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So much weird stuff has happened in the last week, now this:
Apps crashing left and right. When they crash, my screen turns blue, then its back to normal, but no apps running of course. Kind of makes it hard to do... well, anything. I bought my computer 200 miles away, so its not liek I can march right in and have it looked at. The local Mac retailer are full of total jackasses. This is not going to be fun.
Why? Why me? I am soooooooooooooo disappointed in this computer's performance lately. I can't get anything done without something crashing.
What do I do now? It only a few days past a month since I bought it?
I'm fuming right now....... this is not good.
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post #2 of 41
Did you install third party RAM? Sometimes it breaks a ****s your machine up.

Have you tried repairing permissions?
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OMFG... I can't believe this. Tonight I open my iBook 800 to load some songs on my ipod before i work out and *BAM* my machine locks up. Fine I say, I manually shut it down and go work out. I come back and turn it on and the F***ING sceen starts flickering at the gray apple screen. I sh!t ya'll not and yes I have read the whole Fellowship thread to dealth and didn't think it was even worth my time to post anything in there. Now this has bitten me in the ass. I AM PISSED!

I take good care of my stuff. Never does this thing come in harms way and is always transported in my Targus laptop backpack. The damn thing is still under the one year warranty thank god.
post #4 of 41
FellowShip, how far did your ibook get before it would lock up? I can't get the damn thing to make it past the log on screen at best before it locks up and I can't do anything or the screen goes black.
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Originally posted by Kecksy
Did you install third party RAM? Sometimes it breaks a ****s your machine up.

Have you tried repairing permissions?

How/where? Sorry, new to the Mac stuff. How would I do this and where would I find it? I ran disk utility earlier today.
Yes, I installed 3rd party ram. How can I check to make sure its working?
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Have you tried booting up into single user mode?? This fixed my sister's iBook... she was doing a system update (to 10.2.4 i'd guess) and somehow it got botched. stuff started running really slow so she rebooted, but it booted up to a black screen. I tried booting to single user mode (read how on macosxhints.com or... if anyone here knows the keyboard shortcut...) it has something to do with holding "s" down on startup... but i'm not quite sure. Then you do a fsck fix of the disk.... and reboot from that. it worked like a charm. once you get it fixed up, if this works, make sure to verify permissions et al.
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Originally posted by sobelizzard
Have you tried booting up into single user mode?? This fixed my sister's iBook... she was doing a system update (to 10.2.4 i'd guess) and somehow it got botched. stuff started running really slow so she rebooted, but it booted up to a black screen. I tried booting to single user mode (read how on macosxhints.com or... if anyone here knows the keyboard shortcut...) it has something to do with holding "s" down on startup... but i'm not quite sure. Then you do a fsck fix of the disk.... and reboot from that. it worked like a charm. once you get it fixed up, if this works, make sure to verify permissions et al.

How do I verify permissions?
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post #8 of 41
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Originally posted by trebuchet
How do I verify permissions?

Being that I'm half paying attn and thought this was an April Fools joke at first, I wasn't going to reply. Assuming you are having trouble, use Disk Utility to Repair Permissions... go to Apps --> Utilities --> Disk Utilitiy, click on your HD , then click on the First Aid tab and either Verify or Repair Permissions based on what you want to do.
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post #9 of 41
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Originally posted by MCQ
Assuming you are having trouble, use Disk Utility to Repair Permissions... go to Apps --> Utilities --> Disk Utilitiy, click on your HD , then click on the First Aid tab and either Verify or Repair Permissions based on what you want to do.

I already did that earlier today. I just logged in under single user mode. Funny thing is, it didn't look like it was supposed to.
According to my book I have here, the last line should read: "localhost#". Mine did not. It read "sh -2.05a# fsck -y". I still ran the "fsck -y" and got the "disk appears to be ok" message.
This is confusing me. I've tried all these little fixes and my problems persist.

