New Laptop model on October 15th. - Page 8

[quote]Originally posted by zappa:
<strong>I think that we are gonna have to put a year after oct 15th pretty soon! This is so rediculous!</strong><hr></blockquote>

No it isn't, other titanium powerbooks have had had product cycles go a few months beyond 6 months.

[quote]Originally posted by Escher:
<strong>

I know MacBidouille has posted accurate rumors in the past. But what proves that MacBidouille (or their sources) didn't just mistake a slot-load Combo drive for a slot-load SuperDrive? An official press release would be a lot more credible than this picture.

Escher</strong><hr></blockquote>

That sign in the back that reads DVD Multi Drive (as opposed to combo or DVD-CDRW) seems pretty convincing.

[quote]Originally posted by Mandricard:
<strong>By the way, by the best of my reckoning, the text line at the top says "Magazine spread: preview Placement XXXX (?) for final output."

When and where did you come by this, FormerLurker, O Sleuth Extraordinaire??

Mandricard
AppleOutsider

[ 10-21-2002: Message edited by: Mandricard ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

A link to it was posted to a Mac Admins list I am on. I have no info. as to its veracity, and it looks to have been proven to be a Photoshopped Vaio.

[quote]Originally posted by Escher:
<strong>

I know MacBidouille has posted accurate rumors in the past. But what proves that MacBidouille (or their sources) didn't just mistake a slot-load Combo drive for a slot-load SuperDrive? An official press release would be a lot more credible than this picture.

Escher</strong><hr></blockquote>


EDIT: See message below.

[ 10-24-2002: Message edited by: apple.otaku ]</p>

PowerBook Superdrive Information...


<a href="http://www.zdnet.co.jp/news/0210/03/nj00_pdvd.html" target="_blank">ZDNet Japan Article (Japanese)</a>

Babelfish does a decent translating job on this one. Specifications for both slim tray and slot-loading versions appear to be the same. Write speeds are DVD-R 2x, DVD-RW 1x, DVD-RAM 2x, CD-R 16x and CD-RW 4x. Read speeds are DVD 8x and CD 24x. Availability is said to be toward years' end so November may be a possiblility but it could mean we will have to wait until January. The slim-tray is marked with a production date of July. No indications of a production date on the slot-loading version, probably is just going into production. This could very well be the holdup on new PowerBooks. These will be sold OEM only at first.

KidRed could you cross-post this over on the MacNN "seanyepez" thread for me? Thanks.

[ 10-24-2002: Message edited by: apple.otaku ]</p>

If you guys would be the same effort you do in trying to find out what the next Apple products will be into finding this sniper guy he could have been caught already!

<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

That was, hands down, the weirdest thing I've read all day.

[quote]Originally posted by Producer:
<strong>If you guys would be the same effort you do in trying to find out what the next Apple products will be into finding this sniper guy he could have been caught already!

<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

You might want to learn some geography...

[quote]Originally posted by Producer:
<strong>If you guys would be the same effort you do in trying to find out what the next Apple products will be into finding this sniper guy he could have been caught already!

<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Please don't make light of such a terrible situation.

I think our last hope for new PB's is to wait till the end of the first week of Nov. With the news of the portable superdrive being available in the latter part of the year, it may be possible to see an announcement in early Nov with shipping occuring sometime in late Nov or early Dec. Just in time (barely) for the holiday season.

If we waited this long, what is two more weeks?

If there is no announcement then, I think it is safe to assume that there will be no new PB's till 2003. And we will be forced (for those of us who need to buy PB's) to buy the current models. I won't be a happy camper if that happens, but what can I do.

*all hope is almost lost* but still hoping new PB's arrive in Nov.

take care,

- trowa

[quote]Originally posted by apple.otaku:
<strong>PowerBook Superdrive Information...


<a href="http://www.zdnet.co.jp/news/0210/03/nj00_pdvd.html" target="_blank">ZDNet Japan Article (Japanese)</a>

Babelfish does a decent translating job on this one. Specifications for both slim tray and slot-loading versions appear to be the same. Write speeds are DVD-R 2x, DVD-RW 1x, DVD-RAM 2x, CD-R 16x and CD-RW 4x. Read speeds are DVD 8x and CD 24x. Availability is said to be toward years' end so November may be a possiblility but it could mean we will have to wait until January. The slim-tray is marked with a production date of July. No indications of a production date on the slot-loading version, probably is just going into production. This could very well be the holdup on new PowerBooks. These will be sold OEM only at first.

KidRed could you cross-post this over on the MacNN "seanyepez" thread for me? Thanks.

