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post #401 of 553
7/8/03 at 7:20am
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Originally posted by Code Master
In one of the screenshots at the beginning of this thread, it shows a selection for right to left typing in textedit.

Aquatic and Code master, thanks... didnt see that!

Finally maybe Arabis and Hebrew text input built in the system!!!

Any sign of changing the entire OS into Arabic or Hebrew????
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post #402 of 553
7/8/03 at 8:05am
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Originally posted by Reid
Hmm.. thanks. I just thought of a quartz effect for this. What if the folder flapped open when you double-clicked it, spitting its contents out genie-style into a new window? The folder in the background would remain visible, but with an open flap. Then, closing the window would suck the contents back into its host folder, and close the flap.

Ah, sounds more like a Longhorn animation, I guess...

Jaguar already does this. have you noticed how when you double click an icon, a window scales out of it?
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post #403 of 553
7/8/03 at 11:32am
Any sign of a decent tool to manage the Services menu item in Panther?
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post #404 of 553
7/8/03 at 11:48am
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Originally posted by Placebo
Jaguar already does this. have you noticed how when you double click an icon, a window scales out of it?

Sure, and Shift-double-click the folder to see it scale up in slow motion...

Leave it to Steve Jobs to put in a keyboard command to slow things down, rather than speed things up
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post #405 of 553
7/8/03 at 11:56am
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Hold down both shift keys, and it speeds up.
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post #406 of 553
7/8/03 at 5:42pm
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Originally posted by Kickaha
Hold down both shift keys, and it speeds up.

Is this a practical joke? Seriously, there is NO WAY I can reach both shift keys with one hand!

I can see it now, Kickaha L-his-OA at the though of all those AI readers trying to depress both shift keys at once.




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post #407 of 553
7/8/03 at 6:04pm
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Originally posted by johnq
Sure, and Shift-double-click the folder to see it scale up in slow motion...

Leave it to Steve Jobs to put in a keyboard command to slow things down, rather than speed things up

um... that doesn't work... you can't shift double click anything... holding shift when you close the window however... that is a different story...
the 2 shift keys don't work here tho, they function as if you are just holding down one...

someone is playing a game here...
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post #408 of 553
7/8/03 at 6:10pm
Shift - APPLE - Click on the folder does it for me.
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post #409 of 553
7/8/03 at 6:17pm
ah, that works... but the 2 shift key thing doesnt...
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post #410 of 553
7/8/03 at 6:20pm
Really? It works for me...

...keep trying and let us know how it turns out.
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post #411 of 553
7/8/03 at 6:49pm
groan...

Hold down the Shift key while double-clicking a folder and you will see that folder's window scale up from the icon in slow motion. I can't phase it any better than that.

Very simple. No tricks. No "Apple key". No "both Shift keys". I have no idea what these other people are doing...

Useless trick? Sure.
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post #412 of 553
7/8/03 at 7:00pm
..... you need the apple and shift keys depressed to see the window open in slow motion... the shift key by itself is used as a modifier key to allow you to select more then one file at a time...

the 2 shift key suggestion by kickaha is bogus (aparantly...)
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post #413 of 553
7/8/03 at 8:08pm
For those of you who can't reach both shifts, put a weight on one and press the other...
Command is needed to open a folder in a seperate window from column view too.
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post #414 of 553
7/8/03 at 9:11pm
While playing with panther I discovered a few things I haven't seen mentioned before so I thought I'd post some screenshots! :-)

When viewing an email you can turn off HTML image loading, but in Panther it gives you an option to load the images. Very handy as I keep images turned off to avoid spam bait, but it's inconvenient when a message you want to read comes in.

Mail Before Loading Graphics

Mail After Loading Graphics

Another thing I discovered is Panther may support ssh/sftp in the new Finder. Although I could make it work, check out the text below.


It says to login remotely use ssh OR browse for Panther (my machines name) in the Finder. It'd be great if it worked. But so far it hasn't, at least for me.

Next up is built in conflict detection when adding vCards in Address book.







And finally, just to keep things in perspective here's a screenshot from the JAGUAR WWDC beta from 2002. :-) I was a new Mac user then, it's funny reading the iChat I was having. lol. Notice how different iChat looked? Here's to hoping that we'll see some significant changes to Panther in the coming months.

Jaguar WWDC beta screenshot

Cheers,
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post #415 of 553
7/8/03 at 9:47pm
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Originally posted by Paul
..... you need the apple and shift keys depressed to see the window open in slow motion... the shift key by itself is used as a modifier key to allow you to select more then one file at a time...

the 2 shift key suggestion by kickaha is bogus (aparantly...)

Nooo... Allow me to fully beat this horse's corpse to dust...

