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post #81 of 154
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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no, he's referring to a hack which in some cases leaves machines unusable... I don't know why he referred to that as a solution</strong><hr></blockquote>

I only heard of ONE who couldn't start his machine afterwards, and it was a owner of a 500 MHz iBook with a Rage chip, and the "hack" only works on iBooks with Radeon chips.

The "hack" works perfectly, and it is certainly a solution.

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post #82 of 154
I had posted this in my PB thread before JLL got it closed by linking to an iBook thread which had nothing to do with my topic and EmAn not investigating further closed it.

So anyway, here's what I posted in the now closed thread that has not been discussed in any other thread *ahem*

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This was posted over at MacNN. Not bad, but not sure either of the likelyhood.
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post #83 of 154
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>I had posted this in my PB thread before JLL got it closed by linking to an iBook thread which had nothing to do with my topic and EmAn not investigating further closed it.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Excuuuuse me!

The images you had in your post are in that thread which was the only thing I was trying to imply!!

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post #84 of 154
KidRed, not invesitigating further, thought EmAn closed his thread.

I don't think EmAn has the power to close threads anymore.
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post #85 of 154
Oh, he does.. just not by clicking the "Close Thread" button.



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post #86 of 154
[quote]Originally posted by JLL:
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Excuuuuse me!

The images you had in your post are in that thread which was the only thing I was trying to imply!!

1st page, post by jwdawso.

[ 11-04-2002: Message edited by: JLL ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Yea, but your link was about iBooks and not PBs like my thread, so a mod closed the thread thinking it was repetitive.

Anyways, no comments on the specs? I thought I'd here some bitching and moaning or debunks.
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post #87 of 154
Don't worry KidRed they arbitrarily or inconsistantly close threads all the time, it really has little effect on most of us anyway. The closed link did have its own subject, that another thread just barely got into, but who gives a damn lets just close it because we can. Like this is the only thread talking about a new Powerbook....yeah right try one of 5. Oh well, like it matters anyway, I won't miss it but the casual users will...screw them anyways right <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />

The stats look good to me. I wish there was a Radeon 9000 but no dice. We will see Tues. or Wed. I am gonna buy what they release so heres hoping.

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post #88 of 154
Cnet reports that dealers are expecting new iBooks but have heard nothing from Apple about new Powerbooks. We'll know on Wednesday I guess.
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post #89 of 154
[quote]Originally posted by MacsRGood4U:
<strong>Cnet reports that dealers are expecting new iBooks but have heard nothing from Apple about new Powerbooks. We'll know on Wednesday I guess.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I wonder if this isn't the best strategy anyways given the holiday season is around the corner.
A sub $1000 iBook may sell much more than a simple speed bumped Powerbook.

Perhaps Apple will bypass another Powerbook revision and unveil a new form factor at MWSF which is not that far off.
post #90 of 154
im happy with the new specs... while it would have been nice to ahve a 867 machine instead of the 667 for $200 less, considering i got a deal (20% off) and have had the machine for 2 months now, i say that 2 months of use = 200MHz considering nothing else has changed

It woulda been nice if they had moved to DDR ram to save on batt life tho...

I was planning on selling my current 667 DVI to get the next low end (to my bro), but seeing as nothing but the proc changed, i'll pass (assuming this is true)... I'll probably get my brother to get teh 1300 iBook instead... looks like it is going to be a sweet little machine...

once again apple's laptops are going to be very competitive...
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post #91 of 154
I would love to see Apple increase the resolution on the 14" model to further differentiate from the 12" models.
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If the iBook price will cap out at 1599 and the low end Powerbook is 2299, there is a big gap in price. A high resolution 14" ibook at 1899 would fill the gap nicely. If Apple wants more sales they are going to have to offer more choices. Dell sells a wide range of labtops aimed at different market segments. Apple tries to use the one size fits all method but it doesn't work.
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post #93 of 154
How about a 13.1" PowerBook for 1799 or something? apple could have the specs on it similar to the 14.1" iBook only it would have a smaller screen and cost more...oh and it would have a G4. Just an idea...
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post #94 of 154
[quote]Originally posted by JLL:
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I only heard of ONE who couldn't start his machine afterwards, and it was a owner of a 500 MHz iBook with a Rage chip, and the "hack" only works on iBooks with Radeon chips.

