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Originally posted by neutrino23
Presumably the 970 will require Panther. Panther will not be available till Septemberish. That would argue that, even if the 970 is annouced in June, it will not be usable till sometime in September.

Apple could probably, and easily, tweak Jagwyre to run on the 970 powermacs for a couple 'o months. That would give us the power we have longed for "some time" now, and the devs a few months to tweak and patch their software for the new os.
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post #202 of 329
Sorry in advance for not being up on the Panther/970 thing, but it was my understanding that the 970 will support Panther's 64-bit architecture but with work with 32-bit systems like Jaguar. Am I babbling incoherently?

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Apple could probably, and easily, tweak Jagwyre to run on the 970 powermacs for a couple 'o months. That would give us the power we have longed for "some time" now, and the devs a few months to tweak and patch their software for the new os.

btw, thanks for the interesting comments back there (although I do agree with Amorph that, whatever you call the 17" AlBook, there's a 3-tired offering and the 15" is the second tier).

-K
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Originally posted by Kabeyun
Sorry in advance for not being up on the Panther/970 thing, but it was my understanding that the 970 will support Panther's 64-bit architecture but with work with 32-bit systems like Jaguar. Am I babbling incoherently?

It will work, but it may take some sort of tweaking. The 970 motherboard will likely have new stuff that requires some "hacks" to the kernal and other areas of the os like drivers. This is not due to the 64bitness of the 970 but because of new features of the machine it self, much like when you see specific versions released "pre-officially" for say the new 17" al-book.
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Originally posted by NETROMac
It will work, but it may take some sort of tweaking. The 970 motherboard will likely have new stuff that requires some "hacks" to the kernal and other areas of the os like drivers. This is not due to the 64bitness of the 970 but because of new features of the machine it self, much like when you see specific versions released "pre-officially" for say the new 17" al-book.

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I just read MacBidouille's benckmark report on the 970 and promtly messed my shorts. If true (if true) I'm one very excited mofo. But I still don't care if the 15" AlBook doesn't have it (which it won't ).

-K
post #205 of 329
Apple's new Edu promo, "Buy a bundle. And get a bundle back" earns you a $300 rebate when buying any laptop, iPod and Canon printer. It runs all the way to Sept. 27th. Seems like they don't expect to have new models until then.

I'm starting to think they're going to hold pat on all Powerbooks until after the back to school shopping season and then go 970 across the board.

12" 1.2 GHz 970, ATi 9000, light up keyboard

15" 1.4 GHz 970, ATi 9600, AL case

17" 1.4 GHz 970, ATi 9600, AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth cards included

This will give the 970 Power Macs a three month lead from their WWDC announcement and still make it "the year of the laptop."
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post #206 of 329
So it's *confirmed* then. The new PowerBooks are going to be introduced at a special event monday october 29. Better mark our iCals and start saving straight away. Oh, forgot. Already saving up for the new powermacs
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Sadly, that timeline makes pretty good sense, except that it's hard to accept the same 15" TiBook sitting around for almost a year.

If the smaller-die (i.e. 90 nm) process 970 is used in these, we could possibly see speeds higher than 1.4, though.
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post #208 of 329
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Sadly, that timeline makes pretty good sense, except that it's hard to accept the same 15" TiBook sitting around for almost a year.

You mean almost half-a-year
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I am assuming the "28 June 2003" is a typo for 28 MAY 2003...but anyway, saving face the PowerPage writes....

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Where is the Aluminum PowerBook 15-Inch?
Friday, May 30, 2003
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The 28 June 2003 potential launch date for the new Aluminum PowerBook 15-inch has come and gone without an announcement, so it appears that there is still enough inventory of existing Titanium PB15s to justify the delay. The big question now becomes timing. Will Steve Jobs wait until WWDC (23-26 June) and break his vow of "not announcing products at WWDC?" Tough to say. The PowerPage is betting on a special event between now and then, Friday the 13th anyone?

Biggest questions are the feature set on the new PB15:

Assumed:
Aluminum enclosure, Bluetooth, AirPort Extreme with antennas in the LCD bezel and FireWire 800.

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15.4-inch display? (likely), video card? (TBD), Ambient lighting? (not likely), Faster than 1GHz? (not unless they bump the PB17 too - unlikely), PPC970? (not a prayer).

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post #210 of 329
anyone else remove powerpage from their bookmarks? i did, they are getting just to "non believable" to me. that and every article is about a nokia product.and the times you do care to comment on a story there posting scheme always seems to be down.
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Originally posted by fred_lj
Sadly, that timeline makes pretty good sense, except that it's hard to accept the same 15" TiBook sitting around for almost a year.

