AI gets in on the action - Page 3

How about the G-Mac? hehe

Brad, how do you know all this stuff about Vegemite? That kind of scares me. And WTF does that horrible song have to do with Apple or even smeagol or anything else for that matter???????? I mean you have to point us in the right direction or everyone is going to be too lost to figure out your little game.

The song is still used in Vegimite ads today. The visual portion of the ads are of young children with smiles and rosy cheeks running around playing. Some of them are eating vegimite on toast and all of them have vegimite smeared around their lips.

That is, they are all very, VERY happy that they are eating Vegimite.

We are all very, VERY happy that the Power Mac G5 is two short weeks away.

I love Vegimite. But I can understand that if you arn't Australian, it is as disgusting as the "delicacies" scene from Indiana Jones.

Barto

PS Algol, my name is Barto not Brad

Bingo -- there's the trick, if there's one. Subsitute "Macintosh Platform" in general for Vegemite, and "PC Users" as the "everyone else in the world."

LOL!!!

This is the same AI that said the LCD iMac would have a G3. I wonder where they pulled that info out of?

No better than MOSR, IMO. All the AI writers do is scan Future Hardware for ideas and then summarize it into a "rumor". They have no true insider sources...if it turns out that they do, then I'll suck my own dick!

Dude, it's just a computer rumor. Don't you think that that may be a bit extreme?

Actually, you are quite wrong. Unfortunately, I can not give you hard proof because of the nature of this information.

AppleInsider is staffed by very different people today than before. You'll note that the postings on the front have been sparse, but the more recent posts that are there are correct. iTunes Music Service ring a bell?

There are a couple insider sources here and there's information that they still don't want us to divulge yet. They have a damn good reason for that, too, and we oblige. Anyone else remember workerbee? Still, we're putting out what little they think is okay to share right now without compromising their own safety.

If you're flexible enough to do that... then why arn't you doing that right now like every other male in the world would?

And Brad, I feel a tinge of pride whenever I read about how I am scum involved in corporate espionage in the local papers' IT sections.

Barto

you are only scum involved...if you are a heavy participant.

I used to be all about this mac speculation stuff..but I lately dropped out. I lurk a lot not, and post whenever.

I'm not part of the scum you describe

well...maybe

"If you're flexible enough to do that... then why arn't you doing that right now like every other male in the world would?


Barto"

Speak for yourself Barto

I hope the info. turns out to be true but....would an owner of a dual 1.42 go for a single G5?

Are you saying that if you could orally pleasure yourself, you wouldn't? I know I would!

heh, did someone say 'smeagol'?
... but smeagol isn't a color... pink, black, green, blue... those are colors. one of these things is not like the other...


and junky, i pulled that G3 iMac shit out of my ass, brother.

Well I've been posting my thoughts a bit more then usual already, so might as well post my thoughts on this.

The new Power Mac G5s will sport a completely new motherboard design utilizing DDR 400 RAM as well as AGP 8x graphics, FireWire 800 (FireWire 2), and USB 2.0, sources said. "In the box" connectivity among the news systems is based on Hypertransport -- a universal chip-to-chip interconnect developed by AMD and partners -- which provides 64-bit addressing and will replace Apple's multilevel_bus architecture found in current systems. This royalty-free technology sports a low manufacturing cost and is capable of transferring data at up to 12.8 Gigabytes per second.

Sounds good so far. Interestingly Jack of MacWhispers mentioned in a post in another forum (Spymac I think) something to the effect that the system board was jointly developed by IBM, Apple and nVidea to maximize performance. If memory serves me correct, nVidea is an AMD partner and also an active member of the hypertransport consortium. (And yes I know that some folks don't like Jack, because of his past mistakes, but he has had some legit hits on rumors). -- This also would seem to uphold the idea of Apple seeking out the best scalable technologies without exhorbitant expense. A way to keep the cost down without compromise.

The new Power Macs will be powered by IBM's 64 bit PPC 970 processor, otherwise known to Apple Marketing as the the "G5." Initial offerings of the Power Mac G5 are said to boast 1.4 to 1.8GHz, single core PPC 970 processors, with the possibility of a dual 1.8GHz chips shortly thereafter.

