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post #1 of 34
6/27/03 at 12:16pm
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So in light of the RIAA's new method of "sue the crap out of everyone", are there any p2p protocols/programs out there that are harder to track that today's current model?

some way to encrypt the data from both machines, or a way to keep the actual machine/location anonymous while still being able to share files?

i don't actually use them much, but it just drives me nuts to see the RIAA stomping all over the place like a buch of buffoons and screwing over their userbase to such an extent.

i know i'd feel a hell of a lot better if the files that i had shared on my machine weren't easy to intercept or track back to their source in today's lawsuit happy world.

anyone?
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post #2 of 34
6/27/03 at 2:52pm
Well, and I've never done this, dcc through irc (iChat, etc) is a great way to pirate music and warez, apparently.

but I don't take thr RIAA seriously anymore.
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post #3 of 34
6/27/03 at 10:02pm
Freenet.
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post #4 of 34
6/27/03 at 10:43pm
Could SSL Enabler help? I use SSL Enabler to connect securely to an IRC server... I never really bothered to look into the specifics, I just remember the readme said it could help make anything secure.
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post #5 of 34
6/28/03 at 8:54am
I find Direct Connect pretty secure.... I'd say to give it a try..

Download it here.

(I think that's the right URL.)

EDIT:: I fixed the URL. It's a Stuffit compressed DMG disk image.

Good luck! Feel free to contact me if you need help starting it up..
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post #6 of 34
6/28/03 at 10:43am
I just searched "Kazaa for OS X" in Software on Kazaa (on a PC), and guess what comes up: "Kazaa for Mac OS X", and as Developer, it lists Apple! Can someone try it? (it's kind of a paradox)
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post #7 of 34
6/28/03 at 10:51am
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I just searched "Kazaa for OS X" in Software on Kazaa (on a PC), and guess what comes up: "Kazaa for Mac OS X", and as Developer, it lists Apple! Can someone try it? (it's kind of a paradox)

That can't be true... link us to that find...
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post #8 of 34
6/28/03 at 10:53am
How do I link you to a KazAa file?
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post #9 of 34
6/29/03 at 8:36am
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i'll look into the ssh angle. there has to be something where you can send/recieve files anonymously. i just find that with every passing day i hate the RIAA more. i hadn't known it was possible.
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post #10 of 34
6/29/03 at 8:55am
i dont think you can secure p2p networks unless the protocols have security measures themselves. that ssl thing seems like a ruse. if the protocol is expecting clear data, and receives encrypted data, most servers would just drop you. you would have to have something setup on both sides (i think). and unfortunately, p2p networks that make it easier to find what you want, make it easier for the riaa to find that same information.
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post #11 of 34
6/29/03 at 9:37am
However, it might be a good idea to avoid the n°1 target of the RIAA these days: Kazaa. I have the impression that most, if not all, of the cases filed against innocent teens these days (by the RIAA) are because of Kazaa-related "abuse".
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post #12 of 34
6/29/03 at 9:41am
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Originally posted by der Kopf
However, it might be a good idea to avoid the n°1 target of the RIAA these days: Kazaa. I have the impression that most, if not all, of the cases filed against innocent teens these days (by the RIAA) are because of Kazaa-related "abuse".

As I've said before.. KaZaA sux. There are safer methods of file-sharing... DC being one of them. ^_^
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post #13 of 34
6/29/03 at 11:49am
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Originally posted by Proud iBook Owner 2k2
As I've said before.. KaZaA sux. There are safer methods of file-sharing... DC being one of them. ^_^

I agree on Kazaa, and I can understand that you're hard-pimping DC (I've enjoyed your hub very much, thank you), the issue is that DC, as Usenet (and Carracho, ...) for example, is more a question of offer than it is one of demand: you'll get what others have, not necessarily what you came looking for. If you're hard pressed to find whatever it is you're looking for, you'll have to resort to the Kazaa-Gnutella-Napster like networks of your choice. If you're casually walking around, hoping merely to get something good, though unsure as to what that good thing will be, DC, Usenet, Carracho are your thing. Personally, I'm most always to be found on one of the latter. Only one actually. Usenet. I love it.
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post #14 of 34
6/29/03 at 12:41pm
kazaa is god for selection...you simply can't beat it and i dont think there are any discrepencies about that (well perhaps about how i butchered that word)

DC is good...its kinda like a modern carraho is how i'd put it (wish it had user agreements, because although i'm not completely sure they do anything but i feel safer with them)
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post #15 of 34
6/29/03 at 3:06pm
http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/F...eSharing4.html

lmdonkey is pretty slick... run it as a daemon and then access it through your web browser (127.0.0.1:4080) kinda like cups. It REALLY needs more mac users, though. I'm trying to find a backup of a recent developer prerelease of a certain Unix-based mac os, and while it's there, I've yet to be able to obtain the backup.

(Fortunately, as an mac developer, I have the CD's that Apple distributed at WWDC 2003, but that back-up sure would be nice!)
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post #16 of 34
6/29/03 at 3:46pm
If you like Kazaa, use it.



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post #17 of 34
6/29/03 at 4:04pm
I forgot to mention BitTorrent. Now there's one p2p that will give you good karma, at least as much as is possible in an essentially thieving enterprise. Downloaded some certain large files recently at 280 kB a pop (yep, a full image in about 30 minutes). Hard to top that in the p2p realm.
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post #18 of 34
6/29/03 at 4:07pm
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Originally posted by serrano
If you like Kazaa, use it.

