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post #41 of 253
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Originally posted by monkeyastronaut
No... it can't be 99 cents. Say, if a typical CD costs 15 USD, and you'll buy 14 songs off the disc for 99 cents each, then you might a well buy the CD at a store and you get nice packaging with it. It has to be something like 60 cents per song, or 6.99 USD for a whole CD.

It'd be a steal for classical music-listening folks: imagine getting, say, a Furtwangler performance of a Beethoven symphony for only $4. That's Naxos label territory! (Granted, many classical music listeners would want CD-quality sound, not lossy MP3 or MPEG4; however, some classic performances are hard to come by these days...)

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post #42 of 253
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Originally posted by LudwigVan
It'd be a steal for classical music-listening folks: imagine getting, say, a Furtwangler performance of a Beethoven symphony for only $4. That's Naxos label territory! (Granted, many classical music listeners would want CD-quality sound, not lossy MP3 or MPEG4; however, some classic performances are hard to come by these days...)

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There will be different categories of prize, like in the book edition.
BTW you are right, i won't buy crappy MP3 music for listening classical music.
post #43 of 253
Well you're right guys. Maybe 99 cents per song is the right price. You could use it to buy the best singles from artists you wouldn't bother too much to get the whole CD. Maybe they can even offer oldies for a discount, or last year's hits at a reduced price.
post #44 of 253
Sometimes I have to chuckle when I see people post that Apple will release like 4 or 5 new/updated products all on the same day, like iPod, Music service, PowerBook, iBook, etc... Maybe my memory is a little hazy, but when does Apple ever update more than one product at a time (maybe two at a time), on the same day/week, other than at MW? I know things change and it could happen, but I HIGHLY DOUBT it.
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post #45 of 253
Quote:
Originally posted by monkeyastronaut
No... it can't be 99 cents. Say, if a typical CD costs 15 USD, and you'll buy 14 songs off the disc for 99 cents each, then you might a well buy the CD at a store and you get nice packaging with it. It has to be something like 60 cents per song, or 6.99 USD for a whole CD.

99 cents isn't bad. I've bought way too many CDs with 1 to 3 good songs and rest were mediocre or garbage. By buying each song separately, I can pay for the ones I want and don't have to buy the ones I don't. If this type of service became the major means of distributing music, then music artists could spend less time making filler music to fill a CD and concentrate on music that is something. Music artists could release songs individually when they are made rather than save them in some cases for years to get enough music to fill a CD.
post #46 of 253
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Originally posted by monkeyastronaut
No... it can't be 99 cents. Say, if a typical CD costs 15 USD, and you'll buy 14 songs off the disc for 99 cents each, then you might a well buy the CD at a store and you get nice packaging with it. It has to be something like 60 cents per song, or 6.99 USD for a whole CD.

99 cents per song is fine, especially if you get a "bulk discount" by buying the entire CD. For a lot of CDs, the option to buy only a handful of songs will be quite attractive.

My main concern is that the artists' royalties improve over the current system. Since the big labels are involved, I imagine that they're working overtime to make sure that they still get the overwhelming majority of the income, and dribble the same number of crumbs to the artists.
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post #47 of 253
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Originally posted by Amorph
My main concern is that the artists' royalties improve over the current system. Since the big labels are involved, I imagine that they're working overtime to make sure that they still get the overwhelming majority of the income, and dribble the same number of crumbs to the artists.

Quite true. Perhaps in the future, artists can bypass the record companies altogether, the way Stephen King did with his ebook releases.
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post #48 of 253
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Originally posted by Geddoe
99 cents isn't bad. I've bought way too many CDs with 1 to 3 good songs and rest were mediocre or garbage. By buying each song separately, I can pay for the ones I want and don't have to buy the ones I don't. If this type of service became the major means of distributing music, then music artists could spend less time making filler music to fill a CD and concentrate on music that is something. Music artists could release songs individually when they are made rather than save them in some cases for years to get enough music to fill a CD.

But how would you know song #13 is a good song if it hasn't been released? I really don't see people buying whole CDs this way because it would possibly be cheaper jsut to buy the damn thing from a store. This is for those would want to have this song, then that song and oh, yea, I like that song to.

