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post #241 of 275
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Originally posted by Tulkas
Don't kid yourself, that is Israel's fault too. Well, atleast it is for many on this board.

Not saying weather it is or not, but look at it this way. Why is it if 'palestinians(most of whom's leaders were kicked out of their own countries), go and blow up an Israeli bus, or mall, or whatever, no body says much about it, sure it will be on the news, but if Israel does something to the palestines, it becomes an ATTACK or MASSACRE(saw this one a day or two ago on the BBC).. Strange....
post #242 of 275
I totally agree. To so many, an "open mind" only counts when you happen to see it their way. If you cross them and think something a bit different, you suddenly become a reactionary reptile (thanks, der Kopf).



In any case, there's that saying about being so open minded that your brains fall out.



I think there's a little nugget or two of truth in that. I see it deliciously demonstrated quite a bit these days.
post #243 of 275
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Originally posted by pscates
I totally agree. To so many, an "open mind" only counts when you happen to see it their way. If you cross them and think something a bit different, you suddenly become a reactionary reptile (thanks, der Kopf).



In any case, there's that saying about being so open minded that your brains fall out.



I think there's a little nugget or two of truth in that. I see it deliciously demonstrated quite a bit these days.

Yep, I see people all the time today, I often wonder, if they got shot in the head, would they even die?? its not like there is anything in the coconut shell they call a head.
post #244 of 275
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Originally posted by pscates
I totally agree. To so many, an "open mind" only counts when you happen to see it their way. If you cross them and think something a bit different, you suddenly become a reactionary reptile (thanks, der Kopf).

I bet you get that a lot.

For the record: open-mindedness is not exclusively liberal. Why, some of my best friends...

post #245 of 275
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Originally posted by pscates
I totally agree. To so many, an "open mind" only counts when you happen to see it their way. If you cross them and think something a bit different, you suddenly become a reactionary reptile (thanks, der Kopf).

You just know you had some remark coming. Here you were ridiculing some of the stereotypes (e.g. being so PC as to not be able to just enjoy stuff, being so green as to be Amish, ...) commonly ascribed to the left. It's only fair some of it lands back in your face, no?

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Anyway, don't indulge in that reactionary reptile rap. You kid, I kid you back. I think that's a better stance than exposing my thin skin and screaming bloody murder every time someone mocks me.

post #246 of 275
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Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce
I bet you get that a lot.

For the record: open-mindedness is not exclusively liberal. Why, some of my best friends...


Luckily, I dont get that a lot, because in most things I am open minded, and can even understand multiple views. like this whole war thing, I had two different opinions on it.. one was go in and get him out, the other, in a total contrast was that we should leave him there, let him do what he wants to his neighbors(same ones that were crying when he would do things), and when they called us for help, to tell em to go f themselves... I actually would prefer the second option, But I can understand and see why they would go with the first. I still do think however that the UN itself is basically useless and would have no problems if the U.S. pulled out. Its like a tiger that has no teeth and claws... all talk, no substance.
post #247 of 275
Amish? Huh? When did I say anything about them?

No, Shawn, I don't get the "reptile" thing at all. First time ever today, actually.



You know, believe it or not, I'm a swell guy. I'm not mean or ever in anyone's face about anything. I think it probably all comes out here just because a) there are quite a few here who bring it out and b) during times like these, our political differences probably come to the surface more.

In my "real life", most people would probably have no idea which way I tilt because the bulk of the things I talk about are music, Macs, food and drink, weekend plans, etc. My close friends or co-workers know, but it's not something we hit on everyday or have daily endless discussions/debates.

But "reptile"? Hmmm. I always say myself as a polar bear or monkey.



AND, for the record, I by no means tilt right on every single thing. You'd be shocked to know what I think/believe about a number of issues. Go ahead...ask!

post #248 of 275
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post #249 of 275
Okay, it's all false and fake. I give!
post #250 of 275
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Originally posted by Tulkas
Twist it as you want, it doesn't make it so.

He obviously was referring to the extremist elements of the Arab and Muslim worlds. Tell me your head is stuck so far in the sand, you haven't heard the term Islamist. It is used (especially since 9/11) as a politically correct way to distinguish between normal, regular Muslims and the radical elements of that faith. Similarly, though tonton and you tried to make it seem his use of the word arabist must mean arabs in general and therefore racist, it again obviously is not.

But, I guess if you and twist what he said, some might believe you.

If that is the explanation.... But even so, would you be happy with the terms "Christianist" or "Americanist"? Insulting.
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post #251 of 275
I wouldn't be "insulted" as much as I'd just go "leave off the 'ist'...it's Christian and American."



