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post #481 of 553
Yes. they keyword in your last sentence is "Developers" and its up to apple to decide who those people are. not some "warez" boy.
post #482 of 553
well granted... but there will always be people who are willing to spend whatever it is you need to spend to get into the WWDC and then make available the OS seed they get at the event...
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post #483 of 553
Ah, whatever. I updated via SU. I was at my fiancee's parent's house at the time, so I think I'm safe... I wish I hadn't reformatted to reinstall Panther though. I would have liked to see if the update fixed the problem with expose that I was having when I just did an upgrade install. It wouldn't shrink the windows but you could mouse over where the shrunken windows were supposed to be and see the name of that window. It wasn't too fun but it worked to switch. :/ After a reformat and reinstall it works fine now.
post #484 of 553
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. I was at my fiancee's parent's house at the time, so I think I'm safe...

Yah, who cares if the cops come busting down HER door...
post #485 of 553
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Originally posted by keyboardf12
Yah, who cares if the cops come busting down HER door...

Oh, she lives with me. We were just visiting. Chances are, they wouldn't have a clue what the cops were talking about... I'm their computer fix-it guy. (BTW, I HATE windows with a passion...)
post #486 of 553
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Originally posted by Paul
well granted... but there will always be people who are willing to spend whatever it is you need to spend to get into the WWDC and then make available the OS seed they get at the event...

If you front the $3500 for a Premiere account, you get at least $7000 in hardware discounts; more if you arrange your orders to include as much as possible in each order (an iPod and a monitor all go on the same single discount as the computer, and there are 10 discounts in a Premiere account). Plus WWDC is free. The discounts are transferable to any other ADC member (even the free accounts) who is in your project group.

Theoretically speaking of course, you could buy a Premier account for $3500, you and your 9 colleagues could order ten $10000 systems, save $2000 on each one, and charge the colleagues back $500 on each one. They still save $1500, you get your $2000 off your system, your $3500 is paid for by the $4500 you get back from the colleagues, you go to WWDC and get the iSight and Panther for free, you get all other OS upgrades for free, and you have $1000 left over to help pay for the airfare and hotel to San Fran.
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post #487 of 553
I see you have looked into this
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post #488 of 553
Anyone know if Apple is planning on adding Ext2 or Ext3 support to OSX? I have a few Ext2 drives with things on them that I would throw into a firewire enclosure if I could mount them on OSX. I know there are 3rd party solutions, but I would rather that Apple integrate it into the OS... less chance of partition f0x0ring bugs.
post #489 of 553
Almost makes me want to shell out $3500 so I can go to next year's show and get major boocoo discountage on a couple Mac systems. But NAH. I'll just buy my G5 with a friendly neighborhood discount from a friend who has one to spare.

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post #490 of 553
Sigh. OK, maybe third time's the charm. I don't suppose someone with Panther could check out the Full Keyboard Access situation? Is it a set of commands in Sys. Pref > Keyboard & Mouse >Keyboard Shortcuts? Better than Jaguar? Up to par with Windows...?
post #491 of 553
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Originally posted by Hobbes
Sigh. OK, maybe third time's the charm. I don't suppose someone with Panther could check out the Full Keyboard Access situation? Is it a set of commands in Sys. Pref > Keyboard & Mouse >Keyboard Shortcuts? Better than Jaguar? Up to par with Windows...?

What are you looking for? You can navigate the menus, the toolbar, change apps, focus on the dock, activate it via a keystroke, etc. I can't think of what you can't do with them. I'll check jags' settings to see how they compare. Does that help?
post #492 of 553
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Originally posted by Hobbes
Sigh. OK, maybe third time's the charm. I don't suppose someone with Panther could check out the Full Keyboard Access situation?

Sigh. Third time's the charm? See pages three and eight for my detailed list of screenshots.

Did you miss these?

System Preferences - keyboard shortcuts Some serious customization.
System Preferences - keyboard shortcuts continued.
System Preferences - keyboard shortcuts add shortcut popup menu in that sheet.

bauman posted a screenshot of the same panel on page eight too.
post #493 of 553
I didn't miss those, Brad; I guess I wasn't being clear.

I'm looking for a description of the behavior, not a screenshot.

I'm curious about Full Keyboard Access, too, not Keyboard Shortcuts. (I'm guessing that FKA has been folded into the Keyboard Shortcuts section.)

