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post #1 of 553
6/24/03 at 3:54pm
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Does anyone have any requests for Panther?

I cannot take screen shots but I will try to answer any questions that you have.

By the way, here is my test machine:

PowerMac G4 - 350MHz
384MBs Memory
10GB Hard Drive
AGP ATI Rage 128 Pro
DVD ROM
16" Apple Studio Display (15" viewable)
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post #2 of 553
6/24/03 at 4:02pm
Is it possible to switch between Aqua and Brushed Metal? Or do we have to live with that ugly finder? Can you put other stuff in the finder toolbar like you could before? Or is the tool button a replacement for all that? Can you check if Finder is Cocoa or Carbon.
Do you notice and obvious speed improvements?
Any new utilities or apps?
Any new functions in the dock or is it the same as Jaguar?
Expose looks really nice! Is it? And is it fast?
Any new system preferences?
How does labels works, can you configure them?
Have you tried user switching and if so, is it fast?
These are just some of my questions to start with...
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post #3 of 553
6/24/03 at 4:32pm
Write about it! Tell us how you feel, what are you impressions? How's speed? How's the new finder feel? Read off the menu options? Anything elegant that was hidden before?

What about the dock?

Please let us know.
on AIM brainchild2b if you send me screenshots I'll host them, if you can't or don't want to I understand (i figured you didn't because you have nowhere to host)

But please feel us in on what panther thus far "feels like" does it work well on your old machine?

How about expose and fancy login? You don't have quartz extreme, how do those features work?
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post #4 of 553
6/24/03 at 4:34pm
Here's mine.

- What's in System Preferences > Appearance?
- How does Exposé handle minimized windows?
- Can windows be navigated by keyboard after Exposé is activated, or just by mouse?

Thanks.
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post #5 of 553
6/24/03 at 4:35pm
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Originally posted by conny
Is it possible to switch between Aqua and Brushed Metal? Nope.

Or do we have to live with that ugly finder? It really is not to bad.

Can you put other stuff in the finder toolbar like you could before? Or is the tool button a replacement for all that? Yes you can.

Can you check if Finder is Cocoa or Carbon. Tell me how to verify and I will.

Do you notice and obvious speed improvements? Yes

Any new utilities or apps? Applications I see Font Book, iChat AV (just named iChat), and that is it.

Any new functions in the dock or is it the same as Jaguar? Nope, same as before but there is a new Finder icon.

Expose looks really nice! Is it? And is it fast? Yes, and I do not have a Quartz Extreme enabled machine!

Any new system preferences? Yes, Desktop & Screen Saver, Expose, Security, Keyboard & Mouse, Print & Fax and Accounts.

How does labels works, can you configure them? Nope. Just like Steve showed, you can do it from the contextual menu in the folders or in the File menue in the Finder.

Have you tried user switching and if so, is it fast?
These are just some of my questions to start with...It is fast, but not the cool Keynote transition since I do not have Quartz Extreme on this machine.
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post #6 of 553
6/24/03 at 4:48pm
Sweet thanks for the info.

My guess is in the next 6 months they will upgrade the dock and add in a bunch of there cool small features. It appears they were kept busy with the finder rewrite.

So how much 'faster' does everything feel. Does it feel better threaded. Is it "wow" faster or just "slightly-I-cleaned-out-my-caches" faster?

Good to hear about expose, I have been wanting something like this for years. It will make my 3,000 document day 500% faster!
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post #7 of 553
6/24/03 at 4:50pm
Also tell us about print dialogs? are they much better? they used to SUCK. too many windows...

how about dragging a folder into the dock? any faster? Maybe they included the old dock and haven't updated that yet.

How is the new "low key" aqua stripes?

What really stands out to you? How's the new clock? The new calculator? Any changes in quicktime?
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post #8 of 553
6/24/03 at 5:27pm
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Originally posted by Apple Panther
Can you check if Finder is Cocoa or Carbon. Tell me how to verify and I will.

While in the Finder, press the help key on your keyboard (left of the 'home' key and above the forward delete key). If your mouse cursor turns into a question mark, then it's a Cocoa app.