Why would you think this thread is a joke? I'm getting reall really pissed off about my computer here and now people think I'm joking. How I wish I was...
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post #10 of 41
My apologies... as I stated, I was half paying attn to the threads here, and I skimmed your post, saw something about a blue screen and immediately thought Windows, and considering this is April 1, well I hope you can figure out that I jumped the gun a little. Sorry about that, and I certainly hope that your iBook issues get resolved soon.

Edit: Did you try doing an archive-install of Jaguar again to see if maybe just some system files got messed up?
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post #11 of 41
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Originally posted by MCQ
My apologies... as I stated, I was half paying attn to the threads here, and I skimmed your post, saw something about a blue screen and immediately thought Windows, and considering this is April 1, well I hope you can figure out that I jumped the gun a little. Sorry about that, and I certainly hope that your iBook issues get resolved soon.

Edit: Did you try doing an archive-install of Jaguar again to see if maybe just some system files got messed up?

My bad as well. I'm in a crappy mood because of this. Thanks for your help and hints.
As for an archive-install, I looked in my Mac book once again and didn't see anything pertaining to this except in the "clean install" section. The confusing part of the instructions: It always refers to an OSX disc. I have 2. Do they always refer to it as a single disc to save time and space? I have Mac OSX Install Disc 1 and 2.
After all I've done today, would it help/hurt to run the Hardware Test disc?
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post #12 of 41
You could run the Hardware test disc, I don't know if it'd help any but it's worth a shot.

As far as the OS discs, I think they're referring to the first, as the second disc I think is language packs and printer drivers. To do an archive and install (which should keep/transfer things from your Application directory, and your home directory, as opposed to the clean install which does a reformat first I believe), put in your OS X disc 1, reboot and hold down the 'C' key to have it boot off the CD, and go through the install process, choosing the Archive and Install option.
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post #13 of 41
I hope you get yours back soon and not scratched

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post #14 of 41
well crap, if you installed some other RAM, pull it out.

then see if it boots.

high, high probability this is the problem.

also, sending to the GB.
post #15 of 41
My friend had pretty much the same problems. It gets worse every day and finally the machine wont start at all. It was the logic board. I hope you are still under warranty.

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post #16 of 41
oh, see my link in the other thread about the huge amount of bad capacitors on the market right now. interesting story.

basically a whole pile of companies thought they were buying legit capacitors, but they were using a stolen formula that leaks and screws up MB's.

it's hosing all storts of manufacturers.
post #17 of 41
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Originally posted by Snowster
My friend had pretty much the same problems. It gets worse every day and finally the machine wont start at all. It was the logic board. I hope you are still under warranty.

- Snowster

Yeah, I'm still way under warranty. My machine was a month old on the 1st. I just tried to wake up my iBook from sleep... it didn't and I had to restart. Then the ? folder appeared during start up and it took a long time to boot up. I'm searching my Missing Manual book to try to find the fix to keep the folder icon from showing up at start up.
I also emailed the retailer I bought my iBook from, explaining in detail the problems I have had. Thursday, I only have one class at college. I am taking that time to back up all of my files. I have a feeling this isn't going to fix itself.
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post #18 of 41
sounds like it was a problem with the ram...but maybe not

not sure if ram can mess up diff parts of the MB if its not compatible, but at least its underwarrenty
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post #19 of 41
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I guess I could take out my ram tonight and see what happens. I'm just curious as to why you guys think it might be the ram. I want to understand as much as I can before I do anything more really.
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post #20 of 41
well, it would be bad ram for a few reasons.

1. ram is the only new thing added to the system

2. ram is the only thing you can really add yourself anyway

3. ram that goes bad breaks shit big time. all sorts of things get FUBAR if you have bad ram in there, and it's tough to nail down.

so

best thing to do is take the ram out and see if it works. it might be the problem, but i'm starting to wonder if Apple isn't using those leaky capacitors in their laptops that i've been reading about. that would explain why it's one or two batches that seem to have all the problems, while the others are just peachy.
post #21 of 41
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Originally posted by trebuchet
I guess I could take out my ram tonight and see what happens. I'm just curious as to why you guys think it might be the ram.