[ 10-24-2002: Message edited by: apple.otaku ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Done.

Trust the French? (hehe).

<a href="http://www.macplus.org/magplus/article.php?id_article=2659" target="_blank">http://www.macplus.org/magplus/article.php?id_article=2659</a>

Apparently they are releasing a 19inch flat panel, and will use that day to also release Powerbook stuff (or so is the hope). I love how this speculation stuff works. It keeps me from spending money. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

[quote]Originally posted by Producer:
<strong>If you guys would be the same effort you do in trying to find out what the next Apple products will be into finding this sniper guy he could have been caught already!

<img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


BTW: They got him...go to CNN

[quote]Originally posted by sunkist:
<strong>Trust the French? (hehe).

<a href="http://www.macplus.org/magplus/article.php?id_article=2659" target="_blank">http://www.macplus.org/magplus/article.php?id_article=2659</a>

Apparently they are releasing a 19inch flat panel, and will use that day to also release Powerbook stuff (or so is the hope). I love how this speculation stuff works. It keeps me from spending money. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Translation:

"According to our sources, Apple will (finally) release its new 19" flat screen Tuesday, November 5. Possessing a resolution of 1600 x 1024, like the 22", this new 16 by 10 format monitor signals the death of the legendary Cinema Display.

The line of Apple-branded monitors will therefor become 17", 19" and 23" for now.

Our sources indicate that the 19" will not be available through resale channels [? -ed] until December, because of production delays.

In other news, it seems that Apple will also choose November 5 to introduce a new line of PowerBooks.

Prudence and patience."

&lt;rant&gt;We should have nuked the French a long time ago. Those ingrates would still be speaking German if it was not for my father and his generation. &lt;/rant&gt;

As far as PowerBook rumors and 19" displays, I will believe it when I see it. I would personally send a box of croissants to Paris if this turns out to be true.

I have $2500 waiting... just need some specs that don't make me think of giving my laptop some Viagra for its little impotence problem. 667? 800? Am I on candid camera? Hey AAPL- at least give us a break on the price if you are going to give us crappy specs. It would take 1.25 GHz before I would drop $3K on a powerbook. Time for a price drop. <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

[quote]Originally posted by ESFOS:
<strong>&lt;rant&gt;We should have nuked the French a long time ago. Those ingrates would still be speaking German if it was not for my father and his generation. &lt;/rant&gt;

And you'd still have a British accent if it weren't for the French.</strong><hr></blockquote>

[quote]Originally posted by Nebrie:
Originally posted by ESFOS:
&lt;rant&gt;We should have nuked the French a long time ago. Those ingrates would still be speaking German if it was not for my father and his generation. &lt;/rant&gt;

<strong>And you'd still have a British accent if it weren't for the French.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Excellent reply, Nebrie. As a Frenchman living in the US, I have never understood all that petty hostility, on either side.

As for the new PowerBooks, I agree with ESFOS. I'll believe in a 19" Cinema Display and a Ghz PowerBook when I see them <a href="http://store.apple.com/" target="_blank">at the Apple Store</a>. Still, I wonder whether the 17" LCD will remain unchanged and what price a 19" LCD will go for.

Escher

[ 10-24-2002: Message edited by: Escher ]</p>

ok the Snipers have been caught....you may carry on with your Apple speculation now...


as far as the French go...they make great friends once you are friends with then...but they are the ones who are arrogant with americans...they can't except that the world is changing...

As far as the monitor rumor goes...sounds quite possible to me if not probable...Sony has a 23inch that list for $3000 now which has been tempting me...I have seen it street for around $2500 on the net...(pricewatch I think)

Anyway...Anyway so I hope Apple lowers the 23incher to $2500 and then sells it for even less if you by a powerbook/powermac... awe f**** that's still to price...I remember when I bought my dual gigger the retail salesman offered me the 22" for $1900 including the rebate..should have taken it...

I kinda wish Apple would update the look of their monitors though...I am using mine in a music studio and white stands out...I would personally like to see somethin titatium looking...but the Sony is Black front and metal back I believe so that might be the way I go....

I am also wondering if the new powerbooks comeout before January if they will run OS 9? If so they will be the last new product to do so...which may force me to buy it because I may need to run os 9 apps such as KOBLO which will never be ported to OS X (ggggrrrr Digidesgn!!)

oh Sorry if I offended anyone with the Sniper comment...just meant that if we collectively spent all this effort do something productive instead of speculating (which I do as well) we could actually accomplish something meaning full...like kicking some serious sniper ass!!!

