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post #121 of 445
10/12/02 at 10:50am
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post #122 of 445
10/12/02 at 12:33pm
[quote]Originally posted by Blackcat:
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I am proof you're wrong.
My Ti800 was 2 weeks old yesterday.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Mine's a whole week older!

I got the stock config, and upped it to 1 GB of RAM and a 60 GB hard drive. I am Master of the portable Mac Universe!
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post #123 of 445
10/12/02 at 3:13pm
I was speaking to the whole market in general.

Obviously a couple people here and there will pay $3500 for a 6 month old product that has not seen even a price reduction let alone a spec improvement, but I can't believe that sales are going as well as they did the first 2 weeks after it's introduction...

I believe that at this point, it's silly to wait for inventory to clear before releasing the upgrade. I understand the business sense of it, but it seems like a better idea to have a ton of people buying the new machine and just take the loss on the old model as opposed to waiting 6-12 months while a very small amount of people very slowly buy up the remaining inventory of current revs.

Even if there is a lot of invetory left, Apple should release the new models, and continue selling the old models at reduced costs.

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post #124 of 445
10/12/02 at 11:11pm
with the "power couple" deal and the "double your ram" deal (both ending Dec 31, 2002), does anyone still think new powerbooks will be coming out in Oct/Nov?

I'm kind of sick of waiting for new models to come out. If nothing comes out after Oct 15, I may just buy a Ti800 or look into a cheap/refurbished Powermac to hold me over. I need to start doing some serious work soon. It's a real shame Apple just doesn't get it. The current models are beyond stale, especially for the price. A simple refresh 1Ghz or 933 Mhz and ATi Radeon Mobility 9000 w/ 64 MB Ram, would have been great. I don't really need the mobile superdrive or bluetooth. Just want some extra raw speed in the processor and video card.

Hope Apple comes to its senses soon...

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post #125 of 445
10/13/02 at 12:33am
&gt;Hope Apple comes to its senses soon...

doubt that will ever happen.....

i bought a 3rd gen ti800 & called support
with a few q's since i was surprised at how hot
it ran......i dont think ive ever met a bigger
bunch of arrogant a**holes in my life.
i love the form factor & stylng but its slightly
slow & badly overpriced....
that coupled with the above service experience
and i would never recomend a pbook to anyone
(btw this is my first & only mac)

an update would be nice & a willingness to
listen to customers who are keeping them afloat
companies with bad service deserve to go down
the tubes (& this applies to all companies)

keep the form factor..bump up the bus & faster
cpu & fix that stupid heating issue & people
will buy it...and lower the price....its ridiculous to expect people to shell out 3700$
in the current economic climate...

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post #126 of 445
10/13/02 at 12:39am
addon to my post above.....

i also bought a sun u10 a year ago & their
follow up service was excellent
(i normally use pc's & bought the u10 & the mac
for specific projects)

sun has the most knowledgeble techs around
(next to oracle)
& the other company that really impressed me
was macwarehouse (the guys i bought the ti800 from)

so surprising that apple has bad service
while their resellers are pretty good
(nb: their store techs arent the brightest bulbs
either)
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post #127 of 445
10/13/02 at 9:30am
[quote]Originally posted by trowa:
<strong>with the "power couple" deal and the "double your ram" deal (both ending Dec 31, 2002), does anyone still think new powerbooks will be coming out in Oct/Nov?
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I've given up on seeing new Powerbooks this year, but those two promotions apply for all Macs. The Power Couple is really just a rebate on the LCDs until they lower the price. If they introduce new Powerbooks, if they don't raise the amount of ram in them, the "double your ram" deal still works just the same as before.
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post #128 of 445
10/13/02 at 12:14pm
[quote]Originally posted by madmax559:
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i bought a 3rd gen ti800 & called support
with a few q's since i was surprised at how hot
it ran......i dont think ive ever met a bigger
bunch of arrogant a**holes in my life.
i love the form factor & stylng but its slightly
slow & badly overpriced....
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Is it seriously as hot and slow as you all say? I'm getting nervous now that I ordered mine... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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post #129 of 445
10/13/02 at 1:01pm
[quote]Originally posted by Jon Rubinstein:
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Is it seriously as hot and slow as you all say? I'm getting nervous now that I ordered mine... <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

From what I've heard, the heat issue on the Powerbook is still nothing compared to many pc laptops....
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post #130 of 445
10/13/02 at 1:47pm
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post #131 of 445
10/14/02 at 10:21am
Of course, this thread has been overshadowed by the other big announcement on the 15th, but I do hope we get new Powerbooks tomorrow, though somehow I doubt we will.

Based upon the new information we have on the 970, do any of you think that it will initially be launched in a Powerbook as well as the Powermacs, or do you think we'll need to wait for an even lighter low power version?
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post #132 of 445
10/14/02 at 11:42am
[quote] Of course, this thread has been overshadowed by the other big announcement on the 15th, but I do hope we get new Powerbooks tomorrow, though somehow I doubt we will.