RAM, and also consumer HDDs, are not always made under the most rigorous tolerances. Cheap RAM is something of a crapshoot because it's that much more likely to be defective. A lot of what the "premium" brands are charging you for is lower production efficiency because they're rejecting more of the stuff that comes off their lines.

Just to make things more interesting, OS X has an extremely low tolerance for bad RAM. In order to get the best possible performance, it expects RAM to work perfectly. That being the case, a single flaky module can send it into convulsions easily. Since a lot of people buy cheap RAM, bad RAM is an early suspect in any random crashing and flakiness. (Premium RAM is not immune, of course: I've read maybe three stories total of bad RAM from Crucial and even Apple itself over the last couple of years. But the odds that premium RAM will be defective are a lot lower.)

Try it. See if it helps. If so, see if you can exchange the defective part for a replacement.
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post #22 of 41
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Thanks all for the info and advice. Much appreciated. The ram does have a lifetime guarantee. I have to leave it our for a few days to determine if its the culprit. The quirks of my iBook are so random, its not like I can pop the ram out and know immediately. I am still going to prepare myself for either having to return the machine to the retailer or sending it to Apple. It'll be File Back-up Thursday tomorrow night!
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post #23 of 41
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Okay, took out the ram and am going to monitor my computer for a few days and see what happens.
The slowness of my computer is killing me now. Ram is soooooooooo damn essential. Dropping 512 off of your ram is a killer. I don't dare open more than 2 apps at once.
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post #24 of 41
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I know I've been ranting in here a lot, but here is an update:
Left computer alone for a while and the display went to sleep while running 3 apps. Tried to wake it up and it took about 4 minutes to wake up. When it did, no apps running. I got about 2 minutes of a blank grey screen followed by a minute or more of a blank blue screen, then by my desktop being frozen for a minute. Safari froze and then crashed on me shortly after that.
I have not heard back from the gentleman at the store I bought this from. Chances are, he may have the day off, so I'm being patient.
So far, this is not looking good. I'm curious to see if it awakes from sleep tomorrow morning.
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post #25 of 41
4 minutes to wake up from sleep? Wow a good number of humans don't even take that long to wake up and get out of bed. Hope that gets fixed soon.
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post #26 of 41
yeah, i'd say something is seriously wrong with your machine then, something beyond RAM.

you install the 10.2.4 update on your machine right before all the weirdness started?

that caused a few problems (understatement of the year) on my laptop.

you could try going and doing an archive install and update it to 10.2.3 instead of 10.2.4.

that's what i just did, it seems to be working so far. fixed quite a few problems i was having with 2.4
post #27 of 41
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Originally posted by alcimedes
yeah, i'd say something is seriously wrong with your machine then, something beyond RAM.

you install the 10.2.4 update on your machine right before all the weirdness started?

that caused a few problems (understatement of the year) on my laptop.

you could try going and doing an archive install and update it to 10.2.3 instead of 10.2.4.

that's what i just did, it seems to be working so far. fixed quite a few problems i was having with 2.4

Hmmm... might have to try that. As for the update screwing me up, I don't know. I think I updated my iBook the day I bought it.
So, boot from disc, install and choose archive install?
Just curious, how long does this take? Hour? Less? More?
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took me 45 min. i think.
post #29 of 41
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took me 45 min. i think.

Thats not bad at all. I may have to try that tonight.
Then I'll watch it and reinstall ram and go from there.
Thanks again for the info.
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post #30 of 41
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Ahem... reinstalled OSX. Ran fine. Changed a few preferences, but nothing to worry about. I got them fixed. Ran it without the ram in. Shut down fine, started up fast and woke up from sleep fine.
Today, put the ram in. Same as above. Behaved well. No problems.
But then I tird to wake it from a sleep... kernel panic. Now I'm confused.
Everything is so random (at least to me). I don't know what to do.
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post #31 of 41
i'd recommend running it w/o that RAM chip for 5 days at least. then run it w/the ram chip in for 5 days. keep track of when it crashed and what was going on.

ram problems are a nightmare to track down.
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Originally posted by alcimedes
i'd recommend running it w/o that RAM chip for 5 days at least. then run it w/the ram chip in for 5 days. keep track of when it crashed and what was going on.

ram problems are a nightmare to track down.

