Confirmed!!! G5's On the Way.....(typo?) - Page 2

[quote]Originally posted by mackie9:
<strong>...There's nothing incorrect on my web site. The shareware version of VueScan 7.3.5 will not run on PowerPC G5 systems (yes, it says G5, not G4). I'm not able to explain this any further at this time....</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sure and guess what the shareware version of VueScan doesn't run on the PPC G6 or G7 either. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

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[quote]<strong>
There's nothing incorrect on my web site. The shareware
version of VueScan 7.3.5 will not run on PowerPC G5
systems (yes, it says G5, not G4).

</strong><hr></blockquote>

If he disabled it of course it won´t run a G5

i found this in the compiled version i just downloaded. the string "PowerPC, G5" is definately part of the code - ALTHOUGH THIS DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING !

Copyright 2001 Hamrick Software

Come on guy this guy is playing with our nerves.... the shareware doe not work on a G5 or whatever shipset that does not exist at the moment !!!!

[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
<strong>This is huge. Or maybe he is just a jack ass....</strong><hr></blockquote>

I cast my vote for jack ass

it's a typo as reported by mike at XLR8yourmac.com<a href="http://www.xlr8yourmac.com" target="_blank">web page</a>

if you really believe some joe blow shareware developer is going to recieve that kind of hardware from apple for whatever reason, you are absolutely nuts or are bogarting waaaaay to much of the happy smoke. if it's the later send some of that my way please.

Definitely very surreal, but remember that code that disables operation on a fictional chipset is not an entire impossibility.

An excellent trick, either way.

ooops me spoke to soon and misread the article. dumb ass am i.

still say it's a typo, but much appreciate any and all happy smoke you send me.

[quote]Originally posted by running with scissors:
<strong>it's a typo as reported by mike at XLR8yourmac.com<a href="http://www.xlr8yourmac.com" target="_blank">web page</a>

if you really believe some joe blow shareware developer is going to recieve that kind of hardware from apple for whatever reason, you are absolutely nuts or are bogarting waaaaay to much of the happy smoke. if it's the later send some of that my way please.</strong><hr></blockquote>


Wow, did you even read that? It clearly says' IT IS NOT A TYPO. Jeesh, if you are gonna site info, site it correctly


[quote] Scanner Software Notes 'Disabled on G5 Processors' -

" <a href="http://www.hamrick.com/vsm.html" target="_blank">http://www.hamrick.com/vsm.html</a>
The above URL for Hamrick Software's Mac version of their VueScan software has a note about the latest version being "disabled on G5 processors"?!?!?!
Interesting!
I'd venture to guess that Hamrick Software is a test site for a G5 Mac - or at least they have access to one. [or a user of their software perhaps reported this?-Mike]

Why they mention this on their site is strange - you'd think that if they are a test site that an NDA would keep them from mentioning it.
-Eric Smalling "

The word I hear is that all new hardware testing is done inside of Apple (machines not seeded anymore outside of Apple), but not positive that is true. Checking the linked page at noon today the note is still there:


"Please note that the shareware version of VueScan is disabled on PowerPC G5 processors."

Not sure if this is a typo or a "leak" so to speak about new systems that might be announced at Macworld SF early next month.
(Update - a reader replied to this post


" Dear Mike:
Just wanted to confirm that it doesn't look as though Ed Hamrick's note regarding VueScan is a typo. If you go to the VueScan release notes for version 7.3.5, he specifically notes that he's disabled the shareware version for G5 processors. See <a href="http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm#changes." target="_blank">http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm#changes.</a> It wouldn't make any sense to disable the shareware version on G4 processors -- most of his target audience has probably already moved to the G4.
Hope this helps. Love your site! <hr></blockquote>

I guess you don't need any trees to smoke, cause you are already burnt

here are some of the system error messages in vuescan. no mention of "doesn't run on powerpc g5" or anything like that:

This application needs at least a MacPlus"This application needs more memory!This application is out of memory*This application needs at least System 7.5 About this wxWindows Application}This application needs Appearance extension (built in with System 8) - this restriction will be relieved in the final release

one more thing - this is an online app available on his site:

<a href="http://hamrick.com/names/" target="_blank">http://hamrick.com/names/</a>

[quote]Jeesh, if you are gonna site info, site it correctly<hr></blockquote>

If you are going to insult someone for their reading skills, you should, perhaps, brush up your spelling skills first (cite, not site)

This can mean one of three things:

1: He knows something about the G5 and is yanking our chain.

2: He doesn't know anything about the G5 and is yanking our chain.

3: This is his way of getting back at Mac users for jamming his email with requests to not stop developing for the Mac.... See Number 2.


Not supporting non-shipping speculative hardware is as easy as writing this post... Actually easier. I'm doing it right now.

Th guy is not lying! It is true. It doesn't run in my G5.