What's insulting about "ist"?
post #252 of 275
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Originally posted by pscates
Okay, it's all false and fake. I give!

So through sarcasm you're admitting that the statue show was a setup?
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post #253 of 275
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Originally posted by bunge
So through sarcasm you're admitting that the statue show was a setup?

Yeah, that's it exactly.

No, wisenheimer..."through sarcasm" I'm registering my complete exasperation and annoyance with some of you.

Although, you're helping me wonderfully prove my point I mentioned yesterday (it's never going to be enough or good).
post #254 of 275
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Originally posted by pscates

..."through sarcasm" I'm registering my complete exasperation and annoyance with some of you.

So, it's OK if I celebrate with you, but when the media picks up on something that disagrees with your point of view it's not worth of posting?

Should I PM you before posting links next time? I mean, that way you can make sure you don't get annoyed by little things like the truth.
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post #255 of 275
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Originally posted by pscates

You know, believe it or not, I'm a swell guy. I'm not mean or ever in anyone's face about anything. I think it probably all comes out here just because a) there are quite a few here who bring it out and b) during times like these, our political differences probably come to the surface more.

In my "real life", most people would probably have no idea which way I tilt because the bulk of the things I talk about are music, Macs, food and drink, weekend plans, etc. My close friends or co-workers know, but it's not something we hit on everyday or have daily endless discussions/debates.

Hey man, you'd be the first I'd invite to a party.
post #256 of 275
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Originally posted by bunge
So, it's OK if I celebrate with you, but when the media picks up on something that disagrees with your point of view it's not worth of posting?

Should I PM you before posting links next time? I mean, that way you can make sure you don't get annoyed by little things like the truth.

You know, I never thought I'd say this: I've met someone who gets on my wick more than ShawnPatrick. And believe me, bunge...THAT'S saying something. I thought he was the king of humorless nitpicking and over-the-top, point-by-point rhetoric. He's been dethroned as of the past day or two.

He's actually kinda charming and funny in his own twisted way.

You, however...

Uh, no. I don't ever want you PMing me about ANYTHING, okay? Even if your hair is on fire, spare me.



I don't care what you post. I can make my own thing. Knock yourself out.
post #257 of 275
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Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce
Hey man, you'd be the first I'd invite to a party.

My thoughts exactly. You two should get a room and bridge the wide left-right gap.

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post #258 of 275
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Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce
Hey man, you'd be the first I'd invite to a party.

I'd in a twisted, freaky way, Shawn, I'd probably invite you too. It would be like a scientific observation thing, just to see one so up close and all. Fascinating...I thought they were all but extinct.

post #259 of 275
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Originally posted by pscates
You know, I never thought I'd say this: I've met someone who gets on my wick [???] than ShawnPatrick.

Don't you mean more than ShawnPatrick?

That was intended with copius amounts of sarcasm.
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post #260 of 275
Yeah, I caught that and left out the word "more" and went back to edit it (it's there now).
post #261 of 275
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Originally posted by pscates
Amish? Huh? When did I say anything about them?

No, Shawn, I don't get the "reptile" thing at all. First time ever today, actually.


Look, running the danger of becoming whiney, let me clear this misunderstanding up: you and CoD or someone play with us (leftist scum - okay, this "leftist scum" is MY addition - ) chanting around a campfire, which, on second thought, wouldn't be that good an idea, seeing campfires are polluting vis-Ã*-vis the ozone layer. To me, that implies that leftists are very green all the time, and even more that they are PC all the time, never able to "give things a break", get that walnut from between their clenching butt-cheeks. I grant you the fact that this is funny. Look:



But hey, can't I have some retaliatory fun at the conservative's expense. One incarnation of the conservative being an old money-addicted sun-scathed reptile living on top of a Texan oil-well. One incarnation. Not necessarily yours. Just as I am not avoiding campfires because they'd pollute the ozone-layer. You dig? So, therefore, the reptile thing is supposed to make you:



However, do with it what you will, but don't be so uptight about this. Please?

Also, I'm der Kopf. Not Shawn.
post #262 of 275
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Originally posted by bunge
Dancing in the streets?

EDIT: Part Deux

Umm, only problem on that photo, besides the stupid website it is from, is when exactly was that photo taken? I could easily say that photo was taken later in the day, photoshopped,ect.. I mean it is a crappy photo too.. if the goverment released a photo like that, you guys would be calling conspiracy becuase of its crapy resolution so it can go both ways.
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post #264 of 275
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Originally posted by pscates
Okay, it's all false and fake. I give!

hehe, if you want to really laugh, go to the website with the pics, but go to the main page.. George Bushes goal for World domination... uhuh..
that explains it all.
post #265 of 275
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Originally posted by Chinney
If that is the explanation.... But even so, would you be happy with the terms "Christianist" or "Americanist"? Insulting.