Imagine when we recorded to tape from the radio. That's what I see happening, inwhich .99¢ a single isn't bad because it's a couple bucks in the store. If you bought all the singles in a store it would be more then $20 for a CD.
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post #49 of 253
If Apple buys Universal... You'll have different levels of access priced according to quantity AND quality.

Free: Everyone will have access to the entire Universal Music collection over the internet... the catch is that the sound will be mono and the sample rate below 22 bits. You like it? You buy up to 256 bit version for $.99 for songs 5 minutes or less. Volume discounts apply.

Member: For $29.99 yearly, you get unlimited access to the entire Univesal Collection... sound quality is stereo and the sample rate 44 bits. You like it? You buy up to 256 bit version for $.88 for songs 6 minutes or less. Volume discounts apply.

"Gold Member": For 59.99, yearly, you get access to the entire Univesal Collection... sound quality is stereo and the sample rate 92 bits. You like it? You buy it for $.77 for songs 7 minutes or less. Volume discounts apply.


The critical point here is that you'll always be able to hear a Universal release for FREE before you buy it. The catch is that the quality will be degraded to that point where the song sounds good enough to communicate the lyrics, beat and melody but bad enough to leave you jonesin' for the high-bit version.
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post #50 of 253
Hmm, delicious! The Radio section in iTunes would have "Apple Universal" wares first on the list.

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post #51 of 253
Interstingly, the Canadian Apple store now lists both the iBooks and eMacs as being available in 30 days. The U.S. Apple store stills show immediate or near-immediate availability, but I think this is nevertheless another hint that a release of updated hardware is getting close.
post #52 of 253
Now, now, children...let's not get carried away on a Quark tangent... Well, party's over for the Universal/ Apple deal: Apple released a satement that these rumors were NOT true. However, this does not totally rule out the AppleMusic possibility.
post #53 of 253
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Originally posted by Placebo
D Well, party's over for the Universal/ Apple deal: Apple released a satement that these rumors were NOT true.

Correction. Apple released a statement that said they had not made an offer for Universal. That does not mean they aren't thinking about it.
"Spec" is short for "specification" not "speculation".
"Spec" is short for "specification" not "speculation".
post #54 of 253
I stand corrected.
post #55 of 253
**Confirmed**

(Always wanted to do that)

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/...21/appleevent/
"Spec" is short for "specification" not "speculation".
"Spec" is short for "specification" not "speculation".
post #56 of 253
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Originally posted by Tomb of the Unknown
**Confirmed**

I hate it when people get rumors right. It makes me lose faith in the Religion of Wild-Ass Guessing.
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post #57 of 253
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by DHagan4755
I was saying around the 19th or maybe even next Monday is when they'd announce a SPECIAL EVENT for the 28th/29th when they'd announce all the new stuff.

Geez, I didn't expect to be this right. Pretty good since I called it by starting this thread back on April 5th. But I used sheer "Apple logic" to deduce that this was going to happen.
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post #58 of 253
Thread Starter 
... Time now for more "Apple Logic" ...

If Apple does not update the 15-inch PowerBook on Monday, April 28th, it greatly improves the chances of a PowerBook with a PPC970 at the WWDC in June.
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post #59 of 253
Apple event with 'announcements that will be music to your ears'

April 21 - 09:06 EDT__ In an invitation sent out today, Apple announced that it will be holding a special event in San Francisco on Monday, April 28, 2003. The invitation was not specific on what the company would announce at the event, but it did say that Apple will have "announcements that will be music to your ears," according to MacCentral. As you may recall, recent speculation has centered around Apple's plans to launch a digital music service, reports that the company will acquire Universal Music, as well as rumored iPod updates.

