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Recently, there has been an "in before lock" fad at AI. Basically, when someone starts a thread that people think will get locked, people try to add a comment saying "in before lock" or something similar before the thread gets locked by a mod. I think these comments are bad for several reasons.

1.They have no content. They add nothing to the thread. All they do is add to the poster's post count and possibly his/her ego count.

2.They are an attempt to usurp the authority of the moderators. The moderators are the ones who have been vested with the authority to lock threads. An attempt to basically lock a thread by popular consent is not appropriate. If you think threads should be locked by popular vote, then suggest it in this forum.

3.Most importantly, they can derail or almost derail a nascent discussion. Often, while the topic-starter's post is perhaps lock-worthy, other posters often modify it slightly so a respectable discussion can be had. However, the IBL posts disrupt this process. One example of a derailed thead is <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002472" target="_blank">here.</a> The mod who locked the thread commented that "this thread has moved away from being about...." This was due is part to the IBL posts. An example of an almost-derailed thread can be found <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002480" target="_blank">here.</a> While early on there were many IBL posts, a good discussion developed. The attempt of several users to second-guess the mods resulted in only a bunch of useless posts.

So what should we do about it? First, if anybody has any reasons that the IBL posts are good, I'd like to hear them. I think if a concensus is reached that IBL threads are bad, and this is advertised in the text at the top of the forums page, then the practice will stop. If this does not stop it, then perhaps the Posting Guidlines should be amended.

[ 09-20-2002: Message edited by: qazII ]</p>
post #2 of 38
I strongly agree with you that this "in before lock" nonsense needs to stop immediately.

I'd consider going so far as deleting said posts altogether. The offender should then receive a warning via PM and/or e-mail.

These "in before the lock" posts were kind-of funny when someone only did it every once in a while. Now, it's just ridiculous and, as you said, does undermine the authority of the moderators.

[ 09-20-2002: Message edited by: Brad ]</p>
post #3 of 38
Everything is a question of limit. The first in before the lock where funny and even some mods (caugh caugh ) participate. But recurrents jokes become boring , so it would be good to find new jokes and to do not let this way of behavioring becoming a sort of unofficial sport on AI .

And speaking of undermining mod authoritie, i suspect that for many members it's already an unofficial sport . But don't worry the squad mods and the mighties Admin are present
post #4 of 38
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
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And speaking of undermining mod authoritie, i suspect that for many members it's already an unofficial sport . But don't worry the squad mods and the mighties Admin are present </strong><hr></blockquote>

I think "Mod baiting" is a favourite pastime for many members, not me though.
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Brad, I'll be checking my PM shortly.
post #5 of 38
[quote]Originally posted by RodUK:
<strong>Brad, I'll be checking my PM shortly. </strong><hr></blockquote>Hey, as long as you aren't screwing up my forums (OSX and Software), then you're okay in my book...
post #6 of 38
[quote]Originally posted by Brad:
<strong>Hey, as long as you aren't screwing up my forums (OSX and Software), then you're okay in my book... </strong><hr></blockquote>



You're just no fun anymore. This mod baiting malarky simply isn't working. You put out your bait and wait patiently, only to have the rug pulled from beneath your feet.

post #7 of 38
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
<strong>And speaking of undermining mod authoritie, i suspect that for many members it's already an unofficial sport . But don't worry the squad mods and the mighties Admin are present </strong><hr></blockquote>*I* have always respected you, Powerdoc, even when you were still powerdoc

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[quote]Originally posted by The Installer:
<strong>*I* have always respected you, Powerdoc, even when you were still powerdoc

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What a great sens of observation you have TI : it's impressive

Ah i remember the good time when you where a mod
post #9 of 38
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
<strong>

What a great sens of observation you have TI : it's impressive

Ah i remember the good time when you where a mod </strong><hr></blockquote>a) it's part of my job

b) so do I, but things sure have changed since

c) bloody 'ell, I only just posted this, and there you are, right behind me. Scary . . . :eek:

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post #10 of 38
In before lock?
This thread definitely deserves some spunk. Anything to fill cyberspace.

post #11 of 38
Yes I suggest you lock up all threads with that line in them
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post #12 of 38
Back on topic again I fully agree, this "In Before Lock" stuff is really childish.

