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http://www.cafeshops.com/g5specs.6449500?zoom=yes#zoom
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You know what's strange... that of all the updates that Apple probably has planned for their site after monday, that one would end up accidentally being revealed. Seems kind of bizarre. What are the odds of anyone even going to that page and reading that blurb. If the type had been as small as the G4 type it definately wouldn't have been discovered. I still think this was a planned leak to generate more anticipation before the reveal on monday. This might just be the tip of the iceburg, the iceburg being all the other things that will be revealed monday.
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Originally posted by iSegway
You know what's strange... that of all the updates that Apple probably has planned for their site after monday, that one would end up accidentally being revealed. Seems kind of bizarre. What are the odds of anyone even going to that page and reading that blurb. If the type had been as small as the G4 type it definately wouldn't have been discovered. I still think this was a planned leak to generate more anticipation before the reveal on monday. This might just be the tip of the iceburg, the iceburg being all the other things that will be revealed monday.

the more i think about it i think you could be right
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post #444 of 1072
Heh.

Just called the AppleStore Netherlands and asked for prices on the new G5.

Rep: Which G5?
Me: The new G5 listed with specs and all on the AppleStore page.
Rep: There's no G5 on there
Me: Yes there is.
Rep: no
Me: Well, there was.
Rep: no
Me: Yeah, I saw it.
Rep: I have the page in front of me now. There's no mention of a G5.
Me: But there was
Rep: no
Me: You want me to read you the specs as they were listed?
Rep: no, I already know them.



Damage contol alright.
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post #446 of 1072
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Originally posted by kroehl
Heh.


Me: You want me to read you the specs as they were listed?
Rep: no, I already know them.



Damage contol alright.

A major OOPS there.
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post #448 of 1072
Someone messed up!

2^32 = 4294967296 (4Gb addressable memory)
2^64 = 1.844674407370955e+19 (A stupidly large amount of addressable ram, not 8Gb)

Someone that does not know their binary math, just doubled the 4Gb limit. Although, I suppose 8Gb would be a practical limit due to the current memory prices/motherboard design.
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post #449 of 1072
holy crap!

what a pleasant thing to wake up to!

/me goes to pick up his jaw...
post #450 of 1072
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Originally posted by kroehl
Heh.

Just called the AppleStore Netherlands and asked for prices on the new G5.

Me: You want me to read you the specs as they were listed?
Rep: no, I already know them.



Damage contol alright.

great!!!
post #451 of 1072
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Originally posted by Gargoyle
Someone messed up!

2^32 = 4294967296 (4Gb addressable memory)
2^64 = 1.844674407370955e+19 (A stupidly large amount of addressable ram, not 8Gb)

Someone that does not know their binary math, just doubled the 4Gb limit. Although, I suppose 8Gb would be a practical limit due to the current memory prices/motherboard design.

I believe that 1.6 will have 800mhz bus and 4gb memory max.
1.8 will have 900mhz bus and 4gb memory max.
2x 2.0 will have 1ghz bus and 8gb memory max.
Wll I have my G5 so I am off to get a life; apart from this post...
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post #452 of 1072
It is a real shame that no one called the Apple store while the G5 info was still up. I wonder what the hell they would have said then? lmao!
post #453 of 1072
i want one of those tees

*orders now*
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post #454 of 1072
This would indeed mean a HUGE comeback for the Power Macs. I really hope it is true! However, I fear the worst (a "hack" from inside, made by some disgruntled employee who wants to harm Apple), if this does NOT come true, it will be an absolute disaster! A PR nightmare and AAPL shares will fall to new lows

I can't wait till monday....pheew, this is exciting (and scary) stuff...
post #455 of 1072
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Originally posted by Gargoyle
Someone messed up!

2^32 = 4294967296 (4Gb addressable memory)
2^64 = 1.844674407370955e+19 (A stupidly large amount of addressable ram, not 8Gb)

Someone that does not know their binary math, just doubled the 4Gb limit. Although, I suppose 8Gb would be a practical limit due to the current memory prices/motherboard design.

64 Bit machines have a theoretical address space of 16 Exabyte. Thats around 16.000 Terabyte or 16 mio Gigabyte.
But I know of no 64 Bit chip that really has pins for all those 64 address lines. Usually, they are limited to somewhat more reasonable 8-64GB (of course, this could also be a limitation of the address decoder on the mainboard).
Whats more, it is currently (with DDR) not possible to drive that many chips, its my understanding that the inductive loads are too high and would slow down the system considerably.

