New Laptop model on October 15th. - Page 10

No, not for the PowerBook. You will have to all wait until next year. Unless apple has some lame ass update for us to keep us busy. But this will not be much of an update I'm afraid. The MPC7455 gets way to hot at anything over 800mhz to be put in a powerbook. Just look at the huge heat sinks in the new PowerMacs and all the fans they have. Now think about how hot the 800mhz PowerBook already gets. Also think about why they haven't updated the iMac's CPU speed. Why don't they put the G4 in the iBook? Etc., etc., etc. It's because they are, yes again, waiting on motorola to update the G4. Next year is it, but we will have some nice upgrades to almost all of the products on jan07. Sorry for all you people who want to buy one now.

\tI'd wait, though, if I was you.

[quote]Originally posted by Algol:
<strong>No, not for the PowerBook. You will have to all wait until next year. Unless apple has some lame ass update for us to keep us busy. </strong><hr></blockquote>

The next update to the PowerBook will be relatively uninteresting (but still quite nice, all things considered). Same form factor, etc.,

[quote]Originally posted by apple.otaku:
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Yeah, I know. It's just that someone started a thread stating this and it wasn't true. Tuesdays do hold some mystical significance for Apple and the 5th is a Tuesday. Something is coming very soon. Very soon.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I'm guessing it's because too many companies choose to make announcements on Monday, therefore Apple chose Tuesday to maximize free buzz.

[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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The next update to the PowerBook will be relatively uninteresting (but still quite nice, all things considered). Same form factor, etc.,</strong><hr></blockquote>

Do tell.

[quote]Originally posted by off/lang:
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<a href="http://www.dell.com/us/en/dhs/learnmore/learnmore_hard_drives_notebooks_popup_inspn_detail s.htm" target="_blank">Yes, they do make them.</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

One word: Gimmick.

[quote]Originally posted by Amorph:
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<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

One word: Gimmick.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Fair enough. If you guys say it won't make a difference, I will believe you.

[quote]Originally posted by M3D Jack:
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[big fat SNIP]
I swear, some of you people keep a herd of goats handy strictly for predicting these things.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Obviously you know nothing. Hasn't the great Jack shown that the true way to accurate hieroscopy is through the use of imitation goat entrails?

Smearing real, usable goat entrails angers the gods of Apple Future(TM) and will only provide images of a fat, sweaty bald man jumping around muttering something about ... developers?!?



[ 10-28-2002: Message edited by: PBG4 Dude ]</p>

You know that guy or what....

Just a thought here,
I thing that if Apple want to take advantage of christmas and the holiday, they will most probably release new products (computers).
Now if they release an update of any of their computers other than the Powerbook G4 before christmas, the Mhz gap between the PB G4 and their new computers will make the PB G4 look like even slower in comparison (the current PB already have the lower Mhz processor).

So, the Powerbook being updated before christmas makes a lot of sense in my opinion. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

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Oberon : in excruciating pain since early september, waiting to buy the new Powerbook cash in hand

[quote]Originally posted by Oberon:
<strong>Just a thought here,
I thing that if Apple want to take advantage of christmas and the holiday, they will most probably release new products (computers).
Now if they release an update of any of their computers other than the Powerbook G4 before christmas, the Mhz gap between the PB G4 and their new computers will make the PB G4 look like even slower in comparison (the current PB already have the lower Mhz processor).

So, the Powerbook being updated before christmas makes a lot of sense in my opinion. <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

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Oberon : in excruciating pain since early september, waiting to buy the new Powerbook cash in hand </strong><hr></blockquote>

An update tot he iMac, eMac, and iBook would probably generate more sales, after all Christmass is a consumer buying season, and the PowerBook is more of a pro computer.

[quote]Originally posted by JCG:
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An update tot he iMac, eMac, and iBook would probably generate more sales, after all Christmass is a consumer buying season, and the PowerBook is more of a pro computer.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I agree. The iMac is even more overdue for an update. It was introduced in January at the same clock speeds. The only change is the 17" display. It is time for a faster bus and G4.

You guys just don't get it do you. Where is apple going to get these updates from. The current G4 can not scale much higher than 1.25Ghz. Look how freaking hot these chips are!!!! How in all the earth is apple going to be able to put one in the PowerBook. How can they update the ibook when the G3 can not go faster than 700Mhz? The iBook can not take a G4 because they are to hot for a fan less laptop. They could update Graphics, Drives, and etc. But you will not see any speed upgrades until next year. The iMac could take a faster chip, perhaps, but then they would be up close to the Powermacs again.

