Where is Bigfoot ?

Apparently you missed the story:
BigFoot is a dead

I still use my BigFoot trick skis from time to time. Mucho fun!

I just saw him sitting in a Honda Element sitting outside Chipolte, listening to a Jello Biafra spoken word CD, reading the NHL playoff section of the sports pages! There was a little white Apple logo sticker in his rear window! He's ONE OF US!

Bigfoot lives up by Mt. Challenger deep in the North Cascades. Tain't exactly a lot of folks with video cameras up there.

Ha! I was just talking to a friend about this EXACT thing not two weeks ago! We both grew up in the 70's and we were talking about all those cheesy B-grade movies that came out about Bigfoot. Then we recalled that "Six Million Dollar Man" episode featuring Bigfoot (he was an alien, I think). But there used to be that "In Search of..." show that came on every damn Saturday and talked about Bigfoot, the Yeti, UFOs, etc.

With the exception of UFOs (which, thanks to "The X Files", has enjoyed a surge in popularity), all the other things seem to have died down. The supermarket tabloids used to frequently feature Bigfoot-oriented "stories", but that's gone too.

I just remember there being several documentaries and fictionalized movies based on the fella back in the 70's.

Oh yeah, as a baby/early toddler, I took a drive around Loch Ness with my parents and their friends on a Saturday. I've got a picture of my Mom holding me on the side of the road with the lake in the background. My Dad was stationed there in Scotland and they wanted to drive up and see if they could located the monster one weekend.



In any case, if I go into the deep woods these days, I'm going to be more scared of rattlesnakes and deranged serial killers than I would Bigfoot.

But you're right: everybody and their grandmother has a digital camera, camcorder, disposable camera, etc. and are filming countless scenes of Dads getting hit in the nuts with errant whiffle balls and fat people trying to get on a horse, but no one - in all this time - has managed to capture anything beyond that famous, jittery piece-of-shit footage of Bigfoot lumbering through the woods (the one we've all seen 8 million times)?

I don't get it...

Not to nitpick but I am morally obliged to nitpick.

Rattlesnakes don't generally live in forested areas for one thing. Also, rattlesnake bites don't kill healthy adults like yourself anyway 99.9% of the time.

You're a lot safer in the woods than an any urban/suburban/rural area from serial killers. Although since you live in California it is safe to assume there are weirdos everywhere I suppose.

Hypothermia and falling would be your biggest fears. And grizzlies if you want a scary animal that can chow down on you. Although since there are no more grizzlies in CA you would have to fear black bears who are not quite so intimidating.

feeling insulted by the epithet "Bigfoot".

call them by their proper name, Sasquatch and they'll gladly share their traditional beverage, Kokanee Beer.



an interesting documentary film relates... sasquatch odyssey

And I'm morally obliged to tell you to "stow it"

First, don't tell me about rattlesnakes, where they live, how they act, where they're found, etc. You're in over your head from the get-go. Trust me on this one.

Second, it ain't the "dying" I'm necessarily torn up over. It's the swelling, the necrosis of tissue, the possible amputation of appendages, the skin grafts, etc. that might result from a serious rattler bite. Yeah, I'll "live"...with a mangled, three-fingered right hand and skin from my ass cheek grafted over part of my hand/arm and a helluva story to tell next time I'm at the bar.



And yes: weirdos ARE everywhere. There have been PLENTY of people assaulted and killed in non-urban areas. Statistics are not necessarily a comfort to me because I'm always the fella that the small "what if" percentage seems to apply to, so...

Besides, I saw "Deliverance".



I always dress warm and I walk carefully, so I'll take my chances with hypothermia and falling.

Well two can play the "I know more than you" game since you know as little about what I know as I about what you know. Well actually you probably know slightly less about me than I do about you but let's let that go. And you've already put yourself off to a bad start by talking about rattlesnakes in deep woods. So I will call your "expertise" and raise your bluff.

But if it makes you feel better, we can at least agree that ShawnPatrickJoyce is annoying.

This semester I decided to take a class called Mysteries of the Earth. You have no idea how much fun stuff has been ruined. No aliens building pyramids, no Roswell aliens, no Bigfoot, no giants, no Bermuda Triangle, etc.

Damn. I hoped this would make you ark enemies so you would not join in a coalition in the political threads in the future

Not that I regard your coalition as effective as others

So I've not seen rattlers, deep in the Appalachians? The Smoky Mountains in North Carolina? Deep in the Cleveland Forest? Brush, logs, creeks, moss, WAY in the middle of nowhere?

Maybe my definition, then, of "deep forest" is off from yours?



Yeah, they're more in the desert and scrubby areas (in my experience) and foothills, but they do exist in the places above. Did someone truck them in that morning or what? And place them there for my excitement?



Yeah, we can agree on the other. Sure.

Piss off, Whitey

And it's "arch" enemies. My "inteligens" tells me so.

You have to take classes to realise the obvious?

And excatly how great is the US educational system?

(And no. I will not admit that I would replace my "Habermas: communication, democracy and civil society" course in a heartbeat )

Fast p: How do you say "milk" in danish? Or Bread? Or humour?

Not sure, but I don't go around messing it up while commenting on the intelligence of others.

Let me guess: milque? milkke? milcke?



But I do have a sense of humor...that's why the little "tongue out" smiley followed my "piss off..." comment. I don't really mean that in a mean way.

Smiley = I'm joking, being silly

No smiley = watch your ass

Mælk, brød and , surprise, humor.

You don´t offend me. Actually most of the times it have been people from my side of the fence that have pissed me off the most on AI. Anyone remember CHEETAH? Little leftwinged swedish son of a shedog.

