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post #1 of 211
12/3/02 at 5:39am
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Here's the full text iPhone trademark:

<a href="http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/T_srch.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/T_srch.htm</a>

(Direct link isn't really possible due to the way that website works)

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iPhone (From Aust. TM DB)
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Word: IPHONE
Image:
Lodgement Date: 17-OCT-2002
Convention Details: 19-APR-2002
2002 3555
SWITZERLAND
Acceptance Due: 25-JAN-2004
First Report: 25-OCT-2002
Class/es: 9, 38, 42
Status: Under Examination - Extension Fees Not Required
Kind: n/a
Type: Word
Examiner: Halina STAWSKI

Owner/s: Apple Computer, Inc
1 Infinite Loop MS 3TM, Cupertino,
California 95014
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Address for Service: CLAYTON UTZ
PO Box H3
AUSTRALIA SQUARE
1215,NSW

Goods & Services

Class: 9 Computer hardware and software

Class: 38 Communication by computer; communication between computers; rental and rental of communication apparatus and electronic post fans for personal use; electronic news services; electronic sending of data and stands on Internet or other data bank; supply of data and news by electronic sending; obtaining of access for electronic news services relating to here by shop of information and data on the Internet

Class: 42 Computer services; development and sale of media for use in computer networks, cable in bulk networks and worldwide communication networks; web site hosting; woven -site- hosting; software leasing; advisory services relating to computers, software electronics, telecommunication, security and -authentisierung-; enable of information, computer networks, cable in bulk networks and worldwide communication networks; advisory services and computer technical support services, computer networks, software and computer operated stands management and -workgroup-assembly on computer networks and worldwide communication networks; enable of software updating by computer networks and worldwide - komunikationsnetzwerke-; enable of on line magazine in area of computers and computer software

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I IPHONE
LTR

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post #2 of 211
12/3/02 at 5:42am
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Also - you all know/remember where the iPod details were first leaked/confirmed right?

Yep. That very same Australian TM database! :eek:

Here is the text from the iPod so we can compare/contrast:

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iPod (From Aust. TM DB)
======================
Word: IPOD
Image:
Lodgement Date: 02-OCT-2001
Convention Details: 31-AUG-2001
08612/2001
SWITZERLAND
Registered From: 02-OCT-2001
Acceptance Advertised: 11-APR-2002
Registration Advertised: 01-AUG-2002
Sealing Date: 22-JUL-2002
Renewal Due: 02-OCT-2011
Class/es: 9, 28, 38, 42
Status: Registered/Protected
Kind: n/a
Type: Word

Owner/s: Apple Computer, Inc
1 Infinite Loop,
MS : 3TM, Cupertino,
California 95014
UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
Address for Service: CLAYTON UTZ
PO Box H3
AUSTRALIA SQUARE
1215,NSW

Goods & Services

Class: 9 Computers, computer hardware, computer peripherals, hand held computers, personal digital assistants, electronic organisers, electronic notepads, apparatus for recording, transmission and reproduction of sounds, images, or other data; magnetic data carriers; mobile digital electronic devices, telephones, computer gaming machines, microprocessors, memories boards, monitors, displays, keyboards, cables, modems, printers, videophones, disk drives, cameras; computer software, prerecorded computer programs for personal information management, database management software, character recognition software, telephony management software, electronic mail and messaging software, paging software, database synchronization software, computer programs for accessing, browsing and searching online databases, computer software and firmware, namely operating system programs, data synchronization programs, and application development tool programs for personal and handheld computers; electronic handheld devices for the wireless receipt and/or transmission of data, particularly messages, and devices that enable the user to keep track of or manage personal information; software for the redirection of messages, Internet e-mail, and/or other data to one or more electronic handheld devices from a data store on or associated with a personal computer or a server; and software for the synchronization of data between a remote station or device and a fixed or remote station or device; computer hardware and peripherals

Class: 28 Games and playthings, namely, electronic games, hand-held electronic games and apparatus

Class: 38 Communication and telecommunication services, providing telecommunications access to web sites on the Internet; delivery of digital music by telecommunications, providing wireless telecommunications via electronic communications networks, wireless digital messaging, paging services, and electronic mail services, including services that enable a user to send and/or receive messages through a wireless data network; one-way and two-way paging services

Class: 42 Provision of access to websites containing digital content and information on a wide range of topics, including provision of online access

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IPOD

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post #3 of 211
12/3/02 at 5:47am
Just what the world needs, another freakin cell phone.