The "hack" works perfectly, and it is certainly a solution.

[ 11-04-2002: Message edited by: JLL ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

anything that is completely unsupported by apple and would likely void your warranty is NOT a solution
post #95 of 154
Historically, Apple has never introduced a new computer this close to Xmas. Only updates have been made this late in the season. Completely new Powerbooks definately are on tap for MWSF as well as iBooks. MWSF should be very interesting.
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post #96 of 154
[quote]Originally posted by MacsRGood4U:
<strong>Historically, Apple has never introduced a new computer this close to Xmas. Only updates have been made this late in the season. Completely new Powerbooks definately are on tap for MWSF as well as iBooks. MWSF should be very interesting.</strong><hr></blockquote>

So you are saying bumped iBooks and PBs tomorrow and then 2 months later completely new portables? Sorry, if we get updates this week we won't see another one until March or May.
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post #97 of 154
[quote]Originally posted by MacsRGood4U:
<strong>Historically, Apple has never introduced a new computer this close to Xmas. Only updates have been made this late in the season. Completely new Powerbooks definately are on tap for MWSF as well as iBooks. MWSF should be very interesting.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Historically, Apple has never released an upgrade and then released a new model or upgrade two months later. It should be obvious that since your "definiteness" is based on your intuition and very little evidence is in your favor that nothing you have mentioned is definate at all.
post #98 of 154
[quote]Originally posted by applenut:
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anything that is completely unsupported by apple and would likely void your warranty is NOT a solution</strong><hr></blockquote>

Define "solution" then. It may not be a smart solution or even a good one, but if it is an action or process of solving a problem then it is a solution.

According to your goof-ball definition things that are not solutions include: any part installed by user or anyone else that is not a liscensed Apple technician, use of any non-Apple product (incuding RAM, hardrives, and video cards), and ANY modification done without the written permission of Apple. Doing any of the above things can void the warranty and are completely unsupported by Apple.

I am pretty sure but I think adding non-Apple RAM to my powerbook is a solution to a slow system problem, but not according to your definition since it is not supported by Apple and could likely void my warranty.

Before you go spouting off broad generalizations and putting down other's ideas think about the crap you are going to type. If you are going to attack others ideas just don't type something so false, general, and hypocritical while you do it.

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post #99 of 154
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
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So you are saying bumped iBooks and PBs tomorrow and then 2 months later completely new portables? Sorry, if we get updates this week we won't see another one until March or May.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You are right about this one. That's why I'd rather see them wait until January to release a really nice upgrade instead of a lame PB bump this week and nothing new until the spring. Especially if this week brings a speed bump without an improved GPU. My personal scenario: lame PB bump this week along with a small iBook bump and price cuts means I will get an iBook now and sell it when the significant PB update takes place next spring. No PB upgrade this week means I'll wait to see what January brings... Here's hoping that Apple will surprise us all with that 1GHz PB with 64MB Radeon 9000 this week! Too bad I only hold out a 2% chance of that happening.
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[quote]Originally posted by I Have Questions:
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You are right about this one. That's why I'd rather see them wait until January to release a really nice upgrade instead of a lame PB bump this week and nothing new until the spring. Especially if this week brings a speed bump without an improved GPU. My personal scenario: lame PB bump this week along with a small iBook bump and price cuts means I will get an iBook now and sell it when the significant PB update takes place next spring. No PB upgrade this week means I'll wait to see what January brings... Here's hoping that Apple will surprise us all with that 1GHz PB with 64MB Radeon 9000 this week! Too bad I only hold out a 2% chance of that happening. </strong><hr></blockquote>


I totally agree with you, I think I am going to get a $1100 dollar iBook, and sell it on ebay when the new Powerbooks come out in May or June. I will buy a ti though with a Radeon 9000, even if its just 32MB type.
post #101 of 154
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
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So you are saying bumped iBooks and PBs tomorrow and then 2 months later completely new portables? Sorry, if we get updates this week we won't see another one until March or May.</strong><hr></blockquote>

You really can't rely on the past on this as Apple has been breaking the "rules" all year. They are trying to downplay the Expos and release new/improved hardware at more normal intervals. I can see a speedbumped PowerBook now and at the very least, the addition of the Superdrive option in January. If the Superdrives are in production now I can't see them holding onto them for six months. I just hope they can make it to 1 Ghz for this "Holiday" release but I'm not holding my breath.
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post #102 of 154
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
<strong>Anyways, no comments on the specs? I thought I'd here some bitching and moaning or debunks.</strong><hr></blockquote>

New low end PB is faster than the current high end, but $900 cheaper - that's a good thing.