Only Shift is required to be held down while double-clicking a folder to see it open in slowmotion. BUT: it must first already be selected. Sorry for the confusion. Only Shift. One Shift key. Either shift key. And not any other key.

That Shift is the key used to select multiple files is irrelevant.

Apple key has nothing to do with slow motion.

For real fun, select multiple folders on the desktop (using Shift if you like) and double-click any one of the selected folders while holding Shift down. You will then see multiple folder windows scale up from their icons.

Yes, the 2 shift thing is bogus.

I really can't make it any simpler folks.

Good luck with other people's misinformation

Glad this post is about something trivial and not say, safe ways to use rm....
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post #416 of 553
7/8/03 at 10:01pm
well i don't know what to tell you but it ONLY works for me if I hold the apple key down... must have a hack installed that interferes or something... :shrugs:
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post #417 of 553
7/8/03 at 10:39pm
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Yeah, Barto nailed it. Sorry folks, I just had to giggle at the thought of people trying to reach both shift keys with one hand.
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post #418 of 553
7/8/03 at 10:42pm
well if you have a laptop its not so hard to do... plus you don't need to use one hand because you can hit a key and click the mouse at the same time

still doesn't explain why I need the command key for it to work tho...
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post #419 of 553
7/8/03 at 10:49pm
We needed something to talk about until the next round of screenshots I guess....
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post #420 of 553
7/8/03 at 10:55pm
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Originally posted by Paul
well if you have a laptop its not so hard to do... plus you don't need to use one hand because you can hit a key and click the mouse at the same time

Oh shush. You're ruining my evil fun.

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still doesn't explain why I need the command key for it to work tho...

Because Steve Jobs personally hates you.
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post #421 of 553
7/8/03 at 10:56pm
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Originally posted by johnq
I really can't make it any simpler folks.

Jesus you people are retards sometimes.

In Mac OS X, there is a Finder preference "Always open folders in a new window". If that is selected, you don't need command. If it is not, then you do need command.

The command key is used to open a folder in a new window if the default behavior is to open in the same window.

If you're going to unzip and pull it out, make damn sure you know what you're talking about, okay?
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post #422 of 553
7/8/03 at 11:16pm
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Originally posted by johnsonwax
If you're going to unzip and pull it out, make damn sure you know what you're talking about, okay?

Oh relax....Listen to yourself. You certainly don't need to use me as the quote in your post. I didn't give a damn aside from saying Shift slows it down. Whatever the others were blathering about is your gripe.

Too bad you didn't just come in and solve the little mystery and leave it at that.

I love it, so typical of a web forum: some off the cuff remark leads to all out confusion and loathing. The less important the topic the worse it is... Perfect...

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post #423 of 553
7/8/03 at 11:23pm
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Originally posted by johnq
Oh relax....Listen to yourself. You certainly don't need to use me as the quote in your post. I didn't give a damn aside from saying Shift slows it down. Whatever the others were blathering about is your gripe.

Too bad you didn't just come in and solve the little mystery and leave it at that.

And too bad you decided to advertise the definitive answer to the problem, which wasn't the definitive answer. Rather than trying to solve the little mystery, you decided to make the people who didn't understand why they needed command feel like idiots. Everybody already seemed clear that shift slowed it down.

I agree, let's continue.

Anyone look into Finder scriptability yet or did I miss it?
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post #424 of 553
7/8/03 at 11:47pm
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Originally posted by johnsonwax
The command key is used to open a folder in a new window if the default behavior is to open in the same window.

well I was doing this from the desktop... so you were half right...
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post #425 of 553
7/8/03 at 11:55pm
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Originally posted by johnsonwax
And too bad you decided to advertise the definitive answer to the problem, which wasn't the definitive answer. Rather than trying to solve the little mystery, you decided to make the people who didn't understand why they needed command feel like idiots. Everybody already seemed clear that shift slowed it down.

I never said anyone was an idiot. I was groaning that someone was confusing the issue by joking about double Shift keys whilst the Apple key problem had come up.

"Always open folders in a new window" is such a colossally moot point, though. Of course it needs to be on, otherwise there is no new window to scale, is there.

Unfortunately I assumed people were trying it on the Desktop, which always makes a new window. Had I thought people were using a Finder window it might have occured to me that new windows were not spawning (and hence no animation) but I didn't catch any hints of that in their posts (I was giving people enough credit that they knew they needed to have "Always open folders in a new window" turned on in order to see, umm , new windows for folders opening...in slowmotion or otherwise.)

Regardless, Command/Apple isn't needed to make it scale slowly, it's needed to make it open in a new window at all.

No matter what, Shift is the only key needed to make it scale slower...

Definitive? I don't presume. Just my observation.
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post #426 of 553
7/9/03 at 12:00am
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Originally posted by johnq
Regardless, Command/Apple isn't needed to make it scale slowly, it's needed to make it open in a new window - at all.