Dang this stirred up a hornet's nest in some other forums. Still it makes sense to me. I can't find any "source" that indicated a 1.6ghz chip ever existed. Near as I can tell, that spec was fabricated in the rumor forums as wishful thinking or as someone's repeated assertions that "it had to exist". So I can see a 1.4 entry level, with a 1.8 mid level single (the two chip speeds mentioned by IBM) available immediatly or within days, followed shortly (I speculate within a month) by a dual 1.8mhz, and yes I read that as dual processor, not dual core. The writing was a little awkward. Sorry no 2.0 or 2.2 boxes any time soon. Yes the chips probably exist already, but not in sufficient volume. Maybe a speed bump before Christmas.

To accommodate the new motherboard architecture, Apple has developed a modified Power Mac G5 enclosure, which is said to be more square and compact than the current Power Mac G4's deep, rectangular form-factor. It lacks the 4 curved handles found on current units, but sports a single USB and a single FireWire 800 port on the front of the casing, with additional ports in the rear.

Now I see this as indicating that the new box will be "less deep" thereby giving it more a square side profile. Can't see how some folks get "cube" out of this. MacBidouille I think mentioned long rectagular Motherboards. Well this description doesn't exlude that. I just opened my Quicksilver 800 and we have a square mobo in a rectangular profile, so there should be no problem with a well designed rectangular mobo in a more square profile. Especially if they "thin" the design a little, you probably wouldn't want your mobo competing for space with HD's and power supplies so a rectangular mobo might make sense.

It also states that it lacks the "4 curved" handles found on current units. It doesn't state that it does not have any handles, only that it doesn't have the current 4 "curved" handles. However, if anyone could design a pleasent to look at box with or without handles that doesn't look like every other computer out there, then I am sure Ives is the guy who could do it. The port descriptions, make sense without being overkill. Back ports comparable to current models with a single USB and Firewire added up front for convenience purposes, by popular request.

According to sources, Apple plans to make the Power Mac G5 available to the public following their introduction on June 23rd. These initial units will ship with Mac OS 10.2, and hence, will not be optimized for the 64 bit PPC 970 processor. Consumers who purchase these Power Mac G5s will receive a coupon for a free copy of Mac OS 10.3 (Panther), which will ship in September and will be optimized for the new 64 bit processor.

Okay, we know that the Fishkill fab is probably not yet up to full production based upon the very little bit of information from IBM, but possibly ramping up at a steady rate with full production expected in Q3. This may explain the singles available immediatly with the dual being delayed by just a little. Still better then the release timetables we have been accustomed to with Motorola. Shipping immediatly with a patched 10.2 Jaguar, and a free upgrade to 10.3 Panther when available, just makes good marketing sense.

No guarantees, but what I see in the AI article, is about what I expected we would see realistically. Darn I'm tired now. I hope that all made some sense. And that is my nickel's worth to go along with the G5.

EDIT: Guess I might as well throw in my wild-ass guesses as to price too.
1.4 ghz single - $1499
1.8 ghz single - $1999
1.8 ghz Dual - $2799

Whoa, really? You mean that the crew that gave us the G3 flat-panel iMac is no longer in service? Brad, that is some sweet music to my ears! Except for that bit about single CPUs. WTF? Apple really knows how to underperform sometimes. They need to hit a home run, and instead here they're aiming to get to 1st base on a walk. All the work developers (and Apple) have put in to optimizing their apps for dual CPU performance, and all the heavy dual CPU optimizations in OS X, all that brilliant work Apple is going to throw away for the introduction of the 970? That's pathetic! A dual 970 would have hit the market like a nuclear explosion! Why would Apple not want such an impact? It would be worth waiting a few months for sure! WTF?!?!?

Heh, looks like I'd better start limbering up. You are quite right, Barto, if I could do that I'd never leave my bedroom. But I'm good for my word and when single-processor high-end Powermacs are announced I'll be doubled-up into a pretzel in bed, doing the deed. Hope it's ok if I only manage to give the tip a few licks. If I had a digital camera I'd post some jpegs her for proof, but I guess you'll just have to take my word for it.