\tIn other words is an upgrade before the MPC7457 possible? Well yes it is, but it will only be half an upgrade. If they do decide to upgrade the PowerBooks. Well I just don't see where they are going to do it from.

since when is the ibook fanless? <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

[quote]Originally posted by Algol:
<strong>You guys just don't get it do you. Where is apple going to get these updates from. The current G4 can not scale much higher than 1.25Ghz. Look how freaking hot these chips are!!!! How in all the earth is apple going to be able to put one in the PowerBook. How can they update the ibook when the G3 can not go faster than 700Mhz? The iBook can not take a G4 because they are to hot for a fan less laptop. They could update Graphics, Drives, and etc. But you will not see any speed upgrades until next year. The iMac could take a faster chip, perhaps, but then they would be up close to the Powermacs again.

\tIn other words is an upgrade before the MPC7457 possible? Well yes it is, but it will only be half an upgrade. If they do decide to upgrade the PowerBooks. Well I just don't see where they are going to do it from.</strong><hr></blockquote>

the iMac could easily be updated to
933 and 800Mhz
133mhz Bus
4x AGP
w/ GeForce 4MX

this is the least i expect for the next tune-up.

iBooks:
where did you get your info about the G3 not going past 700mhz? You might be thinking about the 750cxe Sidewinder. That had a cap of 700Mhz. But the new 750Fx Sahara can scale to at least 1Ghz and have a 200Mhz bus.
The iBook doesn't need to go G4 just yet. One more 100Mhz Speed bump, then sometime around April or May, they can pop a 7457 in there....

Powerbooks:
Again....a little speed bump to 933 isn't out of the question here. neither is a 64MB vido card.


edit: typo

[ 10-28-2002: Message edited by: PowerPC ]</p>

Remember that the Power Macs have dual G4+s being pushed as far as they'll go (in saleable quantities). The same 74?? at 1GHz with 1MB L3 cache would use much less than half of the power of two 1.25GHz 74?? with 4MB of L3 cache.

What are the differences in the G4 (74xx) family?

<a href="http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/taxonomy.jsp?nodeId=03M943030450467M98653" target="_blank">http://e-www.motorola.com/webapp/sps/site/taxonomy.jsp?nodeId=03M943030450467M98653</a>

What I am trying to say is not that an update is impossible, but that no great updates are coming. I am guessing that apple will go ahead and wait on the PB until they have a faster chip for it. Otherwise they make themselves look bad introducing half assed upgrades. Thats just my two cents though.

You guys can argue forever that it is possible for apple to upgrade the PB before christmas, and I understand your points on the subject. I just don't think it's going to happen because I see no chip to be put into them. Maybe they will do some little upgrade of 100mhz but come on even the towers have been upgrading more that the lately. ... I truly think we will have a substantial upgrade to the PB's next year along with the towers. Really I do...

When I started to catch up on the old posts associated with this thread, and saw that Moki dropped a hint about the next powerbook, I was sure the remainder of the thread would be in response to the "bone" he seemed to be throwing in our (the "uninformed") direction. But his note seems to have slipped everyone's attention. So, Moki, *please* , give us something to look forward to!

[quote]Originally posted by Algol:
<strong>What I am trying to say is not that an update is impossible, but that no great updates are coming. I am guessing that apple will go ahead and wait on the PB until they have a faster chip for it. Otherwise they make themselves look bad introducing half assed upgrades. Thats just my two cents though.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't think that it's a matter or supply. Right now they are using low voltage 7455's. The same chip that's used in the tower. Again, a little bump to 933Mhz to tide us over until Motorola delievers the 7457. Nothing drastic. I see no reason why apple can't and already hasn't done this....

[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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The next update to the PowerBook will be relatively uninteresting (but still quite nice, all things considered). Same form factor, etc.,</strong><hr></blockquote>

Please, please, please give us a time frame. Before or after christmas?

Slightly unrelated, but just saw a comment by Joswiak concerning DVD-R in the Powerbook:

Taken from:
<a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1040-963630.html?tag=fd_top" target="_blank">DVD burning a hot ticket for laptops -- News.com</a>

[quote]
Apple's problem is more technical. The company's Titanium PowerBook uses a slot-loading optical drive design rather than the more typical tray. Because of this approach, the PowerBook trailed competing PC notebooks and even Apple's own consumer iBook with CD-RW and CD-RW/DVD combo drives.

The situation would appear to be the same for DVD recording drives. Greg Joswiak, senior director of Apple's worldwide hardware product marketing, could not estimate when DVD recording drives would be available on the PowerBook.

"We'll offer them as soon as the slot-loading drives are available," he said. <hr></blockquote>

[quote]Originally posted by off/lang:
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Please, please, please give us a time frame. Before or after christmas?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I have no idea; it is much easier to know what, rather than when. "When" is much more complicated when you're talking about a significant piece of engineering (hardware, software, etc.).

[ 10-29-2002: Message edited by: moki ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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I have no idea; it is much easier to know what, rather than when. "When" is much more complicated when you're talking about a significant piece of engineering (hardware, software, etc.).

[ 10-29-2002: Message edited by: moki ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

So you're saying the new Powerbooks require "significant engineering"? No mere speed bump, perhaps?