What purpose does it serve? None.

Who does it benefit? Nobody.

Who does it make look stupid? Everyone...

Can we also introduce some rules around the area of gay Spidermen?
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post #13 of 38
In Before Lock! hahaha...

Authority of the moderators? <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

It might be time to change my sig? And gay spiderman stays, that's one of the funniest things on the web.

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post #14 of 38
Matsu, I was kidding: Gay Spidey is the funniest thing I've seen in a good while on the web, but, you know, a little appropriateness?

I saw a message board disintegrate the other week because it turned into a Gay Superhero fest... ugly, very ugly...
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post #15 of 38
Agreed.


Henceforth, 'In before lock' posters are subject to a 1-day suspension of posting access.


I'm also going to fiddle with the censor filters.
post #16 of 38
testing...

in ****** lock

in ****** *** lock
post #17 of 38
Let's see if works?

In Before Lock!
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post #18 of 38
[quote]Originally posted by Matsu:
<strong>Let's see if works?

In Before Lock!</strong><hr></blockquote>

edit:

Needs a little work, iThink? For this thread at least, "In Before Lock" seems to be in context. Ooops, there I went and said it two more times, errm...
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post #19 of 38
Ooops,

I meant to edit but I replied to myself. Come to think of it, censoring the IBL would be pretty hilarious. Censor annoying terms but leave profanity in tact! Just to be different?
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post #20 of 38
Un ange passe ...
post #21 of 38
edit: messy melodramatics... blech.

What's there to think about?

[ 09-21-2002: Message edited by: Matsu ]</p>
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post #22 of 38
un deuxieme ange passe ...
post #23 of 38
I'm working on it.
post #24 of 38
In b4 lock?

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post #25 of 38
dans avant la serrure

Well, somebody had to do the obvious.
It might as well be me. <img src="graemlins/embarrassed.gif" border="0" alt="[Embarrassed]" />
post #26 of 38
[quote]Originally posted by qazII:
<strong>Recently, there has been an "in before lock" fad at AI. Basically, when someone starts a thread that people think will get locked, people try to add a comment saying "in before lock" or something similar before the thread gets locked by a mod. I think these comments are bad for several reasons.

1.They have no content. They add nothing to the thread. All they do is add to the poster's post count and possibly his/her ego count.

2.They are an attempt to usurp the authority of the moderators. The moderators are the ones who have been vested with the authority to lock threads. An attempt to basically lock a thread by popular consent is not appropriate. If you think threads should be locked by popular vote, then suggest it in this forum.

3.Most importantly, they can derail or almost derail a nascent discussion. Often, while the topic-starter's post is perhaps lock-worthy, other posters often modify it slightly so a respectable discussion can be had. However, the IBL posts disrupt this process. One example of a derailed thead is <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002472" target="_blank">here.</a> The mod who locked the thread commented that "this thread has moved away from being about...." This was due is part to the IBL posts. An example of an almost-derailed thread can be found <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002480" target="_blank">here.</a> While early on there were many IBL posts, a good discussion developed. The attempt of several users to second-guess the mods resulted in only a bunch of useless posts.

So what should we do about it? First, if anybody has any reasons that the IBL posts are good, I'd like to hear them. I think if a concensus is reached that IBL threads are bad, and this is advertised in the text at the top of the forums page, then the practice will stop. If this does not stop it, then perhaps the Posting Guidlines should be amended.

[ 09-20-2002: Message edited by: qazII ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yawn this is a total nonissue.

