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post #441 of 553
7/10/03 at 7:52am
Guys, c'mon, thumbnail.

And if someone does that, don't quote the thing.
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post #442 of 553
7/10/03 at 8:33am
Think of it this way brad: RECOMPILE!

There's nothing saying that they won't have a seperate version for the G5.
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post #443 of 553
7/10/03 at 8:49am
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Originally posted by 123
Unfortunately not.

Press Shift-Command-n, an untitled folder appears that is not editable, then you have to wait a moment before you can hit the return key to make it editable. If you press return too early, you can edit the name for a fraction of a second before the field turns static again. I really don't like it and never did in Jaguar either.

Press the ENTER key not return on any hilited file and you will instantly be able to change the name. It's not a bug once you use the enter key it's a feature.
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post #444 of 553
7/10/03 at 9:01am
I posted this in the Software forum regarding TextEdit's Word compatibility. It seems more appropriate for it to be in this thread. Whatever. Here it is.

Here are two examples of TextEdit and Word.
First, a Word document containing charts, page numbers, etc.
Word is on the left, TextEdit is on the right.



The second is a standard document.



Sorry for the poor quality but I didn't want to screw up thread with giant pics. Full size images be here:

http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/inactio...dTextEdit1.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/inactio...dTextEdit2.jpg

Oh yeah, if you edit the document with charts and hyperlinks in TextEdit, when you open it in Word you lose all the embedded information and it'll look the same as the document when opened in TextEdit. It works great for standard Word documents though.
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post #445 of 553
7/10/03 at 9:18am
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Originally posted by MacCommets
There's nothing saying that they won't have a seperate version for the G5.

And I never said otherwise. You can say the same thing about Microsoft Office or Final Cut Pro or any other app. It doesn't mean squat until we actually see it.

The question was: is Panther 64-bit? The answer is no. The developer preview is not 64-bit.
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post #446 of 553
7/10/03 at 11:20am
Anyone know about Panther's support for MS mice? what about the MS Bluetooth mouse buttons?

Thanks.
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post #447 of 553
7/10/03 at 8:12pm
I triple-dog-dare someone to post another cool Panther screenshot...
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post #448 of 553
7/10/03 at 10:15pm
could someone post some text in Farsi, please?

na
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post #449 of 553
7/10/03 at 11:24pm
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Originally posted by Chopper3
Anyone know about Panther's support for MS mice? what about the MS Bluetooth mouse buttons?

Thanks.

I used the MS Optical Wheel mouse (five button wired) without a hitch. Panther in the mouse pane has a scroll speed slider, which is really nice and works with all mice, I would assume. I easily assigned Exposé functions to my extra buttons, and USB OverDrive works, too, but it will intercept the call to Exposé... even if there is nothing assigned to the button.

I would assume that once Panther goes GM, they will update and allow Exposé functions, too.

I don't have a bluetooth mouse.
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post #450 of 553
7/10/03 at 11:53pm
One thing about Exposé that I love that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere is a subtle and I believe new form of toggle button.

I think most people don't realize that if you press and hold F9, F10, F11 the Exposé actions assigned to those keys will activate on keydown, but then release on keyup.

This is in addition to the typical keyboard toggle style of full keydown & keyup to activate and a second keydown & keyup to deactivate.

It's subtle but cool. Must be some timer involved. And maybe some users might have problems if they press too slowly. So if your Exposé either won't "take" or get's stuck try pressing and holding quicker or slower. There are 2 distinct activation methods for toggles now. I would call one a traditional toggle and the newer one a mulling toggle or glance toggle.

This is really great for mulling over windows or the desktop momentarily.
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post #451 of 553
7/11/03 at 1:53am
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Originally posted by nagha
could someone post some text in Farsi, please?

na

u can do Farsi text input in Jaguar too, but not Right to Left. The file is saved as RTF and opens fine in Word.

Open a text document, choose Farsi keyboard, and away you go...
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post #452 of 553
7/11/03 at 6:15am
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Originally posted by ZO
u can do Farsi text input in Jaguar too, but not Right to Left. The file is saved as RTF and opens fine in Word.

Open a text document, choose Farsi keyboard, and away you go...

That's useless to me. Furthermore, the spacing is incorrect. I had used OS 7/8/9 to produce farsi textbooks. Unless Panther reintroduces this capability, I'm going to need to switch to Windows for part of my work.