I have heard a lot worse on this board for what I beleive than Christianist... ALOT WORSE... that would be nothing.
post #266 of 275
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Originally posted by der Kopf
Look, running the danger of becoming whiney, let me clear this misunderstanding up: you and CoD or someone play with us (leftist scum - okay, this "leftist scum" is MY addition - ) chanting around a campfire, which, on second thought, wouldn't be that good an idea, seeing campfires are polluting vis-Ã*-vis the ozone layer. To me, that implies that leftists are very green all the time, and even more that they are PC all the time, never able to "give things a break", get that walnut from between their clenching butt-cheeks. I grant you the fact that this is funny. Look:



But hey, can't I have some retaliatory fun at the conservative's expense. One incarnation of the conservative being an old money-addicted sun-scathed reptile living on top of a Texan oil-well. One incarnation. Not necessarily yours. Just as I am not avoiding campfires because they'd pollute the ozone-layer. You dig? So, therefore, the reptile thing is supposed to make you:



However, do with it what you will, but don't be so uptight about this. Please?

Also, I'm der Kopf. Not Shawn.

Dude, I'm not even mad about the "reptile" thing, okay? Relax. And my reference to Shawn was because he'd asked if I got called that a lot or something. So I was talking to him about what you'd said, that's all.
post #267 of 275
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Originally posted by pscates
Dude, I'm not even mad about the "reptile" thing, okay? Relax. And my reference to Shawn was because he'd asked if I got called that a lot or something. So I was talking to him about what you'd said, that's all.

Glad to have this thing cleared up. Let's return to the order of the day, and the flaming expression of it.
post #268 of 275
I just caught the last few minutes of Sean Hannity's radio show and his buddy Alan Colmes called in and they were talking and Alan had mentioned an exchange that had taken place on last night's "Hannity & Colmes" show on Fox News between Alan and Michael Reagan.

Alan told Sean that he was upset that Michael had used yesterday, which - according to Alan - should be a day of "joyous celebration" at the first real signs of the liberation of the Iraqi people, as a day to (quoting Alan) "beat up on the Left and liberals...".

That reminded me what BRussell posted earlier about this thread: "this went from a happy thread to pscates explaining why liberals suck" or something along those lines.

That's two people who kinda maybe got caught not being as right/on top of it as they'd hoped? Maybe we on the right, war-supporting side had the temptation to...I don't want to say "gloat" because this is not a gloating, frivolous thing, but speaking just for myself and being completely honest, I felt like grinding it in a bit to some of you.

And it was cool to see pfflam and a couple of others here actually say "hmmm...maybe I had this wrong...I might need to rethink this...". I thought that was cool and admirable on his part.

But all this time, leading up to this, we heard SO many gloom and doom, horrible predictions and statements made by many about how much of a disaster this would be, how the Iraqi people wouldn't welcome us, etc.

It was indeed a joyous day, but I got the feeling from listening to Alan earlier (and it triggered my memory of BRussell's post from this morning) that Alan knew he was wrong and instead of Sean and Michael beating him (figuratively, of course) on live TV was painful to him and he just wanted to the subject change and wanted to talk about the "joy" and the "celebration" and the "stunning successes" of the U.S. troops in Baghdad.

I think that's a lot of yesterday: things going better than many had hoped (although many of us knew it would be and were simply waiting for it to happen...waiting for the people to realize Saddam is gone and our troops AREN'T there to kill them, but to liberate them). But those caught kinda on the backside - the "oops" side - understandably got their back up a bit.

Some copped to it, some could admit it and others simply couldn't. Or wouldn't.

In any case, it would be asking A LOT for those of us on the other side, who - after months of all this hassle - have supported this action and were confident in how it would largely go, to resist a bit of "see? What did I tell you?".

We're only human. And, in some cases, it felt good (yeah, I won't lie) to be able to - if only briefly - kinda go "you don't know everything, people...". I know Alan referred to it and I think that was in a lot of BRussell's post because I was on a bit of a joyous high yesterday (still am today, actually).



Beyond all that, I do think it is a good thing. A positive thing. And yes, we can't be everywhere at once and tackle all the other oppression and abuse in the world (but we do what we can), but it doesn't - and shouldn't - diminish the happiness in this particular case. Anyone with a heart and a simple notion of right/wrong and good/bad HAS to look at the progress made and the events of the past several days and go "maybe they'll have a life now?"