1. There is not need to add content as the content is in the "other" duplicate thread. Why expend the energy.

2. This in no way "ursurps" authority from the Moderators. There mere "assumption" that some make that a thread is "likely" to locked is not "usurping" anything. Now had they said "Lock this thread now!" then I would agree.

3. Typically the thread already exists or is already in default of the posting guidelines so locking is the appropriate thing.

Like all fads it will pass. There will always be differing views on what exactly is Off/On Topic. That's why we come to these boards. Not to think and respond monolithically but to hear different views and opinions.

As will any Guidelines the Posting Guidelines have enough language in them currently that making any necessary amendments is really not needed.
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post #27 of 38
Posted earlier than closed
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post #28 of 38
Jon, I was about to suggest messing with the censor to take out IBL nonsense but decided to read the entire thread anyway.

I don't like it either, but I have to admit to doing it once in a really retarded thread that I don't remember at all. Probably one of kittylitterdesign's rants.
post #29 of 38
So, whatever happened with this?

Overall I think it's kind of silly, but for those of us that aren't mods reading posts 12 hours a day, and whom have some semblance of a life outside of AI, it isn't that common. It's just a little bit of fun, and it doesn't "usurp" or "undermine" anything; that has to be the silliest thing I've heard today.

But oh well. Mods, censor away, if it makes you feel powerful. I think if we have to resort to nitpicking like this, we've got too many mods hanging around...
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post #30 of 38
<img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> What a pathetic web site. <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> "IBL" is some big "problem" to be "solved" <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

[ 10-20-2002: Message edited by: Scott ]</p>
post #31 of 38
No, "pathetic" is dragging up dead topics and slamming them. Can't be that much of a big deal to anyone if they haven't contributed to the thread in a month.
post #32 of 38
[quote]Originally posted by murbot:
<strong>No, "pathetic" is dragging up dead topics and slamming them. Can't be that much of a big deal to anyone if they haven't contributed to the thread in a month.</strong><hr></blockquote>

God? WTF do you care? Someone posts a reply. I ad my opinion. So what? Man! The moderators here ...... uh.
post #33 of 38
Quit trying to get attention Scott.

Seeing as how most of the posts in this thread are light-hearted, I'd say this is basically a non-issue.

[ 10-20-2002: Message edited by: murbot ]</p>
post #34 of 38
It is absolutely shocking that bradbower would drag this month-old topic up to gripe about it. And even more shocking that Scott would add his wonderful 2 cents.

How unbelievable. Like the Washington Generals actually LOSING to the Harlem Globetrotters. Wow, some things really are one in a million! :eek:
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post #35 of 38
[quote]Originally posted by murbot:
<strong>Quit trying to get attention Scott.

Seeing as how most of the posts in this thread are light-hearted, I'd say this is basically a non-issue.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

go to hell
post #36 of 38
[quote]Originally posted by Scott:
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go to hell</strong><hr></blockquote>

Does New Jersey count?

 

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post #37 of 38
The "in before lock" posts tend to keep a topic from falling off the front page the way it should when it's dead or duplicated. I would rather not have to explicitly lock every thread that doesn't go anywhere.

This isn't anywhere near serious enough to justify action in my opinion, but if you feel the urge to post a wry comment in a thread you think should die, remember that doing so will keep it alive and up at the top. We can clean up after you, but the forums are still littered until we get around to it; it's easier for everyone, and better for the forums, if threads that don't go anywhere fall off the front page as quickly as possible instead of competing with the active discussions.

Thanks.
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post #38 of 38
[quote]Originally posted by murbot:
<strong>No, "pathetic" is dragging up dead topics and slamming them. Can't be that much of a big deal to anyone if they haven't contributed to the thread in a month.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Feel I gotta speak up on bradbowers behalf. See, I spent 9 years of my childhood in Omahaha, and outside of drinking and smoking 'ditch weed' there ain't a whole lot to do. 'Cept may tip over sleeping cows (yes, it can be done...)

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