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post #41 of 402
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Originally posted by Brad
We don't divulge every single detail we get. We have the safety and security of our sources to look out for. Remember workerbee? People fear smiting Apple especially when they're on the inside.

We respect the request of our sources when they ask us not to publish things immediately.

Let's have a hint, then.

What colour are the new machines?
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Originally posted by audiopollution
Let's have a hint, then.

What colour are the new machines?

Luminescent hunter orange. Apple will introduce glow-in-the-dark neon colors to the industry.
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post #43 of 402
It seems to be Apple is following Clinton i.e. denying every thing until you get caught, and then denying that you got caught in a book years later.
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Luminescent hunter orange. Apple will introduce glow-in-the-dark neon colors to the industry.

Really? I thought they were going to use the iPod backlight technology to create a glow in the dark, wall projecting, neon red Apple logo disco ball.
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post #45 of 402
Hmmm.

I'm wondering about this ring of power stuff. I recall the folks at Ars were kicking around the idea of a ring-based topology as a way of easily adding extra CPUs or something like that.

As for the Q codename, others have pointed out that this might refer to Q-ships, as well as obviously being the successor to P. And here's another angle: Q, the naughty god-like being from Star Trek (NG), who was part of the "Q continuum". Again, we have connotations of great power behind a modest facade, not to mention immense scalability.

But I really can't stand Vegemite!

Edit: Here's the ring topology discussion I alluded to.
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Originally posted by johnsonwax
Luminescent hunter orange. Apple will introduce glow-in-the-dark neon colors to the industry.

Sh*t. Time to repaint the room to match. Can you provide a Pantone number for me, please? I'd like to have it repainted by this Friday, so I hope you're right.
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post #47 of 402
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Originally posted by Nitride
It seems to be Apple is following Clinton i.e. denying every thing until you get caught, and then denying that you got caught in a book years later.

OK, that was actually enough to get a LOL outta me!
post #48 of 402
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Originally posted by Brad
...We respect the request of our sources when they ask us not to publish things immediately.

You know, this is a line of reasoning I've never understood. MOSR does this a lot too.

"Hi, I work at Apple. Here are all the details on the WWDC G5 launch, but please don't tell anybody for a week."

This makes no sense. If you are an insider who wants to spill the beans, why the hell would you tell anybody, especially a rumors site, if it was predicated on them NOT publishing it? I'm not saying that AI is doing anything wrong, if they are truly protecting a source then that's great. It's just that the whole argument is based on the source doing something needlessly stupid. If there's some kind of "clearance" the source is waiting for, then why tell anything in advance?
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post #49 of 402
I don't think someone would do that when telling MOSR or a rumor site for the sake of the rumor, but I could see someone telling a friend that. I really think that's just so MOSR looks more reputable.

I mean, if you worked at Apple, you'd just have to tell someone or you'd absolutely go crazy! :P That, and you just couldn't wait to tell your best friend all the great things in store, but you don't want your head chopped off at Apple.
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post #50 of 402
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Originally posted by audiopollution
Sh*t. Time to repaint the room to match. Can you provide a Pantone number for me, please? I'd like to have it repainted by this Friday, so I hope you're right.

Sorry, just checked. Pantone doesn't do hunter orange. None of the other vendors do either. I suggest you pick up some nice reflective orange traffic signs and cover your walls. Should be about right...
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post #51 of 402
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"This build, code-named Smeagol, will run on the new chip but won't take advantage of many of its key features, including 64-bit support. Sources said Apple's goal for Smeagol is to deliver Mac OS X performance at least "on par" with what Jaguar could achieve on Motorola G4 chips running at the same speed; the move will allow Apple to ship the new hardware before Mac OS X 10.3, a k a Panther, can take advantage of all the new processor's capabilities."



perhaps apple is learning from ibm and is "sandbagging" it..notice "at least"...perhaps it is twice as fast, three times as fast, only just as fast...i don't know, the writers don't know...everyone will know in 2 weeks

by all indications the 970 will be a great chip, but more importantly, everything around it will be better too...pipeline, rapidio or hyperactive child drive etc


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I think that they where speaking of the speed of the OS and not the speed of applications like photoshop or others.
If the OS is not optimized for the PPC 970, there is great chances that the OS react at the same speed.
post #52 of 402
The key phrase in the E-Week article regarding the performance is "at least". A lot of folks seem to not quite understand that phrase.