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post #4 of 211
12/3/02 at 5:48am
so, how long from registering the iPod TM to release to the public? that might give us an ETA for the iPhone...
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post #5 of 211
12/3/02 at 5:51am
[quote]Acceptance Due: 25-JAN-2004.[/QB]<hr></blockquote>
Maybe not soon enough!?
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post #6 of 211
12/3/02 at 5:52am
"Just what we need, another freaking MP3 player" -- Everyone, a week before seeing the iPod.

"I want one" -- Everyone, the hour after seeing the iPod..
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post #7 of 211
12/3/02 at 5:52am
[quote]Originally posted by DaveGee:<strong>
Word: IPHONE
Image:</strong><hr></blockquote>
Could you please post the image if there is one.
[quote]<strong>
Lodgement Date: 17-OCT-2002
Convention Details: 19-APR-2002
2002 3555
SWITZERLAND
</strong><hr></blockquote>
Switzerland? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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post #8 of 211
12/3/02 at 5:53am
doesn't seem to describe a phone if you ask me... seems more like iSync...
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post #9 of 211
12/3/02 at 6:11am
[quote]Originally posted by Harald:
<strong>"Just what we need, another freaking MP3 player" -- Everyone, a week before seeing the iPod.

"I want one" -- Everyone, the hour after seeing the iPod..</strong><hr></blockquote>


Yes, but at least the iPod is somewhat cool.

Have you seen the iPhone prototype? It's Southpark Gay.
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post #10 of 211
12/3/02 at 6:11am
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[quote]Originally posted by cadnuts:
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Maybe not soon enough!?</strong><hr></blockquote>

I don't think you can go by the 2004 date you quoted ... Just look at the iPod:

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Acceptance Advertised: 11-APR-2002
Registration Advertised: 01-AUG-2002
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And it was released in Fall of 2001

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post #11 of 211
12/3/02 at 6:13am
[quote]Originally posted by MacLuv:
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Yes, but at least the iPod is somewhat cool.

Have you seen the iPhone prototype? It's Southpark Gay.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Mr. Luv, may I just point out that you haven't seen the iPhone prototype?

Thank you.
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post #12 of 211
12/3/02 at 6:18am
Well, at the time, there was room to make a much better MP3 player.

With Cell phones, I am not sure just how much even Apple could do to make it "alot" better.
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12/3/02 at 6:35am
[quote]Originally posted by DaveGee:
<strong>

I don't think you can go by the 2004 date you quoted ... Just look at the iPod:

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Acceptance Advertised: 11-APR-2002
Registration Advertised: 01-AUG-2002
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And it was released in Fall of 2001

Dave</strong><hr></blockquote>

True but look at the "Lodgement" and "Registered" dates for the iPod. Early October 2001. Three weeks later the iPod was revealed.

So if lightning has struck twice for the Australian patent office, then I'd day MWSF.

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post #14 of 211
12/3/02 at 6:41am
The description doesn't "ring true" for a cell/mobile phone. It's more like an extension phone, using your computer to access and then transmit data to the "iphone". There's no way Apple can make a cell/mobile phone that would work for all companies systems without costing too much. Also, the industry works like this: Get a phone (usually at or below actual cost) and committ for a year (or more). If you want to replace your phone a few years down the line, it's not nearly as cheap. My thoughts.
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post #15 of 211
12/3/02 at 6:45am
[quote]Originally posted by msantti:
<strong>Well, at the time, there was room to make a much better MP3 player.

With Cell phones, I am not sure just how much even Apple could do to make it "alot" better.</strong><hr></blockquote>

That's STILL what everyone said when they heard Apple released an MP3 player.

Apple's breakeven for the iPod was (if I recall correctly, someone else can remind me) only 5% of market share of that tiny market. It only worked with a Mac fergodssake.

IF they enter this market (and I'm not 100% convinced they will, ® or not) they will enter with expectations very low. An expensive killer product with unique functions related to the Digital Hub.