I take so much for granted and it takes times like these to make me realize that nothing is guaranteed and that only by luck I was born somewhere where I can say what I want, when I want and how I want and not have the hell beaten out of me. Or worse.

post #269 of 275
Looks like those people "spontaneously celebrating" were most probably members of the Iraqi National Congress, including henchman Ahmed Chalabi, specially flown in from Northern Iraq.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2003Apr7.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com...D66/17554.html

http://www.informationclearinghouse....rticle2842.htm

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/Swissin...11&sid=1752803

extracted from a recent article by Elizabeth Schulte:

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The main group that the Bush administration has shoved into the spotlight is the Iraqi National Congress (INC), which poses as an umbrella organization bringing together several smaller groups.The INC is made up of wealthy Iraqi exiles based in London and Washington who are loyal to the
U.S. but have few connections inside Iraq.

Its leader, Ahmed Chalabi, is a crook. He fled Iraq in 1958, and had to leave Jordan in 1989, where he faces 32 years in prison for embezzling millions from a bank he once owned. Chalabi was made INC leader in 1992 and continues to be a leading spokesperson for the organization, even though the State Department recently discovered that about half of the $4 million that it had given the group wasnt properly accounted for.....

.....One candidate is Nizer alKhazraji, the top commander of the Iraqi army from 1980 to 1991. Of course, alKhazraji did run Iraqs invasion of Kuwait that led to the Gulf War. Plus, hes currently under investigation by the Danish government for war crimes. Hes accused of carrying out the 1988 poison-gas attacks that killed thousands of Kurds in northern Iraq--the very attacks that Dick Cheney repeatedly referred to in insisting that Saddam should be removed from power.

So, that "celebration" looks like a setup, for the benefit of Washingtons favorite thug and conman who looks set to play a part in a puppet government of Iraq. Whats the betting this guy's just another potential Saddam Hussein? He's not in power yet and already he looks like a real dodgy customer. OK...he's a scumbag, lets not beat about the Bush here.

http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2001/msg00000.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...927055,00.html
http://64.176.94.191/article1433.htm


Some more reading:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/DK19Ak02.html
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post #270 of 275
You're way behind the times there Sammi. I already gave a comprehensive analysis of Chalabi during singalong time last night. Next time come join us around the campfire and then you won't have to regurgitate previously sung facts.
post #271 of 275
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Originally posted by ColanderOfDeath
You're way behind the times there Sammi. I already gave a comprehensive analysis of Chalabi during singalong time last night. Next time come join us around the campfire and then you won't have to regurgitate previously sung facts.

A few more links don't hurt! Just so we all know what we are paying all those $$multi-billions for..

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post #272 of 275
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Originally posted by ColanderOfDeath
You're way behind the times there Sammi. I already gave a comprehensive analysis of Chalabi during singalong time last night. Next time come join us around the campfire and then you won't have to regurgitate previously sung facts.

I think your campfire is one of the main factors in the present day spreading of the SARS virus. But hey, as long as you can indulge in your self-centered hedonims, right?
post #273 of 275
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Originally posted by pscates

In any case, it would be asking A LOT for those of us on the other side, who - after months of all this hassle - have supported this action and were confident in how it would largely go, to resist a bit of "see? What did I tell you?"

Well, at least you're admitting you're thumbing your nose at people.

Do think of the other side though. When some crazed suicide bomber blows up some of our marines, those around here who have been saying this action will create more terrorism could come back and thumb their nose as well. That wouldn't be very nice though.
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post #274 of 275
No, it's not really "thumbing my nose" (don't go mis-characterizing it or me, now...). No, simply pointing out things when they hit and reminding some that they don't necessarily always know everything about everything.

"Thumbing my nose" kinda implies a malicious, immature and petulant bent to things. I've been forceful and mouthy, but nothing I've said is false or made up (unless, of course, I'm being sarcastic about something, in which case I try to use a smiley of some sort OR write it in such a way that it's obvious I'm being a smarty-pants).



I told you I was honest.
post #275 of 275
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Originally posted by Chinney
If that is the explanation.... But even so, would you be happy with the terms "Christianist" or "Americanist"? Insulting.

You mean like Zionist? I see that on this board and have yet to see anyone pipe up about it. But use the terms Islamist or Arabist.....

A quote from Imad Moustapha, Syria's deputy ambassador to United States today "We believe that Syria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries are dream targets for certain neo-conservative intellectuals here in the United States that are strong allies of the extremist Likudist and Sharonist factions in Israel,"

See, even Arabs and Muslims use .ist. So what, nothing insulting and nothing to get you panties in a bunch over. It is simply used to ascribe extremist behavior of followers of a particular set of ideals.

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