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Originally posted by NETROMac
You mean almost half-a-year

No, almost a full year. The current 15" was introduced in October of 2002.

I just keep thinking why haven't they updated it yet? And I think it's because they're going to update all three at once and they can't do that until September becaue of the 970 Power Mac launch in three weeks. The new Edu rebate lends support to this theory.

Yes, Fred, maybe the .09 part will allow for speeds beyond 1.4, but I'm sure that will have to wait for the rev. B in early 2004.
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post #214 of 329
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Originally posted by NETROMac
It will work, but it may take some sort of tweaking. The 970 motherboard will likely have new stuff that requires some "hacks" to the kernal and other areas of the os like drivers. This is not due to the 64bitness of the 970 but because of new features of the machine it self, much like when you see specific versions released "pre-officially" for say the new 17" al-book.

Hmm. Forgot about that. The OS needs to be modified not just for the CPU but for all the other items on the motherboard as well. Presumably if those go into 10.2.x they can easily carry over into Panther.
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post #215 of 329
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Hmm. Forgot about that. The OS needs to be modified not just for the CPU but for all the other items on the motherboard as well. Presumably if those go into 10.2.x they can easily carry over into Panther.

Or modifications made to panther can easily be carried over to jaguar if that is needed, and hopefully if will be if the new powermacs are in production right now.
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Apple's new Edu promo, "Buy a bundle. And get a bundle back" earns you a $300 rebate when buying any laptop, iPod and Canon printer. It runs all the way to Sept. 27th. Seems like they don't expect to have new models until then.

I'm starting to think they're going to hold pat on all Powerbooks until after the back to school shopping season and then go 970 across the board.

12" 1.2 GHz 970, ATi 9000, light up keyboard

15" 1.4 GHz 970, ATi 9600, AL case

17" 1.4 GHz 970, ATi 9600, AirPort Extreme and Bluetooth cards included

This will give the 970 Power Macs a three month lead from their WWDC announcement and still make it "the year of the laptop."

Unfortunately, this is so. Although this dims hope for a spring/summer 15" AlBoook release date, there still is a chance, man! OK, work with me here.....

What if, just if, the education promo WOULD carry over the release of the new AlBook, but the special discount would not extend to the general public? They'd look (even more) pro-education but still charge full price for the new toy.

All right, I didn't say it was a good chance... \

-K
post #217 of 329
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Originally posted by Kabeyun
Unfortunately, this is so. Although this dims hope for a spring/summer 15" AlBoook release date, there still is a chance, man! OK, work with me here.....

What if, just if, the education promo WOULD carry over the release of the new AlBook, but the special discount would not extend to the general public? They'd look (even more) pro-education but still charge full price for the new toy.

All right, I didn't say it was a good chance... \

-K

I just find it hard to imagine Apple will go nearly a year without refreshing the 15 inch PB.

Also, the EDU promotion is not tied to any particular laptop so I don't see why it couldn't be applied to the new PB as well.
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Also, the EDU promotion is not tied to any particular laptop so I don't see why it couldn't be applied to the new PB as well.

They wouldn't need to have a promo for new laptops, hence no new models until the promo expires.
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post #219 of 329
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Originally posted by Ensign Pulver
They wouldn't need to have a promo for new laptops, hence no new models until the promo expires.

you're probably right about this one. Apple is obviously trying to get rid of as many laptops as they can before they introduce the 970 powerbook. After that, I can't imagine anyone with their senses intact will purchase an "old" G4 powerbook witout it getting MAJOR price cuts.
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Originally posted by AirSluf
I don't think this is a clear out the inventory promo, it's too long. This is more like get as many Apple laptops and more importantly iPods into kids hands as possible before the new school year gets fully underway. The rebate actually just adds a $200 rebate (until 27 Sept) on the iPod on top of the current $100 printer rebate (which expires 28 June). It also says you need a student ID or letter of acceptance--that pretty much limits the audience if it was for an inventory blow-out.

A few good points there AirSluf So with the promo lasting so long, and with so few people actually in the promo target group, could Apple release new hardware and still make people use the promo? Maybe. And it doesn't sound like a very "expensive" promo for Apple either. Their main target right now has to be to get as many computers out there as possible.
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post #222 of 329
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Originally posted by neutrino23
I just find it hard to imagine Apple will go nearly a year without refreshing the 15 inch PB.

