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post #81 of 190
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Originally posted by Kickaha
Panther: Oh HECK Yeah.
Xcode: Humina humina humina
iSight: I foresee many lawsuits for aiding and abetting voyeur webcams
G5: Performance is unreal... the pricing is consistent with that, for better or worse. NOT a consumer tower, NOT a prosumer tower, this is a PRO WORKSTATION. Period. When it keeps up with and kicks a dual Xeon top of the line? I think Apple just got handed the Unix workstation market. Not a market share expander... not supposed to be. Note lack of game demos.

Sorry this is not a workstation. A workstation by the casual definition includes guaranteed performance,s tability, and compatibility with pro applications and drivers. Also, special support from the seller is almost often included.
Lastly, those graphic cards and their complimentary drivers are not certified and would never be found/used in a "true" workstation.
post #82 of 190
Hehe! Because of the low USD value the new Dual 2.0GHz PMG5 is actually cheaper here in Denmark than the Dual 1.42GHz PMG4 was (4%).
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post #83 of 190
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Originally posted by Clive
The Adobe guy said that for Photoshop "it's twice as fast as anything we've seen before on the Macintosh", ie the dual 2.0 is twice as fast as the dual 1.4 - is that a real achievement?

As usual that says a lot more about Adobe's code than Apple's machines
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post #84 of 190
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Originally posted by maxcom29
Sorry this is not a workstation. A workstation by the casual definition includes guaranteed performance,s tability, and compatibility with pro applications and drivers. Also, special support from the seller is almost often included.
Lastly, those graphic cards and their complimentary drivers are not certified and would never be found/used in a "true" workstation.

Uhh. No. That *IS* a workstation. That is a workstation that kicks the snot out of the "Big Co." workstations out there. There are a shitload of people at SGI/Sun saying "Wow, I want THAT!".

-M
post #85 of 190
Kick ass. Dawg, come out and bark. Video boys and girls, you have a future on this platform. Investors, buy. The stock will have a healthy and steady ascent.

Is Apple the Sony of the USA? Different. Just as international in the days ahead. Thanks, IBM. Thanks, Cupertino. The Apple faithful have waited. Salad days are back and beyond. Way beyond.

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post #86 of 190
Eat my shorts PC guys!
post #87 of 190
Has anyone looked into what 512MB and 1GB sticks of memory cost for the new G5's?
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post #88 of 190
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Originally posted by BJNY
Has anyone looked into what 512MB and 1GB sticks of memory cost for the new G5's?


Better to go with the 512MB sticks which are around 80$, (referring to DDR 3200). Of course, if corsair is supported it gets a bit more expensive.
The IGB sticks are over three hundred as far as I can recall.
post #89 of 190
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Originally posted by moazam
Uhh. No. That *IS* a workstation. That is a workstation that kicks the snot out of the "Big Co." workstations out there. There are a shitload of people at SGI/Sun saying "Wow, I want THAT!".

-M

Dude a workstation isn't just a fast machine it includes certain high level support from the seller, a guarantee to run certain apps without crashing and data loss due to software probs. This stuff costs extra, and makes workstations so much more expensive.
For example, Quadros from nVidia ship with many workstations even though they may offer the exact same performance and chip as a reg., cheaper, consumer Geforce, but in return it's drivers are more thoroughly tested and configured.
post #90 of 190
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Originally posted by b8rtm8nn
I watched it on satellite so:



2. The case is aluminum, the fans are individually controlled, under normal usage at room temperature it generates 35db (compared to ~ 70 for current G4) - this case alone will probably keep the cost higher than El Capitan machines.

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I don't think that the current G4 produce 70 db, or you will quickly throw it trought the window . The bell scale is a logarythmic one, i don't remember exactly but three more db means twice the noise level. In others docs they even said that it produce three less noise than the G4 : it will give 105 db for the G4 : the noise of an F16 ...
BTW i love noise reduction 4 to 5 DB less are important. Silence worth gold.