Another way to phrase it might be: "At the least, (worst case scenario) the 970 will perform on par with the G4 under Smeagol or whatever patched version of 10.2.6 that is released with it.". MacWhispers chimed in as well with a statment from "their sources" http://www.envestco2.com/macwhispers...ves/000071.php

Just remember that each rumor is just a "piece" of the puzzle. No one source has the entire picture yet. (or at least they are not letting it all out yet). "at least" is a safe statement for a writer who did not want to commit to "faster performance" or who may have been "under pressure" for whatever reason to not "over state" the information. (perhaps an editorial decision - editors do that you know- really pisses of the writers sometimes).

We pretty much have to gather all the little pieces together, and then assemble the puzzle. The challenge is to put the pieces together, before Steve announces. It is important to read carefully, to figure out how the pieces fit together. In other words, to read between the lines to gather the true essence.

So my current best guess based upon all information to date?
  • 1 or 2 (different speed) single processor units will be available immediately after announcement. Dual processors will follow later.
  • Their performance will be significantly improved over current G4's at the same speed, but not fully optimized in compiling until Panther is released.
  • Panther will bring additional performance due to better compiling and other enhancements, not related to 64 bits.
  • We are going to have to develop a whole new way of thinking about performance with the 970. A way of evaluting total system performance, rather then "raw cpu" performance which the 970 "systems" will make somewhat meaningless.
  • Others are free to disagree, but I believe the 970 PowerMac is for real and will kick ass in real world performance. Even the single processor units.
  • There will not be a "cube" revival before next year, and then only as a limited production "special edition" 20th Anniversary model, if at all.
  • A low cost headless Mac is possible, but I don't see it yet.
  • Have changed my mind about the PowerBook. I used to doubt the likelihood of a 970 Powerbook any time soon, but now consider it a possibility in the 15" model. (note the word possibility, I do still have some lingering doubts).
  • Life will go on after WWDC, no matter what.
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post #53 of 402
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Hi, I work at Apple. Here are all the details on the WWDC G5 launch, but please don't tell anybody for a week

two reasons i can think of. one, it verifies you as a legitimate source of inside information. by telling the publishers what you know before it breaks on every page, they find out you have real inside info. in this case, our source may have told us things that other sources have since confirmed as true.

it means that in the future, this person's info will be given more weight.

second, it also helps the source figure out who they can and can't trust. tell someone not to publish it until a certain date, and see if they follow through. if not? no more info.
post #54 of 402
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Originally posted by Nitride
It seems to be Apple is following Clinton i.e. denying every thing until you get caught, and then denying that you got caught in a book years later.

Of course the same could be said for the Bushies. Think Iran-Contra. Think Dubya's oil business. Think Neil's banking business. Think drugs and alcohal. Looks like we will soon be thinking WMD.
post #55 of 402
Those troubled by the eWeek article might wish to read the Register's take on it. A reader is much less likely get the wrong impression with the Register, which does not use red-flag terms like 'crippled' or 'on a par with a G4.'

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/39/31116.html
post #56 of 402
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Originally posted by Brad
We don't divulge every single detail we get. We have the safety and security of our sources to look out for. Remember workerbee? People fear smiting Apple especially when they're on the inside.

We respect the request of our sources when they ask us not to publish things immediately.

And when do we get the 'next' part...?
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post #57 of 402
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Originally posted by JBL
Of course the same could be said for the Bushies. Think Iran-Contra. Think Dubya's oil business. Think Neil's banking business. Think drugs and alcohal. Looks like we will soon be thinking WMD.

Think Florida's electoral votes, think 2 Presidencies, Think Cheny's old company's oil contract in iRaq, think Cheney's meeting with energy companies and outrageous power bills before arctic drilling bill, think Cheney and Enron....
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post #58 of 402
Think new Mac computers soon...
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post #59 of 402
Yes, and that's what we've been waiting for. 'Real' NEW computers. No half-assed bumps. Several years later and many false 'G5' calls by the Register. 'Finally'. It will be such a boost to the Mac platform which, to be frank, has been doing quite well despite the cpu problems.

Just to see those shiny G5 Towers. It will bring a real rush of excitement to the Mac. That and Panther.

And...my bet is that this new partnership with IBM is just the beginning...

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post #60 of 402
We have all been waiting for so long for the 970 and you know what... I just don't want one untill 10.3 is pre-installed. I hate buying an OS and then having to run the upgrade disk, if you have to do a restore t is suuch a pain and upgrading is not the same as a fresh install.