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post #453 of 553
7/11/03 at 7:34am
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Originally posted by nagha
That's useless to me. Furthermore, the spacing is incorrect. I had used OS 7/8/9 to produce farsi textbooks. Unless Panther reintroduces this capability, I'm going to need to switch to Windows for part of my work.

na

Have you tried Mellel?

Go to versiontracker.com and download it. Just introduced Farsi, Arabic, etc etc. The only REAL WORD PROCESSOR that can.

Great app to boot too
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post #454 of 553
7/11/03 at 8:16am
And btw, sorry to get off Panther topic, Nisus Writer 1.0 has been released with Arabic etc support... even better than Mellel ;-)

back to Panther
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post #455 of 553
7/11/03 at 11:30am
I'm not sure if this is a new feature in Panther or if it was in Jaguar. If it was in Jag then disregard. I digress, you can put your printers icon in the dock so you can just drag files on to it for easy printing.

http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/inactio...rintThingy.jpg
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post #456 of 553
7/11/03 at 1:59pm
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Originally posted by InactionMan
...you can put your printers icon in the dock so you can just drag files on to it for easy printing.

Ooo, that's new. The return of desktop printers, but for the Dock. Nice.

Seems like we're down to the dregs here, eh? Just Have to wait for the next developer seed.

Actually, I don't believe my last question was answered, so I'll post it again:

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How is Full Keyboard Access in Panther? I've heard reports elsewhere that's been enhanced...

From Brad's screenshot, it looks like it's reduced to a single checkbox...? Does that checkbox toggle on and off a group of customizable shortcuts now?
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post #457 of 553
7/11/03 at 5:25pm
Hi,

I am playing with my copy of Panther and i have discovered this :

- plug a camera in your USB port.
- open Image Capture
- File / Sharing menu
- Check 'Enable Web-Sharing'
- Check 'Share my device'

Now if you have a second mac you can open Image Capture and choose File Browse. (but i don't have a second mac (yet)) and access your camera from the network.

You can also open safari, look in your RendezVous bookmarks
Click on Digital cameras on xxxx's computer
and you get a page where you can download the pic appearantly you can even take photos remotely!!!!


Another great example of Apple's great integration :
image Capture, Rendez vous, Apache, Safari....
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post #458 of 553
7/11/03 at 5:42pm
Nice!

Obscure, but nice!
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post #459 of 553
7/11/03 at 6:14pm
I have a question about the fax capabilities built into Panther:

Can the Panther Server version act as a faxing server that ties in with the mail server to form a unified messaging solution that ties into Mail on the client side?
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post #460 of 553
7/11/03 at 6:17pm
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Originally posted by RolandG
I have a question about the fax capabilities built into Panther:

Can the Panther Server version act as a faxing server that ties in with the mail server to form a unified messaging solution that ties into Mail on the client side?

Uh.... Not sure.... But...

You can Share your fax "printer" on the network and when you receive a Fax you can forward it to a specific mail address.

Hope that helps....
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post #461 of 553
7/11/03 at 8:01pm
InactionMan has won the race to post the next cool Panther screenshot. How ironic.

Thanks, btw. That is indeed a cool feature.
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post #462 of 553
7/11/03 at 9:16pm
Hey can you set Exposé to work with F13, F14 and F15 keys and they would be more handy on my pro keyboard next to the volume keys....i don't have a Apple display so they don't work for my display...can it be set that way?

Frank_t
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post #463 of 553
7/12/03 at 1:17am
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Originally posted by frank_t
Hey can you set Exposé to work with F13, F14 and F15 keys and they would be more handy on my pro keyboard next to the volume keys....i don't have a Apple display so they don't work for my display...can it be set that way?

Frank_t

F13 -yes
F14, F15 - no
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post #464 of 553
7/12/03 at 6:58am
Software Update in Panther! Hooray! New Build!

Info:
System VersiontMac OS X 10.3 (7A202)
Kernel VersiontDarwin 7.0.0b1
Boot VolumetMacintosh HD

Pics:

http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/inactionman/SU1.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/inactionman/SU2.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/inactionman/SU3.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/inactionman/SU4.jpg
http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/inactionman/SU5.jpg

Enjoy!