Sorry for being dense, but couldn't 1.4 to 1.8 include 1.6? So there is no reason to beleive there is not a 1.6GHz processor. Personally I think there will be

I agree with Shaktai. "Dual 1.8" would most probably mean "dual CPUs" not "dual cores".

I can only assume that there's a lot more to developing a dual core chip than halving the number of chips on a wafer.... By comparison, a dual-CPU friendly mobo would be a relatively routine development, I would think.

Thank you sweet Jesus, he doesn't have a digital camera.

well... my 2 cents...the 970 will come and soon... also while looking at the schedule for wwdc i noticed way to many TBA blocks... this could mean.

a. 64bit project builder type of stuff
b. how to harness raw speed a la 970/64 bit
c. and all the panther we could possibly fit in without telling you...
d. all of the above


cheers,

m2

i feel a dual 1.8 970 will cost around 3299... us dollars
(and thats with 1gig/200/9700gfxcard)

http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/tuesday.html


shit.... here is the online schedule!


cheers,

m2

Remember to take pictures! We can sell them for a high price and buy some PM 970's for the money!

Return of the Black Mac!?

Barto

This post is no longer necessary!

I just think he forgot the link in the first post.

Well, pink is more than a color.

Yeah, we've got that all fixed now.

Yes, it could include a possible 1.6. My apologies for not putting it into proper context or stating it more clearly. However, if memory serves me correctly (can't be sure this time of the morning, as I can't sleep due to back pain) the only 970 speeds actually mentioned by IBM specifically were 1.2, 1.4 and 1.8. Anything other then that is rumor thread speculation without substance. Even the "pulled" mention of 2.5 ghz was for a "laboratory chip" not something IBM expects to produce until the 970 actually moves to a smaller process.

None of us know for certain what will be delivered, until it is announced. The AI article merely deserves at least reasonable consideration of being potentially accurate until proven otherwise. They stated some very specific details. Only time will tell.

For AI to gain reputation, Apple must deliver almost exactly what they specified. After all they posted as "insider info" with specifics not as rumor.

The sad thing is that no matter what Apple delivers, a few individuals will insist on finding something to be disappointed about so they can blame Apple for it.

Shaktai. Well done on the level-headed and solid posts.

AI are giving specs. Not rumours. And credit to AI for posting WHEN they've got something valid and watertight.

When they post...they hit home! I can take 'sparten' if that's the pay-off.

And you're right, Shaktai, the 'specs' are reasonable. There's nothing in there we wouldn't expect. Much of the PC guys have had for sometime already. 'Cept we get the 'G5' and an uber optimised Nividia/IBM/Apple mFb! AIN. That's my kinda 'AIM' alliance The speed ratios of 1.4 and 1.8 make sense. Get the machines out there first. Then the dual 1.8 will come as production ramps up at IBM's facility.

People will be falling over themselves for a 1.4 970 (equivalent of a Pentium 2.8/G4 2.8 gig.) for a current low end tower price. And the 1.8? Faster than anything Intel's shipping. A 3.6 gig G4/P4.

I suddenly thought, 'Holy crap!' after reading your post Shaktai. If the 970 is bumping in increments of '400'mhz...that means the next bump...maybe in the Autumn will reach 2.2 gighz! Extrapolate here...just in time to coincide with the release of...PANTHER!

Every '400'mhz bump will be like an 800mhz G4 bump! THAT is impressive! ie from 1.4 to 1.8 is a G4 bump of 800mhz...and from 1.8 to 2.2 is another 800mhz. That's 1.6 gighz bump in G4 performance in half a year if the 1.4 ships june 23rd and 2.2 ships September...AND...dual it. That's...3.2 gig bump in G4 performance from a single 1.4 970...in HALF A YEAR! READ IT AND WEEP, MOTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Intel? You listenin'!?!? WE OWN YA, WHO'S THE DADDY? WHO'S THE DADDDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!?!?!?!