Anyway the killer features are .mac (iCal / Address Book) integration and lowest-cost instant messaging via Address book / iChat / email / SMS. That's why the ® application stresses computer-computer communication over telecommunications (which is mentioned). I ping you a message via Address Book. It shows up on your iPhone no matter where you are, but if you're within Bluetooth range of your Mac it costs me not a penny. If not it costs me an SMS. If someone changes a date on a calendar I'm subscribed to it shows up immediately. My alarms follow me around. More stuff like this. Bung in Rendezvous and stupidly easy MMS / other uses of imaging using iPhoto integration and I can imagine a very sexy product that you will want to buy quite a lot.

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post #16 of 211
12/3/02 at 7:03am
the stumbling block to me is the amount of different phone formats/networks out there. Apple can't hope to support them all.

But what if this iPhone was not really a phone as we know it, but more of a messaging device. Something like a HipTop?
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post #17 of 211
12/3/02 at 7:06am
I was just talking to my wife about getting another phone (we share a single cell phone). The advantage of an Apple cell phone would be all the secondary things that it would have. Complete integration with the Mac, unique features. We'll see what becomes of this. Nice find!
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post #18 of 211
12/3/02 at 7:08am
[quote]Originally posted by Harald:
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Mr. Luv, may I just point out that you haven't seen the iPhone prototype?

Thank you.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Really? What the hell is this?



Looks pretty Southpark Gay to me.



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12/3/02 at 7:10am
[quote]Originally posted by othello:
<strong>the stumbling block to me is the amount of different phone formats/networks out there. Apple can't hope to support them all.

But what if this iPhone was not really a phone as we know it, but more of a messaging device. Something like a HipTop?</strong><hr></blockquote>

There's only two things they have to support:

CDMA (used in USA and Korea)
GSM (used everywhere else from Madagascar to Manchester)

Variants of these are fairly trivial software only despite what your network claims (on this I am serious); and in exactly the same way that the iPod uses 100% non-Apple technology inside I can easily imagine a similar badge-engineered device that's 100% Apple but with a comparitively LOW R'n'D costs (hence higher margin, lower breakeven) and quick speed to market. Reasonably un-risky.

I'm talking myself round to the idea.

[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: Harald ]</p>
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12/3/02 at 7:16am
[quote]Originally posted by MacLuv:
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Really? What the hell is this? ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

That is a REALLY shît mockup using a bit of Palm, a lot of Photoshop and no design sense whatsoever, taken from a rumour site with less credibility then Henry Kissinger.
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12/3/02 at 7:16am
[quote]Originally posted by Harald:
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There's only two things they have to support:

CDMA (used in USA and Korea)
GSM (used everywhere else from Madagascar to Manchester)

Variants of these are fairly trivial software only despite what your network claims (on this I am serious); and in exactly the same way that the iPod uses 100% non-Apple technology inside I can easily imagine a similar badge-engineered device that's 100% Apple but with a comparitively LOW R'n'D costs (hence higher margin, lower breakeven) and quick speed to market. Reasonably un-risky.

I'm talking myself round to the idea.

[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: Harald ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

so...

Could Apple make one product and supply 2 versions, one for CDMA and one for GSM? What about dual-band/tri-band (you'll seeing that my knowledge is a little weak in this area)?

We know that Apple have used one out of two of the agreed pieces of software with Pixo (for the iPod). Perhaps this is number 2?
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12/3/02 at 7:22am
[quote]Originally posted by Harald:
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That is a REALLY shît mockup using a bit of Palm, a lot of Photoshop and no design sense whatsoever, taken from a rumour site with less credibility then Henry Kissinger.</strong><hr></blockquote>

No, that's a picture from Sciences et Avenir magazine.

Have a nice day.
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12/3/02 at 7:25am
[quote]Originally posted by MacLuv:
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No, that's a picture from Sciences et Avenir magazine.

Have a nice day. </strong><hr></blockquote>

Au contraire.

It is indeed an awfully, notoriously, bottomlessly shit mockup originally posted (I believe) on Spymac.

And thank Christ for that, because you're certainly right in describing it as 'gay'.
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post #24 of 211
12/3/02 at 7:25am
This is the real deal now. Besides the url of iphone.org, Apple is set to introduce a new digital device, called the iPhone.

