or invest in hubs all over the place.

Color be unimpressed. The G4 is definately the most lackluster line ever. Rearranging the internals and replacing the front/back panels 3 times is hardly worthy of Apple. Theres one design that looks somewhat retro (a large rounded corner metallic box up on four posts/legs - I kinda like that for some reason - art-techno stylings).
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post #120 of 689
7/21/02 at 10:12am
the case is obviously a prototype,come on, it is not fake, it is just not going to be ever seen by the public
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