PS : for the cost of the case , i agree entirely, these case must cost a lot of bucks. Each fan has his own control, it means each compartiment has his own thermomether , the whole thing is controled certainly by a dedicated CPU. This is a piece of jewelry.
post #91 of 190
I'm thoroughly impressed. Since they won't ship till August or September, I'll wait to order and see what goodies Apple may introduce @ MacWorld CreativePro.

I really want to see these machines in person, that had to be the most amazing keynote in the history of Apple.
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Don't get me wrong, I like the flat panel iMac, actually own an iMac, and I like the Mac mini, but...........
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just waiting to be included in one of Apple's target markets.
Don't get me wrong, I like the flat panel iMac, actually own an iMac, and I like the Mac mini, but...........
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post #92 of 190
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Originally posted by maxcom29
Dude a workstation isn't just a fast machine it includes certain high level support from the seller, a guarantee to run certain apps without crashing and data loss due to software probs. This stuff costs extra, and makes workstations so much more expensive.
For example, Quadros from nVidia ship with many workstations even though they may offer the exact same performance and chip as a reg., cheaper, consumer Geforce, but in return it's drivers are more thoroughly tested and configured.

Trust me, I know what a 'workstation' is. I work on them all day long, and I work with customers who work on them all day long. Matter of fact, I have two 64bit CPU workstations at my desk right now.

The Dual 2Ghz G5 from Apple is a serious workstation. You can have both of my current non-Apple workstations in exchange if you wish.


PS> My opinions and thoughts are my own, not my employers, etc. blah blah blah priceless.
post #93 of 190
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Originally posted by BJNY
Has anyone looked into what 512MB and 1GB sticks of memory cost for the new G5's?

Here are the prices from Kingstons site

I haven't seen a 1 GB stick DDR400 yet.

BTW Data sheets of Kingston are lousy!
post #94 of 190
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Originally posted by smalM
Here are the prices from Kingstons site

I haven't seen a 1 GB stick DDR3200 yet.


newegg.com has the following for 291.50$, of course this is a Corsair which makes it a wee bit more expensive but it's the best, does give better performance.

CORSAIR MEMORY XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, Low Latency (Twin Pack) 1GB(2 x 512MB) 2x(64MX64) PC-3200LL With Black Heat Spreader.Retail
Specifications:
Speed 400 MHz
Organization 2 x 64M x 64
CAS Latency 2-2-2-6-T1
Memory type DDR
Part number: TWINX1024-3200LL Model#: TWINX1024-3200LL

woops it's two 512MB's, oh well still a good deal.
post #95 of 190
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Originally posted by maxcom29
Dude a workstation isn't just a fast machine it includes certain high level support from the seller, a guarantee to run certain apps without crashing and data loss due to software probs. This stuff costs extra, and makes workstations so much more expensive.
For example, Quadros from nVidia ship with many workstations even though they may offer the exact same performance and chip as a reg., cheaper, consumer Geforce, but in return it's drivers are more thoroughly tested and configured.

It driver are probably more thoroughly tested, but then under Windows 2K/XP with several different mobo designs that's probably a necessity, and with the best will in the world isn't you beef with ATI or nVIDIA rather than Apple - it's their product that isn't supported, it's their responsibility to step up to the plate.

A workstation from Dell arguably comes with as much support as a G5 with an AppleCare pack. And even if it doesn't, do a straight like-for-like highest common denominator price comparison!

Take the price difference, and work out how many hours of support that will buy you or how many generational upgrades of video card.
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post #96 of 190
Oh baby.

I think this is the biggest leap in speed and performance EVER in Apple's history. This dwarfs the G4 vs G3 or the 040 vs powerpc. this is a whole new level.

I am completely excited. i MAY wait for a dual 2.5, but we'll see. I'm buying a new system mainly for After Effects, Photoshop and Final Cut.

Ever single complaint about the G4 i've ever had has been addressed:

bus too slow? fixed.
Processor slow? fixed.
RAM strangled? fixed.
Front access to main ports? fixed.
price / performance? fixed.

For those very few of you wining about price, think about it for a second.

yesterday, the fastest mac available was running on a 166Mhz bus for god's sake. Today, it's dual 1ghz.

I will gladly pay extra money for a truly professional system.

