[quote]Originally posted by BobtheTomato:
<strong>As far as them contacting your ISP first it's not anything special to you. They did the same thing to Dan Knight at LowendMac (not a small site) a couple years ago when the iMac went flavored (he had a small thumbnail of the leaked photo). They contacted his ISP and didn't contact him at all. (fortunately the ISP contacted him before changing anything). It goes with the game. It really would be nice if the ISP let you know before they changed something, but hey from their perspective, it's the choice of dealing with a hacked off big company with a legion of lawyers or one ticked off user, which would you choose?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Actually, this is due to one of the more outrageous provisions of the DMCA: If a host is noted of an alleged violation, they have to edit or pull the site down immediately. No notice is required - Dan's ISP did him a courtesy. The author of the site is then given 30-odd days to find out what changed or vanished and file a claim of innocence, at which point the affected content can be reposted.
It's a censor's wet dream.
[quote]<strong>I dunno, it really seems like a lot of effort to go through to make life hard on yourself, last I knew renderings are available various places and what, we all had darn near 24 hours to study and/or download said pictures. If you post these, will anybody really care except for the lawyers? Remember the charge of the light brigade was famousand futile. Going down in a blaze of glory is all well and good, but wouldn't you rather do it for something worthwhile? I dunno if some stale goods are really worth it. And you do have better things to do than go to court, don't you? (trust me, it sucks to have your fate thrown into the hand of some disinterested old fart who is hoping to get you processed in 2 minutes flat so he can make it home for his Matlock reruns)</strong><hr></blockquote>
I would be shocked and amazed if Apple/Arent actually filed a suit or pressed charges, although they might just to bury you under a mountain of forms and fees. What they can and will do, especially under the auspices of the DMCA, is use any number of extralegal means to silence people - prior restraint, bullying middlemen such as ISPs or MacNN/AppleInsider, etc. (It sounds like I'm saying the DMCA is extralegal - heh. What I mean is that the "enforcement" mechanism I outlined above doesn't actually require any legal test. All you have to do is notify the host of an alleged violation and you can have someone else's work pulled down.)
As pathetic as this all is, we do have to choose our battles. AppleInsider has chosen not to fight this one. Jonathan B, if you want to fight Apple, knock yourself out. But do not bring us into it. Do not post the leaked images to this site, or link to them. Do not spam the forums. This is a discussion board, not a battleground.
[ 07-25-2002: Message edited by: Amorph ]</p>