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post #161 of 253
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Originally posted by jante99
The question is whether Indie labels will be made available on the service. If not plenty of great bands will not be listed and thus I would be relunctant to use the service.

For this thing to be successful, as you point out, music that you cannot find online right now must be available.

total agreement here. i follow a few small bands who have somee great albums in new orleans and canada, but haven't really been signed to a major record label. hell, one of the bands has asked me to get their songs out there, even if it's for free, just to get people to listen to them. maybe they are an unique circumstance, and we're also using web channels and their site to get them downloaded, so there are options. i just hope there's still some room for the smaller people at the table, too.
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post #162 of 253
I was curious. Let's say that each song costs $0.99. Will Apple charge your card 99 cents every time you buy a song? Wouldn't that get expensive for them?

Or will they wait and charge you until the end of the month, in which case you'd have to get "credit" by giving them a credit card when you create your account? I'm guessing that this is how it'll work.
post #163 of 253
Or how about 200 songs for $150... and a single song is 99 cents... buy it in bulk! Why not!?

EDIT: Actually, 200 for 50 sounds better to me... I mean, come on, they shouldnt over - charge for this.
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post #164 of 253
Apple can work out Micropayment levels with the CC companies, so that a 99 cent charge might only cost Apple a few pennies, or even less if Apple does the pre-processing and just transmits a database file to Visa/MC/Amex at the end of the day.

I do believe that .Mac members will get some songs/premium access as part of the .Mac service.
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post #165 of 253
everybody in the Mac-world, as well as outside, is on red-alert for this thing... it is going to be the biggest thing since sliced bread, which replaced windows, which conquered the wheel, which paraded over shelter

you get the idea... things in many newpapers/newsmagazines... expect TIME...

wait a second....

maybe apple is giving TIME a sneak peek again? and that is why they moved it to monday, instead of their normal tuesday releases?
post #166 of 253
USAToday.com has an interesting article on the future music service:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/webguid...le-music_x.htm

One interesting quote:

Quote:
Wolpert argues that for all the expected hype from Apple chief Steve Jobs about the convenience of buying single tunes, "on Rhapsody you get unlimited songs for $9.95. So if you found 50 songs to listen to, it would cost $9.95. On the Apple service, that 50 would be $50. That could be a problem."

Wolpert works for Real Networks.
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post #167 of 253
What Wolpert doesn't say is that his service is streaming only. If you want to then go ahead and burn those songs, you'll pay $0.99 per song to be burned. So you'll pay $59.45 for those same 50 songs -> (0.99 x 50) + 9.95

Apple wins.
post #168 of 253
Quote:
Originally posted by David R
What Wolpert doesn't say is that his service is streaming only. If you want to then go ahead and burn those songs, you'll pay $0.99 per song to be burned. So you'll pay $59.45 for those same 50 songs -> (0.99 x 50) + 9.95

Apple wins.

Yeah, that's an important distinction. You can bet Jobs will mention it.
post #169 of 253
Info from Billboard magazine:

Quote:
Content can also be burned to CD. Credit-card information is stored on file in the store's shopping-cart system so the consumer does not have to re-enter the information for each purchase. The offering is expected to be made available initially only to users of Apple computers.

As part of its announcement, Apple is expected to unveil content-licensing deals with all five major labels. The Apple service is also expected to feature music from high-profile acts whose repertoire has not previously been available for digital distribution.

For details, see the May 3 issue of Billboard, the content of which will be posted after 3 p.m. ET today (April 25) in the Premium Services section of Billboard.com.

Is anyone from AI Billboard member there to get the details as mentioned above ? Please, please....

http://www.billboard.com/bb/daily/ar...ent_id=1874807
post #170 of 253
Quote:
Originally posted by David R
What Wolpert doesn't say is that his service is streaming only. If you want to then go ahead and burn those songs, you'll pay $0.99 per song to be burned. So you'll pay $59.45 for those same 50 songs -> (0.99 x 50) + 9.95

Apple wins.

Damn, I'd rather spend that $10 a month for XM radio if you can't burn them because you'd get a hell of a lot more then 50 songs.
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post #171 of 253
Someone posted at macrumors via Wall Street Journal that it's .99¢ per song and $10 a CD and have big names that would normally not do this. The songs are playable on 3 macs and can't be loaded onto an iPod then taken to another computer or something.