I think I will just wait until September, you klnow the old saying, fools rush in where angels fear to tread.
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post #61 of 402
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Originally posted by Addison
We have all been waiting for so long for the 970 and you know what... I just don't want one until 10.3 is pre-installed. I hate buying an OS and then having to run the upgrade disk, if you have to do a restore it is such a pain and upgrading is not the same as a fresh install.

I think I will just wait until September, you know the old saying, fools rush in where angels fear to tread.

Another big advantage of waiting is that some of the hardware bugs will be fixed. For instance, my 1st rev. G3 cannot use more than 2 IDE devices. This is fixed in later machines. I would certainly wait a few months after release and check macfixit and xlr8yourmac for problem reports. This isn't necessary after a small speed bump of course, but a new architecture and CPU will always bring new problems.
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Originally posted by rok
sigh... Q37? have the engineering boys lost all flair for naming these rigs anymore?

Wasn't the Q37 Illudium Detonator the thing Marvin the Martian was going to use to blow up the earth??

(Before Buggs Bunny put a stop to it, of course..)
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Thanks boots! I lost my link to that!

I do think it would be better to use another letter than "G" to label the new processor. "Q" would be nice.

PS And what happened to that terrible energy shortage that was going to threaten the Western US for years to come so we better drill the Arctic now and cut down energy regs....oh, the companies made their money and the Party won the mid-term elections? okay....
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post #65 of 402
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Originally posted by JBL
Of course the same could be said for the Bushies. Think Iran-Contra. Think Dubya's oil business. Think Neil's banking business. Think drugs and alcohal. Looks like we will soon be thinking WMD.

Yeah, and the Bushies lie about crap that affects the entire world negatively. Clinton lied about his personal sex life. If he hadn't lied, he would have been bragging, not exactly a gentlemanly thing to do.

I'd like to see stats on how many Americans lie about their sex lives every day, to protect either themselves, their spouse, or their children. Lies aren't all black & white--justs because Clinton lied about a blowjob doesn't mean he's the sort who would lie about the threat of another bananna republic to start a war of invasion. Clinton never did anything like that, because he didn't have to. He could form rational arguments and policies..

Sorry to stray off topic but lately I've been more pissed off than usual at that Smirking Chimp in the White House.
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Originally posted by MacGregor

I do think it would be better to use another letter than "G" to label the new processor. "Q" would be nice.

The "Q" Powermac--Bends space and time at will.

Nice Star Trek reference, but I'm not sure how many would get it. I'd want one for sure!
post #67 of 402
Remember HAL in 2001 Space Odyssey? If we increment each letter in the alphabet we get IBM, which most everyone has seen by now. Now consider the Illudium Pu36 Explosive Space Modulator that Marvin the Martian was going to use to blow up the earth. If we take the 'u' to be a sound, increment the principal letter and number, and we get Q37. The 'u' sound is already in 'Q.'
post #68 of 402
How about a conspiracy theory about this new report? Apple finally realizes that the rumors and speculation can not be stopped, so Apple decides to make it work for them. The eWeek article is an official Apple leak to heighten interest in WWDC.

Last year everyone figured out that new 64 bit Power Macs were coming as soon as IBM announced the 970 topic on the Microprocessor Forum. So everyone knows already anyway. Apple fills in a few more details for eWeek, but keeps it low key so there are no unrealistic expectations. Any surprises will be positive, not negative.

The code names Smeagol and Q37 give away no facts about the new hardware but add a little interest and maybe some confidence in the report's accuracy.
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I'd like to see stats on how many Americans lie about their sex lives every day, to protect either themselves, their spouse, or their children. Lies aren't all black & white--justs because Clinton lied about a blowjob doesn't mean he's the sort who would lie about the threat of another bananna republic to start a war of invasion. Clinton never did anything like that, because he didn't have to. He could form rational arguments and policies..

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Sorry to stray off topic but lately I've been more pissed off than usual at that Smirking Chimp in the White House.

*cough* and ahem

Can we get back to rumour mongering again?
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post #70 of 402
ok.

any more tidbits moki?

care to confirm or deny the flurry of rumor activity vis-a-vis g5 specs.


(Cool, I used "vis-a-vis" in a sentence, how geo-politcal of me! (god knows if i spelled it correctly.))
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Thanks boots! I lost my link to that!

I do think it would be better to use another letter than "G" to label the new processor. "Q" would be nice.

PS And what happened to that terrible energy shortage that was going to threaten the Western US for years to come so we better drill the Arctic now and cut down energy regs....oh, the companies made their money and the Party won the mid-term elections? okay....

The energy shortage is real but not as bad as the water shortage will be.
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post #72 of 402
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Can we get back to rumour mongering again?