Escher-
My last name is Longchamp. Second generation American. I really do not get it much either. Just really tired of how the French govt loves to trash the US and its goals, no matter what they are. <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

[quote]Originally posted by ESFOS:
<strong>&lt;rant&gt;We should have nuked the French a long time ago. Those ingrates would still be speaking German if it was not for my father and his generation. &lt;/rant&gt; </strong><hr></blockquote>

As a Brit I find this totally hilarious, what with the ongoing historical friction with our friends across the channel - but the funny thing is that the joke's on the Yanks here, as someone pointed out, if it weren't for the French...

But also, do you jerks know where that big old Statue of Liberty came from - you got it, it was a present from the French! And you want to insult them!?

Zut Alors! Viva la France.

[quote] &lt;rant&gt;We should have nuked the French a long time ago. Those ingrates would still be speaking German if it was not for my father and his generation. &lt;/rant&gt;<hr></blockquote>
You're russian?

[quote]Originally posted by Clive:
<strong>

As a Brit I find this totally hilarious, what with the ongoing historical friction with our friends across the channel - but the funny thing is that the joke's on the Yanks here, as someone pointed out, if it weren't for the French...

But also, do you jerks know where that big old Statue of Liberty came from - you got it, it was a present from the French! And you want to insult them!?

Zut Alors! Viva la France.</strong><hr></blockquote>

British defending the French!?!?!?!? The apocalypse is upon us.

What do we Americans care? Last I checked we had kicked both your asses then we were nice enough to save both your asses.

But I do like the Spice Girls and berets so I guess we are all even.

[quote]Originally posted by cowerd:
<strong>
You're russian?</strong><hr></blockquote>



This is one of the all-time great ripostes. Good one!

[quote] What do we Americans care? Last I checked we had kicked both your asses then we were nice enough to save both your asses. <hr></blockquote>

What? Do you mean that period of time when WWII was occuring and the US believed that it didn't affect them so they sat on their hands while Europe was being strangled by the then German War Machine? Hmm, I wonder how many 10's-100's of thousands of people would have lived if they participated earlier, instead of letting the UK and the remainder of Europe to deal with the threat.

Thought so...

The bloody French eh? Eh? And those pansy-assed Brits, I don't know.

Don't they realise that when the Americans weighed in and helped tip the balance of the Second World War, they Americans won the right to have every single misplaced foreign policy idea and hypocritical statement applauded? In perpetuity? Meh.

Don't know what this has to do with Future Hardware any more.

Maybe a firewall?

[quote]Originally posted by ZoranS:
<strong>

What? Do you mean that period of time when WWII was occuring and the US believed that it didn't affect them so they sat on their hands while Europe was being strangled by the then German War Machine? Hmm, I wonder how many 10's-100's of thousands of people would have lived if they participated earlier, instead of letting the UK and the remainder of Europe to deal with the threat.

Thought so...</strong><hr></blockquote>

What ifs don't do anybody any good. What if Chamberlain hadn't basically given Poland to the Nazis? What if France had invested more resources in training and equiping their military, instead of building an expensive immobile defensive line?

What if Apple had actually released the new PBs on October 15th? This thread never would have gotten so far off topic if those damn PBs were already out.

At least some people here have a sense of irony - I can't believe the Yanks really believe that they saved the world by turning up three years late, for a war, not once, but twice (WW1 & WWII).

And the French are backwards? Oh, right, they just changed their entire monetry system to integrate with most of the EU. The Americans can't even deal with coloured banknotes.

[quote]Originally posted by Clive:
<strong>At least some people here have a sense of irony - I can't believe the Yanks really believe that they saved the world by turning up three years late, for a war, not once, but twice (WW1 & WWII).

And the French are backwards? Oh, right, they just changed their entire monetry system to integrate with most of the EU. The Americans can't even deal with coloured banknotes.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm not gonna argue any point or take sides, but the US without a doubt *did* save the world twice and will probably do so again. Not yankee arrogance, just fact.

Hey kids, Fireside Chat is the big noisy room down the hall. This thread is about new PowerBook models.

Merci beaucoup.

[quote]Originally posted by ZoranS:
<strong>What? Do you mean that period of time when WWII was occuring and the US believed that it didn't affect them so they sat on their hands while Europe was being strangled by the then German War Machine? Hmm, I wonder how many 10's-100's of thousands of people would have lived if they participated earlier, instead of letting the UK and the remainder of Europe to deal with the threat.</strong><hr></blockquote>
This response is in two parts.

