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whats going to happen at WWDC? well now that the ipods are updated thats gone, so are the ibooks. so many possibilities! possibly a second revision imac? or will apple release new software? (beside panther of course) or (pray) a new powermac?
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itablet
imac rev b
new powermac
isoftware
i****

thats all i can really think of.
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itablet - probably not
imac rev b - no
new powermac - probably
isoftware - no
i**** - iPrn (buy porn movies with one-click)
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itablet - probably not
imac rev b - no

No consumer hardware for cert.
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new powermac - probably

Probably not even a new PowerMac (demonstration possibly - even probably, but I don't think it will be launched).
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isoftware - no
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No consumer hardware for cert.

Agreed.

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Probably not even a new PowerMac (demonstration possibly - even probably, but I don't think it will be launched).

Yeah. Exactly what I meant. Possible demonstration of new PowerMac with launching in aug/sept. The only problem with this strategy is that it would probably cannibalize sales of the current powermacs (as if it can get any worse ).

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post #5 of 771
1. Panther (duh)
2. possible PowerMac updates
3. an iTunes Music Store update is almost certain, with slim possibility of Windows service announcement (the USB2 kit is set to ship in June)
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3. an iTunes Music Store update is almost certain, with slim possibility of Windows service announcement (the USB2 kit is set to ship in June)

I think that would be a bit early for an update (what exactly would be updated?). Windows service announcement is as you said slim, and I don't think that it will happen before aug/sept.
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I think that would be a bit early for an update (what exactly would be updated?). Windows service announcement is as you said slim, and I don't think that it will happen before aug/sept.

well, if the service is a success (as much as could be expected in two months anyway...), i suspect it would be talked about

updates would include: how many people are using it, individual song vs. album download ratio, and how many songs the service has expanded too.

believe me, Steve will be talking up the service ANY chance he gets.
post #8 of 771
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Originally posted by pesi
1. Panther (duh)
2. possible PowerMac updates
3. an iTunes Music Store update is almost certain, with slim possibility of Windows service announcement (the USB2 kit is set to ship in June)

what has a windows service announcement to do with wwdc?
a. nothing
b. euh... nothing
c. surprice: nothing

wwdc has to do with software development for the apple-platform not for promoting windows options.

so what we will see at wwdc: i'm with kroehl sans dick
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what has a windows service announcement to do with wwdc?
a. nothing
b. euh... nothing
c. surprice: nothing

nothing other than the fact that Apple is doing some good business and possibly attracting new customers. show me one developer that isn't interested in getting new customers to the platform. other than quark that is

Steve Jobs: "see this new music store we've got? only Apple could come up with this."

makes the mac a rather enticing platform, eh?

besides, Apple has used WWDC for "non-traditional" announcements before. to paraphase you, what do displays have to do with WWDC? nothing. yet the all-LCD announcement was made there.
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Originally posted by pesi
believe me, Steve will be talking up the service ANY chance he gets.

i think he has more important stuff to show off than a music service... it's a developers conference, so what about osx 64bits? isn't that enough to talk about?
this music service is a gadget but not something developers are waiting for. all very nice for apple but not something a developer of soft(-or hard)ware for the apple platform wants to be bored with.
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Originally posted by pesi
besides, Apple has used WWDC for "non-traditional" announcements before. to paraphase you, what do displays have to do with WWDC? nothing. yet the all-LCD announcement was made there.

exactly:
2. they'll announce the powermac 970
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Originally posted by gar
exactly:
2. they'll announce the powermac 970

gar:

if you don't think SJ will be talking about the music service at WWDC, you've got a little something loose upstairs

SJ will be talking about it at ANY and ALL appearances he makes for the next six months. bet on it.
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Originally posted by pesi
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if you don't think SJ will be talking about the music service at WWDC, you've got a little something loose upstairs

SJ will be talking about it at ANY and ALL appearances he makes for the next six months. bet on it.

but he won't announce a windowwwwwsservice at wwdc 2003
that's where i was talking about
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but he won't announce a windowwwwwsservice at wwdc 2003
that's where i was talking about

fair enough. though i think he just might... if the mac only store gets to be a huge success. they might push it out a bit early then.

more people using apple products = more people thinking about buying a mac (the sooner before the holiday season the better...) = more people buying a mac = happier developers.
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Originally posted by pesi
fair enough. though i think he just might... if the mac only store gets to be a huge success. they might push it out a bit early then.

more people using apple products = more people thinking about buying a mac (the sooner before the holiday season the better...) = more people buying a mac = happier developers.