And for those who want to save money, go buy an iMac. That's what they're for.

I am thoroughly happy with the announcements today. And I know I'll be damn fricking happy the first time i power up one of these suckers, sitting on my desk. Oh yeah.

HEE HEE!! Dual G5 2Ghz. 2 Gig RAM. Yeah baby.
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post #97 of 190
I am both stoked and disappointed somewhat. My disappointent comes from the Powerbook arena. I would like to replace my Gen 1 400 TiBk and was hoping that they would make a new PB come to light, even if it was a new Al 15" er. By the looks of things (high number of fans) the 970 aint gonna be inside a notebook for a while which is also disappointing. However, the new G5 specs are awesome. Panther which appears the only thing I will be able to take advantage of for a while is going to be great.
post #98 of 190
Reactions? Unbuckingfelievable! I'd rate this keynote a 9/10.

And the more I look at the G5's case, the more I like it. It's already my desktop background pic.

Two things that I didn't see covered were metadata and whether or not 10.3 would be faster on a G4 than 10.2.
post #99 of 190
I'm blown away. We all heard that the 970 was "wicked fast", but I did NOT expect this level of performance.

Just as an exercise, I priced out an "equivalent" Dell Workstation -- the "650", if I remember the model number correctly.

With dual 3.06GHz Xeons, and other parts (reasonably) equivalent, the price was 80% higher than the Dual 2GHz PowerMac. Unreal. And the PowerMac will walk all over it, performance-wise.

My name is already on a list at a local reseller to purchase the dually as soon as they get stock.

Oh yeah -- and just as an aside -- up to the release of the 17" PowerBook, I was a PC user.

-J
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post #100 of 190
Absolutely amazing machines. I couldn't be happier. It is interesting that for the first time I can think of, the high-end Powermac is the sweet spot in price/performance. I am also very happy that the Dual 2Ghz didn't break the $3k pricepoint. Very good!

As many of you have already made note, the low-end machine seems really expensive! However, it is great that you can get a Dual 1.25Ghz G4 Powermac for $1,599 on Apple's site now, and a single 1.25Ghz G4 Powermac for $1,299.

I'd be willing to bet that we'll see the iMacs updated with much faster G4's or have their prices dramatically reduced before these new Powermacs ship, just like earlier this year the iMacs appeared they made the Powermacs a bad buy, but they updated the Powermacs just days before the iMacs shipped.

Oh, and Panther's new features make me a happy boy The new Finder looks fantastic, Thank you Apple for the new Open/Save Dialog Boxes, and I think Exposé is going to be the most useful feature added to any OS in like 10 years
post #101 of 190
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Panther: omfg about time a Mac OS came with something like Font Book. I'll be buying this asap. Other features seem good, like Apple is starting to refine this fledgling OS. Xcode is very cool for developers which is a very good thing.

iSight: Neat little vid cam. Not sure I'm gonna rush out and get one however.

G5s: Damn near a home run in my book. They rounded third, almost made it home and got forced back. The speed/architecture is freakin' unbelievable compared to what we've been stuck with for so long.

My nagging points are expandability going backwards (1 optical bay, 1 hd bay, 3 pci slots) and Apple's continued reluctance to use anything but consumer-grade cards in their towers. The "crippled" GF FX 5200's in the low and mid pro machines is just silly imo.

Not sure what I think of the case yet. I'll have to see them in person. I do like Aluminum and the whole concept of airflow is cool.
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post #102 of 190
I am nothing but extremely impressed and even MORE proud to be a Mac user after today. That company has their crap together like no other!



The G5 is 5x sexier and cooler-looking than the G4s that came before (all versions). Hands down. There is no contest.

It looks like an understated, "I'm going to rip your ear off" machine, just sitting there. It's simple and low-key and just looks like a squared-away, "ready to do 'bid-ness'" machine if there's ever been one!



I said in the chat earlier that it looks like the 12" and 17" PowerBook's fat older brother...and I mean that in a good way. Squared-off, straight aluminum and that cool PowerBook-esque power button just looks so sweet and cool.