[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
<strong>From: EdHamrick@aol.com
Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 03:22:37 PM US/Eastern
To: sdw2001@mac.com
Subject: Re: PowerPC G5 disabling?

...I've gotten maybe 15 e-mails about the G5 comment. I've gotten more e-mails today about the SprintScan 4000 and problems with
VueScan 7.3.4 (I fixed these problems in 7.3.5). .... I get more than 100 e-mails every day. It just happens that I finished dinner and am wading through a stack of support e-mails. Regards, Ed Hamrick</strong><hr></blockquote>

I also find it kinda strange that the author of VuScan quoted an AI message you posted here as an email reply. Hmm so he way answering support emails and surfing the AI rumors message board all at the same time.. Yea that sure seems strange... I still wanna believe but then again I **always** wanna believe. =)

Dave

pleasure overload...going to w*** my pants . I want a G5 . By now, Apple would have read it . So, what would they do ? Put the legal team on the guy or just let it happen . This can't go by unpunished ...is it ?

Still want a G5 though

Where have you guys been that you think that VueScan is just another piddly software program? Vuescan is great and has very wide use in what market? Oh yeah, the graphics market, where Apple is also big. Chances are small that he has a prototype G5 (assuming they exist). Chances are nearly 100% that some testing his software does.

Holy shit, either it's aufkcing good hoax, or he's ****ing dead. VueScan, byebye

G-News

O did I tell you I have a G5 at home, yeah I said G5, not G4, 3, 2 or 1, G5! It says ATHLON XP on the chip though, I have no clue why )

okay, it seems this hamrick is reading these boards, and - as you know if you read my posts - he already got into trouble coz of nda's. and he probably knows what apple does with people telling secrets. so if he really got a g5 he would do only one thing: remove the info as quickly as possible to avoid getting in trouble with apple. as he doesn't do this it can only mean four things:

1. he's damn studip
2. he's got no g5 and it's all fake
3. he has access to g5 but doesn't have to fear to get in trouble with apple as this is not restricted by any nda - seems very dangerous to me
4. he wants to get into trouble with apple

anyway, i think he'll DEFINATELY GET INTO TROUBLE - not matter if it's real or fake. apple probably won't support this guy anymore in future, no matter what the truth is

Disabling a program on the G5 is quite easy even if you do know nothing about that chip and do not have access to SDKs for them.

MacOS has something called Gestalt, a function that tells a program about features of the machine. Known CPUS are listed as constants:
gestaltCPU68000\t\t\t\t= 0;\t\t\t\t\t\t\t{ Various 68k CPUs... }
\tgestaltCPU68010\t\t\t\t= 1;
\tgestaltCPU68020\t\t\t\t= 2;
\tgestaltCPU68030\t\t\t\t= 3;
\tgestaltCPU68040\t\t\t\t= 4;
\tgestaltCPU601\t\t\t\t= $0101;\t\t\t\t\t\t{ IBM 601 }
\tgestaltCPU603\t\t\t\t= $0103;
\tgestaltCPU604\t\t\t\t= $0104;
\tgestaltCPU603e\t\t\t\t= $0106;
\tgestaltCPU603ev\t\t\t\t= $0107;
\tgestaltCPU750\t\t\t\t= $0108;\t\t\t\t\t\t{ Also 740 - "G3" }
\tgestaltCPU604e\t\t\t\t= $0109;
\tgestaltCPU604ev\t\t\t\t= $010A;\t\t\t\t\t\t{ Mach 5, 250Mhz and up }
\tgestaltCPUG4\t\t\t\t= $010C;\t

Basically all you need to do is test whether Gestalt returns anything larger than 0x010c. If this is the case you know you run on a newer CPU (of course this could be something like a G4ev).

However he uses code that is much more sophisticated and uses a more modern (if somewhat clumsy) API provided by Apple for Usage with PCI, PCCard adaptors.

Obviously this still could just be a hoax _but_ given the fact that it is not unlikely a revised CPU and chipset would completely break Vuescan and it is currently the only working scan app running natively on X, this could just be true.
I sincerely doubt he has ever seen a G5, but that does not mean Apple could not have contacted him.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by macrumorzz:
[QB]okay, it seems this hamrick is reading these boards, and - as you know if you read my posts - he already got into trouble coz of nda's. and he probably knows what apple does with people telling secrets. so if he really got a g5 he would do only one thing: remove the info as quickly as possible to avoid getting in trouble with apple. as he doesn't do this it can only mean four things:

1. he's damn studip
2. he's got no g5 and it's all fake
3. he has access to g5 but doesn't have to fear to get in trouble with apple as this is not restricted by any nda - seems very dangerous to me
4. he wants to get into trouble with apple

5. Has access to G5 for testing, doesn't give a shit about about getting into trouble with Apple, but isn't looking to stir up shit either.
-just another option

[QUOTE]Originally posted by macrumorzz:
<strong>his program seems to be important enough to be listed at apple.com:

<a href="http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/drivers/vuescan.html" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/drivers/vuescan.html</a></strong>[/QUOTE ]

As are millions of other people / companies writing drivers.

