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Originally posted by DHagan4755
The last revision was Wednesday, November 6, 2002, and this coming Tuesday would make the current 15-inch PowerBook exactly six months old.

Boy, how times flies! Bring on the 970 PowerBooks already!

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post #42 of 329
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Originally posted by gar
this was at MacWhisper as you probally already knew:

I don't think I believe it. But in a month or so we'll see. And then we can either mark MacWhispers up as the best ever, or slag them off as another MOSR.
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Originally posted by hasapi
Further information from MacBidoulle suggests we may indeed see a 970 PB 15.4 and very quickly see both the 12/17 updated to this processor.

This isn't going to happen. The 12" G4 runs hot enough already, with a 970 you're going to buring yourself on it.

I also don't believe Apple has ever put a chip upgrade in a PowerBook with the same case design as the earlier model.
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Originally posted by Clive
This isn't going to happen. The 12" G4 runs hot enough already, with a 970 you're going to buring yourself on it.

I also don't believe Apple has ever put a chip upgrade in a PowerBook with the same case design as the earlier model.

yes they did:
pb3400 with a 180-240 Mhz ppc 603e processor
pb3500 aka kanga aka (original) powerbook G3 with a 250Mhz G3
so i don't see why they won't do it, if they could?
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Originally posted by gar
yes they did:
pb3400 with a 180-240 Mhz ppc 603e processor
pb3500 aka kanga aka (original) powerbook G3 with a 250Mhz G3
so i don't see why they won't do it, if they could?

I've never heard of a PB3500, do you have some reference on it? As far as I remember the cases for the 3400 and the PBG3 were similar (as was the 1400 and 5300), but subtley different.

I think that Apple's had in excess of 20 PowerBook models, that you can come up with one example (unverified) where the case wasn't changed speaks volumes in itself.

I think you also have to bear in mind that Apple has been using case revisions to distinguish models - pretty much since the B&W G3 (ie the same basic case has been in use since th beginning of 1999, but there have been three distinctive colours and three distinctive designs in that period (B&W/Graphite/Silver Original/Cyclops/Windtunnel to produce four disticnt cases).

Given that the 970 is going to be such a big deal I think it's obvious that any PowerBook models will have new cases (I don't think many people believe that 970-based towers will not have new cases).

The weight of cricumstancial and historical evidence is against a 970 PB coming out in any case that is in circulation today.

You're free to believe whatever you like though.
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post #46 of 329
Oh, the Englishmen.

See the "Macbidouille/970 in May" thread in FH (the third page I believe) for links to prove Apple did this with the very first PowerBook G3 -- it was in the exact case as the then-quite-new PowerBook 3400.

And...as you'll see in the thread...it came out BEFORE the PowerMac G3. We'll see; it doesn't really matter anyway. We're getting them before Christmas I'm sure. 8)
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post #47 of 329
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Originally posted by Clive
I've never heard of a PB3500, do you have some reference on it? As far as I remember the cases for the 3400 and the PBG3 were similar (as was the 1400 and 5300), but subtley different.

well, the 1400 and 5300 where completely different exept for the processor, different story the pb3500 was a name of the powerbook G3
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I think that Apple's had in excess of 20 PowerBook models, that you can come up with one example (unverified) where the case wasn't changed speaks volumes in itself.

but there were less case changes than powerbook models so i could came op with more, because a processor upgrade won't count and a skip from a 68020 to a 68030 processor won't be enough iyho.
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I think you also have to bear in mind that Apple has been using case revisions to distinguish models - pretty much since the B&W G3 (ie the same basic case has been in use since th beginning of 1999, but there have been three distinctive colours and three distinctive designs in that period (B&W/Graphite/Silver Original/Cyclops/Windtunnel to produce four disticnt cases).

actually i was thinking of the powermac 8100/8500/9500 which had different processors (601/604) and same housing. or the 7500/7600/7300/G3 desktops each with a different processor but same housing (601/604/604e/G3)
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Given that the 970 is going to be such a big deal I think it's obvious that any PowerBook models will have new cases (I don't think many people believe that 970-based towers will not have new cases).

wrong about pb and right about pm
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The weight of cricumstancial and historical evidence is against a 970 PB coming out in any case that is in circulation today.

