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post #1 of 37
11/17/01 at 9:07pm
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Thanks Nick for closing the last thread. someone else makes it go "off topic" and you close it being your power hungry self.

there happy, here's another one
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post #2 of 37
11/17/01 at 11:03pm
So please explain to me what your main concern is. After all the design revisions we made, I can't determine which of your old posts apply to the current scheme.

[ 11-18-2001: Message edited by: Nick ]</p>
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post #3 of 37
11/18/01 at 8:59am
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nally posted by Nick:
<strong>So please explain to me what your main concern is. After all the design revisions we made, I can't determine which of your old posts apply to the current scheme.

[ 11-18-2001: Message edited by: Nick ]</strong>[/QUOTE]

I want the old graphite scheme back.

too hard to comprehend?
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post #4 of 37
11/18/01 at 11:58am
I think you should drop it applenut. Obviously they aren't gunna change it.
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post #5 of 37
11/18/01 at 12:13pm
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[quote]Originally posted by EmAn:
<strong>I think you should drop it applenut. Obviously they aren't gunna change it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

because they are bastards who are trying to control everything their own personal way
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post #6 of 37
11/18/01 at 12:38pm
applenut, you have to understand that we cannot change our BBS's appearance because one user is unhappy. When we had many users complaining about the first all-grey look, we changed it.... but when only one person out of several hundred dislikes an appearance, it is unwise to start messing with colors again.
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post #7 of 37
11/18/01 at 1:14pm
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[quote]Originally posted by Nick:
<strong>applenut, you have to understand that we cannot change our BBS's appearance because one user is unhappy. When we had many users complaining about the first all-grey look, we changed it.... but when only one person out of several hundred dislikes an appearance, it is unwise to start messing with colors again.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not alone. its very ignorant to say that I am alone. WHY DID IT NEED TO BE CHANGED IN THE FIRST PLACE!? Huh? No one ever had any issues with the old one. it was you bastards thinking "you knew best".
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post #8 of 37
11/18/01 at 2:03pm
We gave it a new appearance because the old one was looking outdated.

As you may recall, AppleInsider updated its appearance from a bondi blue/black to the graphite appearance you like so much some time ago. The inspiration for that scheme came from the original PowerMac G4's case. It is now late 2001 and the style has changed a fair bit. As you may or may not know Apple uses a QuickSilver scheme for their powermac. Of course, the powermac's case is not the sole basis of these colors, but they certainly fit with the current Apple style.

Out of curiosity: why do you like the old appearance so much? From what I gather, you think the original PowerMac G4's case "sucks."

[ 11-18-2001: Message edited by: Nick ]</p>
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post #9 of 37
11/18/01 at 2:44pm
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[quote]Originally posted by Nick:
<strong>We gave it a new appearance because the old one was looking outdated.

As you may recall, AppleInsider updated its appearance from a bondi blue/black to the graphite appearance you like so much some time ago. The inspiration for that scheme came from the original PowerMac G4's case. It is now late 2001 and the style has changed a fair bit. As you may or may not know Apple uses a QuickSilver scheme for their powermac. Of course, the powermac's case is not the sole basis of these colors, but they certainly fit with the current Apple style.

Out of curiosity: why do you like the old appearance so much? From what I gather, you think the original PowerMac G4's case "sucks."

[ 11-18-2001: Message edited by: Nick ]</strong><hr></blockquote>


what the hell is wrong with you? we aren't talking about cases. WARNING! Close this thread now. this is exactly what happened in the other thread and you closed. warning, close thread.

the old appearance was easier to read and looked better. this one sucks.

if you're going to go by cases lets just make it flower power, everyone loved that


BTW, what happened to PowerPC OS Land? they down or changed IPs?
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post #10 of 37
11/18/01 at 2:54pm
Trust me, discussing the cases as they relate to our color scheme is on topic.

Also, if you want to talk to me about personal issues please contact me on AIM (NNNRampage).
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post #11 of 37
11/18/01 at 2:55pm
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[quote]Originally posted by Nick:
<strong>Trust me, discussing the cases as they relate to our color scheme is on topic.

Also, if you want to talk to me about personal issues please contact me on AIM (NNNRampage).</strong><hr></blockquote>

and how was it off topic in the other thread?
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post #12 of 37
11/18/01 at 3:10pm
I asked you why you liked a color scheme based on a case that "sucks."