I fully expect the single-cpu to have 4 DDR-slots for a total of 4GB and the dual to have 2x4 for a total of 8GB.
post #456 of 1072
check out these pictures:
http://www.sejus.com/earth2willi/for...opic.php?t=262

download some music or something while you are there!
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FINALLY!
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While it's always more plausible to see a design which is very similar to existing designs, it always makes me think 'hmmmm' if a design has absolutely nothing new on it.

It's like the vent holes on the MDD Macs, they were more likely to be real because we'd not seen them before, most people faking Apple product photography will use bits and pieces from existing products so it's dubious, this design looks like a distortion of the existing design with elements cloned away.

Anyway, we'll find out on Monday, I can't wait to see a bake off with the Dual 2Ghz G5 against ........ um...... anything!?
post #459 of 1072
that case is so obviously a fake .. IGNORE!
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macmovieman did a test... he took the G4 pic and put it next to this supposed G5 pic and then darkend half of each and in the supposed G5 pic you could see the 4 vent holes in the reflection that the guy forgot to get rid of. When it was darkened it totally brought them out. lol

I think this was on macrumors, can't show you though, the discussion forum is down now. At least for me it is.

Edit: here it is, notice the reflection beneath the supposed G5 :P


macrumors thread where macmovieman debunked this bunky
post #461 of 1072
Daaamn, I went to bed last night and Temporary Insanity was still a bit 'sane'. I wake up this morning and there's a 12 page thread about leaked specs. Now *that* is insane!!!

So this is pretty much ***cunfuuuurmed!!!*** eh? I don't think ThinkSecret or other sites would joke about this. I'm sure others have seen it in person too.

"In his infinite rage due to the leaked G5 product specs, Steve Jobs decides to scrap the whole G5 project altogether and release speed-bumped G4s."
post #462 of 1072
People, the G5 spec GIF doesn't use a different or wrong type style, it uses the new type style already being implemented for new products as they come online. FCP 4 and Quark 6 use it now, so of course the G5 page will too. If it had used the old typeset, or a different one altogether then it would be suspect.

Monday's revemped website is done and sitting on a (supposedly) secure server at Apple waiting to go live after the keynote. Somebody just linked to the new G5 GIF (which stupidly had the same name as the current G4 GIF) a few days early. The specs are accurate.
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post #463 of 1072
That case is crap. If that's all Ive can come up with after all these years, he's out of a job. The real thing will be MUCH better. And I'm not sure about those specs, either. If it's for real, why would it only be one image on the page? Surely they all have the same identifying code? And surely, an Apple page can't be changed without authorisation? I think that someone's playing around: the actual specs might be even better.
post #464 of 1072
can you imagine the panic in the Wintel world when the G5 makes the Itanium systems look like a 48K spectrum ... MWAHAHAHAHAHA
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post #465 of 1072
ive calmed down a bit.
i hope this is real and not some trick.
im beginning to get a little skeptical.
how could someone accidentally post the new specs on apples website?
it doesnt make sense.
i hope what comes out is at least this good.
we will see.
but like some others i believe the real story will be panther.
post #466 of 1072
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Originally posted by Addison
I believe that 1.6 will have 800mhz bus and 4gb memory max.
1.8 will have 900mhz bus and 4gb memory max.
2x 2.0 will have 1ghz bus and 8gb memory max.

I think you're right, there was some speculation that each CPU would have separate RAM, so it makes sense that the dual CPU has twice as much.

Not sure I really believe these specs though, weren't there any pictures.

MacRumors says the gif was removed at the request of Apple legal, but MacWorld UK has the image on their site.
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post #467 of 1072
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Originally posted by geekmeet
ive calmed down a bit.
i hope this is real and not some trick.
im beginning to get a little skeptical.
how could someone accidentally post the new specs on apples website?
it doesnt make sense.
i hope what comes out is at least this good.
we will see.
but like some others i believe the real story will be panther.

You're right it is a little fishy, I mean when you work on a website of this magnitute you usually have a dummy server where you make all the changes and then update the live server all at once not in bits and pieces. Quite how the most significant .gif and only the most significant .gif got 'accidentally' updated bewilders me.