Find, but can they be burned? If so, why can't I burn the CD and rip it on another machine? Or are these iPod/iTunes only files?
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post #172 of 253
Quote:
Originally posted by KidRed
Someone posted at macrumors via Wall Street Journal that it's .99¢ per song and $10 a CD and have big names that would normally not do this. The songs are playable on 3 macs and can't be loaded onto an iPod then taken to another computer or something.

Find, but can they be burned? If so, why can't I burn the CD and rip it on another machine? Or are these iPod/iTunes only files?

They're AAC files with some sort of copy protection. I seem to recall that you'd have the option of "ripping" them to MP3 and burning CDs from there, but the industry might have had a cow at that thought, even given MP3's worse compression and lower quality.

All I can say is: 1) They'd better offer more than the current acts published by the big five, and 2) there'd better be some way to get those songs onto a CD. I will be able to play songs that I've paid for in my car, or Steve gets no sale.
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post #173 of 253
from Billboard:
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Label sources tell Bulletin that the service is an a la carte download store -- not unlike that of rival Liquid Audio -- that is built into Apple's iTunes player. No subscription is required for the service, and tracks are expected to retail for an average of 99 cents. Once purchased, tracks are transferred to the consumer's iTunes music library and are automatically synched to the user's iPod portable player.

Content can also be burned to CD. Credit-card information is stored on file in the store's shopping-cart system so the consumer does not have to re-enter the information for each purchase. The offering is expected to be made available initially only to users of Apple computers.

As part of its announcement, Apple is expected to unveil content-licensing deals with all five major labels. The Apple service is also expected to feature music from high-profile acts whose repertoire has not previously been available for digital distribution.
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post #174 of 253
So if can be burned, where's the protection? The actual file is protected but can be ripped and burned later. I guess the fact that they are getting you to pay a buck per song that has a few limits and you can't post it broadly to a p2p network because of the 3 machine limit makes it appealing to the execs. Ripping a CD from paid ACC songs is no worse then ripping a store bought CD I guess. That's cool. We get to be bad only after we've ben good. That's a comprimise I can handle.
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post #175 of 253
Quote:
Originally posted by Amorph
All I can say is: 1) They'd better offer more than the current acts published by the big five, and 2) there'd better be some way to get those songs onto a CD. I will be able to play songs that I've paid for in my car, or Steve gets no sale.

Precisely. Oh, how I hope some small labels can find a way to get into the act. Most of what I listen to isn't produced by the major labels: Metropolis, Nettwerk, Subconcious, Zoth Ommog, etc., though some of that stuff is distributed via the big 5. And back catalogs are really important to me too, but I willing to be more patient with that.
post #176 of 253
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Originally posted by BuonRotto
Precisely. Oh, how I hope some small labels can find a way to get into the act. Most of what I listen to isn't produced by the major labels: Metropolis, Nettwerk, Subconcious, Zoth Ommog, etc., though some of that stuff is distributed via the big 5.

Speaking as an independent artist, part of me is hoping that not only labels can join the party. The labels might not like getting bypassed, though.

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And back catalogs are really important to me too, but I willing to be more patient with that.

EMI just forced that issue by offering their back catalog for download, so I actually don't think that'll be a problem.

EMI has a heck of a back catalog.
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Becca Sutlive - Iowa Fried Rock 'n Roll - now on iTMS!
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Becca Sutlive - Iowa Fried Rock 'n Roll - now on iTMS!
post #177 of 253
2 things worry me about this...

1. That I won't be able to burn a cd. (won't talk about it, been discussed extensively)

2. That the mp3s (or AAC whatever) will not be up to par quality wise with what i like to listen to...

I hate listening to 128 bit mp3. I want to be able to get AT LEAST 192 bit quality... I would even like the option of 256 or 320 quality, but if 192 happens, i'll be totally ok with it..