why should you buy a mac if they announce a windows service?
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why should you buy a mac if they announce a windows service?

even hear of the trojan horse? yeah.

more people using ANY type of Apple product will help to increase the main platform.

say, for example, some windows user is used to the horrible mess that is WMP, Real, etc. they hear about this new service from Apple and decide to give it a try. it works so well, that they start to think "hmm... if this works so well, i wonder what else they have to offer?"

so, the next time they're at the mall, they stop by the Apple Store and play around, something they would never have thought about before.

think about it for a second. seriously. that's the plan.

besides... windows service = more revenue for Apple. you think developers don't care about the financial stability of Apple?
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I wouldn't be surprised if Panther was demoed on a "black box" with unsubtle hints about 64 bit compatibility... but no DIRECT mention of the 970.

Why? Hardware isn't the point of the WWDC but a little tease of 64 bit hardware will turn the attendees to jelly.

The actual introduction of Apple's 64 bit hardware will be by special event and only when the computers are actually ready to ship.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Panther was demoed on a "black box" with unsubtle hints about 64 bit compatibility... but no DIRECT mention of the 970.

Why? Hardware isn't the point of the WWDC but a little tease of 64 bit hardware will turn the attendees to jelly.

The actual introduction of Apple's 64 bit hardware will be by special event and only when the computers are actually ready to ship.

you're probably right i can just see SJ lifting a black cloth from a mystery cube shaped box to reveal (gasps)......a black cube and telling us he can't talk about it yet.
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post #19 of 771
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so, the next time they're at the mall, they stop by the Apple Store and play around, something they would never have thought about before. ...

you have a point and i admit your right about this, but it does only work for the usa, because most of the potential music service market is in the rest of the world but there are no so called applestores at all.

wwdc is in 2 months. apple needs more time to show the music industry that their music service is worth gold.

why do you think only apple users have access to this service now? and iirc only the north american users. apple needs this time to "beta test" it, to show it's foolproof, that it works. later in january 2004 wintell-owners can come and try for them selfs. when it doesn't work out before january 2004, the applefaithfull won't burn down cupertino and screaming for job's head... but windows users might...
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you're probably right i can just see SJ lifting a black cloth from a mystery cube shaped box to reveal (gasps)......a black cube and telling us he can't talk about it yet.

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This thread seems to have strayed from its original topic but I guess that means all is well. I believe it's important for Apple to make the service available for Windows before MS comes up with their own (half-assed) service. This may prevent some new Mac sales but it is still revenue, and revenue that will not go to MS.
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I think if we are going to see Panther at WWDC the chances of a 64-bit machine are pretty darn good if it is a fact that panther is a 64-bit OS.


Just a thought?????

If this 64-bit mumblings are true we may see a PowerMac announcement, or if we are lucky they will be available then. That is of course if panther is ahead of schedule and totally ready at WWDC.
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We will hear that the Apple Music store has been running on Panther and the IBM 970 since its launch and has performed flawlessly. That you need that kind of memory (some large amount of GB of RAM) to maintain the DB in memory and perform all the searches.
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No consumer hardware for cert.

I think we will at least see an eMac revision before WWDC.

Probably not during the conference, but certainly before.
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post #26 of 771
If, in addition to the 64-bitness of Panther (and the 970), a full implementation of Clustering (via Rendezvous/IP) is announced, there would be ample reason to prepare developers that then want to write supporting code for legacy macs (including processor upgrade cards) for use as remote cpu render farms, or optimized network sharing.

New iPod game developers might get fresh info on the new models' capabilities.

Inclusion of a FW to USB2 cable with the new iPods also suggests that some developers might get cracking on USB2 support and wider PC-device compatability.

New Bluetooth-enabled tablets or pen-entry systems (Inkwell awaits) might also be a practical addition to the program.

And my personal bet is that "home entertainment hub" devices ranging from the iPod Dock with line-out to full PVR (TiVO buyout rumours notwithstanding) would be the next logical "iDevice" that miscellaneous supporting code might need development on.

