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post #161 of 874
i will probably buy it after it comes out
post #162 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by costique
Could they mean 2 CPUs, that is, 2 x 48W? At least, that's what I thought remembering IBM's estimate of 42W @ 1.8 GHz. Does anybody know for sure?

Good point and this might be true - the numbers seem to fit. However, I do have my doubts about an pre-release marketing document.

The EEtimes article said the following, "Such computing power, however, comes with a price in terms of heat dissipation. Each G5 dissipates 97 watts, which generates so much heat that Apple had to design a new enclosure with four independently controlled thermal zones, each with its own fan." There is some room for uncertainty, but since they talk about the enclosure for the G5, I would thing the above sentence references the processor itself and not the unit as a whole.

It will be interesting to see when someone get's their hands on one and measure the power consumption and heat rise. But for now, my bets are on the 97 watts per processor.
post #163 of 874
although it would be cool to own one, what ever that may be, the towers offer much more power/expandibility, and that's where my heart is.

granted, I could see in the future, as electronic parts become smaller, that portables could catch up with desktops in speed/exp. but that may be a while.

THAT WILL BE A WHILE.
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post #164 of 874
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Originally posted by Rhumgod
I know Power Management is getting a workover for Panther, but I wonder if this is a reason why? Voltage stepdown (and thus heat) when in low power mode.

Rhumgod: What details do you have on improvements to power management in Panther? Power management has been a sore issue in Mac OS X. Even though power management improved from 10.0 to 10.2, it's still nowhere near as good as it was in 9.x.

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post #165 of 874
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Originally posted by Escher
Rhumgod: What details do you have on improvements to power management in Panther? Power management has been a sore issue in Mac OS X. Even though power management improved from 10.0 to 10.2, it's still nowhere near as good as it was in 9.x.

Escher

Nothing detailed, other than what is publicly available here.

That, with the additional fan support required by the Power Mac G5 and Apple stating that the OS will control up to 9 fans in the beastie in the 4 different zones. They gotta be modifying Power Management functions to do that.

BTW, the 17" PowerBook (and 12" and 15" as well) supports processor speed and voltage stepping already.
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post #166 of 874
Ya I think ther are a lot more people who will definetly purchase and upgraded 15 in powerbook. Don't Buy a Centrino Dell Inspirion. Yucky! As someone stated on this thread before apple is sitting a crapload of people who HAVE the money and WANT to BUY one of there produts. I think the new specs will be impressive, why else would apple have delayed and update for soo long? I'll bet thet did redeign themotherboard for a new faster G4 chip or perhaps a toned down G5 (crossing fingers) however unlikly. I think we will see it in just a few weeks, maybe at the creative expo maybe just some random TUE or MON for that matter. Just like someone welse said Steve has to let the Powerbmac G5 have its day first. With this new 15in apple will cash in on back to school college kids. Heck I already am comitted to spending 2 and a half grand on whatever they woill sell me. Heres to an updated powerbook next week....or the week after.
post #167 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by costique
Hmmm. I find it reasonable to rename the thread to "No PowerBooks Tomorrow".
Could they mean 2 CPUs, that is, 2 x 48W? At least, that's what I thought remembering IBM's estimate of 42W @ 1.8 GHz. Does anybody know for sure?

I would rather bet the opposite...since no one has really had them in hand yet (other than those at WWDC labs) to test on, I would go by IBM's reference material and say close to 48W.

Our friends at MacBidouille seem to think IBM got some chips to sample as high as 3.2GHz @ 82W. But I don't put much faith in them, these days...
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post #168 of 874
Man, 164W for a dual 3 giger. Wonder if there is enough room in the case for a small AC unit?
post #169 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by TAZ
Man, 164W for a dual 3 giger. Wonder if there is enough room in the case for a small AC unit?

Nah, that would make it even hotter!