Also, the EDU promotion is not tied to any particular laptop so I don't see why it couldn't be applied to the new PB as well.

Now THAT's what my desperate eyes wanted to see!

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They wouldn't need to have a promo for new laptops, hence no new models until the promo expires.

I appreciate your trying to be realistic about it, and I agree with the sentiment to a limited extent. However, the 12" and especially the 17" with its shipping delays are essentially new laptops. Hard to argue that the promo wouldn't apply to new hardware when it does apply to 2/3 of the PowerBook line (and the upgraded iBook as well - the offer refers to "any laptop").

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I don't think this is a clear out the inventory promo, it's too long.

Not only that, but if the promo were only to sell down inventory, why isn't it a 15" TiBook sale? With the new AlBooks, the new iPods, and the newish iBook as qualifying hardware, the promo mostly includes NEW devices. I'm not yet convinced that this deal rules out the new 15" AlBook before September.

-K
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I'm not yet convinced that this deal rules out the new 15" AlBook before September.

I don't think it rules out anything. I (now) think this promotion was made just to sell more hardware, and is "completely" unrelated to any future product introduction.

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http//www.kodawarisan.com/ug now predicts the middle of June for the Al 15" intro. This same site had earlier said the end of May. I'm still hoping for a PPC970! Or at least a 7457!
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Price drop!

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPL...ts/AppleStore/

Oh, and hi.

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Hi and welcome. Yepp, seems like it. There's a whole thread about it here
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post #227 of 329
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Hi and welcome. Yepp, seems like it. There's a whole thread about it here

Oops, didn't see that, but I'm wondering, as everyone in this thread must be, does this signal something for future hardware? Since the 12" and 15" Pbooks are pretty much Apple's hottest selling machines right now, they don't have any really compelling reason to lower prices, except maybe to clear the channel for something else?

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post #228 of 329
Or maybe they are just trying to sell more powerbooks. But historically, price-cuts at the end of a product cycle often means new products coming up, and Apple wanting to clear the channel.
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I'm confused, where did the $700 in savings come form again?
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Very pleased about the "quiet" price drops.
Just like to give a shout out to the other optimists in here when dour ol' Pulver broke the promo news (to whit, neutrino & Airsluf): Right on!
jk, Ensign Pulver. I'm sure you're just as mouth-frothy as the rest of us.

A price-drop-to-new-product lead time of a month or so seems about right, eh?

-K
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Ensign Pulver. I'm sure you're just as mouth-frothy as the rest of us.

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post #234 of 329
Hi

I just got an e-mail from one of 'mac shops' here, and they are saying that new powerbooks will be introduced in July.

I don't know if these pumpkins know more than we do, but otherwise why saying so?

Their main line was, if you need a powerbook running os9, get it now!.

We'll see soon i guess

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Hi

I just got an e-mail from one of 'mac shops' here, and they are saying that new powerbooks will be introduced in July.

I don't know if these pumpkins know more than we do, but otherwise why saying so?

Their main line was, if you need a powerbook running os9, get it now!.

We'll see soon i guess

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What country? Was it an Apple Store or an independent?
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post #236 of 329
Small Dog ( http://www.smalldog.com/category/x/x...g102/wag10002/ ) and a few other sites are showing a 7-10 day wait for the recently price dropped Powerbooks.

I am guessing the price drop was done soley to get rid of the last of the invetory before next weeks possible new product launch. If we are lucky the lower prices will remain with the new models.
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post #237 of 329
The Apple Online store says "same day" as the shipping time. I really don't know what apple would put into an updated PowerBook right now. The G4 is to hot at over 1Ghz, the 970 isn't quite ready yet, and the 7457, as far as I know, isn't ready either. I really believe its going to be a few more months before we see an update.
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What country? Was it an Apple Store or an independent?

Toronto, Canada.

And these guys are good, not pushy sales bastards, so i tend to believe them.

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The Apple Online store says "same day" as the shipping time. I really don't know what apple would put into an updated PowerBook right now. The G4 is to hot at over 1Ghz, the 970 isn't quite ready yet, and the 7457, as far as I know, isn't ready either. I really believe its going to be a few more months before we see an update.

Musings to this end have occurred previously in this forum (read: scoll back, dude). Possibilities include but are not limited to: better structural integrity of the aluminum (Br: aluminium) case, upgraded VPU, Bluetooth, AirPort Extreme, FireWire 800, use of DDR RAM, and the neato-o bluelit keyboard.

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Ti is better...

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