[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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I have no idea; it is much easier to know what, rather than when. "When" is much more complicated when you're talking about a significant piece of engineering (hardware, software, etc.).
</strong><hr></blockquote>

Sooooooooooo... Tell us more about the "what" then please.

Think its about time to change this thread's name to November 5th? Maybe, "New Laptop model one day"

[quote]Originally posted by MCQ:
<strong>Slightly unrelated, but just saw a comment by Joswiak concerning DVD-R in the Powerbook:

Taken from:
<a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1040-963630.html?tag=fd_top" target="_blank">DVD burning a hot ticket for laptops -- News.com</a>

"We'll offer them as soon as the slot-loading drives are available," he said.

</strong><hr></blockquote>

The article says there are no slot-loading DVD-R drives available for laptops yet but we know better don't we? Indeed, Panasonic announced them about a month ago and they are currently in production. They are due to be available towards the end of the year.

Moki, tell us everything you know that's not under NDA then...

[quote]Originally posted by Algol:
<strong>You guys can argue forever that it is possible for apple to upgrade the PB before christmas, and I understand your points on the subject. I just don't think it's going to happen because I see no chip to be put into them. Maybe they will do some little upgrade of 100mhz but come on even the towers have been upgrading more that the lately. ... I truly think we will have a substantial upgrade to the PB's next year along with the towers. Really I do... </strong><hr></blockquote>

No chip? Um, the 800mhz becomes the low end and the 933 becomes the top. And then there's the 933 &1.0ghz, and then the 1.0ghz & 1.2ghz and by then the G4+ that comes out in jan should take the PB into 1.4ghz-1.6ghz and then....

Sorry, but if we do and probably will get an update in 2 weeks, there's no way we will see an update in Feb. More likely May or July.

[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
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Sorry, but if we do and probably will get an update in 2 weeks, there's no way we will see an update in Feb. More likely May or July.</strong><hr></blockquote>

There's still going to be a Macworld Tokyo in March right?

Maybe?...But it seems all these dates are being pulled from thin air. I don't know for sure, but I really suspect apple will wait for a bigger better update. They need to have something at the beginning of next year to put the MPC7457 in. The PowerBook is the perfect place. The ones we have now already burn your lap. We don't need faster 7455's in them or we'll start cooking our balls.

[quote]Originally posted by Ensign Pulver:
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So you're saying the new Powerbooks require "significant engineering"? No mere speed bump, perhaps?</strong><hr></blockquote>

In this case I wouldn't read too much into Moki's wording... From what I hear (and this could be wrong) the PowerBook updates are gonna be pretty 'ho-hum' as in don't be looking for anything too drastic in the way of changes.

Well that's what I heard anyway...

Dave

[quote]Originally posted by Algol:
<strong>Maybe?...But it seems all these dates are being pulled from thin air. I don't know for sure, but I really suspect apple will wait for a bigger better update. They need to have something at the beginning of next year to put the MPC7457 in. The PowerBook is the perfect place. The ones we have now already burn your lap. We don't need faster 7455's in them or we'll start cooking our balls.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Apple will get the best Bang for the Buck out of an unexpectedly powerfull update to the PowerMac. If they pair that up with an equilly powerfull update to the Xserve, and an incramental update to Jaguire then they might have the making for a real OS X coming out party....

[quote]Originally posted by apple.otaku:
<strong>Moki, tell us everything you know that's not under NDA then...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Some ex-girlfriends of mine would be pissed if I did that. Sorry.

[quote]Originally posted by DaveGee:
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In this case I wouldn't read too much into Moki's wording... From what I hear (and this could be wrong) the PowerBook updates are gonna be pretty 'ho-hum' as in don't be looking for anything too drastic in the way of changes.

Well that's what I heard anyway...</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yep, this is what I have heard as well -- they will be nice improvements, worthy of purchasing if you're in the market, and competitive with Wintel offerings... but don't expect any radical changes.

CONFIRMED.....

the next rev (d?) of the ti powerbook
will have a built in slot that will accept
credit cards & there by ease your pain
by dinging you at regular intervals...

a possible add is a micro printer that
will print fortune cookie sized labels from
the other side whenever said card slot is used
thus keeping the masses happy



beat that

"and competitive with Wintel offerings"

Woh! Apple is going to release a 2ghz G4 and price it under $2499?

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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Yep, this is what I have heard as well -- they will be nice improvements, worthy of purchasing if you're in the market, and competitive with Wintel offerings... but don't expect any radical changes.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Details please. You cannot expect me to wait a week!

[quote]Originally posted by Producer:
<strong>"and competitive with Wintel offerings"

Woh! Apple is going to release a 2ghz G4 and price it under $2499?

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>


thwup!

You have just been smacked with a virtual wet noodle for your doofus comment.

thwup!

that smack is for good measure

[ 10-29-2002: Message edited by: FlashGordon ]</p>

[quote]Originally posted by moki:
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Some ex-girlfriends of mine would be pissed if I did that. Sorry. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Confirmed! Andrew and Nancy Heinen were an item!