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post #41 of 553
Can you drag-n-drop to a sub folder in the dock?
post #42 of 553
No on the dragging and dropping to a folder within a folder in the Dock.

Check this out though: if you Command-Tab, it no longer uses the Dock! All the icons for all the open apps pop up in the middle of the screen, can you can choose them by Command-tabbing or with your mouse! That's great!
post #43 of 553
Looks like the pinstripes are a lot subtler!
post #44 of 553
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Originally posted by Gambit
No on the dragging and dropping to a folder within a folder in the Dock.

Check this out though: if you Command-Tab, it no longer uses the Dock! All the icons for all the open apps pop up in the middle of the screen, can you can choose them by Command-tabbing or with your mouse! That's great!

wow I'd like to see this in action... its like peripheral vision or the volume keys no?
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post #45 of 553
So, is it a good idea to replace Jaguar with Panther as my full-time OS? Are there lots of application incompabilities? Like Word quitting etc?
post #46 of 553
I second richardb's post... Any noticable problems running common applications? Can you have both jaguar and Panther installed at the same time but on sepeaate disks incase you need to revert to your old OS or Apple makes it impossable to upgrade from the developer preview to the final release?
post #47 of 553
have you tried font book? does it support opentype fonts?? also, does it care where the fonts are???
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post #48 of 553
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Originally posted by Klown
I second richardb's post... Any noticable problems running common applications? Can you have both jaguar and Panther installed at the same time but on sepeaate disks incase you need to revert to your old OS or Apple makes it impossable to upgrade from the developer preview to the final release?

Here's what I did:

I used Carbon Copy Cloner to duplicate my exact setup onto another disk, and then I installed Panther over that (archive and install). So, on my main disk, I have my OS X setup.... on the other, I have what would be an archive and installed version of Panther on my existing set up. My directories in my home are all aliases to my real home, so there's no confusion on which home is up to date.

One thing: Panther kills iCal. I can't get that app to launch no matter what. There are TONS of cool things, though, and I keep discovering more! Cool app number one: the Activity Monitor. It tells you EVERYTHING, from running processes to network activity. It's the little things in this OS, the spit and polish, that make it a pleasure to use.
post #49 of 553
How about VPN?

I saw on macbidouille some screen captures. One includes AirPort and a VPN icon (that wasn't clicked). It could also under networking. There was also a Security panel in Preferences. Could we have screenshots of these panes? Is there some other way to configure IPsec or L2TP in Panther?

Thanks.
post #50 of 553
stupid question alert...

what is VPN? useful to?
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post #51 of 553
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stupid question alert...

what is VPN? useful to?

Virtual Private Network
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post #52 of 553
Well here are about 42 screenshots, showing off a bunch of stuff.

There are some that I didn't take because they are floating around, and there are some in there that are already floating around. Here ya go though...8.6MB sit file.

Grab it as soon as you can, because I will be taking in down in a few hours.


PS...screen shots were not taken by me. I am just hosting them. I do however have access to Panther and can answer questions if you have any.

[edit]Link removed...send me a private message if you wanna still see them.[/edit]
post #53 of 553
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Originally posted by foad
I do however have access to Panther and can answer questions if you have any.

1. Did you try Font Book?
2. Did you try to switch users with unsaved documents?
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post #54 of 553
So, do we have confirmation that mounted Samba shares can no longer fubar the whole OS?

Another thing i'd like to know, if you do a show info on an item being downloaded or transfered, does the file size update live? Or is it static as in Jaguar?

Thanks
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post #55 of 553
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Originally posted by costique
1. Did you try Font Book?
2. Did you try to switch users with unsaved documents?

1. I messed around with Font Book a little bit, not much. It seems like it shall replace Suitcase...at least for me.

2. I am not sure if I totally understand that one. I mean, you can switch users with anything open, the desktops and programs are unchanged. Whether a file is saved or not makes no difference. Does that answer your question?
post #56 of 553
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Originally posted by SYN
So, do we have confirmation that mounted Samba shares can no longer fubar the whole OS?