I'd like to know if know if navigating GUI elements by keyboard has been improved in Panther -- i.e, something equivalent to the Windows standard of being able to navigate any menu or GUI element onscreen solely by the keyboard. Jaguar came closer when it introduced FKA, but, IMO, is still behind (for example, using the arrow keys to drip slowly down a menu doesn't cut it).
post #494 of 553
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Originally posted by torifile
What are you looking for? You can navigate the menus, the toolbar, change apps, focus on the dock, activate it via a keystroke, etc. I can't think of what you can't do with them. I'll check jags' settings to see how they compare. Does that help?

I'm curious if a menu in the menubar -- even one that doesn't have a keyboard shortcut -- it can be navigated by the keyboard, e.g. by hitting the first letter of the menu command once you've clicked or activated the menubar. Or if Apple has come up with something better.

In a similar vein, I've heard that pop-up menus are much improved, and hitting, say, Z, will bring you straight to Zimbabwe instead having to scroll all the down. That would be really nice.

This is not *so* much a big issue for me (though I would use FKA on occasion, if implemented well), but I've heard a number of switchers and would-be switchers complain about this, and I'd like to see how Apple is addressing it.

Thanks!
post #495 of 553
I really hope Apple doesn't start going into that pseudo-keyboard-GUI mess any further than they did in Jaguar.

GUIs are for mice.
post #496 of 553
Quote:
Originally posted by Hobbes
I'm curious if a menu in the menubar -- even one that doesn't have a keyboard shortcut -- it can be navigated by the keyboard, e.g. by hitting the first letter of the menu command once you've clicked or activated the menubar. Or if Apple has come up with something better.

In a similar vein, I've heard that pop-up menus are much improved, and hitting, say, Z, will bring you straight to Zimbabwe instead having to scroll all the down. That would be really nice.

This is not *so* much a big issue for me (though I would use FKA on occasion, if implemented well), but I've heard a number of switchers and would-be switchers complain about this, and I'd like to see how Apple is addressing it.

Thanks!

Yes, you can. You activate the menubar by pressing ^F2 and then you can navigate either by the arrows or by starting to type what you want to get to.



In this image, you can get to energy saver by pressing "e" and to expose by pressing "ex" quickly. The delay is pretty short, so you need to press them in quick succession to be able to get there. Does that help?
post #497 of 553
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Originally posted by torifile
Yes, you can. You activate the menubar by pressing ^F2 and then you can navigate either by the arrows or by starting to type what you want to get to.

In this image, you can get to energy saver by pressing "e" and to expose by pressing "ex" quickly. The delay is pretty short, so you need to press them in quick succession to be able to get there. Does that help?

Ah. At long last.

Thanks. Sounds cool.
post #498 of 553
I didn't see this question: in Jaguar, if you select multiple files of the same type and try to use the contextual menu to Open With, the list is empty. Does Panther fix this?
post #499 of 553
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Originally posted by Fluffy
I didn't see this question: in Jaguar, if you select multiple files of the same type and try to use the contextual menu to Open With, the list is empty. Does Panther fix this?

Yes, it does. Although I didn't know that was a problem in Jaguar.\

You can also access the Open With command so long as a single app can handle the different file types
post #500 of 553
I found a bug! Yay!

http://homepage.mac.com/barto_act/ne...t/whitebar.jpg

It's a good bug, don't you think?
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post #501 of 553
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Originally posted by Barto
I found a bug! Yay!
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It's a good bug, don't you think?

erm, I hate to tell you, but I don't see it. Unless, of course, you're getting that beach ball for hours, everything looks normal to me.

Oh, are you talking about the highlight around the cancel button? Those highlights come when you have full keyboard access turned on... they're in Jag, too. I never did like the way they looked, and how they are usually selecting something without you issuing a full keyboard command. I suppose you could call that a bug... is that what you are talking about?
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post #502 of 553
Check the inactive title bar. Looks much better than the normal one, don't you think?
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post #503 of 553
I've seen a strange bug. When using expose, I had a license agreement popup because I was mounting omnigraffle's disk image. It was full size and seemed to just get in the way.



Oh, and cmd+d doesn't seem to go to the desktop in save dialog boxes.
post #504 of 553
That happens to everyone, torifile. Whenever a new window is spawned (not by you clicking on something) in Panther while exposé is running, the new window is full-size. You have to stop exposé for everything to go back to normal.
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post #505 of 553
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Originally posted by Barto
That happens to everyone, torifile. Whenever a new window is spawned (not by you clicking on something) in Panther while exposé is running, the new window is full-size. You have to stop exposé for everything to go back to normal.