Part 1:

The US did not sit on its hands for the first three years of WWII. It did, in fact, sell huge amounts of military supplies and materials to the British, then charged the bejesus out of them. We took back any British-owned property in the US, took over any British-owned companies in the US, and took vast sums from the British government's bank accounts. We're capitalists above all else.

Part 2:

Get this thread back on topic or feel the back of my moderating hand, people.

Ahem.

That is all.

[quote]Originally posted by Amorph:
<strong>Hey kids, Fireside Chat is the big noisy room down the hall. This thread is about new PowerBook models.

Merci beaucoup. </strong><hr></blockquote>

well unless they are talking about october 15th 2003, this thread should be closed.....

you all waited and got screwed... sucks to be you.

[quote]Originally posted by ZoranS:
<strong>

Hmm, I wonder how many 10's-100's of thousands of people would have lived if they participated earlier, instead of letting the UK and the remainder of Europe to deal with the threat.
</strong><hr></blockquote>

If it happened again today we would be there for them from the very start. It's just that the French would not allow us to use their airspace.



Seriously though, whenever we get involved everyone complains about it. Whenever we stay out of it everyone complains about it. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. The US is the world's whipping post I guess. The road to hell is paved with good intentions. I never understood that quote when I was younger but I sure do now.

Anyway, back to the subject...

Now we must wait for another deadline, this time November 5th. Its so close to January it makes me wonder. Again I must ask what the big deal about adding Bluetooth is. Most rumors say a Superdrive will be included but Bluetooth will not. I don't really care about Bluetooth but what could be so difficult about integrating it? They have had over a year to do so. What gives?

[ 10-25-2002: Message edited by: apple.otaku ]</p>

Calling night nurse

I'm guessing price. Upgrading from a combo to a superdrive will in itself be pretty pricy and impressive. Bluetooth will tack on $50 to the price. Or Apple may just be saving it for the upgrade in case it falls short on upgrades to put in.

I doubt Apple will wait until MWSF for PB updates. They'll probably use that for the iMac if anything. Also, perhaps the iPod or something else we didn't expect. Also, iBooks look like they'll be updated before MWSF. These lines are really starting to show their age.

Now the buzz is Nov 5th. A few different people at different places are saying that's the day. New form factor too. I can wait another 2 weeks

What about the iBook? Faster? Different?

Sincerely,
Dr. L

I don't think Bluetooth would cost that much to add. That is the price for an aftermarket adaptor not a chip on the motherboard. Perhaps they are going to integrate Airport 802.11g and Bluetooth into a single optional card. That may be more cost efficient for them and could certainly be the cause of a holdup as well.

November 5th is the rumor of the week because a single distributor is expecting a supply of PowerBooks on the 5th. They don't know if they are "new" PowerBooks or not but they have not received any in a while.

I work at an Apple reseller, and we've been told by our distributor that Combo drive iBooks are sitting at about a two week wait, because of a revision. A call to Apple got a response of, "We cannot comment on unreleased products."

Which doesn't mean much in the long run.

[ 10-25-2002: Message edited by: Kesh ]</p>

Well not that this means too much... Here is a rundown of release dates for the PBG4 as well as the iBook

================================================== ===============
Mach | CPU. | Low | High| Intro | Disc. | Days
================================================== ===============
PBG4 | 7410 | 400 | 500 | 01-01 | 11-01 | 300 days
PBG4 | 7451 | 550 | 667 | 10-01 | 04-02 | 180 days
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PBG4 | 7445 | 667 | 800 | 04-02 | 10-02 | 180 days and counting
================================================== ===============
Days are apx since I didn't get exact day of Intro/Disc just month+year

================================================== ===============
Mach. | CPU.. | Low | High| Intro | Disc. | Days
================================================== ===============
iBook | 750.. | 300 | 366 | 07-99 | 09-00 | 420 days
iBook | 750cx | 366 | 466 | 09-00 | 05-01 | 240 days
iBook | 750cx | 500 | 500 | 05-01 | 11-01 | 180 days
iBook | 750cx | 500 | 600 | 10-01 | 05-02 | 210 days (see below for 14" MWSF intro)
iBook | 750cx | 600 | 600 | 01-02 | 05-02 | 120 days (14" intro)
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iBook | 750fx | 600 | 700 | 05-02 | 10-02 | 150 days and counting (12")
iBook | 750fx | 700 | 700 | 05-02 | 10-02 | 150 days and counting (14")
================================================== ===============
Days are apx since I didn't get exact day of Intro/Disc just month+year


Dave