Very Little bandwidth from Angelfire, so someone else might want to host these to if my bandwidth runs out.
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post #465 of 553
7/12/03 at 9:03am
Mirror: http://www.chucker.rasdi.net/applein...e_InactionMan/
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post #466 of 553
7/12/03 at 9:58am
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Originally posted by InactionMan
I'm not sure if this is a new feature in Panther or if it was in Jaguar. If it was in Jag then disregard. I digress, you can put your printers icon in the dock so you can just drag files on to it for easy printing.

http://www.angelfire.com/ut2/inactio...rintThingy.jpg

While it is cool that it seems that they now have printer specific icons, this isn't entirely new. In Jaguar, if you put Print Center into the dock, you can drag files to it to print.
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post #467 of 553
7/12/03 at 10:14am
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Originally posted by frank_t
Hey can you set Exposé to work with F13, F14 and F15 keys and they would be more handy on my pro keyboard next to the volume keys....i don't have a Apple display so they don't work for my display...can it be set that way?

Frank_t

Yes, the Exposé system prefs panel lets you choose the shortcuts. F9, F10 and F11 are just the defaults.
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post #468 of 553
7/12/03 at 8:40pm
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Originally posted by InactionMan
Software Update in Panther! Hooray! New Build!

I wonder what Apple will think when they see the number of users who download it!
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post #469 of 553
7/12/03 at 11:00pm
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Originally posted by lundy
F13 -yes
F14, F15 - no

Dang....just my luck....BuonRotto it doesn't let the user use the 3 F13 F14 and F15 keys....would be jjjuusssssttt right if you ask me on the keyboard for this feature....

Frank_t
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post #470 of 553
7/13/03 at 3:39am
Quote:
Originally posted by InactionMan
Software Update in Panther! Hooray! New Build!

anyone know if there is a place to download the update from the web? I'd rather not use SU if i could avoid it...
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post #471 of 553
7/13/03 at 4:04am
very w00t feature in the new Safari: It tells me that Safari has been updated, do you want to move all your passwords over?

Still build v85 for some reason...

Barto
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post #472 of 553
7/13/03 at 4:23am
It is not a safari feature it is a new keychain feature in Panther.

P.
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post #473 of 553
7/13/03 at 5:06am
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Are you able to send/receive faxes if your phoneline is connected to an airport [extreme] basestation ???


or does it have to be direct to your computer?
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post #474 of 553
7/13/03 at 5:24am
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Originally posted by Barto
I wonder what Apple will think when they see the number of users who download it!

I wonder how many people are so silly to download updates for illegally obtained developer previews
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post #475 of 553
7/13/03 at 6:04am
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Originally posted by Chucker
illegally obtained

You make too many assumptions

But even warez copies of Panther using software update... so what? It's not like Apple can match IP addresses with developers and non-developers.

They will however get a good idea of the (non-paranoid) Panther userbase.

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post #476 of 553
7/13/03 at 6:28am
I realized that perhaps it wasn't the best idea to use SU about 5 seconds after I hit Update. But I doubt Apple is going to be out for the blood of the people that perhaps shouldn't be using Panther right now. If anything, they'll be annoyed that shady Panther user are a bit too paranoid to report Bugs to Apple. Besides, the more people yapping about how great Panther is means less people whining about having another paid upgrade. Oh yeah, new upgrade brings the requisite trademark snappiness the we all know and love.
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post #477 of 553
7/13/03 at 7:07am
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Originally posted by Barto
You make too many assumptions

But even warez copies of Panther using software update... so what? It's not like Apple can match IP addresses with developers and non-developers.

They will however get a good idea of the (non-paranoid) Panther userbase.

Barto

If Panther is equipped with a GUID, they'll be able to find out if multiple installations have the same one. How? Simple. Combine the GUID with a random ID. When installing Panther, generate this random ID. Make the ID so long that it's (near) impossible that the same ID is generated twice. Now, if two installations with the same GUID, but with different IDs access the internet at the same time, they can be quite sure that that version has been leaked.
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post #478 of 553
7/13/03 at 7:11am
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Originally posted by Chucker
they can be quite sure that that version has been leaked.

unless of course a developer installs it on more then one machine for testing purposes...

there will be piracy... but its not hurting apple, so what do they care?
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post #479 of 553
7/13/03 at 7:35am
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Originally posted by Paul
there will be piracy... but its not hurting apple, so what do they care?

They closed the Safari seeding because of it, and if too many people are pirating Mac OS X developer seeds they might shut that down too, and that would be very a sad day.
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post #480 of 553
7/13/03 at 7:42am
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Originally posted by JLL
They closed the Safari seeding because of it, and if too many people are pirating Mac OS X developer seeds they might shut that down too, and that would be very a sad day.

they can't do that tho because they need developers to support the OS.... other apps they can keep more control... but the OS NEEDS to get out to the developers...
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