Probably an external unit, or a liquid cooler inside.
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post #170 of 874
Isn't there some way to get a clue about the shipment of new powerbooks? Is someone printing new brochures? Can we check something about the Taiwan manufacturer via the net? Anything?
The Apple Store shows the 15" Ti book shipping in 7-10 days but it has been that way for a while.
Any resellers showing the 15" Ti book EOL?
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post #171 of 874
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Originally posted by neutrino23
Isn't there some way to get a clue about the shipment of new powerbooks? Is someone printing new brochures? Can we check something about the Taiwan manufacturer via the net? Anything?
The Apple Store shows the 15" Ti book shipping in 7-10 days but it has been that way for a while.
Any resellers showing the 15" Ti book EOL?

Good questions...anyone...anyone...Bueller? ...Bueller?
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post #172 of 874
It's times like these that I wish I knew someone at Chiat/Day (or whatever their name is). If there IS a new 15" aluminum PowerBook coming in the near future, chances are the print campaign, "beauty shots", in-store posters/displays, etc. have already been created for it.

I'd offer my buddy on the inside a steak dinner or something if he'd just answer three questions for me (yes or no, no less!):

1. New aluminum 15" PowerBook with 12"/17" feature set by the end of September?

2. Price staying at the current numbers? ($1999 and $2599)

3. G4-based? (a gimme, I know... )

I wouldn't even want to know anything beyond. With just those three questions asked, I could simply nail my budget even tighter and know exactly WHEN and HOW MUCH I'll be forking out. And, knowing it's a G4, I'll know it'll be another 6-9 (possibly longer?) months before any serious notion of a G5 PowerBook is on deck.

I'd be happy just knowing those three things. Hell, I'll settle for the first two because you KNOW it's going to be a G4 at the very least, possibly even that newer version we've talked about lately. Anything else will only be a pleasant surprise that I don't HAVE to know about right now.

post #173 of 874
Apple have been regularly releasing new powerbooks every 6 months for a couple of years. the new laptop is late!! i agree with the people who think the holdup is purely Apple getting access to a mobile processor faster than 1GHz G4. I'm hoping for a G5 powerbook, not a speedbump G4, for a few reasons:

Quote:
Originally posted by Rhumgod
Thinking back to the MPF in Oct 2002, IBM did state the following numbers for the PowerPC 970:
Typical Power Dissipation:
19W @ 1.2 GHz, 1.1v
So why do you think they included a 1.2GHz, low voltage and wattage measurement? It screams of PowerBook use!

1. I also think the low voltage G5 chip seems perfect. The present TiBook chip is Apollo 1GHz 7455 which typically dissipates about 20W of heat. so a G5@1.2 1.1V seems about the same (19W).

2. The 7457- low power Apollo chip is also 0.13micron SOI 1.3GHz. But is Moto supplying them yet- must be close?

So if apple can access either/both of these faster chips what would you think they would do? They might do what they have done with the powermacs - do both ! a G5 high end OS X only and a G4 low end dual boot (or maybe keep that for the iBook).

3. Intel have brought out the centrino chipset since Apple's last laptop release. have you seen the specs? they are 1.2 to 1.8GHz 0.13micron SOI - improved battery life and wireless networking. if Apple only bring out a speed bumped G4 then i think they will be viewed as pretty much the same as a Centrino. yawn. no world's fastest, jump in market share or 'year of the laptop' bid there.

4. i think Apple want the mantle of world's fastest desktop and laptop. Panther will be 64-bit soon. the Powerbook team at Apple have had since January to make a G5 laptop. Steve doesn't settle for second best! i would think he'd be pretty disappointed if Apple didn't have a G5 laptop ready to announce by July 16 9.30am.

i hope i'm right
post #174 of 874
I'll eat my hat.
post #175 of 874
While the power consumption of the 970 at 1.2Ghz seems low enough for a laptop, does anyone know the likely power consumption of the rest of the components needed to allow a 970 to run at 1.2GHz?

Might significant battery budget and heat management problems lie with the system controller, graphics chip set or the memory?
post #176 of 874
Please remember that the 19 W that everyone talks about is from a prelease marketing document that was created almost 9 months ago.

The EEtimes is reporting that a G5 ( presumably the 2 GHz version ) is running at 97 Watts. The marketing document reported that the 1.8 GHz version would run at 42 watts.