AND, most of all, in this whole era of "digital hub", cameras, iPods, camcorders, iSight, etc., Apple finally got a clue and - gasp - actually put USB, FireWire and headphone ports on the FRONT, where people using all these devices will actually appreciate them and, possibly, use them more.

How lame is it - on a machine/platform that touts itself as the digital hub and all - to go fumbling for these tiny ports on the back of you Mac all the time?

I was happier to see those three little ports on the front than anything else. That's just smart, common sense thinking...and I hope they adapt it for the LCD iMac at some point (the ULTIMATE digital hub machine). The eMac and laptops are fine as they are, of course (ports easily located/accessed on the sides).

And a co-worker made a comment that is actually quite dead-on: "it looks like a cheese grater!"





Yeah, but we're talking some fast cheese!

Here's to Apple. Here's to Steve and Jonathan. Here's to all the others who worked on this (and Panther, iSight, iChat 2, etc.

Great work, guys. Too bad I'm not a tower guy, otherwise I'd have that bastard on my desk come August!

I was really, really impressed today and I like what I heard, on both the software AND hardware fronts. Going to continue being a great 2003 and a kick-ass 2004.
post #103 of 190
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Originally posted by pscates
I am nothing but extremely impressed and even MORE proud to be a Mac user after today. That company has their crap together like no other!



The G5 is 5x sexier and cooler-looking than the G4s that came before (all versions). Hands down. There is no contest.

It looks like an understated, "I'm going to rip your ear off" machine, just sitting there. It's simple and low-key and just looks like a squared-away, "ready to do 'bid-ness'" machine if there's ever been one!



I said in the chat earlier that it looks like the 12" and 17" PowerBook's fat older brother...and I mean that in a good way. Squared-off, straight aluminum and that cool PowerBook-esque power button just looks so sweet and cool.

AND, most of all, in this whole era of "digital hub", cameras, iPods, camcorders, iSight, etc., Apple finally got a clue and - gasp - actually put USB, FireWire and headphone ports on the FRONT, where people using all these devices will actually appreciate them and, possibly, use them more.

How lame is it - on a machine/platform that touts itself as the digital hub and all - to go fumbling for these tiny ports on the back of you Mac all the time?

I was happier to see those three little ports on the front than anything else. That's just smart, common sense thinking...and I hope they adapt it for the LCD iMac at some point (the ULTIMATE digital hub machine). The eMac and laptops are fine as they are, of course (ports easily located/accessed on the sides).

And a co-worker made a comment that is actually quite dead-on: "it looks like a cheese grater!"





Here's to Apple. Here's to Steve and Jonathan. Here's to all the others who worked on this (and Panther, iSight, iChat 2, etc.

Great work, guys. Too bad I'm not a tower guy, otherwise I'd have that bastard on my desk come August!

I was really, really impressed today and I like what I heard, on both the software AND hardware fronts. Going to continue being a great 2003 and a kick-ass 2004.

I agree. It is a fantastic machine and a very impressive OS.

Anybody who is dissapointed is a total Asshead.
post #104 of 190
I was at the keynote and got to touch/see/use the g5s they had out for display afterwards. The case has a nice rugged heft to it and you can run it with the door removed if you like staring at the innards (there's a plastic barrier that you have to keep in for airflow reasons, but it's clear). The door on the front of the cd tray drops straight down like a Star Trek door, rather than hinging, which is cool. There are antenna ports on the back for airport and bluetooth, since I was told the aluminum messes with the reception. Tried to listen to the fan noise, but the place was loud so I couldn't hear much. I really liked what I saw up close...no case complaints at all.
post #105 of 190
Great keynote.

I still believe that the "accidental" stat posting on the web was very deliberate (to get the full attention of the worlds (PC) computer press and financial papers).

The Macs are (finally) as fast as the peecees (not faster - Apple would have tested fps games etc. if they were).

The only thing stopping me from ordering a TwinTower (2Gig) is that I have vowed never to buy a stationary computer again. I'll stick with my Pismo until the G5 14-15 inch surfaces. Don't care if it's only 1.2 GHurts - I'll buy it anyway. Hopefully this authumn - in the year of the POWERbook.