Noted. Will do. I had a feeling that nailing down a ram malfunction might be more difficult than a 36 hour test.
It'll make for a slow computer over the weekend. Oh well, I needed to get out anyway.
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post #33 of 41
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Update: Its the ram, not my computer. I'm sending it back under warranty (the ram that is). I'll try one more stick from them and if it messes up my computer, I'll demand a refund and get quality ram elsewhere.
Wowzers. What a nightmare. At least I have an idea of what to look for if the second stick of ram goes bad.
My computer has been running perfectly normal, except a bit slower. I don't dare open Photoshop or Illustrator on 128 ram... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...
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post #34 of 41
cool, glad to hear you tracked it all down nicely.

post #35 of 41
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Guess what? The ram has been out of the machine for over a week and my problems have returned. Not only are apps crashing left and right again, now my computer is very, very slow. The hard drive spins for what seems like minutes opening everything from Mail, iPhoto, Safari, IE, etc... It sometimes takes the dock 5 seconds to pop up. The spinning beach ball of doom has been a constant reminder of how slow this thing is. I am calling the store I bought it from tomorrow to see what I can do. This is highly unacceptable.
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post #36 of 41
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Originally posted by trebuchet
Guess what? The ram has been out of the machine for over a week and my problems have returned. Not only are apps crashing left and right again, now my computer is very, very slow. The hard drive spins for what seems like minutes opening everything from Mail, iPhoto, Safari, IE, etc... It sometimes takes the dock 5 seconds to pop up. The spinning beach ball of doom has been a constant reminder of how slow this thing is. I am calling the store I bought it from tomorrow to see what I can do. This is highly unacceptable.

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Have you tried repairing permissions recently ?

How is that done again? I'm willing to try anyhting right now.
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How is that done again? I'm willing to try anyhting right now.

Startup from OS X disc (hold C key on keyboard during startup with disc in).

Once first installer screen comes up, go to App (Installer) Menu and select Disk Utility.

When it opens, select your OS X drive partition, and click the First Aid tab.

Under First Aid, select Repair Permissions.


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This MIGHT fix some leftover corruption on your OS X installation. If not, I'd reformat the drive (use OS 9 disc to startup since Drive Setup allows you to Zero Data when formatting) and start completely fresh, before giving up.
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This is a new one. I take a pic and attempt to load it on my computer. At the time, my computer is running Safari (one window), iTunes (ripping a disc at 1.5x... smokin') and thats it. I hook up the camera to an open USB and... A BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH! Aarrgh! It stays blue for 30 seconds, goes back to my desktop picture with no apps running. Yep, killed the apps running and even the camera wasn't showing up as hooked up. I've uploaded from this camera numerous times. The hard drive spins and spins opening the apps up. iPhoto takes up to a minute to start up with no other apps running. Then while dragging a photo into it, I get the whirling beach ball of death. That takes another minute.
This bunk computer shit is getting old.
This is after a complete reformat by the way. I am once again calling Apple and the store I bought it from. This is utterly ridiculous.
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post #40 of 41
the problems i get to fix all day long have the following causes:

#1 user (doing things they shouldn't)
#2 applications (gone bad or not working properly (mostly because of #1))
#3 ram
#4 operating system (gone bad (mostly because of #1))
#5 mac just f**ked up (apple service tech: "i don't know! change the logic board!")

85% software
15% hardware

and when customers come to me it's allways: "the hardware! i think it's the main board or something".

sorry. but i had a terrible day!
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