Regardless, lets try to carry on with the discussion.

[ 11-18-2001: Message edited by: Nick ]</p>
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post #13 of 37
11/19/01 at 7:41am
I like this layout. Please don't change it back.
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post #14 of 37
11/19/01 at 12:58pm
applenut, just calm down about this already. And if I remember right, at times while the old AI boards were running people were saying that a change was needed because the look was getting old.
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post #15 of 37
11/19/01 at 1:48pm
Me hate change. Me like bright colors. Me want honeycomb.
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post #16 of 37
11/20/01 at 3:55pm
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[quote]Originally posted by Nick:
<strong>I asked you why you liked a color scheme based on a case that "sucks."

Regardless, lets try to carry on with the discussion.

[ 11-18-2001: Message edited by: Nick ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

what does a case color have to do with a forum color? If this is what you (new "Ai Staff") base your interface designs on I feel very sorry for you. That is just ridiculous. Do you realize how stupid your reasoning sounds?


And check out the macNN thread about AI, I'm not the only one who hates this background.

[quote]I like this layout. Please don't change it back. <hr></blockquote>

layout is different than background my friend

[quote]applenut, just calm down about this already. And if I remember right, at times while the old AI boards were running people were saying that a change was needed because the look was getting old. <hr></blockquote>

you remember incorrectly.

why do you think people aren't coming back? AI isn't the same. it's not the place it used to be, it's been taken over by a bunch of fools who think case designs should be the basis for web page design
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post #17 of 37
11/20/01 at 4:50pm
I agree with Applenut. These colors seem too washed out, look at the top navigation bar one really cant see it.
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post #18 of 37
11/20/01 at 4:51pm
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>it's been taken over by a bunch of fools</strong><hr></blockquote>

Personal insults are never tolerated. This is your first strike.

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I can see what some of you are talking about with AI not being "quite the same." However we anticipated that, and expect things to really pick-up around MWSF, as they always did. I'm very glad to see over 700 registered members and lots of good discussion happening-- the resurrection of AI is now in the hands of its users.

applenut, I find it highly unlikely that some people do not visit AI because the color scheme is different. More likely is the fact that AI was gone for several months and the current mac rumors climate are leaving people with not too much to talk about. Once we resume publication of News & Rumors there should be some more stuff to feast on. =)
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post #19 of 37
11/20/01 at 4:54pm
[quote]Originally posted by MajorMatt:
<strong>I agree with Applenut. These colors seem too washed out, look at the top navigation bar one really cant see it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'll try to get that replaced. I was thinking the same thing.
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post #20 of 37
11/20/01 at 4:56pm
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[quote]Personal insults are never tolerated. This is your first strike.<hr></blockquote>

what are you gonna do ban me? that would really show me! It would be right in line with the other crap "the new administration" has pulled here. I just can't wait to see how badly you screw up the front page of AI once you start posting your "inside info".

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applenut, I find it highly unlikely that some people do not visit AI because the color scheme is different. More likely is the fact that AI was gone for several months and the current mac rumors climate are leaving people with not too much to talk about. Once we resume publication of News & Rumors there should be some more stuff to feast on. =) <hr></blockquote>

of course you find it unlikely, if you didn't you would have changed the background back. It's typical blindness to reality that you and the other admins here are displaying, it's the same everywhere. nice going, way to ruin a place.
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post #21 of 37
11/21/01 at 12:21am
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
<strong>

you remember incorrectly.

why do you think people aren't coming back?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah I am SURE it's the color of the forums!

boy that was a stretch.
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post #22 of 37
11/21/01 at 12:24am
applenut they are just getting annoyed with you cause your acting like a spoiled brat that didn't get his way. Going a couple days of complaining is ok. Doing it nonestop is down right annoying and it makes you look like a little kid throwing a tantrum.

For the people that claim the look looks "washed out" check your gamma settings and adjust them. Then turn off Gamma correction. 80% of the world sees the web in uncorrected gama.. not Mac Gamma.. which in my opinion is WAY too bright for CRTs.
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post #23 of 37
11/21/01 at 3:23am
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[quote]Originally posted by Sinewave:
<strong>applenut they are just getting annoyed with you cause your acting like a spoiled brat that didn't get his way. Going a couple days of complaining is ok. Doing it nonestop is down right annoying and it makes you look like a little kid throwing a tantrum.