The question is: is it a bug or a feature? Looks to me like it's a bug because it doesn't respond the way you'd expect (clicking on it should exit you out of expose but it doesn't). At least that's how I think of it.

edit: nevermind. It does seem to exit you out of expose. When I did it by accident the first time it didn't. Something isn't quite right with it nonetheless.
post #506 of 553
Just a bug.

But I wouldn't necessarily report it unless you have a legal copy

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post #507 of 553
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Originally posted by johnq
Just a bug.

But I wouldn't necessarily report it unless you have a legal copy


Of course my copy is lega....err...nevermind.....
post #508 of 553
Does the mute button work with iSub in 10.3?
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post #509 of 553
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Originally posted by nu64man
Two Questions:

Can you close minimized windows from the dock by right-mouse clicking on them?

If a folder/disk icon in the dock, are they spring-loaded?

Thanks

1) you can close downsized windows by right-clickin on the them now

2)no spring loaded Dock yet, rumored to come, only rumored.
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post #510 of 553
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Originally posted by Barto
I found a bug! Yay!

http://homepage.mac.com/barto_act/ne...t/whitebar.jpg

It's a good bug, don't you think?

Whoa, that button has a halo. You can tab through buttons in Panther, now?
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post #511 of 553
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Originally posted by Dog Almighty
Whoa, that button has a halo. You can tab through buttons in Panther, now?

You also could with Jaguar. It's a matter of preferences.
post #512 of 553
This is a develpment related question from another student at my university. Could someone with Panther please find out about or comment on the support or lack thereof for the dl* (eg dlopen) family of routines for dynamically loading code.

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post #513 of 553
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Originally posted by WJMoore
This is a develpment related question from another student at my university. Could someone with Panther please find out about or comment on the support or lack thereof for the dl* (eg dlopen) family of routines for dynamically loading code.

Thanks,
Wesley

Whoa. A question that isn't related to the GUI??? WTF is wrong with you?? I'd check, but I don't know how.
post #514 of 553
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Originally posted by Chucker
You also could with Jaguar. It's a matter of preferences.

Really? I'm still on 10.1.5, that's why I hadn't noticed.
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post #515 of 553
I am joining this discussion really late but very early on someone wanted to know if a Finder title bar can be dragged beneath/behind the dock. I can drag it there.

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post #516 of 553
Question on "Fast User Switching".

Is it so that when 'user A' has 'application X' running, that this application will load into memory again after user B logs in and starts this 'application X'? Thus having an application multiple times in memory, depending on the number of users using this 'application X'? Or is the running application being "split" among users?

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post #517 of 553
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Originally posted by reactor
Question on "Fast User Switching".

Is it so that when 'user A' has 'application X' running, that this application will load into memory again after user B logs in and starts this 'application X'? Thus having an application multiple times in memory, depending on the number of users using this 'application X'? Or is the running application being "split" among users?

Thanks

Good question. Each app certainly thinks it isn't sharing part of the app's code pages in memory, but with the new scheme for VM introduced with Jaguar, the OS can try and remember what pages a particular user loads on login. If the OS knows that the code pages are reentrant, it could just point each process to the same real page, and the virtual addresses would be different for each process. Also the pages wouldn't need to be paged out, just marked available. Whether it is possible for the OS to obtain that information about the pages, I don't know.
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post #518 of 553
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Originally posted by torifile
Whoa. A question that isn't related to the GUI??? WTF is wrong with you?? I'd check, but I don't know how.

I'm not entirely sure how to check but if you could send or post the output from these two commands it might help.
Code:

man dlfcn
locate dlfcn

Thanks.

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post #519 of 553
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Originally posted by WJMoore
I'm not entirely sure how to check but if you could send or post the output from these two commands it might help.
Code:

man dlfcn
locate dlfcn

Thanks.

WM

Code:


[minnie:~] torifile% locate dlfcn
locate: no database file /var/db/locate.database.
[minnie:~] torifile% man dlfcn
No manual entry for dlfcn
[minnie:~] torifile%



HTH.
post #520 of 553
What does Fast User Switching do with dual monitors? I assume both would change since it is really the spanning of one desktop, but I've never seen this.

BTW can someone do a screen grab of that?
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