If the Help Center loads instead, then it's a Carbon app.
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post #9 of 553
6/24/03 at 5:39pm
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Originally posted by frawgz
While in the Finder, press the help key on your keyboard (left of the 'home' key and above the forward delete key). If your mouse cursor turns into a question mark, then it's a Cocoa app.

If the Help Center loads instead, then it's a Carbon app.

Whoa! that's nifty.

My question: Appearance. I'm getting quite sick of just aqua blue and graphite, are there any more options in Panther?
Computer: Cedric
Specs: eMac, 700MHz PowerPC G4, 384MB of RAM, 40GB HD, CD-RW drive, nVidia GeForce 2 MX, Mac OS X 10.1.5/Mac OS 9.2.2
Media: 1800 tunes, 78 photos, 3 movies, no DVD's.
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Computer: Cedric
Specs: eMac, 700MHz PowerPC G4, 384MB of RAM, 40GB HD, CD-RW drive, nVidia GeForce 2 MX, Mac OS X 10.1.5/Mac OS 9.2.2
Media: 1800 tunes, 78 photos, 3 movies, no DVD's.
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post #10 of 553
6/24/03 at 6:03pm
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by frawgz
While in the Finder, press the help key on your keyboard (left of the 'home' key and above the forward delete key). If your mouse cursor turns into a question mark, then it's a Cocoa app.

If the Help Center loads instead, then it's a Carbon app.

Well it highlights the Macintosh HD icon, though no question mark cursor.

Over all speed seems a lot faster. Putting stuff into the dock is fast, not sure about faster though.

It feels like Mac OS X has really matured in many ways and I really do think this will be the clad iron UNIX OS for the rest of us.

I am no guru on UNIX but it just feels...solid and beautiful. No more pin stripes on anything, not even an option. Beautiful new UI changes in the various Preference panes. Font Book looks just incredible. Good-bye ATM Adobe!

In Address Book you can create a template with what shows up when you do a new contact. You can also check a box that will automatically format phone numbers. You can add LDAP servers with one click.

In Image Capture you can now share scanners and cameras over web-sharing. Nothing on additional scanner drivers though.

Print dialogs now have Preview Save As PDF... Fax Cancel and print. You also get more options, Copies and Pages, Layout, Scheduler (you can tell it to print the document at a specific time!), ColorSync, and Summary.

Now under the edit menu in applications you have, Find, Spelling and Speech.

Contextual menus in the finder now include, New Folder, Get Info, Change Desktop Background..., Enable Finder Actions and Configure Folder Actions. When control clicking on an item in the finder you get, Open, Get Info, Color Label, Move to Trash, Duplicate, Make Alias, Copy, Enable Folder Actions, and Configure Folder Actions...
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post #11 of 553
6/24/03 at 6:07pm
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dog Almighty
My question: Appearance. I'm getting quite sick of just aqua blue and graphite, are there any more options in Panther?

No.
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post #12 of 553
6/24/03 at 6:12pm
Aw
Computer: Cedric
Specs: eMac, 700MHz PowerPC G4, 384MB of RAM, 40GB HD, CD-RW drive, nVidia GeForce 2 MX, Mac OS X 10.1.5/Mac OS 9.2.2
Media: 1800 tunes, 78 photos, 3 movies, no DVD's.
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Computer: Cedric
Specs: eMac, 700MHz PowerPC G4, 384MB of RAM, 40GB HD, CD-RW drive, nVidia GeForce 2 MX, Mac OS X 10.1.5/Mac OS 9.2.2
Media: 1800 tunes, 78 photos, 3 movies, no DVD's.
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post #13 of 553
6/24/03 at 6:26pm
Dog:

We will get a haxie or Apple will add it in soon. Many early versions had lots of rumored features that aren't in this build. My guess is they took alot out and just went to show off the stable code base.

Last time Apple developed for 6 additional months on an OS there were TONS of features added. It looks like they focused on making the core faster, which after all is the killer feature.
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post #14 of 553
6/24/03 at 6:27pm
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Originally posted by Apple Panther
Well it highlights the Macintosh HD icon, though no question mark cursor.

Can you do a second check?

Drag a Finder window underneath the Dock, if the window goes underneath the Dock, it's Cocoa. If the window titlebar refuses to go underneath the Dock, it's Carbon.