Heh.. No it's actually really fun, we spent a few days learning about how each myth got started and the background, then we spent a few more days ripping it apart.

(And I'm in my last year at a Community College, next year I'm off to a real college, if that explains it.

Good one!

I have a wonderful sense of humor

I only get agitated at a few people here, and even then it's usually temporary or related only to a particular thread. I dig everyone here, even the people I seem to constantly be going around and around with.

They're still cooler and smarter than your average bear, so...

The whole war thing got a lot of us - myself included - hopped up a bit more than usual.

PScates, is your knowledge of rattlesnakes limited to encountering them in the wild? Just curious...I have liked them since I was like 8 years old. (reptiles, not just rattlesnakes)

You are right...rattlesnakes do live "deep in the woods". Mainly the Timber rattlesnake. The Eastern Diamondback is around too, but not nearly as much as the Timber (more south they are Canebrake Rattlers). Does NC have pygmie rattlers? Those were some nasties that I ran into in FL.

Probably reason for the low mortality rate from Rattlesnake bites is the fact that most people get bit on the fingers or feet/ankles. Course if you get unlucky enough to get stuck by a baby rattler, then the amount of venom could be double what an adult one would give you.

I've had a lifelong (okay, 20-25 years) fascination/interest/terror/attraction/repulsion regarding snakes in general...rattlesnakes in particular.



Next to the polar bear, probably my favorite animal. But I do harbor quite a nightmare-inducing phobia of them as well, which is odd, considering...

No formal or "schooled" training, of course. Just a longtime interest/hobby stemming from childhood: books, journals, notes, interviews, zoos, documentaries, field, searches, video, snakebite stories, folklore, etc.

Venturing further off-topic but what the hay...

Any fans of the Crocodile Hunter here?

My favorite episode is one centered on rattlesnakes. He was in the Southern USA and came upon an Eastern Diamondback. He was handling the snake, giving the usual informative speil when he noticed another Eastern D-back right between his legs!

He turned ash white and got the heck out of there. Turns out there were a ton of them hidden in the brush all around him.

One of the few times I've ever seen him genuinely shook!


Jeff

Edit-no obvious snake-between legs jokes, please!

Now this should be the direction of this thread: the strange relation between phobia and desire. Sort of like the strange relationship between love and hate. Haven't we all met that girl who we just hate, cannot stand the mere sight off at the set-off, a girl (or maybe boy for some of youns) that makes you puke vehemently, but, invariably, a few days, weeks, months later, bear a mouth-drying desire for?

Anyhow, this monster stuff is not spent on me really. I've never been that afraid, cause I'M A MONSTER MYSELF!

... the best compliment I heard in weeks, if not months.

But Puff the Magic Dragon is real, right? And his brother Bong the Effete Unicorn?

I just bet you did.

Mine too, then. I was going to lay off this one, but I gotta comment. I've seen big mutherfunking rattlers in just about every woodland or interface condition you can imagine. They are anywhere that food is.

Another clue to the presence of rattlers, mocassins and copperheads -- king snakes. And I've seen plenty of black racers and striped kings in every different condition as well.

Anyhow, sorry to pick nits, but I had to make sure that folks didn't think the natural environment of rattlesnakes was all that limited. They live everywhere and anywhere.

THANK you.

I don't doubt that you may have seen rattlesnakes in those places.

Of course, the Smokies and various other Appalachian ranges are mountain ranges which have a variety of habitats in (or on) them. Likewise for brush, creeks, logs and moss; all of those can be found in areas that have been clearcut after all.

A bald is just as much part of the Smokies as a forest. Even the Timber Rattlesnakes that Kentucky cites are more likely to be found on balds, bluffs, meadows, open riparian areas, talus, prairies etc than lounging on a bed of pine needles or devil's club with a Strawberry Margarita in hand.

Furthermore the Timber Rattlesnake is Endangered/Threatened/Protected in at least a dozen states because of small and declining populations. Hardly something to be scared of when you walk into a deep forest as it relates back to the original comment. I'd be more scared of other snakes anyway.


Perhaps. I would refine mine- at least within the context of the lower 48 states- to refer to temperate old or second growth forest limited to IRAs or Wilderness Areas at least 10 miles from any road boundaries. If you wanted to be skicky I'd say it is reasonable to restict it to places where forest canopy provides at least 25%(-75%) cover but I wouldn't demand that. I would exclude alpine forests, scrubland, steppelands, etc.

No a scraggly fourth growth forest of pine in Tennessee that is three miles from Billy Bob's Dollywood Area Knick Knacks and Fireworks Store does not count as deep forest. Though it might have some (relatively speaking not that many) rattlesnakes.

So I guess if you want to put it in those terms than you could count deep forest much more easily.

I suppose the crux of the matter is whether you want to look at it in strict terms or more generally. Do rattlesnakes live in forests? Yes some do, most don't. Do rattlesnakes generally live in forests? No because some do but most don't. Do some rattlesnakes spend time in deep forests? Ye some do, almost all don't. Out of those that do live in or around deep forest, do they spend most of their time in forest cover or forest openings? The latter but not strictly so that they do not enter the former. Are rattlesnakes one of the top two things to be afeared of? Well perhaps we shouldn't be rational about fears which are an inherently irrational commodity but if we were to be afeared of some things then rattlesnakes would not be (based on stats) one of the top two things of which to be afraid.


More likely Shawn trucked them in in the hope that they would latch onto you like a two bit Nevada whore. He's devious like that.

He DID, that little punk! Oooo, where is he?!

Getting a little bit closer to the original topic, Sasquatch is frontin on his existence, but Ishi was real and is far more interesting anyway. Woot.

Although come to think of it I did see Sasquatch dunk once at a Sonics game:

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