Good work. I wonder if other trademark databases from different countries are online...... hmmmm......
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12/3/02 at 7:28am
[quote]Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah:
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Au contraire.

It is indeed an awfully, notoriously, bottomlessly shit mockup originally posted (I believe) on Spymac.

And thank Christ for that, because you're certainly right in describing it as 'gay'.</strong><hr></blockquote>

Man, you guys gotta take all the piss outta everything, don't you... couldn't let me just have my fun...



<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
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post #26 of 211
12/3/02 at 7:28am
[quote]Originally posted by othello:
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so...

Could Apple make one product and supply 2 versions, one for CDMA and one for GSM? What about dual-band/tri-band (you'll seeing that my knowledge is a little weak in this area)?

We know that Apple have used one out of two of the agreed pieces of software with Pixo (for the iPod). Perhaps this is number 2?</strong><hr></blockquote>

Apple won't be making the radios for these devices. EG Sony Ericsson have standard reference platforms for which they swap out transceivers and antennae ... IF Apple do this, they'd go this route. The reason it doesn't make a huge difference is that either air interface will be used for sending IP data destined for their web servers, and Bluetooth which is independent of either. The killer stuff won't depend on network in other words, but on integration with the Wider Digital Hub (ie Mac + .Mac). The "band" issue is what I referred to when I mean trivial software ... GSM 900 v GSM 1800 is a software issue (the ariel works for both as the frequencies are multiples of each other) ...

If I was being really hubristic with fortune-telling abilities I'd expect them to produce two phones: one a dual band GSM for use everywhere in the world apart from the states, and one for use in the US to keep the costs down a bit ... "world" phones are wee bit more tricky.

Pixo developed their software to drive mobile phones. Fact. Their website used to lead with this, but they buried it a while ago. Could well be so, but I who knows. There may be better choices ... I wonder if they're a Symbian licensee ... ?
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post #27 of 211
12/3/02 at 7:31am
Hmmm. could be true. apple has also filed an application in the UK for Iphone. here is a link.


<a href="http://webdb4.patent.gov.uk/cgi-bin/casablanca/cb_cgi?cb_dialogue=dlg_tmer85&detailsrequested=C&t rademark=E2901007" target="_blank">UK trademark</a>

Nothing in the US yet though. Another company holds the Iphone trademark in the US. Perhaps this is for Non US market. Therefore , GSM phone is most likely.
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12/3/02 at 7:32am
Note:

On the history page of the application, there is a note referring to the "expedition of application." I would assume that that means that Apple is anxious to get this thing rolling.

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TM Number 930990

Date Lodged : 22-OCT-02
Date Advertised :
Amendment Date : 22-OCT-02
Std Notice Nos : 2
Despatch Date : 24-OCT-02
Type : Expedition of Application
Amender : Margaret FAIRBROTHER
Approver : Margaret FAIRBROTHER
Reference :
Reason : APPLICANT'S REQUEST
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post #29 of 211
12/3/02 at 7:33am
[quote]Originally posted by MacLuv:
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Man, you guys gotta take all the piss outta everything, don't you... couldn't let me just have my fun...



<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>

Sorry Luv.
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12/3/02 at 7:40am
[quote]Originally posted by Hassan i Sabbah:
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Sorry Luv.</strong><hr></blockquote>

<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />

totally.

<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />

Yeah, so Apple puts out an iPhone. I live in New Zealand. Phones out here can cost up to NZ$1500. In the States I had three cellphones. I don't think I would want another one.
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12/3/02 at 7:41am
[quote]Originally posted by Jamil:
<strong>Hmmm. could be true. apple has also filed an application in the UK for Iphone. here is a link.


<a href="http://webdb4.patent.gov.uk/cgi-bin/casablanca/cb_cgi?cb_dialogue=dlg_tmer85&detailsrequested=C&t rademark=E2901007" target="_blank">UK trademark</a>

Nothing in the US yet though. Another company holds the Iphone trademark in the US. Perhaps this is for Non US market. Therefore , GSM phone is most likely.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I, for once, am hereby a believer in this.