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they will realease panther. hopefully 64 bit. as for the emac, they should just dump it from the line, its ugly and slow. who knows, maybe they will offer some offer to the developers and small buisnesses, like buy 2 powermacs and get $500.00 back. jsut speculating here.
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new PowerMac.. (hope not)
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The Power Macs are not only the big image machine for Apple (some will say iMac but complete ad agencies and render farms full of Power Macs are what Apple really cares about) they are the high margin machines as well. Sales of Power Macs have declined steadily for three years now. Price cuts, speed bumps, feature bumps all have done nothing to spur sales. The "waiting for Photoshop or Quark to come out on X" is BS smoke screen crap for we know our power machines suck. Powerbooks are selling cause the coolness factor of the machine makes up for the paltry speed and architecture. Why do you think this is the year of the portable? It's to make up for awful Power Mac sales. Well Wall Street, stockholders and the board want and need a boost to Power Mac sales and they know as well that it cannot happen with the G4. Where am I going with this? WWDC was moved to the Moscone Center for a reason...the Developers conference was moved back a month for a reason. New processor...new Power Mac. It just adds up.
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they will realease panther. hopefully 64 bit. as for the emac, they should just dump it from the line, its ugly and slow. who knows, maybe they will offer some offer to the developers and small buisnesses, like buy 2 powermacs and get $500.00 back. jsut speculating here.

I doubt that. Did you forget the "E" in eMac stands for education? The reason for the eMac is that it's still pretty inExpensive to make for apple to sell to educators.
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The Power Macs are not only the big image machine for Apple (some will say iMac but complete ad agencies and render farms full of Power Macs are what Apple really cares about) they are the high margin machines as well. Sales of Power Macs have declined steadily for three years now. Price cuts, speed bumps, feature bumps all have done nothing to spur sales. The "waiting for Photoshop or Quark to come out on X" is BS smoke screen crap for we know our power machines suck. Powerbooks are selling cause the coolness factor of the machine makes up for the paltry speed and architecture. Why do you think this is the year of the portable? It's to make up for awful Power Mac sales. Well Wall Street, stockholders and the board want and need a boost to Power Mac sales and they know as well that it cannot happen with the G4. Where am I going with this? WWDC was moved to the Moscone Center for a reason...the Developers conference was moved back a month for a reason. New processor...new Power Mac. It just adds up.

Let's hope so. I need a seriously competitive (cutting edge 3D machine) PowerMac from Apple soon, or I'll have spend my money on a Dual, or Quad Xeon machine.
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post #32 of 771
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possibly a second revision imac?

Apple knows something we don't (obviously). Their last line of iMacs was dubbed as their "Spring line." Well isn't that funny, since "Summer" starts just before the WWDC. So, yes, we'll likely see a new line of iMacs unveiled at the WWDC among a TON of other goodies.
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Apple knows something we don't (obviously). Their last line of iMacs was dubbed as their "Spring line." Well isn't that funny, since "Summer" starts just before the WWDC. So, yes, we'll likely see a new line of iMacs unveiled at the WWDC among a TON of other goodies.

I think that spring thing was just a comment on what time of year it was and it meant nothing. At least I hope so. I have no use for another small speed increment in a line I have no use for.
I think the iMac is fine now. Announcing a PowerMac at WWDC and then adding 970 iMac's after would help sales. I think one more G4 is a waste of time for Apple. I don't think they (Apple) would likely sell to many at this juncture.
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post #34 of 771
iMac revision B? You must have been sleeping cause ur a few years late on that update...

Anyhoo WWDC 970 is all i hope for and if we don't get it I'm sure some other processor will be announced

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they will realease panther. hopefully 64 bit. as for the emac, they should just dump it from the line, its ugly and slow. who knows, maybe they will offer some offer to the developers and small buisnesses, like buy 2 powermacs and get $500.00 back. jsut speculating here.

Panther yes as for emac thats the most ridiculous comment ever...

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Sorry but umm I don't remember apple ever upgrading there computers every four months...except for that powerbook update but tahts a different story.

No new imac at least not until macworld
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post #35 of 771
Maybe the Airport Base Station will be ratified at WWDC, but I doubt it.
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We'll likely see a new line of iMacs unveiled at the WWDC among a TON of other goodies.

Like what else?
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post #37 of 771
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I think that spring thing was just a comment on what time of year it was and it meant nothing. At least I hope so.

Apprently you don't read Apple's Press Releases.

Link: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2003/feb/04imac.html

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Sorry but umm I don't remember apple ever upgrading there computers every four months...except for that powerbook update but tahts a different story.

No new imac at least not until macworld

If you read the above referenced Press Release, you will see that the current line of iMacs were announced on February 4th. June 23rd minus February 4th = 11 days short of a six month spread.
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post #38 of 771
Is it too early or just plain too obnoxious to start a WWDC countdown? Since the new 970 Powermacs are expected to be announced, I am counting down the days. May as well be obnoxious here as well......

49 days!!!
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You would have to outdo my countdown.
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