You're free to believe whatever you like though.

history is something for people, people always make the same misstakes etc. etc. it's cyclical. that's something that has nothing to do with case design whatsoever. because doing bussiness is something different than being human. doing bussiness is something about oppertunities and taking oppertunities so if apple has the processor and those beautifull looking powerbooks...
why won't they use them both
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post #48 of 329
Gar, I realy don't know what you're trying to base your argument on. The 5300/1400/3400 all had different cases, I think I already said that, but they were all very similar and probably had many common parts.

I've no idea why you're going on about some old beige Macs all having the same cases, when my point was that since the intro of the B&W in 1999 that change of case style has clearly gone with revisions to towers. As it has with revisions to PowerBooks/iBooks: WallStreet/Bronze/tolet seat/ice/Ti/aluminium.

Apple is clearly using style changes as a marketing tool. You don't really want to argue with that do you?

So based on that, I'd say that any 970 PB will get a new case.

For anyon who wants to rely on MacBidouille as an information source, please note that they are saying that 970s suitable for PowerBooks will be available by the end of the year: http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...threadid=24217

Rather than rely on third-party sites for factual information, why not go to the source: http://www.apple.com/pr/library/1997/november.html

You'll see here that Lowendmac is wrong about the introduction of G3, both the descktops and the PowerBooks were announced 10 November 1997.

You'll also note the the G3 was designed as a low-power chip right from the start - so it should be no surprise that they were able to do a simultaneous announcement. On the other hand leaks about the 970 don't indicate a low-power chip and point towards a reduction in process size in about six months time.
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post #49 of 329
Someone in this thread over at MacRumors claims to have seen the new 15-inch this weekend in a coffee shop being used by a guy with an Apple polo shirt on...

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...5&pagenumber=2
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post #50 of 329
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Originally posted by Clive
Gar, I realy don't know what you're trying to base your argument on. The 5300/1400/3400 all had different cases, I think I already said that, but they were all very similar and probably had many common parts.

read what i wrote, for instance

and yes, style changes are marketing tool, your right. i won't argue that. but i doubt it, they will use that always as a marketing tool since they have already a perfect case design and can market it with a superior chip.
ie there is nothing wrong with the 12" and 17" powerbook as they are, just a new chip and mobo.
we will see what will happen.
i hope for a surprice, and am, as always, chronical optimistic
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post #51 of 329
Judging realistically here, I am pretty well content to conclude that we will not see 970s in PowerBooks until Apple exhausts the current supply of G4s being used currently. I.E., we will have extremely Merry Christmases this year. But I just don't see the 970 popping up, even in a redesigned 15" AlBook. The new case will get a G4 first then (having been set up for the 970) the new proc will make its appearance near the end of October or November, with all new models IN STOCK, ready to light up many a folk's holiday season.

I just have the feeling that the Power Macs will have their day first

But if Steve wants to surprise us all, then so be it. Let the reason for no new TiBook be that it's the killer it could be with a 970 inside.
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post #52 of 329
according to the french (for what it's worth):

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March 2004 (less sure): First presentation of the PPC980, mobile version of the PPC970, probably used to replace PowerBook's G4.

hmmm, i think if this is true, i have to apologize to [edit] clive.
if it turns out he was right about his expectations of apple's portable line till mwsf 2004 (no ibook G4 and no powerbook 970 in 2003) he will get his 10 euro's.

i can wait...
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Originally posted by gar
hmmm, i think if this is true, i have to apologize to vince.
if it turns out he was right about his expectations of apple's portable line till mwsf 2004 (no ibook G4 and no powerbook 970 in 2003) he will get his 10 euro's.

i can wait...

Hey, who's Vince, that's my EUR:10 you're chucking around!

Be realistic about it - we know from experience that PowerBooks need different chips to towers, due to power consumption and heat. I'm not sure amout the first generation G3, they may have had the PPC750 in them, same as the desktops.