So, anyone have any thoughts on the sound quality that apple is going to bring?
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post #178 of 253
Supposedly you can burn to CD and ACC is near CD quality and much better then MP3s. Maybe more knowlefgable audiophiles can elaborate on ACC.
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post #179 of 253
Just FYI, it's AAC. Advanced Audio Codec. It's billed as CD quality or better.
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post #180 of 253
hehe, I keep getting that confused, thanks. AAC. And it is better the CD quality? Wow, I can't wait to hear some songs then.
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post #181 of 253
Quote:
Originally posted by Amorph
Just FYI, it's AAC. Advanced Audio Codec. It's billed as CD quality or better.

I don't think it's billed as better.

How can it be better than the source when you encode an AAC file from a CD?
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post #182 of 253
For all the hoohaa about this, it better be available to the 49% of the Apple user base outside of the USA.
There is no Mac compatible* on line music service in Europe (UK).

*
There are a few services operated by the major's but they all use Windows media player files that don't play on the Mac.
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post #183 of 253
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Originally posted by JLL
I don't think it's billed as better.

How can it be better than the source when you encode an AAC file from a CD?

It does not have to be encoded from CD quality files, but from master tapes, etc...

And, guys think, if you are unable to burn it on CD not many people would be interested, i'm sure stevie knows what he's doing... (i hope)


We'll see.
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post #184 of 253
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Originally posted by Amorph
Just FYI, it's AAC. Advanced Audio Codec. It's billed as CD quality or better.

No. It may be billed as CD quality or better, but it really isn't. Compression of music will always make some sort castration of music, and small nuances and micro details will be lost in the music. High frequenzies are also cut of, making music sound a "dull". This is not much of a problem with most computer- or stereo equipement, but is becoms quite evident when you listen over real Hi-Fi systems. Sound quality also depends on the quality of the DAC that is being used. Cheap sound systems and computer equipment often have inexpensive integreted sound solutions that really can't compete in sound quality, not even with 200-300 $ CD-players.
If you are going to burn audio CDs there's another problem. You have to make sure that the compressed file is 16 bits and has a 44.1 khz sampling rate. Differences between source and target can often lead to poor audio results, something that professional studios are very aware of.
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post #185 of 253
everybody seems to be getting very excited about this new service that I think we're missing something here.. realistically, while it will be a new revenue stream for Apple, how much can they expect to make in actual profits from this.. Hypothetically, if they sold 100 songs to 1 million users, that's a hundred million bucks, half of which I'm sure must go to the labels.. so, Apple grosses 50 mil minus expenses, so figure about 40 mil or so.. not exactly chump change, but not breaking the bank..

I think there's more.. What if Apple opened up their storage servers to other companies or the labels themselves.. Why do we need so many different companies storing the music on their servers?? Seems like a waste.. So, if Apple would allow other companies access to their storage whether it be the labels themselves or other download services, they could expand their market greatly.. They could even offer a webobjects front end "music store" to each and every label that wants to offer their content over the internet, while hosting the files themselves and making a cut on each sale.. By doing this, while Mac users will have iTunes, all computer users could contribute to the bottom line..

Let's hope that they've learned from the iPod that money is to be made by ALL computer users, not just their own.. Guess we'll see on monday...
post #186 of 253
given the fact that there is an ipod for windows.............
post #187 of 253
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Originally posted by Mediaman
For all the hoohaa about this, it better be available to the 49% of the Apple user base outside of the USA.
There is no Mac compatible* on line music service in Europe (UK).

*
There are a few services operated by the major's but they all use Windows media player files that don't play on the Mac.

on a side issue i noticed in an apple store news email today that UK users have finally got .mac (we had to buy via the US site before).

maybe this service is going to offer a little something extra to .mac subscribers?

also notice the way apple bought the .mac and apple store user names in-line recently...
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post #188 of 253
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Originally posted by othello
on a side issue i noticed in an apple store news email today that UK users have finally got .mac (we had to buy via the US site before).

Which is irritating since it costs more now because of VAT.


Quote:
Originally posted by othello
also notice the way apple bought the .mac and apple store user names in-line recently...

They're just consolidating user databases.
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post #189 of 253
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Originally posted by JLL
I don't think it's billed as better.

How can it be better than the source when you encode an AAC file from a CD?