JD, get ready to bend over and j-peg! (You made me laugh my ass off with that post... Brad' sure made you suck it up big time. And with good bantered humility...you began limbering up...ehehehhhhheh.....)

Good posts, Shaktai. You made me think...

Lemon Bon Bon

PS. I think this quote from somewhere above is coinciding quite nicely with the mystery of this 'customised' Apple mFb...and what neXt tech's maybe coming on tap from Apple. Hmmm. It looks like the time to buy maybe be September...(if you can wait, heh...) 2.2 970 duals with Panther, anybody? Some of those Next tech's sound awesome...


" Panther has many cool features. But the top 2 are 64-bit clean and stunning graphics.

Expect Quartz to get way more extreme. Think NeXT dimension times 4 <http://www.channelu.com/NeXT/Histor...6030/page4.html>. Think graphics co-processor. To compress backing stores, damage repair being offloaded...

All I can add is that new G4 tower owners will be pleasantly surprised And the 970 owners will be positively thrilled. Of course, users of older hardware will bitch (time to upgrade guys!). If you are into Media of any sort, the new hardware is definitely worth the upgrade... Dual 2.2 GHz at sub two-grand... Also hold off on those 15" Powerbook purchases 'til the end of summer... you never know

Also look for Renderman coming back to its roots... in a very surprising configuration specifically built for movie industry. Will definitely SHAKE the industry

All in all a lot of hardware niceties for the high-end pro market. I feel really sorry for SGI.

More NeXT time ..."

Which almost makes me think there may be a little truth to the hardware rumors.

A rumor is a rumor, but the same rumor from two places is... a rumor.

...and could it be...that at loooooooong last...that Steve Jobs is using his Pixar connectin to get Renderman on 'X' in Shake!??!? Maybe they're even in the market to buy Maya or Xsi 3!?!??

I think I need to rest...the excitement is too much. Things seem ready to explode for Apple in this next year!

Lemon Bon Bon

Well, I guess Apple could produce a special "Junkyard Dog" edition especially for you.

would that be the "dang, he broken his neck while trying to pleasure himself" model??

this is all good news coming from apple on the 23rd....preview of panther (great name), new chips, new enclosures....tis sweet...

i would be happier if apple would force a "removed at the request of apple" onto AI...but i believe...

hopefully, with the PM updated and finally able to compete with intel computers for speed and specs, now apple can update the portables and consumer machines too...between now and sept should see as much activity in hardware as we have been seeing in software updates...

i is happy

g

Apple generally only C&Ds for photos.

Barto

Man, you guys need to ratchet down your expectations a tad. If Apple doesn't intro the hottest machines, or ramp up as quickly as hoped for, then there's going to be some wailing and gnashing of teeth.

It's exciting if it happens.
Here's hoping.

wailing and gnashing of teeth is always expected after any apple announcement by some...we will already hear the wailing if apple doesn't release a dual PM immediately...even though the 970 will have a wonderful MB and kick the G4 arse...

so i say "raise those expectations" and wail on brothers, wail on

g

Wonder who's going to get the first 'G5' photo? Macdoobie?

Lemon Bon Bon

Yeah, and Vegimite is a poor excuse for Marmite which has been eaten by the Brits for a Century or so...

...and maybe an iSync article or two from ThinkSecret.

Just to follow up. Pink was 10.2.6 and Smeagol seems to be 10.2.7:

http://forums.appleinsider.com/showt...0&pagenumber=3

i don't know about using smeagol as a code name...too close to smegma for my taste....

g

yes the pun was intended

I have long thought that smegma is possibly the funniest word it the english language.

Smegma.....

Ha!

Dual cores, I though Moki was implying something about dual cores. Also, this machine sounds too much like what Dorsal M had once mentioned.

I'm not saying that there'll never be dual cores, just that we won't see them straight away. We'll surely see dual-CPU boxen before we see dual-cored beasts.

As for moki, I know he made some tantalising remarks about "sandbagging". I presume that this relates to IBM understating the performance of the 970 in some respect, or perhaps hinting at the arrival of groovy new go-faster stuff on the mobo.

But I suppose that anyone's guess is as good as mine.