If we're being realistic we know that the 970 PBs are going to arrive in 2004, being a little more pessimistic I think they'll not arrive at MWSF - they're still up to a year away.

And that'll be time enough to have a new case. And they will have a new case because marketing will demand it.

If you look back you'll see that the B&W El Capitan only lasted eight months - so it's more than feasible that the aluminium cases could get a revision, or be replaced altogether.

What I think is more likely to happen is: 15" rolled out as top of the line in Jan-March 2004 - with a new case (it won't happen before then - my guess) - the 12" will carry on much as before, perhaps a little cheaper, the 17" will stay the same but with quite a price cut.

You'll then have two G4 PB, and a 970 - but the 970 is going to be priced quite a bit higher to keep down demand and keep selling the G4s. Then, around six months later (MWNY04?) you get 970s across the line for 12/15/17, and later still perhaps G4-based iBooks.
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post #54 of 329
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Originally posted by Clive
Hey, who's Vince, that's my EUR:10 you're chucking around!

sorry, It's yours if you're right and i'm not.

am a little offline today.

read to much these days and mixed up some names, my bad.
(and still i think your a little pessimistic, but we'll see)
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post #55 of 329
The PowerBooks use the same G4 as the towers. The 1Ghz G4 is already very hot! A 1.2Ghz 970 will not use any more Power or be any hotter. The 15" needs an update. The 970 is about ready. Why not go ahead and update the PowerBook to the 970?????? The reason it took the first G4 PowerBook so long to come out is because apple had to perfect the heat problems. They have done that now using metal cases etc. Everyone seems to keep saying no PowerBook 970 until next year, but no one can give me a good reason why. Apple likes to show off and nothing would be more showy than to be the first to release a 64bit laptop!
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The PowerBooks use the same G4 as the towers.

Do they? I always thought they were different chips.

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The 1Ghz G4 is already very hot!

That's the point, my 12" is unusable in closed lid mode - but that could be a fault with it, rather than the whole run. I think the 970 will run hotter, so Apple hasn't solved the heat problem. Also, if they are going to stick the 970 in the PB why is there now mention of a 980 for mobile usage?

Who are the other customers for *mobile* usage?

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Everyone seems to keep saying no PowerBook 970 until next year, but no one can give me a good reason why.

I don't think anyone's given you a good reason why the 970 would be released this year in a Mac either.
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Apple likes to show off and nothing would be more showy than to be the first to release a 64bit laptop!

"Year of the laptop"?
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post #58 of 329
If it has the 970 in it.. it would be cool if they released it in a super shiny metal.. I believe there was a pic floating around of one called the mirror lap top if anyone can find it... ofcourse many would complain about fingerprints but would be more annoying would be my girlfriend bugging me to let her use it as a make up mirror...
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Originally posted by Clive
Do they? I always thought they were different chips.

At least as recently as the previous-generation PowerBooks, they definitely were different chips. The 667/800 chips were lower-voltage and lower-wattage, 1.3V vs 1.6V IIRC and about two-thirds the consumption. I'm not sure about the current line, but I'm sure if Moto were shipping a low-voltage version of the 1.25, we'd have seen that in the 17-inch PowerBook. I suspect the 1GHz is still the fastest low-power G4 available.
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At least as recently as the previous-generation PowerBooks, they definitely were different chips.

Thanks Bruno, I think that's still the case - otherwise, as you indicate, we'd be seeing 1.2/1.4GHz chips in PowerBooks. I can't find any real reference on this though, so if someone wants to point us all in the right direction?
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No update happened this week when people thought it might....inclines me to wonder what could await us later this month or in June. I think if Apple indeed had 1.2 GHz 970s in stock that ran on par (or lower) in terms of heat with the current 1GHz 7450, then they'd do it. Sure, there's a 90nm process chip coming along soon, but get going! With IBM we may have to accustom ourselves to more regular upgrades, meaning that the whole "waiting game" for the "absolute best" is silly.