Another thing i'd like to know, if you do a show info on an item being downloaded or transfered, does the file size update live? Or is it static as in Jaguar?

Thanks

I can't check the Samba share until I get into work tomorrow.

The Get Info window is not dynamic. The file size is static as you are downloading.
post #57 of 553
Here are a couple things in regards to open/save dialog boxes.

First off, in List view, when you click on a folder, it doesn't highlight, but if you double click on it, it loads that folder. Also, the NEW FOLDER button isn't implemented yet. It is there but it just doesn't work yet. If this is just me, can someone else using panther, let me know. Thanks!
post #58 of 553
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Originally posted by foad
I mean, you can switch users with anything open, the desktops and programs are unchanged. Whether a file is saved or not makes no difference. Does that answer your question?

Yes, thank you. Read your private message, please. It's urgent!
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post #59 of 553
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Originally posted by costique
Yes, thank you. Read your private message, please. It's urgent!

THANKS!!

I am reuploading the "fixed" file in a new sit.
post #60 of 553
Quote:
Originally posted by richardb
So, is it a good idea to replace Jaguar with Panther as my full-time OS? Are there lots of application incompabilities? Like Word quitting etc?

Not really. Panther is a totally rough thing. There a lot of things that work and lots that don't. Nothing is guaranteed to work. I mean, some applications freak out when you do a 10.2.x update.

So be very careful if you are going to make that jump. Panther is really only meant for developers learning about the new OS and so that they can start developing software for it. It is by no means a consumer ready product...yet.
post #61 of 553
foad, if you have access to Panther, can you navigate to Finder.app and look inside (/System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/)? Is there a subfolder called 'Plugins'? Also, if you could execute this command: nm /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder | grep NSApp and tell if there is any output at all, we could say if Finder is Cocoa or not.
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post #62 of 553
Quote:
Originally posted by richardb
So, is it a good idea to replace Jaguar with Panther as my full-time OS?

I'll quote a favorite old answer to questions like this:

If you have to ask, then this is not for you.

Seriously, folks, how many times do we have to go over this? Releases like this are meant for developers who routinely back up their data. Releases like this are not meant to run full-time for mission-critical applications. You should only install these builds if you know what you're doing and by that I mean you know all the risks involved and you know how to salvage your computer if things go horribly wrong.

Will it break apps? Maybe.
Will it be unstable? Maybe.
Will it be feature incomplete? Maybe.
Will it cause random problems? Maybe.
Will it kernel panic regularly? Maybe.
Will it corrupt your hard drive? Maybe.
Will it accidentally erase all your data? Maybe. (cue story about iTunes installer)
Will it report data back to Apple without your knowledge? Maybe.
Will it expire and leave you unable to access and encrypted data through FileVault? Maybe.
post #63 of 553
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Originally posted by Gambit
Check this out though: if you Command-Tab, it no longer uses the Dock! All the icons for all the open apps pop up in the middle of the screen, can you can choose them by Command-tabbing or with your mouse! That's great!

Sweet! Looking forward to that feature.....
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post #64 of 553
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Originally posted by Klown
or Apple makes it impossable to upgrade from the developer preview to the final release?

To add on to my last post, here's a quote from the Read Before You Install.pdf:

You will not be able to upgrade from the "Panther" Developer Preview to the "Panther" GM release.

The same thing applied to the Jaguar developer builds. When people attempted to force an upgrade install over older Jaguar builds, they invariably encountered random problems later. If you're going to install, do it cleanly.
post #65 of 553
I would not recommend anybody use Panther as their primary OS because it's not meant to be a full, feature-complete, and fully tested release. It's a preview for developers. It's an OS to be used on your test machine, not for your main computer.


Anyway, a few questions:

How are the shut down and startup times compared to Jaguar?