For the people that claim the look looks "washed out" check your gamma settings and adjust them. Then turn off Gamma correction. 80% of the world sees the web in uncorrected gama.. not Mac Gamma.. which in my opinion is WAY too bright for CRTs.</strong><hr></blockquote>


1.) some of the administration is younger than me. a case could be made that they are acting like spoiled brats who have a new toy to play with.
2.) You don't get something if you just say oh you aren't going to do anything, thank you.
3.) there is nothing wrong with my gamma settings, it's a poor design.
4.) the background color may not be the sole reason for people not coming back but it contributes to the belief of many that AI is not the AI of old and sucks now.
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post #24 of 37
11/21/01 at 11:25am
[quote]1.) some of the administration is younger than me. a case could be made that they are acting like spoiled brats who have a new toy to play with.<hr></blockquote>

(1) Generally, age has been a remarkably poor measurement of maturity on the internet.

(2) Check your diction. If they're not changing the background, does that make them spoiled or brats?

(3) I'm not changing it either. I've been playing with these toys for years.

Frankly, I see no evidence that the old community is not coming back. The vast majority of the main members of the community were back here on the first day (save Dorsal, but he's a special case).

And frankly, the fact that you're among maybe five or ten people out of 700 that want the background suggests that you are in the minority, not us.

I have nothing personal against changing the background; why would I? If you can actually show me that a large number of people are not coming back because they think the colors are washed out, or a large number of people already here think they're bad and should be changed, I'll have them change the coloring. Five or ten of your cronies isn't going to cut it though.

And watch your attitude. Whining and bitching never got anyone anywhere.
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post #25 of 37
11/21/01 at 11:37am
Personal insults are tolerated, Nick, so long as they aren't made towards the administration. They're ok when the rabble keeps it to themselves.

If someone isn't coming back because the shades are lighter then do you really want them back?

How many people protested the change from that godawful black and turquoise mess? "This isn't the same. The name has been changed from Reality to Appleinsider, I'm never coming back!"

Black and turquoise came from the iMac, dark graphite came from the G4 case and this ostensibly came from Apple's new looks.

Waste of valuable time, go watch some football.
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post #26 of 37
11/21/01 at 12:47pm
I still think it's rediculous saying that part of the reason people aren't coming back is because of the background color. I'm 99.9% sure that has nothing to do with it.

applenut, by calling the administration spoiled brats by using this as an example is just rediculous. It's showing how much of a spoiled brat you are and nothing else. Just calm it already.
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post #27 of 37
11/21/01 at 12:48pm
[quote] If someone isn't coming back because the shades are lighter then do you really want them back?<hr></blockquote>

Exactly, if that's the reason why they aren't coming back they don't belong here to begin with.
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post #28 of 37
11/21/01 at 12:53pm
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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1.) some of the administration is younger than me. a case could be made that they are acting like spoiled brats who have a new toy to play with.
<hr></blockquote></strong>
It's their forum. They can put up pics of Barney if they want to.
[quote]<strong>
2.) You don't get something if you just say oh you aren't going to do anything, thank you.
<hr></blockquote></strong>
You also don't get something when your being a whiney brat either. Actually it usually assures you that you don't get it.
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3.) there is nothing wrong with my gamma settings, it's a poor design.
<hr></blockquote></strong>
That's subjective. I think it looks GREAT.
[quote]<strong>
4.) the background color may not be the sole reason for people not coming back but it contributes to the belief of many that AI is not the AI of old and sucks now.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually I like it BETTER. And I doubt it's even PART of the reason.

[ 11-21-2001: Message edited by: Sinewave ]</p>
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post #29 of 37
11/21/01 at 1:16pm
[quote]Originally posted by groverat:
<strong>Personal insults are tolerated, Nick, so long as they aren't made towards the administration.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Tell me where you see personal attacks happening and I will deal with it.
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post #30 of 37
11/22/01 at 6:50pm
When I first got back to the boards, I admit that I liked the old look better, but I have grown accustomed to the new look.