Also, Think Secret reports that on May 2 (Friday) Apple Stores will be featuring a new product starting at 6 PM! Go here:

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/may2.html
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post #60 of 253
Apple event with 'announcements that will be music to your ears'
April 21 - 09:06 EDT__ In an invitation sent out today, Apple announced that it will be holding a special event in San Francisco on Monday, April 28, 2003. The invitation was not specific on what the company would announce at the event, but it did say that Apple will have "announcements that will be music to your ears," according to MacCentral. As you may recall, recent speculation has centered around Apple's plans to launch a digital music service, reports that the company will acquire Universal Music, as well as rumored iPod updates.
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post #61 of 253
Please check your subject title again
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post #62 of 253
Yeah, and someone should delete the thread, as there is already and old one about 28th.
post #63 of 253
Oops, s/b APRIL

I started a new thread because the other one was getting long in the tooth.

Mods pleased fix or delete.
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post #64 of 253
Got a week to get some APPL, I wonder if there's still hope for the Vivendi deal, if it happened and this is the roll out party.

Can we look for APPL to plummet in the next week?
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post #65 of 253
For what it's worth, MacsRGood4U can keep the word "CONFIRMED" in his title: MacCentral just broke the news this morning:

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/...21/appleevent/
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post #66 of 253
Here are my predictions.


music downlaod:

0,99$ per song.

10% ona full CD.

Possibility to create your own CD mix (you choose the song) ship to your home with a personnalize labels on the case and the CD itself as with the Photo album.

You can burn from a Mac to a CD or transfert to your iPod. The file is digitally mark with your email so that they can track it if you let people copy it. SO multiple copy for you but your name is on it.

If you are a .mac member you can put your image on the jewel case and CD.

Available for PC at the same price except for the cd mix part using the same software that the PC ipod is using or a joint venture with all 5 majors to offer the service to the PC part of the world by way of a web service .

New iPod with USB 2 (for those using PC), craddle, better pricing ratio per gig.

No Universal deal.
post #67 of 253
Besides buying songs for $.99, I would like to see a service where you pay a monthly fee to have access to the five labels' back catalog (streaming only).
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post #68 of 253
Could you imagine if apple had all the major recording labels on this, personal CD's, downloads for $.99, and PC compatibility, and some type of copy protection/tracking stuff.

They would hold the recording industry by a leash! Everyone else would surrender- all those other crappy music services that don't support the mac and only have a few labels.

Could this be the start of apple's domination? I think so!
post #69 of 253
Apple will supposedly announce deal with the Big 4 (Universal, BMG, EMI-Capitol, Sony) major labels to offer music product via web, new iPods and new iTunes software update. This has nothing to do with Universal deal, which won't happen (if it ever does) until May or June.
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post #70 of 253
Quote:
Originally posted by rampancy
For what it's worth, MacsRGood4U can keep the word "CONFIRMED" in his title: MacCentral just broke the news this morning:

http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/...21/appleevent/

It's the 'August' part of his title that needs to change
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post #71 of 253
Quote:
Originally posted by MacsRGood4U
Apple will supposedly announce deal with the Big 4 (Universal, BMG, EMI-Capitol, Sony) major labels to offer music product via web, new iPods and new iTunes software update. This has nothing to do with Universal deal, which won't happen (if it ever does) until May or June.


Man, AAC support in iTunes 4 along with a Apple download service, and to top it off, NEW iPODS!!!!!!!

Man, too bad I will be in school that day, why couldn't it have been today? Then I could experience it....
well, any who, need to get some more ink for my pritner so I can print out all those new specs for the products.... man,,, i need to get a life, or at least do some work!
post #72 of 253
Quote:
Originally posted by MacsRGood4U
Apple will supposedly announce deal with the Big 4 (Universal, BMG, EMI-Capitol, Sony)

It's the Big 5 - you forgot AOL Time Warner.
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post #73 of 253
Amazing how easy it is to forget AOL Time Warner.

Threads merged. Carry on. 8)
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post #74 of 253
Yes. AOL-Time Warner will be there as well.
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post #75 of 253
Think Secret reports possible demos of the new iPods and music service starting at 6 PM on Friday May 2 at your local Apple Store.

also:


Apple tunes up for music pitch
Ian Fried, Staff Writer, CNET News.com

Apple Computer has scheduled a media event for April 28, an occasion the company may use to debut a new online music service that has been in the works.

An invitation to the event promises announcements that "will be music to your ears." The event could serve as a launching point for a new digital music service that Apple has been working on for some time. The company also may launch new iPods, replacing the current generation of the digital music player which has grown increasingly scarce on store shelves.