I'd very much like to, but I have not been able to connect yet (despite your tips on how to make it work).
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post #19 of 34
6/29/03 at 4:11pm
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Originally posted by der Kopf
I forgot to mention BitTorrent. Now there's one p2p that will give you good karma, at least as much as is possible in an essentially thieving enterprise. Downloaded some certain large files recently at 280 kB a pop (yep, a full image in about 30 minutes). Hard to top that in the p2p realm.

Well with BT it all depends how many people are seeding the file and for how long. What it does is take all the bandwidth and combine it. Sort of like what the Gnetuella Network does.... I occasionally use BT to download anime.... but it's usually my last resort. I dislike it because no matter what it uploads to someone else. It's known as a swarming p2p app. I use it overnight because uploads really kill my bandwidth as I only have ADSL.
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post #20 of 34
6/29/03 at 4:17pm
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Originally posted by Proud iBook Owner 2k2
uploads really kill my bandwidth as I only have ADSL.

I know, that's the one downside of the thing (having BitTorrent run full blast effectively slows my regular traffic to less than a trickle), though I do have a kind of fix for that problem: CarraFix, which allows you to cap the upload (and download) bandwidth for specific ports. It works quite well actually. If I want to run BitTorrent and still get on the 'net, I put a CarraFix cap on BitTorrent (ports 6881-6889) to about 4 KB/s (I should have about 16 KB/s upload), and all is pretty useable. True though, the 280 KB is more an exception than a rule (I have downloaded other several-100 MB files at 3-4 KB/s). I prefer Usenet (my ISP has a pretty good service to the alt.binaries tree).
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post #21 of 34
6/29/03 at 4:19pm
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Originally posted by der Kopf
I agree on Kazaa, and I can understand that you're hard-pimping DC (I've enjoyed your hub very much, thank you), the issue is that DC, as Usenet (and Carracho, ...) for example, is more a question of offer than it is one of demand: you'll get what others have, not necessarily what you came looking for. If you're hard pressed to find whatever it is you're looking for, you'll have to resort to the Kazaa-Gnutella-Napster like networks of your choice. If you're casually walking around, hoping merely to get something good, though unsure as to what that good thing will be, DC, Usenet, Carracho are your thing. Personally, I'm most always to be found on one of the latter. Only one actually. Usenet. I love it.

If you enjoyed my DC hub then you're gonna be happy to know that it's gonna be back up soon for longer intervals. As soon as I gather funds for a cheap PC I'm gonna install Mandrake Linux 9.1 and that machine is gonna act as my server machine. It's gonna be on 24/7 and it's gonna be awesome for other things too. So good things are soon to come for my DC hub.
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post #22 of 34
7/1/03 at 4:17pm
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ha ha ha

take that suckers

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/interne....ap/index.html

and so the hydra splits again.
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post #23 of 34
7/1/03 at 4:53pm
Direct connect seems like it should be teh win, what with 6 petabytes of data, but I never have any luck with it....slow users, not much selection(surprisingly)

I wish you could download folders as one piece, instead of all the contents simaltaneously.
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post #24 of 34
7/1/03 at 6:17pm
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Direct connect seems like it should be teh win, what with 6 petabytes of data, but I never have any luck with it....slow users, not much selection(surprisingly)

I wish you could download folders as one piece, instead of all the contents simaltaneously.

You CAN download folders at a time. If a folder comes up in a search then control click it and select download.. Or.. double click the item and it'll download the person's list. then click the folder in question and click the download button at the top of the window. PM or e-mail me for further details.
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post #25 of 34
7/1/03 at 6:27pm
would 30gb be a good amount for sharing on DC these days?
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post #26 of 34
7/1/03 at 6:29pm
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would 30gb be a good amount for sharing on DC these days?

Yeah. But some hubs make you share more believe it or not. If you're lucky the bots that control that may over look the Mac OS X client and you can stay until an op kicks you..... That's what I do very often.
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post #27 of 34
7/1/03 at 6:45pm
i saw one that said 100gb minimum..absolutely insane!
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7/1/03 at 6:52pm
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i saw one that said 100gb minimum..absolutely insane!

Tell me about it!
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post #29 of 34
7/2/03 at 4:22am
Those are precisely the sort of people the RIAA are going after.
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post #30 of 34
7/2/03 at 7:16am
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Those are precisely the sort of people the RIAA are going after.

Heh yeah. But I don't think they're gonna target Direct Connect users.. I don't think they know about it...
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post #31 of 34
7/2/03 at 8:19am
what about kazaa on VPC? Doesn't that work?
at least it shouldn't require much cpu speed, so you would think it would run at acceptable speed.

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post #32 of 34
7/2/03 at 8:21am
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Originally posted by svin
what about kazaa on VPC? Doesn't that work?
at least it shouldn't require much cpu speed, so you would think it would run at acceptable speed.

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If I were you I wouldn't mess with KaZaA right now... The RIAA is actively searching ppl that download music on it...
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7/2/03 at 11:39am
Wamnet?
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7/2/03 at 12:25pm
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Wamnet?

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