I don't doubt that the graphic is real, just that it could have been put there by 'accident'. No conspiracy theories to add either.
post #468 of 1072
All the speculation about is it fake is it real:

1. It's not monday yet, they're only just building these pages. Maybe they used the wrong type styles?

2. Too big type? I can't read the small type on the old G4 page


Picture this. The junior web designer working in Dreamweaver fixes a typo in the new specs, goes to upload the gif (patent free) to the testing server, but whoops, he picked the wrong Site and it goes to the public site. You wouldn't realise if it was the last thing to do before you go home for the night

OR

Perhaps Steve has got so many great things to show on Monday, they had to leak something so we don't get info overload on monday!!!!!!!!

This is what I want to believe
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Originally posted by iSegway
macmovieman did a test... he took the G4 pic and put it next to this supposed G5 pic and then darkend half of each and in the supposed G5 pic you could see the 4 vent holes in the reflection that the guy forgot to get rid of. When it was darkened it totally brought them out. lol

I think this was on macrumors, can't show you though, the discussion forum is down now. At least for me it is.

Edit: here it is, notice the reflection beneath the supposed G5 :P


macrumors thread where macmovieman debunked this bunky

This is BS anyway, because the El Capitan case, complete with handles, is less than 17" high
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post #470 of 1072
hahaha, .... whoops! I always just presumed the handles were too big since they are removed when rackmounting a G4
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Ugh. Anyone who thinks there's "no way" they could have made a mistake like this, or that because the font is slightly different it's obviously a fake, has probably never worked in a high-volume web shop before.

People, screwups worse than this happen ALL THE TIME on enterprise-level websites- it's just that Apple happens to have legions of rabid fans that sit and watch their sites (and their job listings, and their patent applications) like HAWKS.

Here's an example- remember the first Survivor series? CBS's designers inadvertently posted a graphic that indicated the winner WEEKS before it was unveiled- and with a $1 million dollar prize on the line, and many millions more in advertising behind the show, that was a far bigger screwup than what we saw last night.

The same theories came up then- it's a leak, it's a trick, it's a hack- nope, just turned out to be a mistake. Imagine the pressure the web team at Apple is working under right now. They're probably working late all week to prevent from having to work on the weekend. They are building, testing, uploading to staging.

To me, the most easily conceivable explanation is that a tired web designer circumvented the safeguards usually in place to prevent this from happening and inadvertently pushed content prematurely to the live site.

The same EXACT thing happened when I was running the website for Fox Family Channel- someone skipped a step in the approval process and the front page went live with "temp text" that was full of jokes at the talent's expense. Not a hoax, not a hack, just an all-too common error.

Given the circumstances, I say it's real.
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post #472 of 1072
The updated Appleinsider article on this topic is funny.
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The *********** in the image above (accidently published on the Apple.com store) confirm a number of rumored *********** for the forthcoming revision to the Power ********* line of computers. These include *** 2.0, FireWire ***, 4 *** 400 *** slots capable of accepting 2GB *** *** modules each, *yp*rtran*p*rt (see Bus speeds) and the adaption of the Power ********* ** name, all originally report by AppleInsider.com.

So who's Sue? Did she create Sosumi?
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Originally posted by marcsiry
Ugh. Anyone who thinks there's "no way" they could have made a mistake like this, or that because the font is slightly different it's obviously a fake, has probably never worked in a high-volume web shop before.

People, screwups worse than this happen ALL THE TIME on enterprise-level websites- it's just that Apple happens to have legions of rabid fans that sit and watch their sites (and their job listings, and their patent applications) like HAWKS.

Here's an example- remember the first Survivor series? CBS's designers inadvertently posted a graphic that indicated the winner WEEKS before it was unveiled- and with a $1 million dollar prize on the line, and many millions more in advertising behind the show, that was a far bigger screwup than what we saw last night.

The same theories came up then- it's a leak, it's a trick, it's a hack- nope, just turned out to be a mistake. Imagine the pressure the web team at Apple is working under right now. They're probably working late all week to prevent from having to work on the weekend. They are building, testing, uploading to staging.

To me, the most easily conceivable explanation is that a tired web designer circumvented the safeguards usually in place to prevent this from happening and inadvertently pushed content prematurely to the live site.

The same EXACT thing happened when I was running the website for Fox Family Channel- someone skipped a step in the approval process and the front page went live with "temp text" that was full of jokes at the talent's expense. Not a hoax, not a hack, just an all-too common error.