Not if you keep posting political links...

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And...my bet is that this new partnership with IBM is just the beginning...

key word emphasis mine.

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post #74 of 402
So has IBM started releasing its PPC970 machines to "select customers" yet? There was a post on this forum a while back saying that he had received an email from IBM which gave his organization first dibs on their PPC970 based server machines.

Based on his previous experience with these type of announcments, the guy estimated that it would be 3 months before IBM shipped PPC 970-based machines. This was up on the board in March or April(?)

Does anyone have any further info?
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post #75 of 402
I don't think Apple is going to ship the G5 without 10.3. The whole shebang will be demonstrated at WWDC, ready to go. The date and venue was uprooted for this conference, and there's too much riding on the new machine for the future of Apple's hardware and OS. It's all or nothing.
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Originally posted by Bigc
The energy shortage is real but not as bad as the water shortage will be.

Truth! Just keep away from our water, Cali boy!

An alliance/partnership with IBM at this time would be very interesting even without a third party (like Moto) but wouldn't that have to come out at an investor's meeting?

Son of Gib: What would Apple be giving to the attendees then? Beta Panther and Beta hardware?
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Not if you keep posting political links...


Yeah moki. You are one of the primary providers of real information on these boards. If the information you provide is about politics we are going to end up talking about that. Like I just can't help but point out that that first link doesn't really provide much of a defence against Bush's claim that the latest round of sanctions were not working. It sure seems like he didn't have any evidence that they were not working other than that sanctions hadn't worked before. Similarly with the second link, it is still true that the US army protected the oil minstry from looting but not the museum and that the museum was looted. Luckily the curators protected many of the artifacts, no thanks to the Bush administration. The third link is actually pretty interesting but seems to me to be not only off topic wrt the original purpose of the thread but also off topic wrt to the political discussion.

Anyway, I am pretty sure if you posted some meaty hints as to what we might expect on June 23, that would pretty much take over all the threads here.
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Similarly with the second link, it is still true that the US army protected the oil minstry from looting but not the museum and that the museum was looted.

And there are multiple points of view on any issue: oil infrastructure has greater military and economic value than the contents of a museum, and is typically located in non-urban environments and thus more easily defended against paramilitary activity. Either way, this isn't the place for this discussion.
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Wow, all these rumors are starting to suggest that perhaps something is brewing over at Apple!

What I find suspicious is that Apple is supposedly issuing C&D orders to only some select sites. It seems unlikely that this is an oversight, since a C&D was given to a site with a LINK to the AI story, but AI has not gotten any C&D warnings. Or maybe AI has gotten some warnings but they simply ignore them

In any event, I really think it would be a bad move on Apple's part to dilute the impact of Powermac G5s by releasing only single CPU models at first. It would be fine if there was a longer shipping delay for the dual CPU models, even up to 6 weeks or so, but there had better be at least some available for reviews and testing soon after announcement. The "G" moniker has a poor reputation for performance, so this "G5" needs to make a bitchin' first impression, meaning that it must trounce all competition.

Of course I'd rather dual CPUs across the entire Powermac line, but even if Apple only makes the high end dual, it will go a long way towards rehabilitating the "Powermac Gx" moniker's image.

That rumors are saying duals will show up "later on" is reassuring since the vague wording is consistent with Apple's habit of announcing all models at once, but shipping the high end up to 2 months later than the low end. Of course the wording is consistent with Apple waiting 2 years to add duals to lineup as well, but with all the impressive rumors recently, I like the more positive interpretation of the AI rumor.

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Errrrrrrrm, Moki, I personally didn't care for Clinton's middle east policy, either, but my point was that lies about a blowjob aren't of the same caliber as lies that affect thousands to millions of people. That's all.

As for the WMD, maybe some still reside in Iraq, but the point is that Dubya and his handlers intentionally deceived the public by portraying Iraq as an imminent threat to our safety. UN inspections could have easily discovered any large scale WMD development or production, and Saddam was contained. The proof that inspections and containment work is all the WMD destroyed in the 90s (so many that now it's difficult to find them), and the fact that Saddamn hasn't started any wars of aggression since 91.

War should be a last resort, not a solution of choice. "War is the failure of policy", I forget who said that but it's dead on. Even more ironic is that the chimp who relished marching the flock of sheep into war was a deserter in another war he was a proponent of, in spirit if not body. It's one thing to dodge the draft and organize protests in an effort to end a war one believes to be wrong, but quite another to support war while dodging the draft!
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Can we get back to rumour mongering again?

Be our guest, "monger" away!
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