I reckon the work with Cingular in US means it's coming out there. But if they concentrate on one model.
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12/3/02 at 7:41am
[quote]Originally posted by Jamil:
<strong>Hmmm. could be true. apple has also filed an application in the UK for Iphone. here is a link.


<a href="http://webdb4.patent.gov.uk/cgi-bin/casablanca/cb_cgi?cb_dialogue=dlg_tmer85&detailsrequested=C&t rademark=E2901007" target="_blank">UK trademark</a>

Nothing in the US yet though. Another company holds the Iphone trademark in the US. Perhaps this is for Non US market. Therefore , GSM phone is most likely.</strong><hr></blockquote>

yeah like Apple will really do something for us Europeans over their US customers...

we don't even get an Apple store!
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12/3/02 at 7:51am
[quote]Originally posted by MacLuv:
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Really? What the hell is this?
</strong><hr></blockquote>

It looks like the kind of crap you might find on SpyMac. It's just as fake and ugly as all of their other mock-ups.
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12/3/02 at 7:51am
[quote]Originally posted by othello:
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yeah like Apple will really do something for us Europeans over their US customers...

we don't even get an Apple store!</strong><hr></blockquote>

You know what, you're right. Not for technical reasons, but beaurocracy. The only drawback is getting a handset qualified for use on a network, especially with a data-oriented device. It takes a fairly lengthy procedure to make sure a device doesn't crash a network ... and then you have to get retail "ins" at the tied distributors.

US networks are actually more forward looking then the UK ones even if they've got dodgy networks as a group. Cingular v O2 is a particularly good example.

Apple UK are morons -- a second-rate marketing department without any executive clout or proaction. I just can't see them pushing this without SERIOUS buy in from Cupertino ... (Are you reading this? Good).

... who vaguely remember that they might have sold some computers in Europe once. Paris, I think. If there's one area where they're weak it's understanding (OK, caring about) the European market. And this device won't be on a UK network without some serious liason between Apple and the networks. Which they'll both screw up.

Gypsy Harald predicts: iPhone, Q1 next year, US only "in Europe later this year," cool as hell, and the first time (but not the last) that a US mobile product is more innovative then something from Asia or Europe.

But what do I know?
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12/3/02 at 7:59am
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Cell phone from Apple. Who the hell would one made by them? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

Of course if it's a video conferencing software that would be another story

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12/3/02 at 8:01am
[quote]Originally posted by Leonis:
<strong>Cell phone from Apple. Who the hell would one made by them? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

Of course if it's a video conferencing software that would be another story

[ 12-03-2002: Message edited by: Leonis ]</strong><hr></blockquote>

Me. I'd buy one.

EDIT: Oh GOD you're right aren't you. Based on the gubbins in the TM application, it's more likely an iAPP isn't it?

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12/3/02 at 8:02am
[quote]Originally posted by Leonis:
<strong>Cell phone from Apple. Who the hell would one made by them? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />

Of course if it's a video conferencing software that would be another story

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MP3 player from Apple. Who the hell would one made by them? <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" />
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12/3/02 at 8:10am
Oh my god.

What if this iPhone truly is an "iPhone"?

Imagine if you put all the powerful "Sherlock like" web sevices into this phone? Lookup airline flight arrivals and departures? Look up maps? Look up movie locations and times? Convert French to English when you are at a Paris Cafe?

Instead of a stupid browser on a phone, what if its a true "iPhone". Wireless Web services (XML baby!) Light! Fast! Easy! Low Bandwidth! No Brainer!

Would you buy a cell phone like that?
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12/3/02 at 8:16am
my prediction (and its a total off the top of head one)...

...is that its not a 'phone', its a 'device' which has phone like qualities. but also things we have not thought of.

so, its more of a messaging device

perhaps it even piggybacks on an iPod
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12/3/02 at 8:22am
[quote]Originally posted by othello:
<strong>my prediction (and its a total off the top of head one)...

...is that its not a 'phone', its a 'device' which has phone like qualities. but also things we have not thought of.

so, its more of a messaging device

perhaps it even piggybacks on an iPod</strong><hr></blockquote>


Hmmm... yes, I agree. (thinking off the top of my head too) I think there are some we have not thought of too.

I don't think it is an attachment to the iPod. iPods have like 3 different sizes. (yes they are very very small dimensions differences, i know)
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