Hmmmm, perhaps I can persuade my boss into letting me replace my two Macs (G3 and G4 towers) at work for a new G5 TwinTower.
post #106 of 190
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Originally posted by Malaclypse
Here are all the spec scores for many platforms: http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/cpu2000.html

Dell PowerEdge 2650 (3.06 GHz Xeon) 1014 1056

Very different from the numbers Apple gave during the Keynote. Hmm.

The 1.8 AMD opteron got this 1060 1100

The published X86 SPEC scores where measured using Intel's compiler suite. Intel has been working hard on the compiler front for quite a while now, as they realized early on that good hardware (in the case of the early P4 not so good hardware...) is only one half of the equation and the quality of the software compile is the other half to get to maximum speed. That's the one thing (apart from the slight AMD64 bashing in the G5 spec paragraph) that I find a little distressing: apparently, the best PowerPC compiler available (to apple?) at the moment is GCC3.3, which accordingly was used for the G5 SPEC suite compilation. GCC3.3 for X86 however is up to 50% slower (maybe even more) than the latest Intel compiler, hence the low SPEC scores for the P4/Xeons. The same applies for multiprocessing optimizations. Of course, the average buyer, this little detail won't matter. And in what's "real world" at the moment, i.e. application benchmarks, the G5 DOES nicely trounce the rest out there!

So, apart from the SPEC thingy, I am stoked!!! And after looking at the new enclosure more closely, I must admit that I totally love it. I don't like the single drive bay, but hey - if you can shell out that much money for a computer you might want to pay some extra for an external solution, or an XRaid. By the way, in the light of SATA the omission of SCSI in the XRaid makes a lot of sense all of a sudden... .
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post #107 of 190
I'm dissapointed
post #108 of 190
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Originally posted by audiopollution
Disappointed about a couple of things:

1) Only one optical drive bay.
2) Only 2 internal HD bays.

[SNIP]

I am also a little miffed about these omissions, but especially because of some potential missed opportunities (if only more for bragging rights than any real advantages).

Here are the things that I would have Apple do in my perfect world:

1) Leave room for four HD bays, and boast about having 1 TB of internal storage.
2) Configure their DIMM slots to recognize 2GB modules so they can advertize that they can have up to 16GB of RAM, placing them very solidly into server territory.
3) Push/advertize that they were the first to break the gigahertz barrier on a system bus.

Overall, I think that the new G5's are incredible, and it's sure great to have such small things to complain about instead of ones about gaping omissions in architecture/hardware.
post #109 of 190
What I expected, when I expected it, with a case design of the quality I've come to expect. I quite like the look of the new case -- I bet it looks awesome in person. They went all out on the system architecture, which is what I was expecting to see. The ATI 9600 and 9800 are both available, which is great. The prices are pretty good too.

The new software looks good, especially Xcode (nee Project Builder). Can't wait to get my hands on that. GCC 3.3 looks like it has improved quite a bit, probably mostly for the PPC which is why the x86 scores are lame. The good thing about software, however, is that it can be updated far more easily that hardware. I expect good things from future GCC versions, and from IBM's PPC compilers. The new Finder and Mail will be welcome.

Excellent news for the day, and considering it is the developer's conference I wouldn't have expected anything more. You PowerBook weenies will get your new 15" next month (probably at MacWorld). A consumer tower wouldn't be introduced here anyhow -- who knows, it might still show up at the consumer show. There is lots of room below these towers for a lower end machine, either G4 based or with a slower G5 w/ a less memory subsystem. The important thing is that Apple is finally back in the Pro game.

Yahoo! And best of all they promise 3 GHz by the time my next upgrade comes along. Now excuse me, please, I've got to go see who I can bum a copy of the preview off of.
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post #110 of 190
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Originally posted by applenut
I'm dissapointed

Huh?
post #111 of 190
I love the case... I'm impressed with the specs. But one little thing....... why isn't it slot loading? You got this amazing case, and then a crappy beige (possibly black) plastic thing coming out of it when you eject. \
post #112 of 190
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Originally posted by maxcom29
Dude a workstation isn't just a fast machine it includes certain high level support from the seller, a guarantee to run certain apps without crashing and data loss due to software probs. This stuff costs extra, and makes workstations so much more expensive.
For example, Quadros from nVidia ship with many workstations even though they may offer the exact same performance and chip as a reg., cheaper, consumer Geforce, but in return it's drivers are more thoroughly tested and configured.