Does the finder update it's file listing when it doesn't have the focus if you copy or delete a file through other means? (such as in the terminal.)
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post #66 of 553
Two Questions:

Can you close minimized windows from the dock by right-mouse clicking on them?

If a folder/disk icon in the dock, are they spring-loaded?

Thanks
post #67 of 553
does 10.3DP "call home"??

I heard some people saying that it contacts Apple and you get put on a poo-poo list
Can anyone verify this?
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post #68 of 553
Quote:
Originally posted by ZO
does 10.3DP "call home"??

I heard some people saying that it contacts Apple and you get put on a poo-poo list
Can anyone verify this?

I'm thinking this would not make a lot of sense, seeing they handed out MANY copies to all kinds of developers, and there's probably no way of knowing if an install belongs to one of these.
post #69 of 553
Except that *ONLY* developers are supposed to have a copy.

Trace back an IP, see if it phones home with info from My Card in the Address Book... all sorts of things to track on.
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post #70 of 553
It would be very stupid to install Panther Beta on a computer that is connected to the web.

Anyway,

WHAT DOES STARTUP LOOK LIKE?
post #71 of 553
Quote:
Originally posted by Apple Panther
It refuses to go under the dock. Carbon.

that's odd. i just tried that trick with safari and finder. the finder DOES stay under the dock and safari does not. in this case, cocoa apps will NOT stay under the dock and carbon aps will.
post #72 of 553
Carbon? Cocoa?

*sigh*

Guys. Seriously. At this point does it really MATTER if it's cocoa or carbon? I mean, if Carbon has gotten good enough that you can't tell the difference superficially and have to resort to odd trickery like the above to find obscure behavior differences, I think the debate it pointless.
post #73 of 553
Any one used xCode yet? if so is it as good as it is meant to be?


screenshots please. (PM me if you don't want to post them)

Thanks.
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post #74 of 553
Metal Finder? Are you kidding me? Metal SUCKS. Unsanity better save the day again...since it's Carbon can it be turned off?

Are window borders draggable? Sometimes I get screwed when let's say Uplink behaves badly by changing res and if Stickies is open I quit Uplink and the Stickies notes are all mostly off screen and I have to Select All and copy the info into new notes. So can we drag windows by borders?

Good to hear it's more OS 9 like. Still all around kickass, the competition chewing its cud is going to look pretty damn stupid when it competes with 10.5. Isn't that cool how 10.2 came out in '02, 10.3 comes out in '03, and 10.4 will come out in '04? It's subtle, not like Windoze 2005 XP ME NT 98 SE SP1 4.001001!
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post #75 of 553
Quote:
Originally posted by Placebo
It would be very stupid to install Panther Beta on a computer that is connected to the web.

Why would that be?
post #76 of 553
Quote:
Originally posted by Brad
Carbon? Cocoa?

*sigh*

Guys. Seriously. At this point does it really MATTER if it's cocoa or carbon?

Judging by Xcode, and all the nomenclature around it, Apple is doing its best to hide/erase any differences not only to the end user, but also to developers. Xcode seems to encourage mixed development under CoreFoundation.
post #77 of 553
Obligatory nag: is there Save and Shutdown aka Hibernate to save RAM contents to disk and shut down?
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post #78 of 553
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Originally posted by Aquatic
Are window borders draggable? Sometimes I get screwed when let's say Uplink behaves badly by changing res and if Stickies is open I quit Uplink and the Stickies notes are all mostly off screen and I have to Select All and copy the info into new notes. So can we drag windows by borders?

Not that I can see. OS X windows do not have borders. Only the corner is draggable.
post #79 of 553
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Originally posted by Aquatic
Obligatory nag: is there Save and Shutdown aka Hibernate to save RAM contents to disk and shut down?

Nope
post #80 of 553
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Originally posted by Placebo
WHAT DOES STARTUP LOOK LIKE?

Same as 10.2 but with less pronounced stripes.
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