96Kpbs AAC= 128Kbps MP3
EDIT:: http://www.apple.com/mpeg4/aac/


so, you save space... i mean, for most people, 128 is good enough, it is really really close to non-audio geeks

The Files Downloaded will have attachted information to them, such as credit card information(? that would be bahd, as all could probably be open as text files.....) and there will probably be a way to stop piracy.... "keep honest people honest" is mention in the WSJ article, which I think will work, I mean, that is the utopian hope and it can work, it really can, I hope

.mac users will get some free stuff (why do you think they consolidated the Apple ID and .Mac account together? hmmmm>?????? ))))
post #190 of 253
CNBC ran an ad that they will be interviewing Steve Jobs on Monday (April 28th) at 5pm ET.
post #191 of 253
cool thank. i'm going to tivo it.
post #192 of 253
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Originally posted by Nebagakid
96Kpbs AAC= 128Kbps MP3
EDIT:: http://www.apple.com/mpeg4/aac/

He said billed as better than CD - not MP3s.
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post #193 of 253
Quote:
Originally posted by JLL
I don't think it's billed as better.

How can it be better than the source when you encode an AAC file from a CD?

Unless things have changed I believe they create CDs from DAT tapes. So a CD is not the master copy or the highest quality. So it should be possible to create a file equal or better then CD.
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post #194 of 253
I still want to know why they pulled the press release with the Satellite info....
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post #195 of 253
The Press Release is still available at the PRNewswire website. It doesn't seem to have been on the Apple site very long, perhaps because they decided not to stream it via Quicktime. You can see it at your nearest Apple Store, but should check to make sure. Perhaps Tech TV will show it either live or delayed.
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post #196 of 253
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Originally posted by mavster
everybody seems to be getting very excited about this new service that I think we're missing something here.. realistically, while it will be a new revenue stream for Apple, how much can they expect to make in actual profits from this.. Hypothetically, if they sold 100 songs to 1 million users, that's a hundred million bucks, half of which I'm sure must go to the labels.. so, Apple grosses 50 mil minus expenses, so figure about 40 mil or so.. not exactly chump change, but not breaking the bank..

I think there's more..

My guess is they will keep it Mac-only for 3 to 6 months. This gives them time to work out the kinks with a smaller audience and with more reliable hardware and software. It also gives them cache to owning a Mac and gives people more reason to drop by an Apple Store and check out this new service. Then they will offer the service to windows users.

I agree with the financials. However if you figure in added hardware sales (hard to forecast) and later sales to windows users it becomes more attractive.

Suppose that six months from now they sell 10 songs per month to 10 million people that is about $1Billion per year. Probably optimistic but very attractive as a target.

One thing about this is that it is similar to the way the world was before the iPod came along. There were other players around but none really good. There are other download services around now but none good. The fly in the ointment is the free downloading going on.

One more thing to consider, this is the opening shot, not the end game.
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post #197 of 253
I'm not sure how much copy protection apple will employ with this service but I think one way they'll hamper piracy is by sticking every file you download with your digital signature, which will likely include your CC information. Chances are that clever computer nerds with access to your files could glean your CC information from it but so could apple if they happened to pull the file from P2P networks. Perhaps this is how they plan on keeping people honest. This way Apple could easily figure out which users were downloading from iTunes then popping them on file sharing networks-and if that wasn't enough of a deterrent, the fact the your information could be available to anyone who downloaded your file would probably deter the rest of the file sharing mooks out there.
post #198 of 253
Apple won't include financial info in the signature.

They'd be out of business in a week - not only would every lawyer in the country sign up for the service just to sue them, but most judges would shut down the service via injunction if requested.

While Apple might include a string to ID the purchaser from Apple's records, they will not include info that would name or identify the purchaser directly: too much legal hell involved.

Odds are that the DRM will me much simpler than that.
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post #199 of 253
I doubt that you CC info wil be embeded in a file. I would probably not buy any songs if that was the case. If they are going to embed anything in the file, it'll probably be some Apple-generated identified that will point to you as the owner of the file.
post #200 of 253
one more point I wanted to bring up...

what about data loss? I've had hard drive issues that cause data loss before, do you think if that happens you're just out of luck? or do you think Apple will store records of what you've gotten so for like a very minimal fee you can recover your catalog?

just thinking...
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