Your partially true, as I used to work in the graphics department of a particular PC vendor. They do certify certain workstation apps like ProE, etc., which can add to the cost. However, the graphics cards are identical between the GL and non-GL cards. The only difference is a device ID on the GPU. This ID is detected by the graphics driver, which is the same for GL and non-GL, to determine whether it is GL or non-GL. If it's GL, the driver will enable the GL performance enhancements, which aren't much. A GL card will enable hardware anti-aliasing lines and one other performance feature that the non-GL card won't do because the BIOS and Graphics driver won't allow it.

As well, because comanies want these features and don't have much options, nVidia and ATI and charge a few hundred dollars more on the GL card than the non-GL card despite the fact that they are identical in every way except for the Device ID, which itself is the same except for one bit.

Overall, the hardware in a workstation can be the same as in non-workstation. Also, because the drivers are the same between GL cards and non-GL cards, they are tested all the same, technically.

Whether Apple does this or not, is up to them. Keep in mind, though, Apple really doesn't have a reputation for shoddy software/hardware that isn't stable. Also, given the fact that companies like Apple can be liable for data-loss, etc. that comes from poor driver support or hardware, I assume stability about using the certified apps is already assured.

Regards!
post #113 of 190
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Originally posted by applenut
I'm dissapointed

In what way, applenut? Price-wise? Yeah, that's a bit of a dinger (and doesn't bode too well for any 970 PowerBook that may come out in the next 6-10 months).



I'm pretty much thinking that these great recent pricecuts on the PowerBooks are for this last batch of G4-based PowerBooks (the revved 12", updated aluminum 15" and whatever tweak the 17" may get in the coming months). Then when/if the PowerBooks get a G5, POW...prices back up to previous (or higher) ranges.

Rats...
post #114 of 190
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Originally posted by JLL
As usual that says a lot more about Adobe's code than Apple's machines

Yeah, nice one. But the problem is it's Adobe's code we're using.
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post #115 of 190
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Originally posted by Clive
Yeah, nice one. But the problem is it's Adobe's code we're using.

I'm just watching the keynote, and what the Adobe guy said was that the new Power Macs are more than twice as fast as any machine they've seen - not any Mac.
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95% percent of the boat is owned by Microsoft, but the 5% Apple controls happens to be the rudder!
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post #116 of 190
I'm just so happy right now, what a great day, esp being it the store around other mac users. Plus I saw a few laptops with ichat open and their browers tuned to AI . The future's so bright I gotta wear
post #117 of 190
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Originally posted by JLL
I'm just watching the keynote, and what the Adobe guy said was that the new Power Macs are more than twice as fast as any machine they've seen - not any Mac.

in the video the prez says twice as fast as any mac, on stage they said something like 2.1 times as fast as a dual 3.06ghz Xeon
post #118 of 190
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Originally posted by Ti Fighter
in the video the prez says twice as fast as any mac, on stage they said something like 2.1 times as fast as a dual 3.06ghz Xeon

He said twice as fast as any machine in the keynote - I'm watching it right now. 2.1 times as fast as a dual 3.06GHz Xeon is also more than twice as fast as the DP1.42GHz PMG4.
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95% percent of the boat is owned by Microsoft, but the 5% Apple controls happens to be the rudder!
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post #119 of 190
the case is ugly as ****
post #120 of 190
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Originally posted by Akumulator
....... why isn't it slot loading?

Because a PowerMac should be able to play any type of media out there: normal sized DVDs/CDs, 3.5" cds, and also odd shaped cds like those cd business cards. Also, I've never seen a tray loader scratch a cd. At one point I had a car stereo (slot loader) that scratched every cd I put into it. The grasping mechanism was old and scratched every cd it touched. Not cool.
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