New Laptop model on October 15th.

I doubt that.

I think if there is something new it will be presented in the next expo, in the beginning of January.

But lets' see... 15 is in less than two weeks

*crosses fingers*

If I had a nickel everytime someone said just wait two more weeks....well then I would just have a lot of nickels.

But what the hay...i'll bite. Two weeks it is!! Here's hoping <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

[ 10-03-2002: Message edited by: trailmaster308 ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by iHack:
<strong>I doubt that.

I think if there is something new it will be presented in the next expo, in the beginning of January.

But lets' see... 15 is in less than two weeks </strong><hr></blockquote>

No. The tibook is past it's 6 months update cycle and 2nd Apple doesn't use Expos for a lot of releases any longer. Oct 15th ends one of Apple's promos as I said in another thread.

Fingers crossed here as well, money ready.

[quote]Originally posted by alfredh:
<strong>I wanted to buy a laptop from our Apple Sales rep and he told me to hold off until October 15th. He said apple has lots of new things to announce over the comming months and that October would be the one for laptops.
This was the same guy who, way back in June, told me that my ibook performance problems would be solved in August but Jaguar was released and not a better book!
Just food for thought.

Alf.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Not that this guy knows anything, but did he happen to mention the specs of these new machines?

Hey! Isn't IBM supposed to unveil something on Oct. 15? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Well, if it's any indication; USC students/teachers can buy the current Powerbooks right now for 400-500 off the EDUCATIONAL price.

[quote]Originally posted by Nebrie:
<strong>Well, if it's any indication; USC students/teachers can buy the current Powerbooks right now for 400-500 off the EDUCATIONAL price.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Okay thats the sign I have been waiting for. Anyone here at USC?

Is this the same sales rep that said new displays were coming in a week....a month ago?

Okay. Now I have been looking for it at the edu apple store for USC and their own Apple store. All 667 are in the 2250-2350 range.

Where did you hear about it being 400 lower?

My neice has been waiting for 4 weeks for a 14" iBook here in the UK, ordered from John Lewis. They say they are waiting for stock from Apple.

I was told to wait two weeks and I did, and hey, the new 800 Mhz DVI powerbook was released!

I do however think that the a new powerbook will not be released till January.

Fingers crossed anyhow!

I find it odd that an Apple sales person, or any sales person for that matter would tell anyone to wait. Sales reps do not know anything more than the general public knows. Given that, it's in their best interest to sell you a computer TODAY.

Just a thought...

<a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002518" target="_blank">http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=002518</a>

[quote]Originally posted by Anders:
<strong>Okay. Now I have been looking for it at the edu apple store for USC and their own Apple store. All 667 are in the 2250-2350 range.

Where did you hear about it being 400 lower?</strong><hr></blockquote>

it's $400 lower for the low end model and $500 lower for the high end model, which makes them $1899/$2399. You won't find this price on the educational store. They're on flyers around campus (according to a Mac friend who goes to USC) and you have to walk into their Campus Computer Store in the Campus Bookstore to buy it at that price.

About the $1899/$2399 ti books, its all true but only at select west coast campuses. I busted my NY reps chops to get that price at my campus, I was informed that I could could also get this price-but never really followed up- I think I will wait a couple of days until the new ones are out. COME ON APPLE, THATS WHAT ROCTOBERS all about!

Conventional wisdom suggests a PowerBook G4 refresh is almost a certainty this month so there's no reason to be alarmed or skeptical.

[quote]Originally posted by Eugene:
<strong>Conventional wisdom suggests a PowerBook G4 refresh is almost a certainty this month so there's no reason to be alarmed or skeptical.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Especially now that Sony ships notebooks with DVD burning capabilities...

The Edinburgh John Lewis has the thickest Vaio back to back in the display cabinet with the TiBook. Quite a difference.

Sales reps might not want to a) sell you a computer they don't have (if they're backordered) or b) annoy you by selling you stuff that will be updated in 2 weeks.

Same with John Lewis in Oxford st.. The size difference between the big Viao with the 16" screen and Powerbook is quite amazing. The Sony is one obese slob compared to the Titianium supermodel...... (7 kg or something fully loaded...Ouch...!)

It would be nice if Apple made a third line of 'Books, like the i/e/Powermac.....