Given the circumstances, I say it's real.

This man makes sense. It's a credit to Apple that this kind of thing has never happened before. But there's always a first time.

Oh yes, and one more time, the G5 GIF doesn't use a different typeset, it uses the new typeset already in use on the FCP and Quark pages.
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To me, the most easily conceivable explanation is that a tired web designer circumvented the safeguards usually in place to prevent this from happening and inadvertently pushed content prematurely to the live site.

all about workflow - especially in a shop - to me it would seem a little bit stupid to create those spec-pics by hand - 2nd: new products in a good working shop shouldn't be inserted by a web-designer - or pehaps i'm very wrong and every part on apples website is handmade...??

could be that it's a mistake - but that would be a very very stupid mistake... \
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post #475 of 1072
Macbidouille also had the spec pic on their site but they now say that they were nicely asked by Apple to remove it. No d!ck waving lawyers apparently but just a request by Apple to cooperate in not spreading this any further than it is. Don't know how much good THAT will do them by now.

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I believe that this leak is intentional. I cannot otherwise explain how maccentral has a story on it with all the details and Apple doing nothing.
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I believe that this leak is intentional. I cannot otherwise explain how maccentral has a story on it with all the details and Apple doing nothing.

Apple doesn't mess with real news outlets. It only bullies small rumor sites.
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all about workflow - especially in a shop - to me it would seem a little bit stupid to create those spec-pics by hand - 2nd: new products in a good working shop shouldn't be inserted by a web-designer - or pehaps i'm very wrong and every part on apples website is handmade...??

I'm sure they use a content management system- which actually increases the chances of a mistake being made.

When you build a page "by hand," you can preview it in a browser and see what it all looks like together. Easier to catch problems that way.

When you use a content management system, you upload all the files "loose" to the staging server and then preview it online. It's a lot easier to miss mistakes unless you have a rigorous proofing system in place- a system that I presume has broken down under pressure these last couple of days.

As to the images themselves being built by hand- sure. Apple's website has a relatively limited product selection (compared to a typical e-commerce website with 20,000+ SKUs). For the main product display pages, it makes sense to build the text blocks by hand- you want to make sure the ext is nicely spaced, the sentences properly broken, etc.

I bet they use templates that they open and type into- and the fact that this template matches that of the other two new products on the site (Quark and FCP) reinforces it's validity in my eyes.

I presume they are doing a rolling upgrade to the specs lists-new products get the new, easier-to-read template. Upgrading all the templates on the site at once would be a big job, but just doing the new ones means the old ones eventually drop off as the products change- less work, at the expense of inconsistency.

In fact, as an art director, I would have directed the designers to beef up the fonts on the "old" lists- they are too thin, low-contrast, and difficult to read. These things are continually upgraded all the time- remember the gradual switch from Apple Garamond to Myriad for all the title fonts? People were calling that a mistake, too- since it first showed up on the eMac and iMac pages and nowhere else (back when those were new products).
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post #479 of 1072
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Originally posted by Ensign Pulver
Apple doesn't mess with real news outlets. It only bullies small rumor sites.

It's also being reported at The Register and at Macworld (UK).

I think Apple has lost this one to the momentum of the internet. Somehow I feel a little sorry for Steve/Apple because I want them to get all the media-blitz they can in order to put a dent in the Wintel self-assured confidence.

Anyhoo, these boxes will float my boat for sure.
post #480 of 1072
As a freelance web designer who has been doing this for over six years, I've worked on some very large sites myself. This is easily a simple mistake. The text differences to me *prove* even more that it is real. This is the new design that they are moving towards, as mentioned earlier by people noticing the bullet marks with the front page Quark ad, and the Shake software explanation. The text is larger because it is in relation to the right side graphic (the one we all want to see) in a slightly different way.

These points also are all specifics that all three models share. There is no mention of the drive specs because I assume the lower model still retains the combo drive, and the top two have superdrives. Either that, or possibly the top model has two, etc.

This DOES happen all the time, on almost every large web project I've worked on. Since there are so many people working on a site revision like this one, the possibilities for error go way up. Its real, I'm almost 100% on this. And I don't even have to call the 800 # and hear the befuddled "uh, well no, uh, what, uh call Monday" response.

I can't wait to see this thing in person!
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