Based upon the new information we have on the 970, do any of you think that it will initially be launched in a Powerbook as well as the Powermacs, or do you think we'll need to wait for an even lighter low power version? <hr></blockquote>

I think this is a great question. I do not know the answer but maybe history con be our guide. How much time passed between the G4 first appearing in a desktop Mac and it appearing in the Powerbook? I do know the answer but if memory serves me it seems like it was less than a year. I would guess though that we will be lucky to see it in a laptop before next Christmas.
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post #133 of 445
10/14/02 at 11:53am
Apple is either pregnant or not. They're either going to give us faster PowerBooks tomorrow (Oct. 15th) or not. I'm hoping they will. Please, Apple!
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post #134 of 445
10/14/02 at 12:38pm
[quote]They're either going to give us faster PowerBooks tomorrow (Oct. 15th) or not <hr></blockquote>

Good to know Captain Obvious is still alive and well! I thought it had been a while since he made an appearance.
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post #135 of 445
10/14/02 at 1:04pm
[quote]Originally posted by off/lang:
<strong>Of course, this thread has been overshadowed by the other big announcement on the 15th, but I do hope we get new Powerbooks tomorrow, though somehow I doubt we will.

Based upon the new information we have on the 970, do any of you think that it will initially be launched in a Powerbook as well as the Powermacs, or do you think we'll need to wait for an even lighter low power version?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I doubt we will see the powerpc 970 in powerbooks in the initial rollout. I have a feeling these chips will be hot and consume lots of power. I think Apple and IBM will find a way to get a 64 bit PowerPC chip (a lighter variant of the PPC970) into a laptop. I'm pretty sure they will be among the first to do so (or the first to do so).

I have more faith in IBM than Motorola. Even though this news came out before the chips will actually be released, it kind of gives me some confidence that this future IBM and Apple relationship will blossom into something special. Even though they haven't gone into heavy production of the chips, I know that IBM will deliver the goods (unlike Motorola).

*cross fingers* Here's hoping Apple and IBM finally get things rolling and give Intel and AMD a run for its money. Also, here's hoping Apple releases new powerbooks tomorrow

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post #136 of 445
10/14/02 at 1:23pm
With the revelations that the PPC970 is single cored and already at a .13 process, I suspect it will find its way to portables pretty quick. I am hoping that by Spring 2004 we'll have it in the PowerBooks, and I think that's a safe, conservative estimate.
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post #137 of 445
10/14/02 at 2:15pm
here's to hoping for powerbooks tomorrow too! i can't wait! i've been burned by new rev's before, i'm not getting burned this time!!!
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post #138 of 445
10/14/02 at 2:29pm
A little history on Desktop to Portable CPU transitions:

For the G3: in Desktops by Nov 1997, and we saw it half a year later in a powerbook (May 1998)

For the G4 (7400): in desktops by Sept 1999, and we saw it one and a half years later in the TiBook (Jan 01) [OK, well it was really the 7410 in the PBs, but close enough]

For the G4 (7450): in desktops by Jan 01, and we saw it in the TiBook 10 months later (Oct 01)

And, just for reference, of course
For the P4: Introduced for desktops in Nov 00, for notebooks in March 02

Of course, this really means absolutely nothing, because it all depends on how much heat the chip creates. The P4 is a powerplant, whereas the G3 never created much heat or took much energy at all.

So, we'll just have to wait and see what the heat dissipation and power consumptions is like.
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post #139 of 445
10/14/02 at 3:04pm
Do you suppose that if this is true they will update their website at midnight? I'll stay up for sure anyway since I want to be logged into my iTools account when they delete it. I heard somewhere that this will keep it open for free.
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post #140 of 445
10/14/02 at 3:49pm
My 800Mhz PowerBook shipped today. If a new model is released tomorrow, I am going to go nuts. I will call Apple and DEMAND a $300 rebate at the very least. Imagine new models coming out before I even receive mine!

[ 10-14-2002: Message edited by: Jon Rubinstein ]</p>
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post #141 of 445
10/14/02 at 4:09pm
I just spent the last hour reviewing "notebooks" (as they seemed to be called in the PC world) from Sony, Dell, Compaq, Winbook, and Acer. And by god, aside from Sony, who is really trying, the Apple "notebooks" still kick ass. They are the most light, streamline, and feature-loaded without clutter as any notebook out there.

The prices on notebooks are a little cheaper than the Mac (on the high end), but surprisingly not by much! All-in-all, there are feature sacrifices on the PC models which give the nod to the Mac in the end -- like 6-pin firewire, for example (and not the 4-pin Firewire). And in my opinion the clusmy scattered positioning of I/O ports on the PC is downright hideous.

I was thinking about a PC laptop just to fool around with, in case I need to someday need to know Win XP for a future job. But I just can't bring myself to blowing $1,399 + on a laptop that I won't really like, when I can put it into a more graceful, nice Mac. So with all this said, please Apple update the damn PowerBook line tomorrow!!!

[ 10-14-2002: Message edited by: Dave Hagan ]</p>
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post #142 of 445
10/14/02 at 4:12pm
God just spoke to me! He said:

THERE WILL BE NO UPDATE AT MIDNIGHT.
FEEL FREE TO STAY UP, IF YOU LIKE.