The non-appearance of the 15"-er, though, tells me Apple's going in an exciting direction.
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post #62 of 329
A PowerBook 3400:



Now a PowerBook 5300:



And the 1400:



Now the 603e-powered Duo 2300c:



Note the slight differences between the 3400 and 5300 - they are very slight. The lower case is essentially the same, except the 5300 is just stubbier and it has a smaller screen. I have seen both in person, and the 3400 is definitely larger, but you can tell that they're based on the same design. One thing that adds to the 3400's bulk is the in-screen speakers. There are speakers in the back on the screen that make it bulge out.

Also, the 68040-powered PowerBook 190 and the 603e-powered PowerBook 5300 used the same case. Then you have the 3400c and the Kanga, which used a slight modification of the 190/5300 case. One could say that the same design carried over all the way from a 68040 machine to a G3 machine.

Note that the 1400's case is different from any of the others. It was nicer, more compact, and it had a really good keyboard (I used to own one). Despite having an 11.3" screen vs. a 12", it seems significantly smaller and sharper.

The entire Duo series used the exact same case, all the way from the Duo 210 (25 MHz 68030, grayscale) through the 2300c (100 MHz 603e, active matrix color).

The "new" Apple has also kept case designs the same even when upgrading the processor, at least when they went from the blue G3 to the PowerMac G4. The color changed but it was the same case.

Overall, I think Apple just changes the case every few years, and they change the processor every few years, and it's usually a good idea to change them at the same time for added effect. Since Jobs came along, it's much more that way - he's been really increasing Apple's publicity. I mean, look at this... people are arguing that the Kanga never even existed, and it's most likely because it was such a quiet upgrade (despite involving a whole new processor). But everyone remembers the Wallstreet.

Compare to the Pismo to Titanium upgrade. Almost nothing changed, other than the screen, case, and processor. The hard drives remained the same, base RAM remained the same, processor speed stayed... but it was still a big update because of the new case AND new processor at the same time.

EDIT: IMHO, there won't be a 970 PowerBook before a 970 PowerMac. It's just wishful thinking.
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Thanks Bruno, I think that's still the case - otherwise, as you indicate, we'd be seeing 1.2/1.4GHz chips in PowerBooks.

From the size of the heatsink in the dual-1.42 towers, I doubt we'll be seeing THAT particular chip in a laptop any time soon, unless Apple plans to return to the days of the 16-pound Macintosh Portable.

This also makes me wonder if chip availability is why we haven't seen an update to the 15-inch PowerBook. Maybe Apple didn't want to overhaul everything just to ship it at the same speed at the old model. At least in recent memory, I can't recall a new model that shipped with the same CPU as the old, even if the bump was only slight (like the iBooks going from 466 to 500MHz). If Moto isn't shipping any low-power chips beyond 1GHz, we may not see a revision to the Ti for a while. (Which is a drag only because I'm ready to buy.)
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The determining factor for 970s in a powerbook is heat and power usage. If power and heat are an issue, I'd say that Apple should use the slowest 970, and underclock it. Even at 1ghz, the 970 still smokes a G4.
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No one would buy the 17" PowerBook if the 15" was more powerful and cheaper.

Then it should be discontinued.
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I agree - discontinue the 17inch and make way for a killer 15 inch...
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That's ridiculous. the 17inch is here to stay. If the 15inch goes 970, then the 17inch will as well, or it will be reduced in price dramatically until a 970 17inch is introduced.
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I agree - discontinue the 17inch and make way for a killer 15 inch...

Heck, a higher resolution 15" would seem more practical to me... it would be nice to have the smaller form factor, but with a comparable resolution. I've been using SXGA+ (1400x1050) 15" displays on my last two notebooks (both Dell Inspirons) and really think OSX could shine on a 15" wsxga screen. My next notebook will probably be a powerbook, and I'd like to get a 15, but I would probably end up getting the 17 if for nothing else but more screen real estate. I'd pay just as much for a 15 with the same power and resolution as a 17.

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Oh man, don't bring up screen resolution around kittylitter!

I don't think Apple will make a significant change in resolution to any of their models. They usually make small changes and they try to be consistent throughout their lineup.
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[B]That's ridiculous. the 17inch is here to stay.