If the EETimes article is to believed ( and they are an industry mag that is usually very accurate ) then the G5 is running quite a bit higher than predicted.

MacBiduiolle ( sp ) is reporting lower numbers ( actually lower numbers on parts that were never released). However, their reliability is questionable.

There's gotta be some reason for 9 fans! And it's not just noise - 0 fans are really quiet and THAT obviously wasn't an option.
post #177 of 874
Why are we harping on G5 PowerBooks? Let's get realistic. The next PowerBook out the gate will have the G4. Put a stop to all this wishful G5 speculation, because it isn't going to happen in the short term. Get a grip!
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post #178 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by DHagan4755
Why are we harping on G5 PowerBooks? Let's get realistic. The next PowerBook out the gate will have the G4. Put a stop to all this wishful G5 speculation, because it isn't going to happen in the short term. Get a grip!

A new 15.4" G4 Al PB would be fine with me. I just want it to come out already. I'm dying of information death over here. Not even an absurd story about someone drinking frozen Stoli with a friend of a friend who has a cousin who sweeps floors at Apple and has some inside information about the release date. Not even any amusing P'shopped blurry images of the new PB at SpyMac. Where is Kormac77?
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post #179 of 874
Kormac is out testing his 22" PBHD.
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post #180 of 874
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Originally posted by pscates
I'll eat my hat.

I'm afraid the betting around here starts a bit higher than your hat... or is that a bit lower?

Hmmm... I suppose it starts out lower, and then it's higher when you've gotten yourself into the right position...

Let's just say the betting around here starts a little bolder than your hat.
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post #181 of 874
I'll eat my arm.
post #182 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by chazmox
Please remember that the 19 W that everyone talks about is from a prelease marketing document that was created almost 9 months ago.

The EEtimes is reporting that a G5 ( presumably the 2 GHz version ) is running at 97 Watts. The marketing document reported that the 1.8 GHz version would run at 42 watts.

If the EETimes article is to believed ( and they are an industry mag that is usually very accurate ) then the G5 is running quite a bit higher than predicted.

MacBiduiolle ( sp ) is reporting lower numbers ( actually lower numbers on parts that were never released). However, their reliability is questionable.

There's gotta be some reason for 9 fans! And it's not just noise - 0 fans are really quiet and THAT obviously wasn't an option.

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97 happens to be not far off 42*2. 48.5*2=97, and 48.5 is a logical extrapolation of power consumption for 1 2ghz 970. The Dual system probably does indeed run at 97 watts... total for 2 processors. I don't see why the prerelease IBM documents are not to be believed. It seems a little odd that IBM would predict one thing, and then ship the final product dissipating over twice the heat, considering everything in them was either spot on, or even slightly pessimistic. The 1.2ghz G5 IS an option. The question is really whether the accompanying architecture is too power hungry, and too inflexible for a portable system. There are also marketing issues as discussed earlier. It could end up being Apple's only option. The 1.2ghz G5 exists NOW. Who can say that about a 1.2ghz 7457?
post #183 of 874
HELLO

Fcuking stupid people. Tomorrow is sunday. Apple will NOT release anything on a SUNDAY.

How the hell did this thread become fcuking 5 pages long?
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post #184 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by Anders
HELLO

Fcuking stupid people. Tomorrow is sunday. Apple will NOT release anything on a SUNDAY.

How the hell did this thread become fcuking 5 pages long?

Yeah, but the beauty of the thread title is that at some point, it'll be correct!
post #185 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by Anders
HELLO

Fcuking stupid people. Tomorrow is sunday. Apple will NOT release anything on a SUNDAY.

How the hell did this thread become fcuking 5 pages long?

HEY THERE!

If you had read all of the discussion (which I can understand most people skimming through), this thread became FIVE pages because people latched onto the hope that new PowerBooks were coming. Soulcrusher's "tomorrow" proclomation was a week ago Sunday. Obviously nothing new has appeared.