His voice was in all caps too, just like that.

Creepy.
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post #143 of 445
10/14/02 at 4:22pm
good call Bauman.

BTW, While we may all hate Moto for one reason or another, let us not forget they are masters at embedded technology. Im sure that had a a lot to do with why we got G4s into such small portables.

Sure, IBM is making amazing low power G3s now, but thats also a tried and true proc that was made 4-5 years ago. The PPC970 is a different beast entirely.
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post #144 of 445
10/14/02 at 4:23pm
[quote]Originally posted by bauman:
<strong>For the G4 (7400): in desktops by Sept 1999, and we saw it one and a half years later in the TiBook (Jan 01) [OK, well it was really the 7410 in the PBs, but close enough]</strong><hr></blockquote>Yes, it was the 7410, which also appeared in the low-end PowerMacs at the same time. So the 7410 was released for laptops and PowerMacs at the same time. It was the first G4 to be manufactured at .18µ.

I don't know of any reason why they couldn't do the same with the new .13µ 970.
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post #145 of 445
10/14/02 at 4:25pm
[quote]Originally posted by Jon Rubinstein:
<strong>My 800Mhz PowerBook shipped today. If a new model is released tomorrow, I am going to go nuts. I will call Apple and DEMAND a $300 rebate at the very least.</strong><hr></blockquote>Yeah, I'm sure that'll work really well.
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post #146 of 445
10/14/02 at 4:39pm
Apple releases 4th quarter earnings on Wednesday, October 16th....is this a good sign or a bad sign for new PowerBooks tomorrow (the 15th)?????
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post #147 of 445
10/14/02 at 4:39pm
[quote]Originally posted by BRussell:
<strong>Yeah, I'm sure that'll work really well.</strong><hr></blockquote>

It will, it's part of their Apple Store policy.
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post #148 of 445
10/14/02 at 7:07pm
[quote]Originally posted by Dave Hagan:
<strong>I was thinking about a PC laptop just to fool around with, in case I need to someday need to know Win XP for a future job. But I just can't bring myself to blowing $1,399 + on a laptop that I won't really like, when I can put it into a more graceful, nice Mac.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Just get Virtual PC with Windows XP Professional. Probably can't play games, but most other software is supposed to work good. Plus, in Virtual PC you can undo any additional software installs if you don't like how they turn out. Much better then regular Win XP.

That's what I'm planning, once these new PBs come out. Already looking forward to logging into the office network from home/coffee shop/etc.
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post #149 of 445
10/14/02 at 7:26pm
[quote]Originally posted by Nebrie:
<strong>It will, it's part of their Apple Store policy.</strong><hr></blockquote>Oh, I guess I missed that $300 rebate policy. Care to provide a link to it?
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post #150 of 445
10/14/02 at 7:33pm
Is the real reason so many people here are hoping for a speed bump is so that they can then pick up the current 800 model for cheaper?
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post #151 of 445
10/14/02 at 7:46pm
[quote]Originally posted by BRussell:
<strong>Oh, I guess I missed that $300 rebate policy. Care to provide a link to it?</strong><hr></blockquote>

<a href="http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/salesrefund.html#Apple%20Prices" target="_blank">http://store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/salesrefund.html#Apple%20Prices</a>

I know of someone who has succesfully used it in that way.
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post #152 of 445
10/14/02 at 9:20pm
It is now October 15th in New York...and nothing. I'll tell you this- the company nerver fails to disapoint. If they think that they have broken me and that now I am gonna settle for a 32 meg video card, and what not for 3 grand-NO WAY. THat IBM 64 bit news was nice-but need I that NOW! Those of you in my same position ya gotta hold out! Off to E-Bay !
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post #153 of 445
10/14/02 at 11:16pm
go to bed, when has apple ever released any machine at midnight? troll country eh....
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post #154 of 445
10/14/02 at 11:58pm
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Its now 9.00am in Frankfurt and the Apple store is still open. I suppose I need to wait for a few hours before kicking myself for believing our Apple contact. How about I get him to meet in a chat room so we can all ask where the new machines (laptops) are.

Damn, Damn, Damn. I could have been using a new ibook my now if I had not listed to him.

Sorry everyone for the false alarm.

Alf. - he turns off his Mac and enrols in a retraining course as a DEC PDP specialist.
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post #155 of 445
10/15/02 at 3:12am
Its now October the 15th!!!! - Please please you have got to believe me - there will NOT be a revision until Feburary next year.
Come on - it aint rocket science to suss out Apple.

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post #156 of 445
10/15/02 at 3:32am
I even got God to speak to me--that didn't sway anyone?
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post #157 of 445
10/15/02 at 4:06am
All of the "quiet" updates have occurred around 9-10:00 AM Eastern Time.
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post #158 of 445
10/15/02 at 6:28am
Crap Crap Crap! No new stuff...

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post #159 of 445
10/15/02 at 10:11am
Instead of new hardware, Apple gives us a picture of Jimmy Carter building houses!

Unbelievable...
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post #160 of 445
10/15/02 at 10:13am


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