Sure, but Apple's most important Powerbook is the 15 inch.
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Overall, I think Apple just changes the case every few years, and they change the processor every few years, and it's usually a good idea to change them at the same time for added effect. Since Jobs came along, it's much more that way - he's been really increasing Apple's publicity. I mean, look at this... people are arguing that the Kanga never even existed, and it's most likely because it was such a quiet upgrade (despite involving a whole new processor). But everyone remembers the Wallstreet.
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obvious college doesn't make you that stupid...
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Compare to the Pismo to Titanium upgrade. Almost nothing changed, other than the screen, case, and processor. The hard drives remained the same, base RAM remained the same, processor speed stayed... but it was still a big update because of the new case AND new processor at the same time.

that's why i absolutly didn't like the titanium: nothing chainged but the processor and it's shell. back at mwsf 2000, i even thought that the pismo was ment to be the first powerbook G4 but because of the G4 debacle it was delaid at the last moment and introduced in tokio with a G3. (i actually had no problem with the G3 processor what so ever, i had a real problem with the 2 months delay )
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EDIT: IMHO, there won't be a 970 PowerBook before a 970 PowerMac. It's just wishful thinking.

probally you're right, but maybe it is the "... oh, and one more thing...."
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I agree - discontinue the 17inch and make way for a killer 15 inch...

The only reason Apple would kill their new baby is if it is a disaster of Cubic proportions. I've not heard of any bad news regarding sales of the 17".
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Some things have been established already.

First, there is no technical reason that a .13u 970 @1.0-1.2ghz can't be put into a laptop. The heat characteristics and power consumption are equal to or lower than the current .867-1ghz G4 used in the laptop line.

Second, IBM has proven that they will produce virtually anything for you as long as they stand to make a profit from it. They would have absolutely no problem with making low-voltage 1-1.2ghz 970's purely for Apple's consumption.

Thirdly, the recent release of Windows laptops using Pentium M processors has put the current Powerbook line at a distinct disadvantage, in computing power, heat characteristics, and battery consumption. Apple must keep their laptop line competitive since it's their only worthwhile product line at the moment.

Another plus of moving to the 970 asap is that iBooks will be able to use the 7447 G4's immediately when they become available, making the iBooks into extremely competitive budget laptops instead of sorta competitive like they are now. All these reasons combined point to the release of 970 Powerbooks sooner rather than later, as in as soon as 970's are available in quantity for Apple to use. It's just common sense.
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Another plus of moving to the 970 asap is that iBooks will be able to use the 7447 G4's immediately when they become available, making the iBooks into extremely competitive budget laptops instead of sorta competitive like they are now. All these reasons combined point to the release of 970 Powerbooks sooner rather than later, as in as soon as 970's are available in quantity for Apple to use. It's just common sense.

Prediction: Apple will be using all IBM parts by year's end. The G3 Gobi should be on par with whatever Moto has at that time. No reason to be wading in the mud with a G4 Powerbook when you could be well off using a 970 Powerbook instead. Why is Apple holding off on the 15" PB redesign? Lots of stuff on the platter is my best guess. You can only redesign so much before it becomes a waste of time. Think of it this way - you have a really efficient, powerful V6 engine you are plopping in a particular model of car. Ok, now the masses want bigger and faster, and some want more efficient. Ala, the 12" and 17" Powerbooks. Give it to them. Apple does listen, despite what people may say. They are also aware of cost. Very aware. And that is why you will continue to see unified hardware across a line as much as possible. It makes no sense to have an odd-duck in the middle of a lineup, so I am wagering that Apple will be doing a 970 switch in all Powerbooks, eMacs, Powermacs and xServes by year end. As for the iBook - Gobi.

Despite the fact that the past shows that sticking with 1 processor manufacturer is a bad idea, at this point in time, I think it wise for Apple to bid farewell to Moto and go with a manufacturer with vision, money and balls to strike a deal with Apple. Let's face it - 3% market share is a lot of systems, but small in comparison to the other 97%. I think with Apple wanting to go dual, quad and higher with the xStations, that will be a bit more CPUs that IBM will sell them, than if they were a single CPU system designer.
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Originally posted by hotboxd
Some things have been established already.