10.3 may have corrected this inconsistency though...a test on other 'known' carbon apps would have to be done.
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post #15 of 553
6/24/03 at 6:32pm
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Originally posted by kim kap sol
Can you do a second check?

Drag a Finder window underneath the Dock, if the window goes underneath the Dock, it's Cocoa. If the window titlebar refuses to go underneath the Dock, it's Carbon.

10.3 may have corrected this inconsistency though...a test on other 'known' carbon apps would have to be done.

To be clearer: the titlebar of a window.
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post #16 of 553
6/24/03 at 6:40pm
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Originally posted by webmail
Dog:

We will get a haxie or Apple will add it in soon. Many early versions had lots of rumored features that aren't in this build. My guess is they took alot out and just went to show off the stable code base.

Last time Apple developed for 6 additional months on an OS there were TONS of features added. It looks like they focused on making the core faster, which after all is the killer feature.

Yeah, I know, it's not really finished yet. Maybe I won't have to resort to overwhelming their inbox with suggestions, yet.
Computer: Cedric
Specs: eMac, 700MHz PowerPC G4, 384MB of RAM, 40GB HD, CD-RW drive, nVidia GeForce 2 MX, Mac OS X 10.1.5/Mac OS 9.2.2
Media: 1800 tunes, 78 photos, 3 movies, no DVD's.
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Computer: Cedric
Specs: eMac, 700MHz PowerPC G4, 384MB of RAM, 40GB HD, CD-RW drive, nVidia GeForce 2 MX, Mac OS X 10.1.5/Mac OS 9.2.2
Media: 1800 tunes, 78 photos, 3 movies, no DVD's.
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post #17 of 553
6/24/03 at 6:57pm
You have that backwards. if it stays under the dock it's carbon.

Cocoa windows will "pop back up" right? because finder windows in 10.2 stay under the dock, and they are carbon.
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post #18 of 553
6/24/03 at 7:01pm
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Quote:
Originally posted by kim kap sol
Can you do a second check?

Drag a Finder window underneath the Dock, if the window goes underneath the Dock, it's Cocoa. If the window titlebar refuses to go underneath the Dock, it's Carbon.

10.3 may have corrected this inconsistency though...a test on other 'known' carbon apps would have to be done.

It refuses to go under the dock. Carbon.
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post #19 of 553
6/24/03 at 7:04pm
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Originally posted by Apple Panther
It refuses to go under the dock. Carbon.

Well...that answers that.
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post #20 of 553
6/24/03 at 7:08pm
No signs of a new filesystem? Panther so far is amazing but, I hope Steve has kept a crapload of stuff secret and out of the dev build so that MS can't start copying them early.
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post #21 of 553
6/24/03 at 7:10pm
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Originally posted by kim kap sol
No signs of a new filesystem? Panther so far is amazing but, I hope Steve has kept a crapload of stuff secret and out of the dev build so that MS can't start copying them early.

Again, I am no UNIX guru. If there is something you would like me to do in the command let me know and I will try it out.
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post #22 of 553
6/24/03 at 7:10pm
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Originally posted by Apple Panther

Now under the edit menu in applications you have, Find, Spelling and Speech.

Is there a new text to speech engine?
When they said "Think Different", I ran with it.
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When they said "Think Different", I ran with it.
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post #23 of 553
6/24/03 at 7:13pm
Could the new Finder work the way does without some kind of enhancement to the FS...?

Don't know; asking the educated public.
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post #24 of 553
6/24/03 at 7:20pm
Are there any other tools available for the Finder's toolbar?

Anyway, thanks a lot, Apple Panther.
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post #25 of 553
6/24/03 at 7:23pm
Is iPhoto faster?
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post #26 of 553
6/24/03 at 7:25pm
I have 10.2.6 on a QuickSilver. My Finder windows stay under the Dock, my Safari 1.0 windows stay under the dock. But I also have it positioned on the left at the start (hack) (TinkerTools I think). It's obviously not that definitive. Unless I got some strange build of Jaguar.
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post #27 of 553
6/24/03 at 7:27pm
To cross-pollinate a bit, even more Panther info is being revealed over here. It sounds incredible. Enjoy.
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post #28 of 553
6/24/03 at 7:27pm
Well, I guess I'll hop in as well.