There has been much talk of Apple and music of late, including speculation that the company has been in talks with Vivendi Universal to buy Vivendi's music business. Last week, Apple issued a statement saying that it has not made an offer for any record companies, although the company did not address whether it has been in talks with any of the major record labels.

An Apple representative declined to comment further.

Needham analyst Charles Wolf said the event is likely to bring both new iPods and the music service.

"Apple's worst-kept secret has been its downloaded music service," said Wolf, who owns Apple shares and rates the company's stock a "hold".

If Apple does launch the music service, it will be the first legal download service that offers content from the major record labels and is available for the Macintosh. Apple has found itself excluded from the initial music and movie download services.

As for the iPod, the 5GB model has been out of stock for months, while other models have been growing increasingly scarce of late. Apple's online store has been listing a wait time of seven to 10 days for all iPod models, pushing their delivery date until after the scheduled April 28 event.
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post #76 of 253
Something to keep in mind while thinking about the pricing for Apple's new music service (assuming it comes to pass): we're talking about Apple. Apple has a way of pricing products at just that magic level where they are ceertainly viable but won't ever become market-dominating.

After years of following Apple's products, it has become clear to me that they like to ensure that only a small fraction of a given market will be interested in anything they offer. I won't even try to speculate on why this is. Maybe there's some logic to it - I don't care.

So... apply this Apple pricing system to possible AMS pricing...

How about 99 cents per track with no membership fee? No way. Not gonna happen. Much too reasonable. I'd go for that without a second thought, and would probably never buy another CD in my life. I have a feeling that a lot of other people would have this same reaction to that pricing - too many people for Apple's liking.

I think a membership fee is a must. That'll chop their market at least in half, right there. The problem is, since this is going to be, pretty much, the first such service, Apple is going to have to try extra hard to get down to that magic market-share level. The pricing per track will have to really give potential customers pause. I'm thinking at least $1.99 per track. In my mind, this means I'll probably never use the service, but I know that some people will.

Yeah, cynical.
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post #77 of 253
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Originally posted by spotcatbug
How about 99 cents per track with no membership fee? No way. Not gonna happen.

I think it is definitely a possibility for .mac members... maybe more for non-members.

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post #78 of 253
i think it would be a good idea to have a couple of different "plans". Like 99 cents a track for casual downloaders and a susbscription based plan for people who want to use it alot. It has to wind up being cheaper that buying the music on cd at the store, otherwise it just wont work, duh. The record companies will not jump on board if the service is geared to having a small percentage of users use it, everyone who has a computer and likes music needs to use it. And the record companies arent gonna find out anything new on the 28th, if they are comming to this thing they have already signed on. This whole thing goes beyond the macintosh it's like a separate entity that will also help promote apple.
post #79 of 253
by spotcatbug

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After years of following Apple's products, it has become clear to me that they like to ensure that only a small fraction of a given market will be interested in anything they offer. I won't even try to speculate on why this is. Maybe there's some logic to it - I don't care.

While this could be true for things they make, (nmo) I don't see that being the case here. They are more of a conduit, a way of accessing music with this service.

You could pessimistically assume that if this service gets really popular that they couldn't meet demand for the iPod. But regular downloading to your computer will be easy money for Apple.

I am wondering if part of the service includes ordering CD's with custom images how will this be handled, distributed. Will we be able to get lyrics printed, included? Now that could get busy as well.

In any case, I am looking forward to the 28th.
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Originally posted by kcmac
I am wondering if part of the service includes ordering CD's with custom images how will this be handled, distributed. Will we be able to get lyrics printed, included? Now that could get busy as well.

At least for what you would download I'm thinking it would be kinda neat if that was intergrated into the new itunes where you have an album or select a track and there would be spots for the cover art and inserts, links to info on the band etc. I wouldnt really care, but other people might really like that.

As far as ordering the cd's i think apple would want another company to be in charge of this, apple wouldnt be able to handle it. You would see news stories months later, "users of apple's new amazing ( ) music service that chose to order their music on cd's are waiting months for them"
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