First, there is no technical reason that a .13u 970 @1.0-1.2ghz can't be put into a laptop. The heat characteristics and power consumption are equal to or lower than the current .867-1ghz G4 used in the laptop line.

Second, IBM has proven that they will produce virtually anything for you as long as they stand to make a profit from it. They would have absolutely no problem with making low-voltage 1-1.2ghz 970's purely for Apple's consumption.

Thirdly, the recent release of Windows laptops using Pentium M processors has put the current Powerbook line at a distinct disadvantage, in computing power, heat characteristics, and battery consumption. Apple must keep their laptop line competitive since it's their only worthwhile product line at the moment.

Another plus of moving to the 970 asap is that iBooks will be able to use the 7447 G4's immediately when they become available, making the iBooks into extremely competitive budget laptops instead of sorta competitive like they are now. All these reasons combined point to the release of 970 Powerbooks sooner rather than later, as in as soon as 970's are available in quantity for Apple to use. It's just common sense.

Right, this is what I have been saying. The PowerBook needs an update. The 1Ghz G4 is about as fast as I think we are going to get with a .19µ chip. Since the .13µ 7457 is not coming out until next year, it is obvious that the PowerBook will get the 970 first. Just look toward the 1.42Ghz towers with those huge heat sinks!!!! Do you really think that the PowerBook is going to be able to go any faster on a G4???? I believe that the .13µ 970 will not use anymore power than a similarly clocked G4 and most likely it will use less power.

I think people are so stuck in the past, back when the original G4 powerbook took so long to come out, so people believe it will take a long time again. The only problem is that this is a completely different situation. Plus, I am going to buy the next PowerBook that comes out, and I am hoping it is a 970!
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[Shameless TiBook Plug] Gazing upon my beautiful TiBook, lit in the glow of the one soft incandescent light in my dorm, with its unbelievably thin screen, stylish translucent keyboard (the last with the classic professional printing; none of that kiddish font), and sleek metallic finish, I just can't help but be sad that it may be supplanted by a boring aluminum design. I saw a 12" in person the other day for the first time; it didn't strike me as being as beautiful; just felt cold.

Wouldn't it be funny to see the 970 debut in the old Titanium case --- hahahahahah!

Wow, what just came over me? I just think my TiBook's so purrty; it's not going anywhere, even if the 970 rolls around. Meaning, that it won't be e-bayed to support a 970 PB, I'll just save like the dickens to have both in my name!! TiBook's got class.
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Man, I've got a switcher all lined up for a SuperDrive 1 Ghz TiBook from the Cal Poly bookstore for $1899...but the AlBook is a lingering thought...
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Then it should be discontinued.

No, the 17" will be cheaper than the 15" - if, and big if, the 970 goes in it before the 17".

They aren't going to dicontinue something they only just released. But then I don't think you're going to see a 970 PB this year anyway.
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Originally posted by fred_lj
[Shameless TiBook Plug] Gazing upon my beautiful TiBook, lit in the glow of the one soft incandescent light in my dorm, with its unbelievably thin screen, stylish translucent keyboard (the last with the classic professional printing; none of that kiddish font), and sleek metallic finish, I just can't help but be sad that it may be supplanted by a boring aluminum design. I saw a 12" in person the other day for the first time; it didn't strike me as being as beautiful; just felt cold.

Wouldn't it be funny to see the 970 debut in the old Titanium case --- hahahahahah!

Wow, what just came over me? I just think my TiBook's so purrty; it's not going anywhere, even if the 970 rolls around. Meaning, that it won't be e-bayed to support a 970 PB, I'll just save like the dickens to have both in my name!! TiBook's got class.

Man, I know exactly how you feel. Was thinking the same only yesterday. The Alubooks just dont have the same depth and detail. The 'Gestalt' just isnt there for me. Ti books are elegant.
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