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post #103 of 154
[quote]Originally posted by KidRed:
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So you are saying bumped iBooks and PBs tomorrow and then 2 months later completely new portables? Sorry, if we get updates this week we won't see another one until March or May.</strong><hr></blockquote>

October 16, 2001 Apple released updated PowerBooks (550 and 667 MHz)

December 17, 2001 Apple updated the PowerBooks again (More RAM and Combo drive)

I'm not expecting totally new PowerBooks for a long time, but even history won't stop Apple from updating the PowerBooks (SuperDrive perhaps) in a few months.
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post #104 of 154
Did I just hear the nail being hit on the head?
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post #105 of 154
Instead of all that useless-for-many fad called bluetooth, why don't they incorporate the new industry standard USB 2 on their portables (is USB 2.0 part of the towers allready?).

As I have heard, USB 2.0 is cheaper to implement than firewire, and it is still faster than the current firewire offerings. So are we taken hostage until Steve's legions release the long-time rumored Gigawire. And even then, has anybody noticed the price difference even between an USB 2.0 HD and a firewire HD, it gets to be as much as 50 to 70 bucks, which is a lot already at the low prices HD's are going for these days. Moreover, I see implementations of USB 2.0 rather than firewire in digital cameras and the like.

Needless to say, I don't care what Steve thinks I should think, I want USB 2.0!
post #106 of 154
[quote]Originally posted by der Kopf:
<strong>As I have heard, USB 2.0 is cheaper to implement than firewire, and it is still faster than the current firewire offerings. So are we taken hostage until Steve's legions release the long-time rumored Gigawire</strong><hr></blockquote>

FireWire 2.0 is certainly not a rumor:

<a href="http://www.lacie.dk/news/news.cfm?id=D014264F-D6B7-11D6-981C0090278D3ED0" target="_blank">http://www.lacie.dk/news/news.cfm?id=D014264F-D6B7-11D6-981C0090278D3ED0</a>
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[quote]Originally posted by JLL:
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FireWire 2.0 is certainly not a rumor:

<a href="http://www.lacie.dk/news/news.cfm?id=D014264F-D6B7-11D6-981C0090278D3ED0" target="_blank">http://www.lacie.dk/news/news.cfm?id=D014264F-D6B7-11D6-981C0090278D3ED0</a></strong><hr></blockquote>

And Gigawire is NOT known to be Firewire 2
post #108 of 154
About 'history tells us Apple won't update PowerBooks after 2 months' and 'MWSF will be great'... RECENT history shows us that Apple is releasing iBooks/iMacs/PowerBooks/PowerMacs BETWEEN the big trade shows. When they're ready, not when everybody's listening. So if the Ti and the iBooks are updated today or tomorrow, expect a next revision (or better: new products) in about 4 to 7 months.
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I hate to say it, but I really think that Firewire/Apple are in trouble. Check the marketplace, every new PC motherboard is now coming with USB 2 built in. Also loads of notebooks have it. It is just so easy for Intel to leverage their weight with the board makers, as they need Intel's support "chip side". I am worried about the future of firewire. I think Apple is too, hence the "open sourcing" of the name a couple of months ago. Will it be enough? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

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post #110 of 154
[quote]Originally posted by jante99:
<strong>Dell sells a wide range of labtops aimed at different market segments. Apple tries to use the one size fits all method but it doesn't work.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Really? Does it work any worse than when they had 70 different Mac models out there? When the difference between a Performa and a PowerMac was you could buy one for £300 less but the same spec??!!
I think Apple are right to offer a limited range, it takes the confusion out of buying a Mac...I actually think they should have one iBook, 13" and ditch the 2 model strat'

Oooh that came across a bit harsh...sorry not a flame-post, just feel strongly about it
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post #111 of 154
[quote]Originally posted by warpd:
<strong>I hate to say it, but I really think that Firewire/Apple are in trouble. Check the marketplace, every new PC motherboard is now coming with USB 2 built in. Also loads of notebooks have it. It is just so easy for Intel to leverage their weight with the board makers, as they need Intel's support "chip side". I am worried about the future of firewire. I think Apple is too, hence the "open sourcing" of the name a couple of months ago. Will it be enough? <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />

[ 11-05-2002: Message edited by: warpd ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

The FireWire / IEEE-1394 standard is not handled by Apple but by the 1394 Trade Association.