Honestly, he most certainly does not have, and never had access to a G5 unit, 'cos if he really had, he'd sure as hell not risk all that by putting this stupid slogan on his webpage.

Besides, given the G5 is supposed to be binary-compatible with current processors, why wouldn't this scanner driver work there?

Bye,
RazzFazz

as far as i know the g5 is *mostly* compatible with previous ppc cpus. the 100% compatibility is only given with apps running in the "standard" mode of the cpu, but not necessary in higher (os) modes. this means that probably operating systems have to be rewritten for the g5 (at least recompiled) as some instructions/cpu modes behave a bit different from current powerpc processors. maybe this scanning software (which could be very hardware-close) uses some of these instructions, although this is at least very unlikely for macos-x as unix doesn't allow tasks to access instructions that can only be used in higher cpu modes.

[quote]Originally posted by SDW2001:
<strong>From: EdHamrick@aol.com
Date: Mon Dec 17, 2001 03:22:37 PM US/Eastern
To: sdw2001@mac.com
Subject: Re: PowerPC G5 disabling?

In a message dated 12/17/2001 3:12:52 PM EST, sdw2001@mac.com writes:

(yet another message to mr. Hamrock)

</strong><hr></blockquote>

Doesn't this get old, sending him a message every five minutes trying to make him say "yes I have a G5 here"?


[quote]<strong>I'm convinced now. Even if this guy is screwing with us. The G5 is coming. There is just too much evidence in support. That's why the keynote got moved. It is going to be ****ing great. All naysayers can believe what they want.</strong><hr></blockquote>

*Evidence*?

Bye,
RazzFazz

Jack and Jill went up false expectation hill...

[quote]Originally posted by The Swan:
<strong>Where have you guys been that you think that VueScan is just another piddly software program? Vuescan is great and has very wide use in what market? Oh yeah, the graphics market, where Apple is also big. Chances are small that he has a prototype G5 (assuming they exist). Chances are nearly 100% that some testing his software does.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I didn't mean to belittle VueScan, but still, it's a one-man-shareware-show, and I kinda doubt he play in the same league Adobe et al. do.

Besides, what use would it be to prominently feature the fact that VueScan won't run on G5 hardware on his front page? I mean, what could it possibly be worth to whom? Won't help potential G5 beta testers, 'cos it won't run anyway. WOn't help anybody else, 'cos they don't have G5s anyway in the first place. *Will* help Mr. VueScan to get ample publicity across all major Mac news sites.

Bye,
RazzFazz

[quote]Originally posted by macrumorzz:
<strong>apple probably won't support this guy anymore in future, no matter what the truth is</strong><hr></blockquote>

Well, I'm not sure how Apple would be supporting him right now? Writing a scanner driver probably is more an issue of getting support from the scanner manufacturers than from Apple.

Bye,
RazzFazz

[quote]Originally posted by Tulkas:
<strong>5. Has access to G5 for testing, doesn't give a shit about about getting into trouble with Apple, but isn't looking to stir up shit either.
-just another option</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yeah, but guess where those hypothetical pre-production G5 units come from?
Guess who you'd better not get into trouble with in order to keep the privilege of having access to them?
See?

Bye,
RazzFazz

this is bullshit and this guy is a jackass.

you can tell its BS from his responses and the fact that he hasn't taken the notice down and that he is using it as an advertisement now.

what a loser

[quote]Originally posted by macrumorzz:
<strong>maybe this scanning software (which could be very hardware-close) uses some of these instructions.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Pretty unlikely IMO.
The part that's real close to hardware in this scanner driver is probably code related to accessing the scanners themselves, which probably happens via SCSI, FW or USB, or maybe even PCI, and the Mac OS provides abstract interfaces for generic access to those. As such, I can't imagine what part of the driver would possibly be tied so closely to the Mac hardware that it would break on a G5.

Bye,
RazzFazz

[ 12-17-2001: Message edited by: RazzFazz ]</p>

Okay, I'm back with my feet on the floor . Your right RazzFazz . He's just in need of publicity . I can put it in my shareware, just for the simple reason that I haven't got the chance for testing it on a newer processor...like the G5 . So let's say he put the code in just for safety reasons *lol*
So guys, buy Vuescan and when the G5 come's out there's no risk losing date ...

That a Quality Assurance procedure *lol*

losing a date ? Losing data...much better .

Lets all get the concord and fly to London, raid his house, and take note of his Apple IIe

Must have been working on a G5 with VueScan installed and Not disabled .

VueScan? Never heard of it.

This guy is just pulling chains.

But that doesn't mean there will not be a G5 at MWSF.