Positive signs that a new PowerBook is imminent is two-fold:
  • People who have ordered a 12-inch or 15-inch PowerBook last week were told that their ordered was "unexpectedly delayed" until July 7th or 8th
  • Indeed, Apple's Store shows the 1 GHz SuperDrive PowerBook shipping status at 7 to 10 days; a common precursor to new products.

Now, these questions arise:
  • Will the new PowerBook(s) make their appearance Monday or Tuesday of this week? Or will they show up at the Creative Expo in New York on Wed. 7/16/03?
  • What will be updated? The current 867 TiBook still shows a "Same Day" shipping status which is peculiar. Does this mean Apple actually has a supply problem with the SuperDrive Ti? Or does it mean that Apple will keep the 867 Ti around since it's still OS 9 bootable Ã* la the Power Mac G4 1.25 towers?
  • If Apple has a supply problem with the Ti Book, it would have to be a shortage of 512 MB memory since all of the other components are available to the other models.
  • What happens to the 17-inch PowerBook? Arguably, the 17-inch would inheret any of the new 15-inchers features, like a faster processor. Yet, it's still shipping "Same Day."
  • Could the current 17-inch come down in price while a new higher end 17-inch is introduced? Could the 15-inch be going away (as I have speculated)?

All these questions. Little, if any, answers. Hopefully we will soon get the low-down on what's up with Apple's pro portables, because they surely are due for an upgrade (all of them)...
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post #186 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by Anders
HELLO

Fcuking stupid people. Tomorrow is sunday. Apple will NOT release anything on a SUNDAY.

How the hell did this thread become fcuking 5 pages long?

You tell me.
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post #187 of 874
As to whether multiple models will be updated at once or whether there will be a staggered release, Apple might announce more than one machine at once but they will be available at different times. Even when Apple announces new products (not upgrades) the releases are staggered. Remember 12" and 17" PB, the different speed models of iMacs, the different speed models of G5.


They could easily update just the 15" PB and then a couple of months later update the 17". If the difference is just a speed bump of 0.25GHz or so that shouldn't hurt sales too much for the two or three months it takes to upgrade the 17".

The 12" PB is in a different category so the 15" PB could easily be updated independently of an upgrade to that PB.
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post #188 of 874
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All these questions. Little, if any, answers. Hopefully we will soon get the low-down on what's up with Apple's pro portables, because they surely are due for an upgrade (all of them)...

Indeed.... I'm getting a bit ansy myself... I feel left in the dark...
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post #189 of 874
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Originally posted by satchmo
Yeah, but the beauty of the thread title is that at some point, it'll be correct!

A broken clock is right twice a day
post #190 of 874
7-10 days shipping for all iPods, as well as the 1GHz 15" PB. We know they're coming - come quickly!
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post #191 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by NEMESIS
A broken clock is right twice a day

Chill, it's called levity.
post #192 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by G5power
1. I also think the low voltage G5 chip seems perfect. The present TiBook chip is Apollo 1GHz 7455 which typically dissipates about 20W of heat. so a G5@1.2 1.1V seems about the same (19W).

2. The 7457- low power Apollo chip is also 0.13micron SOI 1.3GHz. But is Moto supplying them yet- must be close?

So if apple can access either/both of these faster chips what would you think they would do?

I'm betting they'll play safe and produce dual processor powerbooks featuring... one of each. A G54 powerbook... now how does that sound?
post #193 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by satchmo
Chill, it's called levity.

I know. I've just always wanted to use that saying. No malice intended. Peace. I want a powerbook.
post #194 of 874
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out brief candle
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
post #195 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by Marcus
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out brief candle
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

Macbeth?
post #196 of 874
Don't go gettin' all uppity, quotin' that Billy spear-shaker fella. He used an iBook anyway, so what does he know?
post #197 of 874
I guess he, too, is awaiting to upgrade his ibook to the new 15-inch PowerBook
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post #198 of 874
What's with the 7-10 day shipping on the iPods?
post #199 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by TWinbrook46636
What's with the 7-10 day shipping on the iPods?

high demand?
post #200 of 874
Quote:
Originally posted by NEMESIS
Macbeth?

Indeed.
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