Here's hoping for:
an iBook 13.3" 1280x960 - middle size between the current two iBooks
an eBook 10.4" 1024x768 - sort of like <a href="http://www.dynamism.com/r1/index.shtml" target="_blank">this</a> ( <a href="http://www.dynamism.com/r1/gallery.shtml" target="_blank">gallery</a> ), but friendlier-looking; or <a href="http://www.dynamism.com/srx7/index.shtml" target="_blank">Sony's</a> <a href="http://www.dynamism.com/srx7/gallery.shtml" target="_blank">version</a>
a Powerbook 15.1" 1450x966 - same as now but with Supadrive

Jet

[ 10-04-2002: Message edited by: Jet Powers ]</p>

Well I went to my campus computer outlet, and checked out the powerbooks. They are on sale at 400 off the high end, 200 off the low end. I know the sales dude there pretty well and I told him I was considering the low end. "No, you're going to wait a few weeks," he said. I told him I didn't care about a superdrive, I don't need one, so he says, "maybe so, but wouldn't an extra CPU be worth a couple weeks and a couple hundred to you?"

That's all he would say. He changed the subject to the new Powermacs and Apple's focus on dual CPUs as a last-ditch effort to distract attention from the performance gap. It's all good to me, since I'm not going to be buying a Powermac anytime soon, but I wanted to test him and see if I'd get the "WAIT" lecture or not. Sure enough, I got it.

Dual G4 Powerbooks? Does that give everyone woodies or no? If Apple could find a way to package dual G4s into a Powerbook, even if it were thicker than the current ones, well it would be a remarkable laptop and just thinking about running OS X on such a Powerbook sends chills down my spine.

Here's to hope!

The best part would be watching the battey indicator draining so fast you could actually watch....100, 99, 98, 97.....

Jet

Nah Apple wouldn't put dual procs in the Powerbook unless they knew they could keep em chilled enough to not be a problem. That being said, I wouldn't doubt if they figured out how to do it, especially since they could probably add a nice heatsink that would encase both chips like many videocards have w/o making it too terribly think. Worst case scenario the new PBooks may be a whole .5" thicker, but if they jump to dual proc 800/933 or better and also get the XServe style boost, they'll go like hotcakes.

So long as the price level is maintained too

This "new PowerBook" info is funny. You have campus reps or other "vendors" telling people NOT to buy something for another two weeks. Imagine if the Apple Stores didn't make any sales for 2 weeks!

posted by clonenode:
<strong>This "new PowerBook" info is funny. You have campus reps or other "vendors" telling people NOT to buy something for another two weeks. Imagine if the Apple Stores didn't make any sales for 2 weeks!</strong>[/QUOTE]

After giving this subject further thought, the only reason I could see a sales person doing this is to aviod returns and price adjustments post-release. But this only applies roughly 10 days (according to the Apple store) from the date of purchase. That window opens up tomorrow. Other stores may have different return policies. Otherwise, it still is kind of hard to imagine someone whose primary goal is selling computers to tell someone to wait.

Okay, I'll bite.

I know there have been rumors of dual G4 PowerBooks for some time, mostly from MacOSRumors, I have always thought it unprobable that Apple could release one.

Personally I would LOVE to have a dual G4 PowerBook. I used my PowerBook more as a portable desktop being plugged in almost all the time. Only when on a plane or for presentations would I use the battery. In fact, with my Wallstreet, I kept the battery in my bag! Usually I had the zip drive and CD-ROM modules in the laptop. Those along with the PCMCIA video card for a second monitor and I had a great desktop computer I could use at the office, take home or to a client's office. I used my PowerBook G4 in the same manner.

Now I'm ready to buy my next Macintosh and I need the performance of a Desktop. I do architectural work and use ArchiCAD, Electric Image, formZ, Photoshop, etc. I need the horsepower the dual G4 allows. If I could have the power of the current desktop machines in a portable package, it would be irresitable. I would no longer have to debate with myself what was more important - portability or performance.

In fact Electric Image has just been updated to launch two seperate renderers on dual machines for twice the rendering speed. Check out Electric Image Universe 5 (especially all you Lightwave users). <a href="http://www.electricimage.com" target="_blank">http://www.electricimage.com</a>

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[ 10-04-2002: Message edited by: TBoxman ]

[ 10-04-2002: Message edited by: TBoxman ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by Jet Powers:
<strong>The best part would be watching the battey indicator draining so fast you could actually watch....100, 99, 98, 97.....

Jet</strong><hr></blockquote>

How do you think they would deal with battery issues with duals?

My guess is have the second proc "spin down" when the battery is used for power (or at least give the user this option in energy settings--CHUD).

[ 10-04-2002: Message edited by: off/lang ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by Hagen Kirk:
<strong>Nah Apple wouldn't put dual procs in the Powerbook unless they knew they could keep em chilled enough to not be a problem. That being said, I wouldn't doubt if they figured out how to do it, especially since they could probably add a nice heatsink that would encase both chips like many videocards have w/o making it too terribly think. </strong><hr></blockquote>

ALL NEW ALUMINUM Powerbook!!! The case is a giant heatsink with stylish 'grooves'. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

Unlike an employee in a typical computer store who is often paid based on how many comptuers they sell, an employee in a college store is paid a flat rate by the university (who is usually paid by the state) and the employees there are more interested in seeming "cool" than they are with what sells and doesn't sell.