Anything new in the Finder's preferences?

In the Finder, what do selected items look like? Is the icon darker, like in previous versions of the Mac OS, or is there a rounded gray square behind the icon, Ã* la NeXTSTEP? Does the filename get highlighted too, or just the icon?

-Heady
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post #29 of 553
6/24/03 at 8:44pm
Anyone who has panther screenshots hit me up on AIM brainchild2b and I will host them.
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post #30 of 553
6/24/03 at 9:07pm
What happens when you collapse the toolbar in the Finder window? Can you still navigate the Classic Way? If so, do all the windows that are spawned have that sidebar on them?
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post #31 of 553
6/24/03 at 9:13pm
Try typing this into Terminal:

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nm /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder | grep NSApp

If you see any NSApp/NSApplication symbols, you'll probably know it's a Cocoa app. If nothing comes up, it's probably still Carbon.

[edit by Brad -- I made this a quote instead of code so it wouldn't break the thread's formatting. The above command, though, is just ONE LINE and should be entered as such in the Terminal.]
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post #32 of 553
6/24/03 at 9:25pm
i second Fluffy's request. can you collapse the buttons/sidebar and navigate the Classic way?
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post #33 of 553
6/24/03 at 9:45pm
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Originally posted by Apple Panther
Is it possible to switch between Aqua and Brushed Metal? Nope.

btw, did you actually try to hack the Finder nib file to do this, or were you just looking for a switch in the UI somewhere?
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post #34 of 553
6/24/03 at 9:57pm
I'm making this the "official" Panther show-off thread.

"Sticky!"



Anyone other than Apple Panther who wants to post some information about or snapshots of the current WWDC build of Panther may do so here as well.
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post #35 of 553
6/24/03 at 10:02pm
Simple question...

1 - Switch between two or more users (I can't wait for this feature) have something running and in an unsaved state
2 - Install something that requires a restart (what warnings do you get if any)
3 - At the time the system restarts what happens?

Just wondering if the system does something that I'd just go nuts for... 'save state' shutdown / restart. I'm pretty sure it doesn't but I have to ask...

Dave
Apple Fanboy: Anyone who started liking Apple before I did!
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post #36 of 553
6/24/03 at 10:10pm
I thought I heard something about not having to use the Go->Connect to Server to browse a network. Does the network icon in the Finder do that, or is it the same as Jag?
"Slow vehicle speeds with frequent stops would signal traffic congestion, for instance."

uh... it could also signal that my Mom is at the wheel...
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"Slow vehicle speeds with frequent stops would signal traffic congestion, for instance."

uh... it could also signal that my Mom is at the wheel...
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post #37 of 553
6/24/03 at 10:19pm
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Hmm conflicting reports of Cocoaness courtesy MacNN Forums: some guy got the question mark with the help button in the Finder.
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post #38 of 553
6/24/03 at 10:21pm
Some images:

http://www.downunderchase.com/temp/j...cture%2012.pdf
http://www.downunderchase.com/temp/jono/Picture%204.pdf
http://www.downunderchase.com/temp/jono/Picture%205.pdf
http://www.downunderchase.com/temp/jono/Picture%206.pdf
http://www.downunderchase.com/temp/jono/Picture%207.pdf
http://www.downunderchase.com/temp/jono/Picture%203.pdf
homepage.mac.com/jshier/Command_Tab.jpg
homepage.mac.com/jshier/Expose.jpg
homepage.mac.com/jshier/Finder1.jpg
homepage.mac.com/jshier/Finder2.jpg
homepage.mac.com/jshier/Switch.jpg


This thread at MacNN has a lot of good stuff
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post #39 of 553
6/24/03 at 10:43pm
how about ftp in the finder?
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post #40 of 553
6/24/03 at 11:23pm
In response to using the Finder the Classic way, this version of the Finder looks closer to the old way (when the button on the right is pushed) AND, get this, it even REMEMBERS window positions like OS 9 used to!! This new Finder feels and reacts like a souped up Classic version (only with Brushed Metal instead of Platinum). Good news for some of you! The spatial Finder is back if you want it to be!
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