Furthermore, Dell recently began selling iPods, and they wouldn't sell iPods to their customers without supporting FireWire
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Matthew Rothenberg chimes in about possible upcoming laptops:

"As my friends in the retail channel tell me, Apple is traditionally loath to make a radical change to its product lineups this far into the holiday buying season. Modest speed increases and price reductionsand, at the high end, the addition of Bluetooth to the company's aggressive wireless arsenalseem precisely the sorts of enhancements that will sweeten holiday sales for models that haven't seen a major upgrade in a year or more. (The last incremental improvements to the TiBook and iBook were in April and January, respectively.)"


Complete article here:
<a href="http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,667575,00.asp" target="_blank">http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,3973,667575,00.asp</a>

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post #113 of 154
[quote]Originally posted by jante99:
<strong>If Apple wants more sales they are going to have to offer more choices.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Apple is not Dell. The Apple segment is much smaller than the PC market - if people don't find exactly the model they want, they can't go to another producer to find it. Introducing more models just means higher production costs, to pay for slicing the same cake into more wedges!

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post #114 of 154
Well, the Goddess in training at AtAT is predicting 1Ghz powerbook with superdrive
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post #115 of 154
[quote](The last incremental improvements to the TiBook and iBook were in April and January, respectively.)<hr></blockquote>

As we all know, the iBook was last updated in May, 2002. I hate when such details are goofed. (Grrrrr....)
post #116 of 154
[quote] from JLL: The FireWire / IEEE-1394 standard is not handled by Apple but by the 1394 Trade Association.

Furthermore, Dell recently began selling iPods, and they wouldn't sell iPods to their customers without supporting FireWire
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Yes, but until recently Apple held all the rights to both the name "Firewire" and the nuclear looking icon thingie. They decided just a little while ago to open that up to 3rd parties.

Also, sure dell will support it, as most makers do. The point ti me is more that as USB2 grown and gets more and more exposure peripheral makers are more likely to use it. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" />
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[quote]Originally posted by Flounder:
<strong>Well, the Goddess in training at AtAT is predicting 1Ghz powerbook with superdrive</strong><hr></blockquote>

It better be a 1ghz w/superdrive and a $200 price drop, minimum. It's the only way we'll know if Apple is serious about taking its products into a more appropriate, year '03, pricing structure. If it comes with a superdrive but goes even higher in price, that's really no upgrade, just the intro of an even higher-end model. Good if you really need a mobile DVD-burning solution, but likely to be surpassed within months by other makers, and when Apple lets the model stagnate with neither upgrade nor price drop for 6-9 months, likely to be seriously undercut in price and out-performed in spec.

Upgrades are not enough, price drops must also be included.
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post #118 of 154
I hate to say this but you are acting as though at some point in the past Apple's pricing was completely reasonable! lol

When was this ever the case?? It has always been prohibitively expensive to be a mac user. Thats why it is so coooolll!! If anything, I think that they should revert to Powermac 7200's and double the price!!! Then we would really be cool!



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post #119 of 154
[quote]Originally posted by Flounder:
<strong>Well, the Goddess in training at AtAT is predicting 1Ghz powerbook with superdrive</strong><hr></blockquote>

mm, they usually don't delve into rumors so this very interesting indeed. However, as memory serves, I'm still gonna stick to thinksecret's predictions until proven wrong.
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post #120 of 154
As for FireWire dying - most newer PC motherboards (at least the quality ones) ship with FW. Not the cheap ones, but then many SoundBlasters I've seen lately came with FireWire as well.

As for KidRed's PowerBook prediction - what? Only Radeon 7500? Why no mobile 9000? Geez.
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