No matter what, Shift is the only key needed to make it scale slower...

Definitive? I don't presume. Just my observation.

well it doesn't work on my machine without command... can we drop it now?...
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post #427 of 553
7/9/03 at 12:03am
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Originally posted by Paul
well it doesn't work on my machine without command... can we drop it now?...

Well, kudos for not bringing "Jesus" or "retards" into it at least

Of course there are any number of reasons why it might differ, shareware, OS version, slow double-click speed settings, corrupt prefs, who knows. Nothing to lose sleep over.

Only subtlety I didn't mention enough is, on the Desktop, the icon needs to be selected first. If you try it without first selecting the folder, you will only select then deselect the folder when double-clicking. In Finder windows (assuming, of course, that "Always open folders in new windows" is on), it need not be selected first.

This should be in a GUI nitpickers thread, I agree.
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post #428 of 553
7/9/03 at 10:22am
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Yes, it should... shall we get back to the requests now?
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post #429 of 553
7/9/03 at 11:43am
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Originally posted by johnq
on the Desktop, the icon needs to be selected first. If you try it without first selecting the folder, you will only select then deselect the folder when double-clicking.



ummm.... yeah....

I got it to work now...

sorry
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post #430 of 553
7/9/03 at 12:36pm
Sooo....um....does Panther use Shift to slow the folder and Dock animations?

<ducks>



No, really, we can talk about anything else...

Any new background images with Panther dev? Or will they roll them out with the retail version?

I want my black faux fur desktop...
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post #431 of 553
7/9/03 at 12:57pm
I've got one.

How is Full Keyboard Access in Panther? I've heard reports elsewhere that's been enhanced...

From the screenshot, it seems like it's reduced to a single checkbox...? Or does that checkbox toggle on and off a group of customizable shortcuts now?
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post #432 of 553
7/9/03 at 2:04pm
Symbolic Links vs. Aliases

Apple hasn't eliminated aliases in favor of symbolic links in Panther by any chance? I don't really see why they don't, as the current mix can be a bit confusing, but perhaps someone can enlighten me?
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post #433 of 553
7/9/03 at 11:58pm
Is Panther 64-bit iteslf or is it simply equipped to handle 64-bit packages for the processor?
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post #434 of 553
7/10/03 at 1:00am
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Originally posted by MacCommets
Is Panther 64-bit iteslf

Think of it this way:

If Panther was 64-bit itself, it would not run on our current processors.
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post #435 of 553
7/10/03 at 1:50am
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Originally posted by jginsbu
Symbolic Links vs. Aliases

Apple hasn't eliminated aliases in favor of symbolic links in Panther by any chance? I don't really see why they don't, as the current mix can be a bit confusing, but perhaps someone can enlighten me?

Um, backwards compatibility? What's wrong with the current mix?
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post #436 of 553
7/10/03 at 3:14am
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Originally posted by Chucker
What's wrong with the current mix?

They work differently, don't they? They seem to serve the same purpose, don't they? Though keeping them both as separate notions appears to be the only way to accomodate both Mac OS aliases and symbolic links from UNIX.
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post #437 of 553
7/10/03 at 5:40am
I'd like it if things like the webserver could follow aliases. That is their biggest limitation for my uses.
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post #438 of 553
7/10/03 at 7:13am
I'm happy... and so will my middle eastern studies friends...

Text Edit...

Just activate the Arabic, Hebrew, Farsi (Persian) keyboards, select the right font... and off you go typing away.

Now then... would be useful to have a keyboard layout of the keys!!!

As you can see, multiple laguages on one document

http://homepage.mac.com/zo66/.Pictures/arabic.jpg

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post #439 of 553
7/10/03 at 7:20am
check out the keycaps palette in the keyboard layout menu... not a physical layout on the keyboard... but you see what keys are where and it can be toggled to float over all other windows so you can see it at all times... in a way it is better then having the correct keys in the correct places...

could you save that document as a .doc and would it open correctly in word?
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post #440 of 553
7/10/03 at 7:50am
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Originally posted by ZO
I'm happy... and so will my middle eastern studies friends...

Text Edit...

Just activate the Arabic, Hebrew, Farsi (Persian) keyboards, select the right font... and off you go typing away.

Now then... would be useful to have a keyboard layout of the keys!!!

Cool, ZO, but this already works in Jaguar. What I'd like to see is if right-to-left works right:

Switch to Hebrew or Arabic, and to RTL. Type a few words, and then type a number (say, 123), then some more words. The number should be correctly ordered (left-to-right) even in the midst of RTL text.

If that works, take it to the next level. Type some character (no spaces), then a hyphen("-"), then a number. Try that in Hebrew. It took Microsoft years until they got that one right.

Thanks.
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