[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>

No. The tibook is past it's 6 months update cycle and 2nd Apple doesn't use Expos for a lot of releases any longer. Oct 15th ends one of Apple's promos as I said in another thread.

Fingers crossed here as well, money ready.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You can say that again - imagine having gone to the Paris Expo for bloody iCal! I would have been so peed off.

Imagine the coverage apple would get if they came out with a dual laptop. .5" thicker, would add alot of battery life. Slightl larger battery, same size screen, and engergy prefs that allow you options to use the dual:

When the 1st starts to max out (4-5hrs)

Never(7hrs of real battery life)

Always(2-3hrs of battery life)

Those would be some neat options to have...specially if they could keep it under 6lbs. - i'd get one...heck i want one now, i just cant afford one for another month or so (stupid part-time jobs only paying $8/hr)

[quote]Originally posted by PB:
<strong>

Especially now that Sony ships notebooks with DVD burning capabilities...</strong><hr></blockquote>

That Sony is also a slender 8 LBS. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

[quote]Originally posted by TBoxman:
<strong>Okay, I'll bite.

I know there have been rumors of dual G4 PowerBooks for some time, mostly from MacOSRumors, I have always thought it unprobable that Apple could release one.

Personally I would LOVE to have a dual G4 PowerBook. I used my PowerBook more as a portable desktop being plugged in almost all the time. Only when on a plane or for presentations would I use the battery. In fact, with my Wallstreet, I kept the battery in my bag! Usually I had the zip drive and CD-ROM modules in the laptop. Those along with the PCMCIA video card for a second monitor and I had a great desktop computer I could use at the office, take home or to a client's office. I used my PowerBook G4 in the same manner.

Now I'm ready to buy my next Macintosh and I need the performance of a Desktop. I do architectural work and use ArchiCAD, Electric Image, formZ, Photoshop, etc. I need the horsepower the dual G4 allows. If I could have the power of the current desktop machines in a portable package, it would be irresitable. I would no longer have to debate with myself what was more important - portability or performance.

In fact Electric Image has just been updated to launch two seperate renderers on dual machines for twice the rendering speed. Check out Electric Image Universe 5 (especially all you Lightwave users). <a href="http://www.electricimage.com" target="_blank">http://www.electricimage.com</a>
</strong><hr></blockquote>

You must really be on the move. I'm thinking about configuring a slick desktop and setting it up as a server/renderbox, so that I can send my files to the render server to be rendered regardless of where I am.

By the way, can I see your stuff? I'm a FormZ tool.

Its about time we put the whole dual processor in powerbooks theory to rest. That is absolutely NOT going to happen in the near future. Not with the current chip designs used by apple. You guys have seen the heat sinks in the powermacs that have dual processors, havent you? They are f'ing huge. Granted apple has great engineers and could get them alot smaller, BUT the kind of heat / size of the beast would be absolutely to large.

*CONFIRMED* NO DUAL PROCESSOR POWERBOOKS

JD: If a rep is feeding you that garbage about powerbooks, not only is he a complete moron, but for you to actually believe him saying "wouldn't an extra CPU be worth a couple weeks and a couple hundred to you?"

Hey JD, did he say "Extra CPU" exactly or did he say "Another CPU" or something along those lines? I ask because if he said something more along the lines of "Another CPU" we might see a new revision of the G4 or perhaps the GPUL, or something else no one has ever heard of.

***CONFIRMED: THERE WILL BE NO GPUL BASED POWERBOOK*** At least not until much later.

Please. &lt;---Hate that smilie but sometimes its handy

[ 10-05-2002: Message edited by: Anders ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by Miami Craig:
<strong>Its about time we put the whole dual processor in powerbooks theory to rest. That is absolutely NOT going to happen in the near future. Not with the current chip designs used by apple. You guys have seen the heat sinks in the powermacs that have dual processors, havent you? They are f'ing huge. Granted apple has great engineers and could get them alot smaller, BUT the kind of heat / size of the beast would be absolutely to large.

*CONFIRMED* NO DUAL PROCESSOR POWERBOOKS

JD: If a rep is feeding you that garbage about powerbooks, not only is he a complete moron, but for you to actually believe him saying "wouldn't an extra CPU be worth a couple weeks and a couple hundred to you?"
</strong><hr></blockquote>

By that reasoning there should never have even been a 667MHz PowerBook... I mean look at the size of the heatsink on the 667MHz PowerMac (they used the same processors...)