I actually like it better than before.

I also think that the "administration" is doing an excellent job with these forurms. I'm just glad they're back - the color scheme is the last thing on my mind. The server seems much faster, and I don't particulary care what shade of grey the background is.
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post #31 of 37
11/22/01 at 9:12pm
Today when I was at my sister's house I was using her PC and the background on here really looked bad. Maybe it was just her monitor but it looks much better on a Mac.
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post #32 of 37
11/22/01 at 11:59pm
I happen to like the new look. The only complaint I have is the following:
I think the link color needs to stand out more. Here at home with IE 5 + OS 9 it looks alright but when I look at it in OmniWeb they get terribly hard to read. It might have to do with the Cocoa AA method, I don't know. But it might help to have the links stand out more. Just my $.02
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post #33 of 37
11/24/01 at 3:58pm
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[quote]Originally posted by gorgonzola:
<strong>

(1) Generally, age has been a remarkably poor measurement of maturity on the internet.

(2) Check your diction. If they're not changing the background, does that make them spoiled or brats?

(3) I'm not changing it either. I've been playing with these toys for years.

Frankly, I see no evidence that the old community is not coming back. The vast majority of the main members of the community were back here on the first day (save Dorsal, but he's a special case).

And frankly, the fact that you're among maybe five or ten people out of 700 that want the background suggests that you are in the minority, not us.

I have nothing personal against changing the background; why would I? If you can actually show me that a large number of people are not coming back because they think the colors are washed out, or a large number of people already here think they're bad and should be changed, I'll have them change the coloring. Five or ten of your cronies isn't going to cut it though.

And watch your attitude. Whining and bitching never got anyone anywhere.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't understand your point 3. what was it reffering to?

5 out of 700? I'm sure there are more than that that prefer the older look but really don't care either way. and do you really thinik there are 700 people here? I see about 30-50 different names post consistently. It's amazing how many registered users there are based on the activity of the place.

as for watching my attitude.. agreed. I apologize for acting like an ass but it REALLY pisses me off when one of you closes a thread because "you think the topic is closed". Don't do that.

[quote]It's their forum. They can put up pics of Barney if they want to.
<hr></blockquote>

great, that's assuring

[quote]You also don't get something when your being a whiney brat either. Actually it usually assures you that you don't get it.
<hr></blockquote>

ot being a whiny brat. they aren't considering it and would rather close it because they think the "the topic is closed".

[quote]Today when I was at my sister's house I was using her PC and the background on here really looked bad. Maybe it was just her monitor but it looks much better on a Mac.<hr></blockquote>

see. On my PowerMac G4 with ASD CRT 17 inch its not that bad. I can live with it. But on others such as my Powerbook it doesn't look good. different browsers also make it look different.

[quote]I happen to like the new look. The only complaint I have is the following:
I think the link color needs to stand out more. Here at home with IE 5 + OS 9 it looks alright but when I look at it in OmniWeb they get terribly hard to read. It might have to do with the Cocoa AA method, I don't know. But it might help to have the links stand out more. Just my $.02<hr></blockquote>

again, this is what I am saying. the light grey color is too lite for the text size/color/font. if it was a few shaed darker it would be a lot better.


BTW, I find it interesting you deleted my one sane post about this and then chose to open this thread again. So I'll bring up the question again...

Is it not possible to offer a classic and a new theme for choice?
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post #34 of 37
11/24/01 at 5:53pm
[quote]see. On my PowerMac G4 with ASD CRT 17 inch its not that bad. I can live with it. But on others such as my Powerbook it doesn't look good. different browsers also make it look different.<hr></blockquote>

It was a long time ago, but if I recall right the old AI forums looked bad on her monitor too. It's weird tho cuz MacNN looked fine.
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post #35 of 37
11/24/01 at 6:40pm
we can't offer a choice.

its not part of the software.
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post #36 of 37
11/27/01 at 8:22am
Nevermind...

[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: torifile ]</p>
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post #37 of 37
11/27/01 at 10:13am
And Applenut, I don't know what post you're saying we deleted... because, as far as i know, we have not deleted any posts, and it is strictly against our policy to do so. If you have credible information that a post was deleted, please feel free to discuss this with me privately.

Thanks.
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